My 2JZ Swapped E36 Build Thread

[95RogueM3]

This gets to be my 2nd build thread in the FI section having had the opportunity to work with Mike R. on my first Turbo E36 in 2007. That car was awesome, but given I was just getting started living on my own, I sold it in 2008 and ever since had missed the feeling of a high-power E36.

I picked up this new car in WPB Florida and promptly drove it 900 miles home to VA which speaks to the reliability in its current state. The paint on the car was a bit rough and the overall power advertised was substantially off from what the car actually dyno'd today...but I'm not complaining (too much ). Pictures of how it looked when I picked it up (paint was rough, but looks fine in photos):




I drove the car home and knew my first plan of action would be getting the paint fixed. The paint on the spoiler, both bumpers, and sideskirts was dead and couldn't be brought back with polish. I sent the car to my brother-in-law who works at a body shop and he removed the spoiler for me (I hate spoilers on the sedans), welded the holes, and then painted both bumpers, decklid, and skirts. Came out looking awesome. Some shots of the during:





Finished (with clear lenses):




Upon purchase, the PO said when the car was built by EShift it had made in the ballpark of 560whp but immediately upon driving home, I knew it was making a good deal less than that. My gut was telling me less than 500whp, but I was optimistic that maybe the 72mm turbo was skewing my perception. That ended up not being the case as the car put down a consistent ~450whp @ 20psi on 93 Octane. While that is decent power, it was a pretty massive let down from what I was expecting and is obviously under-utilizing the turbo.





That said, the reason for this build thread will be to document the "build" which will involve the car going to ISP Racing in Maryland (Supra specialists) to receive a more responsive turbo (thinking a 6466), potentially 264/264 cams, fuel system upgrade to allow E85, and new engine management (debating AEM vs. ProEfi, among others). I would ultimately like to see the car put down 650whp with 550+ wtq.

I don't have an appointment yet with ISP but yesterday's dyno runs definitely ignited the fire! I'll update this thread as we make progress..

[cragg56]

Good luck on the build and look forward to the results.

What trans will you be running?

[whitecord]

dang that guy spent a lot of money to make the same power a bolt on turbo s52 would make. I am looking forward to seeing what it dose with a better turbo and some tuning.

[Rafali]

Looks promising

[95RogueM3]

What trans will you be running?

Its got an R154 transmission from an Mk3 Supra. Transmission was built by PO with Marlin Crawler upgraded components.

dang that guy spent a lot of money to make the same power a bolt on turbo s52 would make. I am looking forward to seeing what it dose with a better turbo and some tuning.

True, the power could have been obtained more readily, but the 2JZ does offer huge headroom and a more robust motor.

I'm definitely interested to see what it will make with tweaks..

[ZimDoc]

Good luck and I'm always excited for your builds/cars.

I'd personally go ProEFI. Had the chance to see their ECU's first hand on a shop car or two and its amazing. Jason and his team has it going on.

[mad skilz]

Excited to see you build this thing up a bit! It was good to meet you at the open house saturday (I'm the one with the cosmos turbo e36), let me know if you ever need a hand with anything

[M5Hunter]

Nice to see this thing up here! The car is beautiful and sure sounded good on Saturday, it was nice meeting you as well!

[95RogueM3]

Good luck and I'm always excited for your builds/cars.

I'd personally go ProEFI. Had the chance to see their ECU's first hand on a shop car or two and its amazing. Jason and his team has it going on.

Thanks! The more I read about ProEfi, the more I like, especially the flex fuel sensor. That said, it runs atleast $1k more than the AEM which makes the decision tough...

Excited to see you build this thing up a bit! It was good to meet you at the open house saturday (I'm the one with the cosmos turbo e36), let me know if you ever need a hand with anything

Thanks and nice meeting you as well! I've been researching quite a bit and found someone up in MD tuned by ISP with 280 degree cams put down 732rwhp on E85 with a 6266 turbo. I'm not going to run 280s, but maybe with a set of 272s on a 6466, I could hit 700whp on E85. That's my new benchmark.

