New England (official) Drag Race standings 2014

[Butters Stoch]

Also I wonder if they are tubed or tubeless.

We bought the 26x10x15 with tubes. All hoosier slicks can be ran with or without tubes. Now sure we will be able to fit them this.

[pbonsalb]

No 15s fit the rears. You have to be hardcore to go to 15s on an M3. The simpler approach is 255/50/16 on 16s. They fit. Other options are 245/45/17 and 275/40/17. All these tires are taller than stock and just as fat, and there is less room under the arch so you are fighting to fit. When you launch, you squat so the rub increases.

[e36ALPINE]

Yeah, now I'm just wondering if I'm prepared to break something on my car with drag radials on it. I'm not even sure I know how to baby it if I have traction. The only way I let off the gas now is if I'm spinning haha. My car has sat WAAAYYY more than it's been driven so it has been nice to drive it around. What are you guys putting down for power? pbonsalb - You run 15" wheels correct? Do you have a picture of how much you have to grind the caliper down? Have you dyno'd your car?

[pbonsalb]

I have not done a dyno since I built a short block and raised the boost 2-3 psi. I was at 560 rwhp SAE Dynojet. Probably fairly close to 600 now but I am not sure the GT35R will support that much. I want a bigger turbo. Maybe this winter. 650-700 rwhp on pump gas plus meth is the goal.

Stay on the street if you do not want to break anything. I broke nothing in 2-3 years on the street. On the dragstrip, I fused 2 clutches, broke 2 driveshafts, and broke one axle stub. If you want to put power to the ground off the line, you have to strengthen things. If you just want to spin your wheels and do highway pulls then the stock parts will hold maybe. 650 rwhp.

You just can't say your car does 120 or 125 or 130 or 135 or 140 in the quarter unless it does. Maybe you could get into VBOX 60-130 timing instead. Much easier on the car.

No pictures. Just run the 15s at the strip. We ground and test fitted and ground and test fitted. Best way. No grinding needed for 16s. Much easier.

[BobRoss]

Not an m/s5x but can i be on the list?

Last season
12.2 @ 116mph

e30-14-June-2012-1bar.jpg
http://youtu.be/dASSLlUP2-M


Hope to have an update next month. shooting for 120+ still on the stock m20 motor

[pbonsalb]

NY is even further out of the Bimmerforums New England section than CT. Butters is in charge of initiation. Maybe if you come up here and run in NH.

[BobRoss]

NY is even further out of the Bimmerforums New England section than CT. Butters is in charge of initiation. Maybe if you come up here and run in NH.

HA
I'll be at Lebanon Valley next week if that counts

[Butters Stoch]

Not an m/s5x but can i be on the list?

Last season
12.2 @ 116mph

<img src="http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=511360"/>
http://youtu.be/dASSLlUP2-M

Hope to have an update next month. shooting for 120+ still on the stock m20 motor

See in original post, we are only counting runs from 2014 and on.
But im more than happy to add you, but needs to be from 2014 and on. Sucks for me too, I had better runs last year when I was able to slip my clutch.

[BobRoss]

I understand.
I'll be sure to add my 2014 times as soon as they are available

[e36ALPINE]

So I've decided I will be running at Lebanon Dragway next wednesday. (Sorry fellow NEDers) It's just so much closer and more convenient (no traffic etc.) and I've heard it's in great shape. I will be running on my street tires so wish me luck! I'll be sure to get a video or two and some slips though! What's the best times you guys have achieved on a street tire? I'm sure it will be tough but hopefully I have full traction by 3rd gear and can really pick up on the big end. I'm also bringing my wife and kids so hopefully if everything goes well and they have fun I will be able to frequent the track from now on haha.

[Butters Stoch]

I wouldn't dare run on streets @ NED. Maybe that track is different.

[cj.surr]

If it's an asphalt track, he'll be fine. I was able to cut a faster 60ft on my nt01s on asphalt than your DRs on concrete.

Just watch out for wheel hop... it'll be worse getting stuck at the track when your family is with you.

[Butters Stoch]

I wise there were a roll race event around. Like @ a air strip.

[cj.surr]

Whenever I see those events pop up they are super expensive. Mostly cater to the supercar crowd.

[pbonsalb]

New best MPH and close to best ET of 11.69 at 134.54. Doubt the GT35R has much more in it for this full weight pump gas E36M3. Will try a bigger turbo next year, but I may miss the response.

[e36ALPINE]

Congrats man. Have you ever ran under a 2.0 for your 60'? Just curious I know I've heard some guys say theyve done it on drag radials just didn't know if NED will let you. So you're saying that's pretty much the result of a perfect run?

