Wow! these details should be added to the original post.. Awesome. Will test and confirm asap. Probably not tonight but definitely tomorrow.
I can't tell you how many java versions and browsers I've tried just to try to get wds to load just for those two wires..
So did you end up having to run a wire from the IKE or did you reuse one?
525i / Dinan Tune / Morimoto MH1 HID / BC Racing Coil-over
540i Dinan 5 / 6 Speed+M5 drivetrain / M5 HID / M5 Alcantara Interior
I think if the right version was ever installed it would remain working, however I don't seem to be able to get back far enough to the 1.6 series, or perhaps have a conflict with a newer version but I just get unsupported plugin in Firefox and chrome, opera, and constant warning/errors in ie on windows 7 ultimate which ultimately just bails.. No love in Linux land either. Have not tried on a Mac yet.
:/
525i / Dinan Tune / Morimoto MH1 HID / BC Racing Coil-over
540i Dinan 5 / 6 Speed+M5 drivetrain / M5 HID / M5 Alcantara Interior
Guys, the latest Firefox with the latest version of Java works fine if you add the www.bmw-planet.com domain to the safe site list in the Java security settings.
-Paul
2003 "M5" - Full M5 conversion, AMG C63S 6 piston front calipers, Porsche Panamera 4 piston rear calipers, GC Coilovers, Eibach ARBs, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Borla Exhaust w/Muffler Delete, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto, Bi-Xenons, e38 Style 37 M-Pars, e60 Hubs 530i 6-speed swap build thread2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Soul Performance Competition Headers and Exhaust, H&R Coilovers, 718 Boxster Spyder wheels, Rennline 35mm rear spacers
Wtf.. I should do less things at once.
*edit*
Well it seems to be specific to the security whitelisting, I'm now up and running.
Thanks guys. Now I have work to do..
Last edited by madhakish; 11-23-2015 at 10:47 PM.
525i / Dinan Tune / Morimoto MH1 HID / BC Racing Coil-over
540i Dinan 5 / 6 Speed+M5 drivetrain / M5 HID / M5 Alcantara Interior
I ended up discovering mine was built 9/97 so it was a later model than I'd expected.
RealOEM was giving me the wrong manufacturing date.
The steps in the original write up suited my car.
one of these days i'm going to be not-lazy and make an e39 wiki to store all this info on transmission swaps, NBT retrofits, etc.
that way as data comes in and stuff changes, it's always in one place with links to posts, instead of everyone needing to scan threads all the time
Looking for an e39 Touring black carpet set, including the rear cargo cubbies and side sections!
ALSO looking for 540i 6speed manual transmission sets (2001+ pedals with switches, driveshaft, gearbox), for the 6speed swap! Probably not for a while....
GN92489
540i msport touring; jet black on grey
Progress Thread (general)
Progress thread (touring specific)
Something like Wikia or PBWorks might be a good idea.
In any case, tidbits learned today:
Reverse switch on the 420G looks like a standard Bosch/AMP/Tyco Junior Power Timer
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...ch-wiring-info
https://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Sit...121/ES2608981/
Zionsville uses a 1/4" NPT for their auto trans cooler fitting.
Alrighty guys, first of all thanks a ton for the replies and help. Been working out the wiring in my head all day at work, and now I've been going over the WDS diagrams for the starter control system for 12/1995 - 03/1997 e39's (mines 01/1997) for manual vs. auto for the last few hours. I've compared auto vs. manuel, and pre vs. post facelift and I think I've got everything mapped out between old and new. I made some diagrams to help visualize and hopefully it helps others get a better idea of what this looks like.
There are a few differences between the e38 diagram posted earlier highlighting the pin re-route but I think I've got that straight in diagram #2 below. Posting here to check my work and make sure my wiring logic is correct.
Original wiring of a pre-facelift starter control. Modified from the WDS diagrams to include the ignition switch to better match the original e38 dme bypass diagrams.
540i pre-facelift 01-97 Original.png
Option #1 - DME bypass
Based off the DME bypass Strangedays used for pre-facelift, based off the original blackknight530i/Trevor's e38 guide post earlier. This removed the DME but leaves the relay in place.
Essentially Ignition switch pin 8 now supplies 12V to the relay instead of the gear indicator which supplies 12v in P/N only. Pin 4 is permanently grounded instead of switched by the DME.
540i pre-facelift 01-97 DME Bypass.png
Option #2 - Manual Factory for pre-facelift - per the original geargrinder write-up
540i pre-facelift 01-97 factory manual.png
This is essentially bypassing the DME altogether, and requires a heavy gauge wire from Ignition Pin 8 <-> EWS Pin 3 (auto's run an unswitched +12v to pin 3 on the EWS). Grounding EWS Pin 8, and shorting the wires at pin 6 and pin 2 of the relay effectively bridging EWS Pin1 to the starter directly removes both the DME and the Starter relay from the circuit.
