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    Quote Originally Posted by Willcoop View Post
    Started my M5T for the first time today. Wouldn't have happened without this wiring guide! Thank you for puting it together.
    pics of car or a link to a build thread?
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    There is an error in the auto start disable section, it talks about X6004 it should be X60004.

    Also you might want to update BMW Planet to newtis.info as it requires no old browsers or java.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsam15 View Post
    There is an error in the auto start disable section, it talks about X6004 it should be X60004.
    Well, thanks for that, although it had the right number four times, only one typo in the last reference... so I doubt anybody really could get it confused/wrong unless they were trying hard, but... fixed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Samsam15 View Post
    Also you might want to update BMW Planet to newtis.info as it requires no old browsers or java.
    Nope. BMWPlanet is a PITA to get running unless you know the drill (in which case its really not so bad) but its 10x better. newtis.info doesn't seem to have all the same data and/or if it does its much harder to find the diagrams and component info. Usability for n00bz is higher, but actual information-functionality, much lower.

    The drill for BMWPlanet is:
    1. Install an obsolete browser. I suggest Firefox 51.0. You have to go into special archives to find it but its available.
    2. Turn off automatic updates IMMEDIATELY before the browser updates itself.
    3. Install SVG client and Java http://www.bmw-planet.net/diagrams/
    4. Open "Configure Java" and add "http://bmw-planet.net" to security exception list. I usually do that and "http://www.bmw-planet.net" although that shouldn't strictly be necessary...
    5. ???
    6. Profit!


    Once you do that all you need to do is give the right answers every time you open Firefox and open the site... "Run" and not "Cancel"... and it all works fine. You can even update Java when you get the prompts, you just can't update Firefox.
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    GG - Maybe you can shed some light on what I did wrong...

    New Win10 (x64) laptop. Followed your directions (installed 51.0), installed Java, made Security Exception entries.

    When loading BMW-Planet, I get "A pluging is needed..."

    Thoughts?

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    Sorry. Should have been more explicit about the SVG client too. Changed the post to so reflect.
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    BTW If you're just looking for wiring I've still left this up (but haven't worked on any improvements):

    http://iho-bmw.s3-website-us-west-2....ws.com/e39new/

    I don't think it gets enough traffic for Amazon to bill me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blarf View Post
    BTW If you're just looking for wiring I've still left this up (but haven't worked on any improvements):

    http://iho-bmw.s3-website-us-west-2....ws.com/e39new/

    I don't think it gets enough traffic for Amazon to bill me.
    At this point, yours may be the only game in town... http://www.bmw-planet.net/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi does not seem to have paid their bill (??) Suggests that it was suspended 3 days ago. FYI...

    Yours works great in Chrome but Edge does not like it.

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    DaveyCoins this is the post you should have been directed to once your question was posted!
    This is one of the best write ups I have come across!
    Forward it to your guys this should help!

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    Geargrinder Writes-


    • "Unlike prior cars, The Post Facelift E39 clutch switches are inductively triggered by a single module that connects to the clutch master cylinder and provides 2 different output signals."

    OK I have a PRE FACELIFT E39 with the mid period rheostat accelerator . How does the clutch switch differ in function and would an M5 clutch switch work with these?

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    Well timed "Sir" (if that IS your real name...).

    I've been meaning to make a post about this topic. Stand by for further instructions.
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    GG, think this could be my issue or are you still thinking gear ratio coding is off?


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    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    GG, think this could be my issue or are you still thinking gear ratio coding is off?
    You mean for cruise? If its cruise then no its purely your flash tune, needs a fixin'... we can do that some day fer surez...
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    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    You mean for cruise? If its cruise then no its purely your flash tune, needs a fixin'... we can do that some day fer surez...
    Add it to the list.... oh and BTW, I shouldn’t have added up all the parts and bills for my car.... that exercise was somewhat depressing....


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    DUDE. I thought you knew NEVER do that. I bet you know not to do that for the bikes, right? I could be driving a low miles GT2 for what I got into my car!!!! (slight exaggeration. but only slight).
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    The bikes....not historically. Unfortunately need to start keeping a tighter reign on such things.

    The car gets what she needs regardless. Still have less into this car than anything I could get new for the same $, none of which interests me anyway.