[pbonsalb]

I have run 1.8 a couple of times. Usually I am in the high 1.9 to low 2.0 range. I may start working on the launch, doing a burnout and using the handbrake. Not worrying about it is a little easier on the car do it has not been my focus. Chikinhed ran an 11.39 recently out west with a 2.0x sixty foot. You don't have to launch perfectly to have a pretty good ET if you consider low 11s to be pretty good (I do).

[cj.surr]

Phil it is interesting that your car seems to out-trap your ET. I wonder if it has to do with lag/making full boost in lower gears. I believe we both ran 11.9 that night with the same tires and gearing? 60ft the sameish? But you were about 9 or 10 mph faster.

I suppose it could also be due to the extra weight. At high speeds, wind resistance would affect my power-weight ratio more than yours.

Or maybe it's a combo of both.

[jbimflyer]

See in original post, we are only counting runs from 2014 and on.
But im more than happy to add you, but needs to be from 2014 and on. Sucks for me too, I had better runs last year when I was able to slip my clutch.

Can I be added to the List too, new for 2014:

[pbonsalb]

It is power. Not just peak power but power under the curve. Depending on the gear, you are at 4000 to 5000 after shifting. I have way more torque and horsepower than you in that range.

There are some drag cars that will run 11.0 at 110. They launch great but don't have the top end power. They would beat me to the end of the track even though my mph might be 20 faster.

- - - Updated - - -

Attached is my first slip in the 11s. I was running 15 psi at the time. Did an 1.817 sixty foot time, my best ever. Did that with the least power.

[Butters Stoch]

Track went well for me yesterday.
FINALLY I will repeat FINALLY getting the launch down with this clutch. Being able to rip off multiple 2.0 60s consistently.
also am ripped off 3 consecutive 12.1's back to back to back.
I loaded a new tune to put me in the 11s and unfortunately I was running low on fuel and the weather got a bit colder. So @ that point I was spinning. Its going to take more practice, I was still launching a bit on the light side but using the parking brake to preload the drivetrain. Launching @ roughly 3500. I will work my way up to launching @ 5000 and go for a 1.7-1.8 60. But it takes practice.

So 2 personal bests last night for me.
12.13 and 124.17

[cj.surr]

I don't believe that power under the curve is the only factor.

I can't see that slip, but I bet the quick ET was due to the good 60ft. .2s in the 60ft can equal .5s in the 1/4.

If we have the same 60ft, you should definitely be beating me to the 1/4 if you had a better power/weight ratio. Unless you were spinning after the 60ft on that good run.

[Butters Stoch]

I don't believe that power under the curve is the only factor.

I can't see that slip, but I bet the quick ET was due to the good 60ft. .2s in the 60ft can equal .5s in the 1/4.

If we have the same 60ft, you should definitely be beating me to the 1/4 if you had a better power/weight ratio. Unless you were spinning after the 60ft on that good run.

Phils car is also 3400+ pounds, you are a hell of alot lighter. That plays a massive factor.

[pbonsalb]

I have also read that 0.2 quicker in the 60' can result in 0.5 quicker in the quarter. But it is harder to launch with more power because you are more likely to break traction.

More power and better power to weight ratio (despite your lighter weight) is the main reason my MPH is so much higher even though our 60' and our 1/4 times are pretty close. We could both launch much better and have much lower times if we had the right equipment and drove well. But assuming those two parts of the equation are about equal, the car with more power will have more mph.

Some say that when ET is quicker, the MPH may be worse.

I have been doing this for only a couple of years and am just learning. An independent rear suspension manual trans car is the most challenging to launch consistently. I don't have any tricks. I rarely do a burnout. I don't have a two step. I just blip the gas a little, release the clutch pretty quickly, and push my foot to the floor over the span of a second or so. I am a very slow shifter. I'd like to work on the technique but every time I go I am excited and just let it rip. I need to get scientific about this and practice techniques.

I think a little more traction would help. Like 275/40/17 drag radials. The pros say slicks are better, but I think drag radials are easier to use and am inclined to keep trying them until I start breaking stuff again. I can break the 235/60/15 drag radials loose pretty easily off the line. 275/40/17 should be harder to break loose. Also harder on the drivetrain.

[jbimflyer]

Track went well for me yesterday.
FINALLY I will repeat FINALLY getting the launch down with this clutch. Being able to rip off multiple 2.0 60s consistently.
also am ripped off 3 consecutive 12.1's back to back to back.
I loaded a new tune to put me in the 11s and unfortunately I was running low on fuel and the weather got a bit colder. So @ that point I was spinning. Its going to take more practice, I was still launching a bit on the light side but using the parking brake to preload the drivetrain. Launching @ roughly 3500. I will work my way up to launching @ 5000 and go for a 1.7-1.8 60. But it takes practice.

So 2 personal bests last night for me.
12.13 and 124.17

Good stuff, Glad to hear you nailed the launch without incident.