My 2JZ Swapped E36 Build Thread

[EMC]

So is your rail -10an all the way through or does it taper down to -8an at the feed of the rail? The reason I ask is a lot of the aftermarket rails I've seen have -8an sized ports and are offered with adapters to fit -6an, -8an and -10an. To me it seems like the -10an feed line would be pointless if it was going into a rail with a -8an inlet because it would be decreasing flow down to -8an anyway. It would seem like a -8an line would feed the same amount of fuel to the injectors as the -10an line if both were going into a rail with a -8an port. Maybe there is something I am missing here or maybe you have a rail with a true -10an inlet? Would love some clarification on the matter as I am currently in the process of setting up my fuel system and am debating whether to go with a -8an feed line or -10an feed because I have a rail with a -8an inlet and a high flow fuel filter with a -10an inlet that I could either keep -10an or taper down to -8an. Sorry for the OT but it seems like a good question somewhat relevant to this thread.

Our rail is tapped to accept -8AN o-ring threads on the ends, but you can use a -6,8,10 adapter fitting. I can tell you that the inside of the -8 o-ring port is about the same size at a -10AN hose, so there is no downsizing of the rail when running a -10 hose.

My car has the same turbo and very similar fuel system. It will be interesting to see how the BMW motor compares to the Supra motor.

Great build Jack!

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I bought 6 of those cans from Streetsideauto.com with online coupon, they were under $20 each, shipped to my door.

[BigM62]

Okay grumpy...to each his own.

LOL. Touche!

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Good thing we didn't ask you.

Who is "we"? Why not put a 2zjgte in a Supra?

[highboostingm3]

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My car has the same turbo and very similar fuel system. It will be interesting to see how the BMW motor compares to the Supra motor.
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Oh wow that is going to be very interesting.

[m3mods]

Our rail is tapped to accept -8AN o-ring threads on the ends, but you can use a -6,8,10 adapter fitting. I can tell you that the inside of the -8 o-ring port is about the same size at a -10AN hose, so there is no downsizing of the rail when running a -10 hose.

Thanks for the info I appreciate it

I bought 6 of those cans from Streetsideauto.com with online coupon, they were under $20 each, shipped to my door.

Awesome most of the ones I found were like $50 per can! I will definitely check that place out

[95RogueM3]

LOL. Touche!

Who is "we"? Why not put a 2zjgte in a Supra?

How about "we" can be me asking you not to clutter my build thread with your thoughts. I understand you don't like it and would encourage you to start a brand new thread of your very own to discuss the merits or lack thereof in swapping motors between marques/chassis, etc.

Thanks.

Awesome most of the ones I found were like $50 per can! I will definitely check that place out

Amazon has them for $50 for 2. I bought (2) cans and also (1) of the highly recommended filler hoses for $62 or so.

[BigM62]

How about "we" can be me asking you not to clutter my build thread with your thoughts. I understand you don't like it and would encourage you to start a brand new thread of your very own to discuss the merits or lack thereof in swapping motors between marques/chassis, etc.

Thanks.

Amazon has them for $50 for 2. I bought (2) cans and also (1) of the highly recommended filler hoses for $62 or so.

You are right, my bad. Just because I don't like American or Japanese engines in German cars does't mean I have to be an as*. Nice numbers FWIW.

[iRodD]

Imagine the power it would make on 85% ethanol.

[95RogueM3]

Imagine the power it would make on 85% ethanol.

I can't wait to see come April/May. That and the guys at SP are confident the new intake will free up some power (and potentially will throw it back on the dyno before it ships out to see how much/if any the car picks up on E63).

[hsvturbo]

Yes, though with upgraded Marlin Crawler internals.

Got some completed numbers (though no dyno chart yet):

563whp @ 17psi (pump gas)
588whp @ 18.5psi (pump gas)
618whp 580wtq @ 20psi (63% ethanol)
700whp 681wtq @ 25psi (63% ethanol)
735whp 695wtq @ 29psi (63% ethanol)
749whp 719wtq @ 32psi (63% ethanol)

I will go ahead and bump these numbers to the new page.

Nice numbers, does the e36 Chassis bump the torque up about 200, cause I was told the j2z produced no torque.

[das Boot]

was a dyno graph ever posted?
should have went s52 , Jordan makes 850+ on a 6466

[95RogueM3]

was a dyno graph ever posted?
should have went s52 , Jordan makes 850+ on a 6466

I am having a hard time understanding why people even chime in to post "should have done XX" or "I would have done XX". If it were a poll, it would make more sense. I've posted in the past how I feel about you and your actions on this forum (re: sick dog), so I'll leave it at that.

The 6766 isn't running full tilt and I think the 2JZ motor is a pretty cool departure from the ordinary. Thus my reasoning.

I got a call from Reid @ SP this evening to let me know that the new intake and filter did wonders for the car. The below graph represents 775whp and 750wtq made at only 27.5psi this afternoon. Thats a 25whp improvement on 5psi less boost due to opening up the intake! Reid and Larry said that with the stock rods, they really weren't comfortable pushing any further or running the car up to 30 or 32psi for fear of the torque it would continue to make.

[highboostingm3]

That graph rocks!

The quick spool is doing its job cause damn!

Reminding me of mcoupemindy's car.