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    Seems like a lot of swaps don't have the cruise control working properly... there was one on BaT that had the same issue. Weird how shops don't bother fixing that, I guess they're just ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyzabolotny View Post
    Seems like a lot of swaps don't have the cruise control working properly... there was one on BaT that had the same issue. Weird how shops don't bother fixing that, I guess they're just ignorant.
    Yeah, PO swore up and down the shop got it working. Which technically it does.... sometimes, or it does and craps out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    The car gets what she needs regardless.
    Seems to be a disease that some of us have contracted.
    Don't want to add up the 18 years of 540 mod bills.
    I have a mental note of the '33 build, ouch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    Yeah, PO swore up and down the shop got it working. Which technically it does.... sometimes, or it does and craps out.
    No that's the well doc'd behavior. Its purely the 'gear detection ranges' in the tune. Easily fixed and Terra has posted the fixes for everybody to use.

    But. VERY VERY few shops have the slightest idea what WinKFP and NCSExpert are and/or how to flash stuff like that. They might use ISTA maybe, but ISTA is limited to what BMW allows you to do, and certainly to get it to flash a custom file like that you'd still have to know some nitty gritty details about where exacty to dump the 0DA files that Terra made and then go force a flash update to the DME.
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    I have read the majority of this thread and I understand that it will be easier to swap the transmission from like year cars. A friend of mine has decided his '97 540i 6 speed sedan is not worth fixing after being hit on the driver side (bumper to bumper sideswipe). The engine and transmission are in good working order and he wants to know if I want them to put into my wagon, I would be getting everything from the transmission to the differential from the sedan. I only have a few questions:


    Would there be anything different on a RHD swap than on a regular LHD swap?
    Would I be able to run the 1997's DME on the 2000, I know that the engine in the '97 is the M62B44 and the engine in my 2000 is the M62TUB44 (wondering if this could potentially circumvent the wiring required)
    Or should I wait for a 2000 6speed to come up for sale? (Only wondering because I am benefiting from the "you're my friend so you can take it if you want it" discount)

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    Super LULZ. Nope I think you missed most of the details. You’re pretty much 100% upside down on the facts.

    - The older cars tranny will be fine. There is no, and has never been, any mention of tranny-year issues here. The tranny is fine.
    - DME and motor swap actually would solve NO - ZERO - wiring issues (not a single man vs auto wiring issue is related to the DME itself) but it WOULD create a dozen spinoff other issues. You’d have to convert the whole car to nonTU setup which would be painfully extensive work for basically no reason at all, unless maybe your motor is totally cooked. Swap virtually all the engine wiring over. Change over to a cable throttle..... The keys would have to be swapped leaving you either with keys that didn’t match the doors or doing the door lock swap too. Etc etc etc. End up with a non-TU powerband... and... you’d still have to do the shit i list in the wiring actions! So! A pointless giant hassle. I mean real giant hassle.

    But... what you can do...

    - Take the tranny and driveshaft and shifter... all that stuff. Diff too if you want a taller ratio and less coding. Some like the short wagon ratio tho, so... not a clear answer there more like an opinion.
    - Prob can take the clutch and brake pedals and switches. You’ll need to cut some wires and splice them into your car. Depends on what version of pedals he has and you have if you can use all his pedals or might need a part or two extra. It might work ok but again, you can’t get around doing the wiring (ha! The idea “oh I’ll swap the whole motor and DME over to a completely incompatible system to avoid doing 3-4 wiring jobs!” still has me LMFAO)

    I have zero idea about what you mean re: RHD/LHD because you ain’t assplain it one iota. What in Jebuz name are you on about there? Are both cars RHD? Your sig says you’re in DC. Are you really in UK or HKG or sunsht? Or is a DC thing and one of these cars an oddball RHD ex-diplomat (illegal!) car?

    I can’t say for sure about the RHD/LHD... but I suspect if it’s a mixed setup you will have some issues. Most parts prob still fit but whether the pedal bracket has a different shape (yes yes I know RHD pedals are in same order but that doesn’t mean the bracket doesn’t have to have a different shape to fit the RH footwell...) I cant say without doIng an assload of realoem work for you.
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    thanks for the quick response geargrinder. I read 90% of the entire forum yesterday and knew I was missing some points but apparently more than I thought. I am a coder by trade so I have no problem with coding, regardless of the language it requires. The car which I will be pulling the everything from is a LHD car, but my wagon is RHD. I do have a really weird car here in the USA, it is a RHD 540i touring. It was brought into the country as a diplomatic vehicle in 2005 and has remained in the states since (isn't illegal due to the "substantially similar" import clause, the car is registered as a 2000 540i touring, in so far as the DMVs are concerned), traveling from VA, to CO, to SC, and back to VA (passed emissions in VA in Feb with the help of a government compliance officer to oversee it and hand document it). I have no problem with the mechanical, wiring and coding work required. I was just wondering if there was anything different to be done as it is a RHD car.

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    Updated OP with the 'last and final ZB numbers' that should be helpful.
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