I emailed with the head of East Coast gas stations last week (found him in a press release about E85 in VA) as East Coast now has (3) E85 stations open and are planning to open 2-3 more this year. He said he couldn't tell me if the one out near Short Pump was on the list, but I am crossing my fingers that we get E85 in the West End shortly.

Nice to see this thing up here! The car is beautiful and sure sounded good on Saturday, it was nice meeting you as well!

Thanks Clay. Nice meeting you as well.

It was funny when the car got pulled off the dyno I must have had the look of utter defeat on my face as no fewer than 3-4 people were like "Well, 450 is still great, right?" To me 450 was a pretty serious groin kick.

[jvit27]

Maybe the PO used a Mert dyno?

[AA98M3]

This is relevant to my interests


Sent from the vortex of my Rotrex

[mike radowski]

Good luck with the new build! I would go 6466/twin scroll header. Brutal powerband for a street car.

-Mike

[95RogueM3]

Good luck with the new build! I would go 6466/twin scroll header. Brutal powerband for a street car.

-Mike

Thanks Mike. "Brutal Powerband" is very relevant to my interests.

I think I am set on ISP for Tuning, but was planning to shoot you a text about using you for parts and possible install....

[Robocop]

What do u think is wrong with it?
My stock m30 made that with a 59mm turbo at 19psi.
Spools faster too.

[95RogueM3]

What do u think is wrong with it?
My stock m30 made that with a 59mm turbo at 19psi.
Spools faster too.

Nothing "wrong" per say. I believe the car to be producing lower numbers than other 2JZs at similar boost on account of the tuning. Its running an AFC which does not play with the timing and which is tuned to be ~11.1:1 at WOT which obviously is a bit richer than might be optimal.

The lag is a result of an over-sized turbo for more than my desired power level (turbo could support substantially more power as its a 72mm .96AR).

Not sure you can compare an S52 vs. 2JZ or M30 vs. 2jz with any high degree of similarity and expect the same power psi for psi.

[95RogueM3]

I ordered some parts.

Precision 6766 DBB (.81 AR) - Ported Cover

-10 Fuel System:

1. 1200cc Precision Injectors
2. RallyRoad Dual Pump Hangar
3. Dual 416 lph Pumps
4. Sound Performance Rail

-ProEfi Standalone System

1. PnP Supra Harness
2. 5 Bar MAP Sensor Kit
3. Air Temp Sensor
4. Boost Sensor
5. Flex Fuel Sensor
6. 5 Position IBoost Switch
7. 52mm CAN Gauge

Power Division GSC S1 Camshafts
Power Division Beehive Valve Springs
Titanium Retainers

Ground Control Track/School Coilovers
Wheels TBD

Car will be tuned for both 93 and E85. Hoping to make nearly 800whp on E85 at ~30psi. Might need to bump the exhaust from 3" to 3.5", but would prefer not to on account of ground clearance.

All will be tuned by Larry @ Sound Performance.

[Unvmy996]

Awesome , looking forward to when this done and new numbers

[E36 HateR]

Sickkkkk I would lovw to see this thing one day.

[highboostingm3]

I ordered some parts.

Precision 6766 DBB (.81 AR) - Ported Cover

-10 Fuel System:

1. 1200cc Precision Injectors
2. RallyRoad Dual Pump Hangar
3. Dual 416 lph Pumps
4. Sound Performance Rail

-ProEfi Standalone System

1. PnP Supra Harness
2. 5 Bar MAP Sensor Kit
3. Air Temp Sensor
4. Boost Sensor
5. Flex Fuel Sensor
6. 5 Position IBoost Switch
7. 52mm CAN Gauge

Power Division GSC S1 Camshafts
Power Division Beehive Valve Springs
Titanium Retainers

Ground Control Track/School Coilovers
Wheels TBD

Car will be tuned for both 93 and E85. Hoping to make nearly 800whp on E85 at ~30psi. Might need to bump the exhaust from 3" to 3.5", but would prefer not to on account of ground clearance.

