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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenitramNaes View Post
    Small update. Got the diypnp running on the most current firmware 3.3.2 rather than the 3.2.5 it was running on. This offers a lot more options within tunerstudio and will let me also run an output test mode to see why my fuel relay isn't working correctly.

    You can see what exactly has been updated since the previous 3.2.x here, if you're interested.

    http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewto...p?f=91&t=52146
    I'm curious as to why you're keeping the AFM with Megasquirt. It should have inputs for a MAP sensor, which would eliminate the need to keep AFM and the TPS is simplified, plus you could run some boost control as well.

    Like I said, I'm just curious.
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    I think the firmware just supports the use of the AFM. I assure you, it was the first thing I took out.
    Last edited by ZenitramNaes; 01-05-2015 at 01:00 PM.

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    Tuning a car with an Air Flow Meter vs a MAP sensor is a much better option, providing the AFM isn't a restriction on the intake, and it is of a modern design unlike the original Vane AFM.

    It accurately measures air temp/density and amount, compared to a vacuum signal the MAP sensor provides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoney85 View Post
    Tuning a car with an Air Flow Meter vs a MAP sensor is a much better option, providing the AFM isn't a restriction on the intake, and it is of a modern design unlike the original Vane AFM.

    It accurately measures air temp/density and amount, compared to a vacuum signal the MAP sensor provides.
    It really sounds like you're talking about a MAF or MAS (Mass Air Flow / Mass Air Sensor) sensor, instead of a AFM (Air Flow Meter), if that's the case, then yes, the MAF is capable of much higher degree of accuracy than a MAP, up to a point. But the one thing a MAF doesn't measure is boost pressure. In this situation, with the BMW (Barn Door/Vane AFM) in front of the turbo, it has no way of measuring the increase in charge pressure, so it will go only as far as wide open throttle. The turbo will nail the AFM flap wide open as soon as it builds anything over atmospheric pressure. In a situation where a turbo is involved, it's probably very easy to start an ECU tune using a MAF, and then use a MAP sensor to alter the tune to compensate for boost pressure.

    My 525i Turbo has a MAF, (BMW Hot Wire MAF), and if the ECU/DME would support it, I would ditch the MAF in a heartbeat in favor of a MAP, simply because at present, once the intake pressure gets above atmospheric, the system just goes into wide open throttle mode, there are no ignition changes, and no fuel map adjustments. I'm relying on the rising rate fuel pressure regulator to "help" with fuel delivery, and it's a close thing at 7psi of boost. I've seen a M30B34 with a turbo, and Haltech ECU running a MAP sensor (3 bar GM MAP Sensor), and there was no throttle position sensor, no MAF/MAS/AFM or anything except the MAP, and I would have a hard time believing that there was anything more simple when it came to making that car run. It had the most rock-solid idle I've ever seen from an M30. The throttle response was much better with the MAP compared to the MAF on my car, and he had no problem adjusting the tune based on boost pressure readings from the MAP, up to about 17psi of boost.

    I've considered building a Megasquirt system for my 535i, and tuning it for non-turbo, just to be shed of that barn door AFM in favor of a MAP, so when I do commit to installing the turbo system still sitting in boxes, it'll be a simple process to adjust for boost, and I'll have the sequential injection, and coil pack figured out.
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    AFM/MAF, you know what I mean.

    I was going to explain further ESP with a turbo car, but left it at that.

    Any properly tuned car with a decent ECU will use a MAP sensor as a second fuel map behind the main mixture map.

    Knowing when vacuum and boost are playing a part really helps, particularly for idle maps and fuel saving areas in the map like when you're cruising.

    Just yesterday I finished tuning my RB26 with a plug in ViPec, no MAFs, and with a MAP sensor only, however it was tuned via TPS vs RPM as a multi throttle engine doesn't produce much vacuum anywhere.

    That's a whole other story again, can produce some great results though but requires a lot more setting up.
    I made 430hp at 17psi, turbos good for another 10psi, but being conservative for now until I'm ready to up the boost
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    What's the update!!!??
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    No updates really. Still struggling to figure out why my fuel relay isn't working correctly and also trying to figure out why my windshield wipers aren't working. I'm ordering everything I need for wasted spark tonight though.

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    Awesome. I hope you post details, info and pics of your wasted spark setup. I always wanted to understand it a bit more and how people initiate it on the analog m30
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    So I went to the yard yet again to find a GM DIS coil base plate. They are pretty easy to find, but there are two types and as far as I know you can make both work, however I went with the single plug style. I'll have to gut the electronics and modify it in reference to the post I linked below. The last one has some good information on wasted spark so I figured I'd post it for anyone unfamiliar with wasted spark.



    http://www.diyautoftw.com/showthread...tall-by-Brad-D.

    http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34200

    http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48306

    Here is an other link showing how to gut the GM DIS module.

    http://www.diyautotune.com/diysotm/diysotm_2009-12.html
    Last edited by ZenitramNaes; 10-02-2014 at 06:15 AM.

