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    Quote Originally Posted by pbonsalb View Post
    Don't you have a trailer hitch on your E36 now? Would a D'lan hitch be sufficient to tow a dolly with a 3200 lb E36 on it?
    What points are you welding it to?

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    If the hitch had to be welded to the car, it would not be worthwhile. I can borrow a car dolly and was thinking about bringing it to the dragstrip in case one of us broke. But if welded and that car broke, we woudl be out of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbonsalb View Post
    If the hitch had to be welded to the car, it would not be worthwhile. I can borrow a car dolly and was thinking about bringing it to the dragstrip in case one of us broke. But if welded and that car broke, we woudl be out of luck.
    My truck has a hitch. But I think we will be looking at needing to bring 2 dollys
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    i would never tow that much with an e36 lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by catalyst. View Post
    i would never tow that much with an e36 lol
    You can tow 4k pounds easily. People do it all the time. If the load is balanced properly on the trailer and you're using a proper hitch system, you barely put much more weight on the rear axle of the car as you roll along.
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    The drive would be 25-45 miles and pretty level so I agree it would be ok. A support vehicle is another option. I can borrow a truck easily at night or on a weekend but prefer to drive my car to and from the strip. I don't really want to get so serious that the car no longer gets driven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbonsalb View Post
    I don't really want to get so serious that the car no longer gets driven.
    Can we at least have shirts made so it looks like we have our own racing team?
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    Maybe with an image like this: Attachment 491540

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbonsalb View Post
    Maybe with an image like this: <img src="http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=491540"/>
    Racing name ideas?

    "One pass wonders"
    "luxury ride home club"
    "Broken Bavarians"
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    I like the "Broken Bavarians"

    Open to suggestions
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyfishvt View Post
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    Very good. I think we will need to keep it on the lines of "breaking " tho. We don't want to show any professionalism. Cause we WILL be towed home.
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    Hey NEFI types. Not there yet but once my latest rounds of mods are sorted out and settled, in order to keep my infinite money pit rolling, this puppy should be going into my 540iT.

    I"m already severely traction limited with the power the car makes already & the addition of the manual and LSD so i'm not sure what the point is, but hey who says logic has anything to do with it.

    Would appreciate if anybody has any tips on ANYBODY who can tune ME7.2 in USA and ideally somebody in our neck of the woods.
    Coming up a bit dry on that... Frank Smith down in MD seems to have done a little, but even he doesn't seem to have done F/I on one yet...



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    Quote Originally Posted by sjpgoalie View Post
    You can tow 4k pounds easily. People do it all the time. If the load is balanced properly on the trailer and you're using a proper hitch system, you barely put much more weight on the rear axle of the car as you roll along.

    Where do people even mount the hitch, the only hitches i have seen went through the spare tire wheel well and had like 1/8 inch backing plates. IMO a hitch like that is good for nothing more than a utility trailer so you can bring some trash to the dump or something. I remember like 7 years ago there was a guy on here that towed his motorcycle with an M3 long distances, thats the most i have seen successfully towed with one of these.

    you could sure try to do it but you would probably look like the guy i saw on 128 south a couple years back towing a 30 foot cabin cruiser with a chrysler town and country.... the hitch was bent down and the tounge of the trailer was grinding on the ground shooting 15 feet of sparks out behind him LOL but he was still goin!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    Hey NEFI types. Not there yet but once my latest rounds of mods are sorted out and settled, in order to keep my infinite money pit rolling, this puppy should be going into my 540iT. I"m already severely traction limited with the power the car makes already & the addition of the manual and LSD so i'm not sure what the point is, but hey who says logic has anything to do with it. Would appreciate if anybody has any tips on ANYBODY who can tune ME7.2 in USA and ideally somebody in our neck of the woods. Coming up a bit dry on that... Frank Smith down in MD seems to have done a little, but even he doesn't seem to have done F/I on one yet...
    Interesting. Who makes that kit? There is a member here, dudmd, that tunes the 7.2. He can give you a basic tune to get it running, then he can tweak it with dyno info. He's in Washington, but he tunes remotely.

    As far as I knew the most you can squeeze out of an m62 is about 420 hp. Unless you go nuts money wise. The most I've seen is "baby", it's pushing 600. Bored out to 4.8, sleeved, head work, massive supercharger. All to the tune of +300k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSXRliterbikz View Post
    Interesting. Who makes that kit? There is a member here, dudmd, that tunes the 7.2. He can give you a basic tune to get it running, then he can tweak it with dyno info. He's in Washington, but he tunes remotely.