Am I missing anything here or any glaring errors that can be seen?
I'm using the WDS diagrams: e39old/Drive/Engine/Starter Control/ and comparing start control of a manual against the start detection and start control automatic diagrams for 12/1995 - 01/1997 model years.
Last edited by madhakish; 11-24-2015 at 10:11 PM. Reason: Image formatting went haywire
525i / Dinan Tune / Morimoto MH1 HID / BC Racing Coil-over
540i Dinan 5 / 6 Speed+M5 drivetrain / M5 HID / M5 Alcantara Interior
Confirmed - found the starter relay in the ebox (not under the dash). DME bypass to starter relay trick will work splendidly. Will post a pick and first start video once complete.
It runs!!
Pre 03/1997 e39 starter relay IS in the ebox unlike other models where its behind the glovebox. It in the top bank of relays and dme fuses. This is not documented in the WDS or literally anywhere else. I had a hunch, but had to trace back wire 1 off the EWS to confirm.
Shorted pins 6 and 2 on the relay with key at pos 2 and it cranked and started right up! Now I just have to find the ignition wire off pin 8 in the ebox, splice it to 85, and ground 86 and its done!
Last edited by madhakish; 11-26-2015 at 12:19 AM.
525i / Dinan Tune / Morimoto MH1 HID / BC Racing Coil-over
540i Dinan 5 / 6 Speed+M5 drivetrain / M5 HID / M5 Alcantara Interior
That's great news!
She runs!! Wiring complete. Took her for a nice drive to celebrate.
FWIW There's an ignition wiring bank at the far left of the ebox where ignition connector X33 terminates all it's wiring.. I spliced the black/yellow ignition signal wire to the blue/black wire off the relay (previously gear indicator signal), and grounded the yellow/brown switched ground to the common ground in the ebox. Two splices was all that was required. This was the option 1 diagram I posted earlier and works like a charm.
525i / Dinan Tune / Morimoto MH1 HID / BC Racing Coil-over
540i Dinan 5 / 6 Speed+M5 drivetrain / M5 HID / M5 Alcantara Interior
That's excellent!
nice. I always like digging up the 'generic' parts equivalents.
Awesome man! Swaps FTW. When I did mine this was complete "mysteryland impossible massive work nobody will say how to do it" etc. and now its' becoming as well doc'd and straightforward as any swap could be.
2003 M3CicM6 TiAg
2002 540iT Sport Vortech S/C 6MT LSD TiAg
2008 Audi A3 2.0T DSG (the daily beater)
2014 BMW X1 xDrive28i (wifemobile)
Former:
1985 MB Euro graymarket 300SL
1995.5 Audi S6 Avant (utility/winter billetturbobattlewagen)
Everyone made it sound like voodoo, programming eeproms in German, in hex, etc.. Honestly the hardest part was locating all the wiring locations since nothing in the WDS or anywhere else notes the right location of the starter relay. Finding this thread and the dme bypass trick buried within was the last nugget and it was a whopper.
Seriously, 2 splices right there in the ebox and it was done. Awesome.
Getting the exhaust buttoned up with a new magnaflow res and dynomax muffler as I type.
525i / Dinan Tune / Morimoto MH1 HID / BC Racing Coil-over
540i Dinan 5 / 6 Speed+M5 drivetrain / M5 HID / M5 Alcantara Interior
I know right? There are older swaps running around that I know for a fact have crazy jury rigged weirdo wiring messes because it wasn't sorted out. Trevors super clean method is very very nice - my car is the 'facelift 540 factory style' because we basically just copied the WDS for facelift figuring that was the 'best way'... but honestly his is truly better way to do it.
2003 M3CicM6 TiAg
2002 540iT Sport Vortech S/C 6MT LSD TiAg
2008 Audi A3 2.0T DSG (the daily beater)
2014 BMW X1 xDrive28i (wifemobile)
Former:
1985 MB Euro graymarket 300SL
1995.5 Audi S6 Avant (utility/winter billetturbobattlewagen)
And also now that the cruise control can be functional with the 3:15 gears there really is no compromise anymore.
Trevor
01 749i sporty, build 12/00 "Sports Barge",S62
92 VW Corrado VR6,AAA
81 Delorean,B28F
81 VW Rabbit Pickup 1.8T,AWW
03 VW Passat wagon 4.0 W8 6spd
Moving to an m5 LSD next so this is very welcome news.
