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Thread: NBT/CIC/CCC retrofit in E39/E38/E53

  1. #2126
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    Check and edit your coding......be sure to disable CIC features.....they're there and not sure why.....mostly Maps and HUD.
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    I managed to borrow an older cs adapter from someone - this infuriates me as i required the lot and it worked really well! No issues... so what's up with these new pieces of crap?


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    Let CS know and see what they say
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    I think I know what they will say - ship it out and we will ship you another but not confident now you say you've seen it a couple of times with newer boxes plus postage (again) back to Ukraine and import taxes (again) from Ukraine- is there somewhere that houses a range of firmwares so I can try a downgrade)


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    Also meant to say the new one doesn't have the ribbon cable with the red plug is that normal?


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    Not sure. I usually snip that cable off anyways
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    The ribbon cable is for the f series button panel to be retrofit. In our cars, we can't fit it.

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  8. #2133
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    Thanks - Paul why was the cable on the original emulator not on the new? It's on my br one too - can't this panel be just plugged into it?


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    Just a mass production thing, they make 100's of adapter using the same boards, etc.
    Major difference is the firmware
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    Quote Originally Posted by theshafro View Post
    Just a mass production thing, they make 100's of adapter using the same boards, etc.
    Major difference is the firmware
    Correct, you could get the adapter with either cable on the earlier adapters.

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    2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPToadstool View Post
    Wanted to give something back. Have been trying to program with E-Sys and came across issues with the FA being missing. This was my method for getting to a working status on the coding front. It may be simplistic, but wanted to help out those that are new to this.

    • Download E-Sys from one of the forums, following the instructions, and adding the psdzdata files (ensuring all of them have the odx and distilled directories as per the install guides).
    • Open connection using connect button in toolbar, select connection via gateway URL, enter address: tcp://169.254.199.99:6801 (Thanks sanjsanj). Choose one of the TargetSelector without _DIRECT at the end. Don't worry about the optional bit at the bottom. Choose connect.
    • It'll likely come up with some errors about unable to read FA. Most boxes just click cancel, but the one asking you to select I-Step parameters, just click ok even though it's blank. Should now be connected after one more warning message.
    • Go to comfort mode on left > FSC > Check FSC status. At the top of this, you should see the donor vehicles VIN. Head to a BMW VIN decoder website, and type in the last 7 digits.
    • Back to E-Sys, click Editors & Viewers > FA-Editor. Click the new file button next to the connect. Everything with a red X next to it needs completing using data from the VIN decoder. These are the translations you'll need to complete:
      Vinlong - Enter your full VIN from the donor unit here.
      Entwicklungsbaureihe - Enter the model series here, (i.e. F010 for F10).
      Lackcode - Enter the colour code with a leading 0 if necessary (i.e. 0475)
      Polstercode - Enter the upholstery code (i.e. LCSW)
      Typschlüssel - Enter the BMW production code / Type code (i.e. XG55)
      Zeitkriterium - Enter the build date of the car as MMYY, this can only be March or November, otherwise it'll fail to build an FP. (i.e. 1012 for October 2012 becomes 1112 for November 2012).
      E-Wort - Not sure if this is necessary, but I added B080 here for battery information.
      SALAPA-Element - This is where all the car options go, disregarding the leading S if it has one. Easiest way to do this is right click SALAPA-Element, choose edit, and then add each code with a comma between, no spaces. Use ctrl+enter to save the list. I added option 609 and 6NK to be safe.
      Click the save button up top.
      Right click the FA name and choose "calculate FP". If you've done everything correct, a vehicle profile should load up on the right. If you have errors, the field with the error will be listed in a box after it fails. Take note and edit the data so it is correct (had this issue with the build date).
    • Go to Expert Mode > Coding. Load the Vehicle Order from the FA file you created. Right click the FA, and select "Activate FA".
    • Select Read(ECU). It should then list your HU_NBT or HU_NBT2. From here, you should be able to follow the normal steps from tutorials online. I'd suggest making a backup of your first .ncd file (this contains all the coding parameters), and saving it to a directory that's safe. This way, if you mess up, you have a backup to revert fully back to. You can also use TokenMaster's NcdCafdTool to compare the changes you've made to your original if you don't want to entirely revert.
    • Always keep engine running / battery charger connected when coding. I was using an insufficient trickle charger, and after coding I lost audio and the display kept flashing. Once it was charged, everything worked as normal.
    • Startup_emblem is a quick easy one to change to ensure it's working fine.
    I was able to connect with Gateway tcp://169.254.199.99:6801 but I can reconnect anymore after Cody and Gracenote for USB . Any tips?