    As far as I knew the most you can squeeze out of an m62 is about 420 hp. Unless you go nuts money wise. The most I've seen is "baby", it's pushing 600. Bored out to 4.8, sleeved, head work, massive supercharger. All to the tune of +300k.
    Yeah that's the relatively common VF kit that makes ~415hp (350 at the wheels on their dynos is a better mark). Its a Vortech V-3 w/ Si Trim blower. There's quite a few running around the country but I have yet to track one down in New England.

    I've been in touch w/ DUDMD, was going to try his N/A tune in the interim, that's a good reminder - I think he no-replied my last message, I need to tickle him again.

    Seems like there are 2 really big M62TU builds around here - one that is still underway (BigM62TU) , and the other one (Ballard540 now, but ex T-Trim540) that had had a million problems and kept getting shuttled from one shop to the next always with some major problem that was always the fault of the last guys. In the end he made yeah about 590whp safely after sorting out all the P/O's messes, but now is going for way more.

    But that said - absolutely I am not going that route and can not go really nuts on this car - I've already money-pitted it badly enough. I do think both those builds have it right in concept - build a motor out of the car, bore to add displacement like the S62, add rods, maybe stroke it. I would drop the compression a bit so you can really throw some boost at it vs. the basic "bolt-on" 6-8psi levels... Problem is the M62TU needs so much custom work (no off-the-shelf cams, etc.) a big build on one always argues to start with an S62 instead. Too bad - I always kinda feel if the aftermarket had jumped on that motor stronger back in the day it'd be a bigger thing, but a platform needs to develop some momentum and it never did, and now it's too old and not common enough for anybody to be interested.

    Anyway... with the VF kit and the headers/plenum already on the car, and a custom tune, hopefully I'll be in more-than-M5 territory which is my target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    Yeah that's the relatively common VF kit that makes ~415hp (350 at the wheels on their dynos is a better mark). Its a Vortech V-3 w/ Si Trim blower. There's quite a few running around the country but I have yet to track one down in New England. I've been in touch w/ DUDMD, was going to try his N/A tune in the interim, that's a good reminder - I think he no-replied my last message, I need to tickle him again. Seems like there are 2 really big M62TU builds around here - one that is still underway (BigM62TU) , and the other one (Ballard540 now, but ex T-Trim540) that had had a million problems and kept getting shuttled from one shop to the next always with some major problem that was always the fault of the last guys. In the end he made yeah about 590whp safely after sorting out all the P/O's messes, but now is going for way more. But that said - absolutely I am not going that route and can not go really nuts on this car - I've already money-pitted it badly enough. I do think both those builds have it right in concept - build a motor out of the car, bore to add displacement like the S62, add rods, maybe stroke it. I would drop the compression a bit so you can really throw some boost at it vs. the basic "bolt-on" 6-8psi levels... Problem is the M62TU needs so much custom work (no off-the-shelf cams, etc.) a big build on one always argues to start with an S62 instead. Too bad - I always kinda feel if the aftermarket had jumped on that motor stronger back in the day it'd be a bigger thing, but a platform needs to develop some momentum and it never did, and now it's too old and not common enough for anybody to be interested. Anyway... with the VF kit and the headers/plenum already on the car, and a custom tune, hopefully I'll be in more-than-M5 territory which is my target.
    Got ya. I've driven a few dinan cars. IMO, not worth the money. Stinks too, I wish there were options, but with such a limited market, there will probably never be any.
    Having an alusil block, any boring done will be extremely expensive. You either need to refinish the walls, which not many know how. Or you need to sleeve them.
    I'd be willing to spend money if it was possible to get some reasonable gains. But the best kits out there are only good for around 100.
    There is a full kit on a mass Craigslist for 4k. Iirc it's currently on a 98 540. So it's a non vanos dinan kit.

    I have e38's, so my first major project will be a 6speed swap. That way when I eventually get around to doing power mods, I'll be able to make better use of it.
    Just a point for interest, an s62 swap is extremely difficult and pricey. But the e53 4.6is motor is an alpina tuned, slightly stroked 4.4. With some minor changes to the upper oil pan and ccv system, it can be installed into a 5 or 7. Then you can put a vf kit on it. That will put you close to 475. In stock form the 4.6 is rated at 335 vs the 282 of a stock 4.4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSXRliterbikz View Post
    Got ya. I've driven a few dinan cars. IMO, not worth the money. Stinks too, I wish there were options, but with such a limited market, there will probably never be any.
    Having an alusil block, any boring done will be extremely expensive. You either need to refinish the walls, which not many know how. Or you need to sleeve them.
    I'd be willing to spend money if it was possible to get some reasonable gains. But the best kits out there are only good for around 100.
    There is a full kit on a mass Craigslist for 4k. Iirc it's currently on a 98 540. So it's a non vanos dinan kit.
    Cool. Yep - I may have talked to that kit seller at one point. After waiting and searching for a long time, the huge warning I have on the used kits is that a huge number of them have missing parts and/or no software. VF particularly absolutely fists you if you need to buy individual parts for replacement. Dinan ironically seems a little better. (Do you know Brian Casey w/ the S/C 540 in NH? He homebrewed some Dinan parts with his own parts and is now running a piggy-back system, though his car is mothballed while he's working in Australia.)

