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Thread: NBT/CIC/CCC retrofit in E39/E38/E53

  1. #1951
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    Getting closer to installation into both my E38 and E70. Still wondering though on the E38, if I obtained a DVD changer from an E70 that is MOST BUS and since the controller of the MOST BUS is the NBT, would a MOST DVD Changer be able to be added to the E38? Likewise I wonder if a MOST DSP amp from say an E70 would be able to be used instead of the E38's original DSP amp.

    I think these two things would make this even a more seamless installation.

    Thoughts?
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    Hi guys thought this might be helpful for those that have dsp and navcoder that need settings change


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    Do you guys know how to directly connect to the NBT EVO via E-Sys? I have the Ethernet cable wired to the OABR port, but have never used E-Sys before, and carsystems.com.au are helping me resolve my issues.

    Many thanks for any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPToadstool View Post
    Do you guys know how to directly connect to the NBT EVO via E-Sys? I have the Ethernet cable wired to the OABR port, but have never used E-Sys before, and carsystems.com.au are helping me resolve my issues.

    Many thanks for any help.
    once esys and esys launcher are installer, click on the connect button on the top left, then select connect via gateway url:
    tcp://169.254.199.99:6801

    and it'll connect

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjsanj View Post
    once esys and esys launcher are installer, click on the connect button on the top left, then select connect via gateway url:
    tcp://169.254.199.99:6801

    and it'll connect
    Perfect, I'll give it a go. Thanks for your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjsanj View Post
    once esys and esys launcher are installer, click on the connect button on the top left, then select connect via gateway url:
    tcp://169.254.199.99:6801

    and it'll connect
    Managed to extract the .ncd file to send to CarSystems using the gateway url. Was attempting to try a bit of coding, just changing to startup emblem to check everything works, but I cannot code the changes due to missing the FA. I've tried creating a new FA using options listed on the VIN decoder for the donor NBT-EVO, but it fails to activate saying "No FP could be generate from FA". Any ideas as to how I proceed?

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    I might be getting a smashed 2012 X5 from auction, the idrive system in that should work for this application correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN2K740i View Post
    I might be getting a smashed 2012 X5 from auction, the idrive system in that should work for this application correct?
    No.
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    Wanted to give something back. Have been trying to program with E-Sys and came across issues with the FA being missing. This was my method for getting to a working status on the coding front. It may be simplistic, but wanted to help out those that are new to this.

    • Download E-Sys from one of the forums, following the instructions, and adding the psdzdata files (ensuring all of them have the odx and distilled directories as per the install guides).
    • Open connection using connect button in toolbar, select connection via gateway URL, enter address: tcp://169.254.199.99:6801 (Thanks sanjsanj). Choose one of the TargetSelector without _DIRECT at the end. Don't worry about the optional bit at the bottom. Choose connect.
    • It'll likely come up with some errors about unable to read FA. Most boxes just click cancel, but the one asking you to select I-Step parameters, just click ok even though it's blank. Should now be connected after one more warning message.
    • Go to comfort mode on left > FSC > Check FSC status. At the top of this, you should see the donor vehicles VIN. Head to a BMW VIN decoder website, and type in the last 7 digits.
    • Back to E-Sys, click Editors & Viewers > FA-Editor. Click the new file button next to the connect. Everything with a red X next to it needs completing using data from the VIN decoder. These are the translations you'll need to complete:
      Vinlong - Enter your full VIN from the donor unit here.
      Entwicklungsbaureihe - Enter the model series here, (i.e. F010 for F10).
      Lackcode - Enter the colour code with a leading 0 if necessary (i.e. 0475)
      Polstercode - Enter the upholstery code (i.e. LCSW)
      Typschlüssel - Enter the BMW production code / Type code (i.e. XG55)
      Zeitkriterium - Enter the build date of the car as MMYY, this can only be March or November, otherwise it'll fail to build an FP. (i.e. 1012 for October 2012 becomes 1112 for November 2012).
      E-Wort - Not sure if this is necessary, but I added B080 here for battery information.
      SALAPA-Element - This is where all the car options go, disregarding the leading S if it has one. Easiest way to do this is right click SALAPA-Element, choose edit, and then add each code with a comma between, no spaces. Use ctrl+enter to save the list. I added option 609 and 6NK to be safe.
      Click the save button up top.
      Right click the FA name and choose "calculate FP". If you've done everything correct, a vehicle profile should load up on the right. If you have errors, the field with the error will be listed in a box after it fails. Take note and edit the data so it is correct (had this issue with the build date).
    • Go to Expert Mode > Coding. Load the Vehicle Order from the FA file you created. Right click the FA, and select "Activate FA".
    • Select Read(ECU). It should then list your HU_NBT or HU_NBT2. From here, you should be able to follow the normal steps from tutorials online. I'd suggest making a backup of your first .ncd file (this contains all the coding parameters), and saving it to a directory that's safe. This way, if you mess up, you have a backup to revert fully back to. You can also use TokenMaster's NcdCafdTool to compare the changes you've made to your original if you don't want to entirely revert.
    • Always keep engine running / battery charger connected when coding. I was using an insufficient trickle charger, and after coding I lost audio and the display kept flashing. Once it was charged, everything worked as normal.
    • Startup_emblem is a quick easy one to change to ensure it's working fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theshafro View Post
    No.
    Damn it.....What's the difference? Does it have to come out of a 7 series or something?
    2000 740i - 149K - Dville Monsoon rear deck speaker upgrade, GROM audio Bluetooth
    1998 528i - 204K - GROM audio Bluetooth setup, Drilled/Slotted Rotors, BSW Stage One speaker kit, Facelift Xenon's with Angel Eyes
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN2K740i View Post
    Damn it.....What's the difference? Does it have to come out of a 7 series or something?
    2012 E70 would still be CIC and not an NBT or NBT Evo.
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    I see.....So what exactly am I looking for? At least if I get stuck with the X5 there's plenty of good parts to sell off and make back lol
    2000 740i - 149K - Dville Monsoon rear deck speaker upgrade, GROM audio Bluetooth
    1998 528i - 204K - GROM audio Bluetooth setup, Drilled/Slotted Rotors, BSW Stage One speaker kit, Facelift Xenon's with Angel Eyes
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    My clock and date settings are always blank (--:--) in my nbt. I have the setting set to automatically update but even when I try to enter manually the settings wont stick. Is there something That i need to code to fix this becuase I thought the firmware update should have taken care of this. Could this be because I dont have the time and date set by the mid in the car(cluster)? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou81 View Post
    My clock and date settings are always blank (--:--) in my nbt. I have the setting set to automatically update but even when I try to enter manually the settings wont stick. Is there something That i need to code to fix this becuase I thought the firmware update should have taken care of this. Could this be because I dont have the time and date set by the mid in the car(cluster)? Thanks
    Nbt needs the gateway_table set to 5.