525i / Dinan Tune / Morimoto MH1 HID / BC Racing Coil-over
540i Dinan 5 / 6 Speed+M5 drivetrain / M5 HID / M5 Alcantara Interior
I couldn't live without cruise. Works great with my M5 LSD
2003 Ferrari Red M3 3.5L wagon // 2011 Montego Blue tri-turbo 335d wagon
2012 Deep Sea Blue X5d // 2003 Orient Blue 330i wagon
In progress/For Sale: 2003 Alpine White M3/ZHP wagon // 2003 Japan Red M3/ZHP wagon
sorry if this has already been posted, but i found a PDF of the full parts list for an e46 manual transmission, including part numbers for grommets and hoses and clips and such.
this isn't everything needed for the swap, just the transmission stuff.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/att...8&d=1436284848
if you ditch the LSD it's only $1600 in parts all told, but he did use a decent number of "parts car" parts that would probably put the total to more like $1800 if you bought that stuff separately
this is with lots of new replacements as well, like a new flywheel and full clutch kit and most of the shifter assembly
obviously it'll be a bit different for a 540i transmission but this is a ballpark, and i believe a lot of the master/slave cylinders and hoses and stuff are shared
Last edited by joekitch; 01-23-2016 at 01:49 PM.
Looking for an e39 Touring black carpet set, including the rear cargo cubbies and side sections!
ALSO looking for 540i 6speed manual transmission sets (2001+ pedals with switches, driveshaft, gearbox), for the 6speed swap! Probably not for a while....
GN92489
540i msport touring; jet black on grey
Progress Thread (general)
Progress thread (touring specific)
So, I'm not sure how the e46 parts list applies to the e39 at all, unless you're doing a manual swap with a 525i sedan/wagon or 530i sedan. The transmissions are very different, as are the flywheel and clutch kit, transmission crossmember, etc. I am doing a 6-speed swap in my 530i sedan with an e46 M3 6-speed manual transmission and have a parts list that is compiled for it, including several parts that allow you to either run a V8 differential/driveshaft/axles or keep the stock I6 versions. I'll be posting it after I finish my swap hopefully next weekend. The parts list if buying all new genuine stuff (other than the transmission itself) can cost you upwards of $3500, plus the transmission, though you can save a lot of money on buying a LuK flywheel and clutch kit (almost $$1k right there) and getting as much used shifter and pedal parts as you can. Even with my prices at Morristown BMW, I'm still around $1500 plus the cost of the transmission (around $1100) for mostly new OE parts and only a few used parts. The point is, people should expect a swap to cost around the $2000 mark, no matter what kind they are using. If you're having to pay for labor, expect it to be considerably higher.
-Paul
2003 "M5" - Full M5 conversion, AMG C63S 6 piston front calipers, Porsche Panamera 4 piston rear calipers, GC Coilovers, Eibach ARBs, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Borla Exhaust w/Muffler Delete, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto, Bi-Xenons, e38 Style 37 M-Pars, e60 Hubs 530i 6-speed swap build thread2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Soul Performance Competition Headers and Exhaust, H&R Coilovers, 718 Boxster Spyder wheels, Rennline 35mm rear spacers
oh i misread actually, the parts list is 540i specific (notice how the first item is the tranny, and it's for the 540i), the second page and beyond makes references to the e46....not sure why?
it's weird how that bimmerforums attachment link appeared in google but not the actual thread it was linked in?
Looking for an e39 Touring black carpet set, including the rear cargo cubbies and side sections!
ALSO looking for 540i 6speed manual transmission sets (2001+ pedals with switches, driveshaft, gearbox), for the 6speed swap! Probably not for a while....
GN92489
540i msport touring; jet black on grey
Progress Thread (general)
Progress thread (touring specific)
Yep. First page looks legit but the other stuff looks like stuff cribbed from an E46 project and really not useful/applicable.
2003 M3CicM6 TiAg
2002 540iT Sport Vortech S/C 6MT LSD TiAg
2008 Audi A3 2.0T DSG (the daily beater)
2014 BMW X1 xDrive28i (wifemobile)
Former:
1985 MB Euro graymarket 300SL
1995.5 Audi S6 Avant (utility/winter billetturbobattlewagen)
What I actually ended up using was the connector from the thermostat on a 2001 540. This is basically the same connector as the crank position sensor (the CPS is keyed differently depending on the year, M62 vs TU I think). Meanwhile pedals from a 98 seem to hook up just fine on my 2001, but they were swapped over to the 2001's pedal box and the pot at the top was removed. The brake pedal attachment to the master cylinder is slightly different.
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