All will be tuned by Larry @ Sound Performance.

Now we're talkin'.

This is going to be VERY interesting to see dollar for dollar what you can get when swapping a 2jz-gte versus sticking with the m52-s52. Obviously not having to build the 2jz-gte bottom end is a big financial advantage. Factoring in that we CAN stick with stock DME on m52-s52 and make big power is an advantage versus going standalone however...there is no flex fuel until you get to the e46 m3 with stock DME and therefore in that category, standalone has an advantage.

Going to be great to see this play out.

[zeeth2800]

I would ultimately like to see the car put down 650whp with 550+ wtq.

I could hit 700whp on E85. That's my new benchmark.

Hoping to make nearly 800whp on E85 at ~30psi.

You sound like a true Supra owner now. Keep that thing fun to drive on the street!

[highboostingm3]

You sound like a true Supra owner now. Keep that thing fun to drive on the street!

[mike radowski]

When you get bored of that we can finally turbo that beautiful blue car!

[95RogueM3]

This is going to be VERY interesting to see dollar for dollar what you can get when swapping a 2jz-gte versus sticking with the m52-s52. Obviously not having to build the 2jz-gte bottom end is a big financial advantage. Factoring in that we cannow stick with stock DME on m52-s52 and make big power is an advantage versus going standalone however...there is no flex fuel until you get to the e46 m3 with stock DME and therefore in that category, standalone has an advantage.

Its truly there are certainly pros and cons to each. I would say dollar for dollar, sticking with the S52 and building it along with stock DME tuning is probably the cheaper option, but you do then lack some of the cool standalone features (flex fuel, traction control, etc).

You sound like a true Supra owner now. Keep that thing fun to drive on the street!

Its funny as I can truly remember each of those comments in my head thinking "Yep, thats the ceiling" only to blow through it 2 months later in my mind. Initially I was only thinking a pump gas build and that is where the 600s came from, then once E85 crossed my mind I was considering a 62mm turbo and therefore the 700whp level.

After tons of discussions with Sound Performance, they actually favor the 6766 over the 6466 on builds that are going to be predominately street driven (and just as often on 93 as opposed to E85). Then entered the 800whp ideas.

I think all of the components are there for 800whp with the exception of maybe needing a 3.5" exhaust (or 4") and also depending upon how well my current T4 manifold flows.

When you get bored of that we can finally turbo that beautiful blue car!

Right!

I did consider it and added up costs of turbo-ing my '95 (as well as contacted Jordan about tuning) but ultimately decided that because I drive that car less than 1,000 miles/year and its always in the garage under a cover, its sort of money wasted. At least with this car, I drive it almost everyday and will get to enjoy the obscene amount of $$ I am dropping into it.

[highboostingm3]

Thank you for the great response.

...
After tons of discussions with Sound Performance, they actually favor the 6766 over the 6466 on builds that are going to be predominately street driven (and just as often on 93 as opposed to E85)
...

I am REALLY interested in what their specific explanation was for this. A larger turbo would be better if predominately street driven?

[95RogueM3]

Thank you for the great response.

I am REALLY interested in what their specific explanation was for this. A larger turbo would be better if predominately street driven?

Yes, it struck me as a bit weird too. They said that they have found the 6466 to be a phenomenal turbo, but really to "shine" at higher boost levels (30+ psi) and not be quite as impressive on pump. In comparison, they said the 6766 is great on pump as well as high boost (and only gives up a tiny bit of power to the 6466 in doing so...again weird that a 64mm turbo at 35psi would outflow a 67 at similar levels...but thats what the data shows).

They have done a TON of research (and are the shop behind those graphs everywhere comparing the 6266 to the 6466 to the 6766). I took their word for it.