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    I believe this is correct. Is there anything else I can check for clues

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou81 View Post
    IMG_1328.jpgIMG_1331.jpg
    I believe this is correct I even made sure the kombi was set to low. What else could this be?
    Could be that you have old firmware on your carsystems adapter.

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    530i 6-speed swap build thread

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    Guys - does the carsystems adapter need the dsp coding for midbasis or will it just work?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pyro225 View Post
    Guys - does the carsystems adapter need the dsp coding for midbasis or will it just work?


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    There is no coding on the carsystems adapter. Only the dsp amp needs to be coded for mid_basis.

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    2003 "M5" - S62/420g swap, M5 diff, M5 driveshaft, M5 brakes, M5 Traction Bars, Eibach Sway Bars, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Custom Exhaust,
    BMW NBT Retrofit, M5 Gauge Cluster, Hella G4 Bi-Xenon Retrofit, M5 Extended Leather Interior Swap, APEX PS-7s, e60 Hubs, Koni Sports
    Coming Soon - M5 Bumpers
    530i 6-speed swap build thread

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    I believe you can code DSP via NCSExpert or Ista-P.....or find a used one with mid-basis as standard on non-nav version BMW
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    Hmm on the Range Rover ista and ncs do not work so coding is not possible I was hoping the carsystems adapter would send the wake signals... I have managed to get a non nav dsp but from an e39 so doesn't sound right but doesn't switch off again a problem as it can't be coded


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    I updated to version my carsystems emulator to 1.02.33 Is there anyway to know if the flash was good?
    Also my nbt shuts off randomly every now and again is anyone else having this problem
    Last edited by garou81; 04-22-2017 at 07:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou81 View Post
    I updated to version my carsystems emulator to 1.02.33 Is there anyway to know if the flash was good?
    Also my nbt shuts off randomly every now and again is anyone else having this problem
    I am having this issue, apparently to do with having an NBT-Evo with 2GB RAM natively and then being upgraded to ID5/ID6. Firmware update on the unit was meant to resolve this, but hasn't. I'm not currently happy with mine, it fails to track my car correctly, crashes a lot and the speed volume isn't working. Going to try and give Mick from Germanys a call tomorrow to chat about it.

    Out of curiosity, which version in which car do you have? And which issues are you having in comparison to me?

    I think, unless it has an error, assume it updated fine. I think it's more of a config file than a firmware update.
    Last edited by JPToadstool; 04-24-2017 at 02:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPToadstool View Post
    I am having this issue, apparently to do with having an NBT-Evo with 2GB RAM natively and then being upgraded to ID5/ID6. Firmware update on the unit was meant to resolve this, but hasn't. I'm not currently happy with mine, it fails to track my car correctly, crashes a lot and the speed volume isn't working. Going to try and give Mick from Germanys a call tomorrow to chat about it.

    Out of curiosity, which version in which car do you have? And which issues are you having in comparison to me?

    I think, unless it has an error, assume it updated fine. I think it's more of a config file than a firmware update.

    Im using the regular nbt with a revision 3 module in an 01 E39. Sometimes my navigation tracks poorly and sometimes it crashes. Please tell Mick to check his Pms here and on facebook. Im contacted carsystems and they are helping me out in a meaningful way. I will keep you posted on my results

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    The upgraded NBT-Evos are notorious for crashing, but they don't restart unless the engine is turned off and on again. A pain on journeys that make it unusuable. Hopefully the standard NBTs are a bit better. Carsystems I can't fault. I was considering seeking their other supplier in the U.K. for help (Cartronics in Surrey). Maybe they can help?

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    Call him and see if he picks up. Don't think he'll have his cell phone in jail

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