  12. #2137
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    Also, Paul - I tried your loose wire theory not sure if it's in the later firmware but the power wire only cuts the sound the display stays on so that's ruled out...


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    Ok - just so I am not that guy who says how things are fixed... unplugging the reverse cam on the new box is problem solved - in need to work out why but we are cooking on gas now - and touch wood all bit the camera is working!


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    Quote Originally Posted by pyro225 View Post
    Ok - just so I am not that guy who says how things are fixed... unplugging the reverse cam on the new box is problem solved - in need to work out why but we are cooking on gas now - and touch wood all bit the camera is working!


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    I want to understand this post, but I can't. Can you reword? Lol
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  15. #2140
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    Ahh yes auto correct basically saying I wanted to report back so anyone with future issues can see - try unplugging the two rca cables if you have issues like mine! I need to no look at what it doesn't like about it but that's a small problem


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    Quote Originally Posted by pyro225 View Post
    Ahh yes auto correct basically saying I wanted to report back so anyone with future issues can see - try unplugging the two rca cables if you have issues like mine! I need to no look at what it doesn't like about it but that's a small problem


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    Have you tried swapping the rca connections for the camera?

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    2003 "M5" - Full M5 conversion, AMG C63S 6 piston front calipers, Porsche Panamera 4 piston rear calipers, GC Coilovers,
    Eibach ARBs, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Borla Exhaust w/Muffler Delete, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto, Bi-Xenons, e38 Style 37 M-Pars, e60 Hubs 530i 6-speed swap build thread
    2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
    2006 Porsche Cayman S - Soul Performance Competition Headers and Exhaust, H&R Coilovers, 718 Boxster Spyder wheels, Rennline 35mm rear spacers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric02 View Post
    I was able to connect with Gateway tcp://169.254.199.99:6801 but I can reconnect anymore after Cody and Gracenote for USB . Any tips?
    What does it say when you try to reconnect? Can you connect via any other methods (i.e. Tool32)?

  18. #2143
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    No I haven't they are plugged in the same way as the old unit although now you say it they could have switched them on a newer batch - suppose it won't hurt!


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    Morning all - not a problem for once (I know right!) a question - I was wondering if the nbt retrofit caters for the rdc tpms system found in the x5 and earlier e39s with the pressure senders in the wheel? The reason I ask is I am tempted to retrofit this but my panel doesn't have room for the button but if this works I should be able to control it all through idrive so it wouldn't be an issue... thanks!


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    Bump ? Also would a gps antenna from and m4 work ok with this retrofit? My oem one works but is slow tracking I got an aftermarket one which jumps all over the place for about 2mins and then is really good would just like it right though


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    Quote Originally Posted by pyro225 View Post
    Bump ? Also would a gps antenna from and m4 work ok with this retrofit? My oem one works but is slow tracking I got an aftermarket one which jumps all over the place for about 2mins and then is really good would just like it right though

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    The E90 shark fin gps antenna works(as well as xm). I cant say how well it works because I didnt test it for very long and allow it to calibrate but I assume the m4 antenna results would be the same

    Does anyone know where to get hsd connectors and dacar cable outside of china!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackknight530i View Post
    Have you tried swapping the rca connections for the camera?

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    I had the same problem with the rear camera. I used a Pioneer ND-BC6... camera and replaced it with a cheap Chinese camera. With Pioneer was black screen and screen turns off after few minutes.
    So you just need new cheap camera!

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    Argh rant - it's all just switched off again how am I the only one with this problem - camera out as well - two boxes the same fault - rewired my whole loom same fault


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    Sounds super frustrating, wish I could help
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    so i have a question,retrofiting into 01 e38s using evo unit id5 or 6, should i use oem atm or atm emulator?

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