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    Gutted the GM DIS and soldered the connections in in accordance to the links I posted earlier. Also checked continuity before sealing the case back up with RTV.
    Will be ordering some MSD coils sometime next month. I'm also considering relocating the overflow tank for the coolant in order to place the coils above the engine. Any ideas on how to accomplish that? I remember reading though a DIY Mishimoto radiator install where he did something similar, I'll have to find that.





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    Fixed my wiper problem, ground on steering colum wasn't making good contact. But when I was running the engine today I could hear a very concerning sound from the bay. I'm hoping it's my alternator or some accessory bearing and not my engine.
    Last edited by ZenitramNaes; 10-07-2014 at 01:49 AM.

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    I can't remember who I was talking to about the coolant sensor resistance values, but these seem to be a lot more accurate than the ones I was using from the diyautotune website. With the bias resistor setting still at 2490 ohms

    Deg C Resistance (ohms)
    -15 12002
    30 1707
    100 187

    http://wiki.diyefi.co.uk/index.php?t...ark_Conversion

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    I think it was me- thanks- lll see what these values do.
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    So I ended up just grounding the fuel relay outside the MS box and it works fine. I'll just keep it like that until someone can offer an explanation to why the conventional way isn't working. Does anyone see a problem with that?

    Also, glad to report the noise I was hearing is in fact my water pump. I took off the belt to verify. This is a pretty sure case of failure huh? No way around it I suppose.

    Happy to note I picked up some mtech door seals at the junkyard today. It was starting to looking funny without them.

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    Since it's been a month plus just a small update to the car.
    Water pump was replaced a couple weeks ago. The power steering return hose decided to start leaking last week, so since then that has been replaced. Also finally got around to installing the UUC ssk I had laying around, much better feel.
    Just ordered everything to to get wasted spark running. Enjoying the rather chilly weather with k27.

    Last edited by ZenitramNaes; 12-02-2014 at 07:03 AM.

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    I got to the point today where I could have had the wasted spark running on the mega squirt. It's just that I don't have any room to put the coils. I could place them on the passenger wheel arch, but they sit their awkwardly. Ideally I want them over the engine, where the expansion tank is currently.

    So I'm asking if anyone has any idea where I could relocate an expansion tank and what plumbing to use. I'm not opposed to getting an aftermarket expansion tank, in fact, that's probably going to be my only option. I don't however want to buy a whole new radiator with a built in tank seeing how I just replaced mine a year and a half ago.

    Here are some photos of everything so far.

    Got the GM module all wired up so it connected directly to the db15 connector on the MS.


    Hard to tell, but added two more ignition drivers, all resistors needed, and all the jumpers to get wasted spark working.
    Last edited by ZenitramNaes; 12-09-2014 at 05:24 PM.

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    Here's a shock tower solution but it's probably not practical given that you have a turbo where the plug wires run.
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    That looks great and I love those guides for the spark wires, but yeah it's more of an issue with the mount I have for the coils. Long and rectangular, doesn't sit well on the rounded fender. I'm actually surprised I haven't seen your bay before, love those ITBs too.

    Also yes I don't want to cross the wires over the turbo piping and such.

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    One on the biggest obstacles for wasted spark was finding a spot for the coils. Fire wall I thought would be ideal, just like I've seen so many other people have done so relocating the overflow tank was necessary.

    I bought the Canton tank from Summit and all the hardware fittings for the coolant hoses I found at my local Home Depot.











    It's been running Wasted Spark for about 2 weeks and the idle is great. I don't think I had any spark issues at high boost to notice a difference there, but this will be good when I source a larger turbo. Hopefully I'll get around to uploading a video of it soon enough.
    Last edited by ZenitramNaes; 01-02-2015 at 01:34 PM.

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    Hah, Canton, nice.

    Go ahead and bite. Plenty for everyone.

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    Glad you found a solution!

    How about an overall shot of the engine bay as it stands?
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    I need to figure out something to do with the filter, don't like it being so close to the manifold.




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    what was your maf solution again. iat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by E38740iMD View Post
    what was your maf solution again. iat?
    Yep, exactly. You don't need a MAF with MS.

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    Experiencing some hesitation around 2k and some noises indicating that something must be wrong with the ignition system. I'm going to start by reducing my plug gap then I'll look into my timing map if problem persist.

    Also ordered a 71C thermostat in preparation for Florida Summer temps and for $9 on BMA, I can't see why I wouldn't.

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