    Quote Originally Posted by GSXRliterbikz View Post
    I have e38's, so my first major project will be a 6speed swap. That way when I eventually get around to doing power mods, I'll be able to make better use of it.
    Just a point for interest, an s62 swap is extremely difficult and pricey. But the e53 4.6is motor is an alpina tuned, slightly stroked 4.4. With some minor changes to the upper oil pan and ccv system, it can be installed into a 5 or 7. Then you can put a vf kit on it. That will put you close to 475. In stock form the 4.6 is rated at 335 vs the 282 of a stock 4.4.
    Well, I just finished the swap in my Touring, with a lightweight flywheel and M5 clutch setup, yadda yadda.

    If you get into it and need help w/ coding etc. lemme know. I put up a big "how to do wiring and coding for the swap" post in the E39 Touring forum w/ all the deets a few weeks ago. The E38 will be a little different but not completely, should be a lot of common ground. I even probably have a 420G tranny for sale. Long story.

    Yeah a 4.6 or 4.8 is a cool idea but those are rare and a bit $$$ too... the only advantage you have I think is you can argue the price down based on "hey for that money I can get an S62"... If you could dig one up for short money that'd be excellent.
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    I want to join this club so bad! But no bmw now and no turbo either...... I'm now thinking of buying a rebuildable s50 and start rebuilding it for turbo from ground up until I find a clean e36 shell to put it in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spenka View Post
    I want to join this club so bad! But no bmw now and no turbo either...... I'm now thinking of buying a rebuildable s50 and start rebuilding it for turbo from ground up until I find a clean e36 shell to put it in.
    Just get a M52, it will be cheaper.. punch it out to 86.5 mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catalyst. View Post

    Where do people even mount the hitch, the only hitches i have seen went through the spare tire wheel well and had like 1/8 inch backing plates. IMO a hitch like that is good for nothing more than a utility trailer so you can bring some trash to the dump or something. I remember like 7 years ago there was a guy on here that towed his motorcycle with an M3 long distances, thats the most i have seen successfully towed with one of these.

    you could sure try to do it but you would probably look like the guy i saw on 128 south a couple years back towing a 30 foot cabin cruiser with a chrysler town and country.... the hitch was bent down and the tounge of the trailer was grinding on the ground shooting 15 feet of sparks out behind him LOL but he was still goin!!!
    Sounds like you're pretty clueless on this one, brochacho. I'm talking about legitimate trailer hitch setups - not ones that weekend racers use to haul a couple sets of tires. You reinforce the trunk with steel plating.

    In Europe they don't drive around in king Kong pickups and they never have. You see it constantly in europe - towing things up around that weight with a car this size. Check out the towing capacity on an e36. It can do a little more than the listed weight safely. Obviously, if you think what happens to said Chrysler, simply due to weight, you have no idea what balancing a load means in regards to pairing it with a tow vehicle. You could hook a low-boy with a 25k pound tractor on it up to an that is e36 on a scale. Just the e36. Balanced properly - the e36 wouldn't budge and it would weigh exactly the same ~3150 or your load is not balanced. Obviously, it couldn't pull that much weight, but it can certainly pull 4k.

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    i understand how to set up a trailer with 0 tongue weight, but its still not the best idea to tow that much weight with a unibody mounted hitch picture a panic stop with 3500 pounds ripping the bottom of your trunk out and putting it in your backseat
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    I don't think you need a ladder frame truck to tow 3500 lbs. I agree it is probably a good idea to attach the hitch to more than the bumper, though. It looks like it would not be as simple and easily transferable as I hoped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butters Stoch View Post

    Just get a M52, it will be cheaper.. punch it out to 86.5 mm.
    Your setup is quite impressive to me because I've always heard crap about m52 turbo not getting over 500hp but yours did.

    I was thinking of going stock bore with s50 or s52 crank to increase displacement. Any feedback is quite appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spenka View Post

    Your setup is quite impressive to me because I've always heard crap about m52 turbo not getting over 500hp but yours did.

    I was thinking of going stock bore with s50 or s52 crank to increase displacement. Any feedback is quite appreciated.
    Cardcounter made 1000 with a M52. 703 with stock internals..
    My dyne was around 18 psi. So I figure around 22 psi, I might be making a little bit more.
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