[hsvturbo]

IIRC, your OP indicated you were anticipating 800whp on 30psi. You've done your homework cause your right there!

Going back to my Torque comment, were you anticipating this amount of torque?

[95RogueM3]

That graph rocks!

The quick spool is doing its job cause damn!

Reminding me of mcoupemindy's car.

Yep, I told Reid its not unlike the spool on my previous 35R car...yet making nearly 300whp and tq more.

Going back to my Torque comment, were you anticipating this amount of torque?

I really wasn't and I am pleasantly surprised!

Now just to budget for some rods....

[das Boot]

I am having a hard time understanding why people even chime in to post "should have done XX" or "I would have done XX". If it were a poll, it would make more sense. I've posted in the past how I feel about you and your actions on this forum (re: sick dog), so I'll leave it at that.

The 6766 isn't running full tilt and I think the 2JZ motor is a pretty cool departure from the ordinary. Thus my reasoning.

I got a call from Reid @ SP this evening to let me know that the new intake and filter did wonders for the car. The below graph represents 775whp and 750wtq made at only 27.5psi this afternoon. Thats a 25whp improvement on 5psi less boost due to opening up the intake! Reid and Larry said that with the stock rods, they really weren't comfortable pushing any further or running the car up to 30 or 32psi for fear of the torque it would continue to make.

congrats to reid and larry for building your car.
I'm flattered that you think so highly of me after 4 yrs.
cheers.

[95RogueM3]

congrats to reid and larry for building your car.

Yes, they did an awesome job.

..and unfortunately for you, true character doesn't change in 4 years or 40.

[iRodD]

Gorgeous graph!

[das Boot]

Yes, they did an awesome job.

..and unfortunately for you, true character doesn't change in 4 years or 40.

It's ok no need to get angry ...be happy dude I simply mentioned that Reid and Larry did great building your car.
and simply engaged the discussion on a BMW fi standpoint that a s52 with smaller turbo makes better more power.
if you feel Ill toward me I'm sorry but please keep it to your self as it's no fi related.
cheers.

[AA98M3]

Been following thread for awhile. Soooo looking forward to videos and pics of final results!

[95RogueM3]

It's ok no need to get angry ...be happy dude I simply mentioned that Reid and Larry did great building your car.
and simply engaged the discussion on a BMW fi standpoint that a s52 with smaller turbo makes better more power.
if you feel Ill toward me I'm sorry but please keep it to your self as it's no fi related.
cheers.

Fair enough and the below is not in anger, but instead laying out some comparative facts.

A few things to mention in that comparison:
- 2JZ is a 3.0 vs. the 3.2 Jordan is running (same 8.5:1 compression).
- Jordan was running 35psi to my 27.5psi (7.5psi difference!)
- Jordan made 850whp but "only" 710wtq at that 35psi on ~E85
- I made 773whp and 750wtq at "only" 27.5psi and on E63

I'm no dyno expert, but to try and compare my numbers to his with a sweeping "his are better" is a non sequitur. If I were running 35psi and true E85, who knows how much power and more importantly, torque I would produce...I would imagine similar, if not better numbers to his with 7% less displacement. No sense in guessing though, and until I have a built motor, that will have to remain an unknown.

Initially I was considering the 6466 as it seems like a turbo that is so versatile, though as I talked with Cam about a few pages back, SP is of the opinion that the 6766 is the better turbo when not at full tilt (30+psi). I will be running this car on pump most of the time at or under 20psi, so thats a big reason they talked me into the 6766. Both turbos are DBB, and with my QSV in place, my 6766 spools nearly the same as would a 6466, yet leaves a bit more headroom on the top end.

[Jkpgt96]

Nice work OP. You shouldn't have to explain yourself to anyone. It is your car, and your money. End of story.

[95RogueM3]

and your money.

I wish it weren't.....from now on I will only buy someone else's completed project!

I agree...no need to explain and I find the posts that say "you should have done XX" particularly irritating as its, more often than not, posted without any detail or logic as to why they feel that way (it should go without saying that this whole build isn't for the purists so chiming in to say "BMWs need BMW motors is clearly unnecessary). The above was different as it can strike a comparison between the OEM components and swapped components which can atleast add some value to the thread.

[Robocop]

I wish there were people putting honda motors into e30 m3s just to see
how pissed-off the bmw community gets

My own project has me bored with the lack of e30 traction you just burn out on the
freeway if it's not a perfect 80* day on hot hot asphalt. It sucks. 225 is the fattest tire that fits.
Thinking of getting a 70's camero using the 2jz myself.

[m3mods]

I wish there were people putting honda motors into e30 m3s just to see
how pissed-off the bmw community gets

My own project has me bored with the lack of e30 traction you just burn out on the
freeway if it's not a perfect 80* day on hot hot asphalt. It sucks. 225 is the fattest tire that fits.
Thinking of getting a 70's camero using the 2jz myself.

Fender flares..?

[95RogueM3]

Fender flares..?

Not a terrible idea, however the E30 has a pretty classic look (though I would have through the E30 M3 flares would allow for more than enough room for 255s+).

Everytime I talk to Reid he mentions my need for larger than 255s to plant any of this power fully (without the ProEfi traction control kicking in). I might need to undergo some flaring to atleast throw in some 265s.