The M5 cluster retrofit

[MarlberCruz]

Does anybody know if the e53 X5 4.6/4.8 Sport cluster would work on an e39 540ia?

[Manny G.]

It would work no different than the M5 one would.

The key to making an M5 or X5 4.6is cluster work in an E39 540i is to flash the DME with software from the X5 4.6is software. They are the same M62tu engine base, one being B44 and the other B46. The software functions fine on the 540. I have not gone as far as doing the flash because I have been told it would wipe my Dinan software out.

[supra94tt]

It would work no different than the M5 one would.

The key to making an M5 or X5 4.6is cluster work in an E39 540i is to flash the DME with software from the X5 4.6is software. They are the same M62tu engine base, one being B44 and the other B46. The software functions fine on the 540. I have not gone as far as doing the flash because I have been told it would wipe my Dinan software out.

You can always save the Dinan tune(bin file) with MPPS, and after programming, just flash it back to DME, the problem is -you have a 6 speed, B46 tune is for automatics .

[Manny G.]

You can always save the Dinan tune(bin file) with MPPS, and after programming, just flash it back to DME, the problem is -you have a 6 speed, B46 tune is for automatics .

I wish I would've kept the bookmarks of the sources I spent a lot of time reading on about a year ago. I read one, translated from German, that said there was a way around that. Its a simple toggle switch in the module to switch it from manual to auto

[beaubrant]

Hello All-
I appreciate your posts on the e39 speedo coding, I bought a used speedo with almost the exact same miles as my car..I have driven around for two weeks getting the mils exact and pulled over on the side of the road at the exact same miles as my new "used" cluster..I plugged it in and of course, got the DOT tamper, but the miles are the same as my old cluster. I went to a independent shop today in Denver that has PA soft. They said they successfully coded my "used" cluster, however once I drove off, the DOT light is still on and DSC light. My car is a 2001 540 M sport 6 speed, and took cluster off 01 M5....I know the oil gauge wont work, thats fine..I just want the DSC and dot light off...the coding did do something right, because the speedometer, temp gauge, and tach now match correctly...as they didn't before the coding. Any help would be grateful!
Beau
720-838-9510 beaubrant@aol.com

[Manny G.]

Hello All-
I appreciate your posts on the e39 speedo coding, I bought a used speedo with almost the exact same miles as my car..I have driven around for two weeks getting the mils exact and pulled over on the side of the road at the exact same miles as my new "used" cluster..I plugged it in and of course, got the DOT tamper, but the miles are the same as my old cluster. I went to a independent shop today in Denver that has PA soft. They said they successfully coded my "used" cluster, however once I drove off, the DOT light is still on and DSC light. My car is a 2001 540 M sport 6 speed, and took cluster off 01 M5....I know the oil gauge wont work, thats fine..I just want the DSC and dot light off...the coding did do something right, because the speedometer, temp gauge, and tach now match correctly...as they didn't before the coding. Any help would be grateful!
Beau
720-838-9510 beaubrant@aol.com

Beau,

I have some bad news for you... the mil dot will not go away since the M5 cluster cannot have your VIN (also referred to as the FGSTNR) number written to it. Model year 2001-2003 M5 gray face clusters, like a majority of the M5 clusters in the US that I have seen, have a one time write only chip in it that will only allow VIN programming if it reads 0 miles. I am even having this problem myself with a black face cluster from a 2000 M5. I have began to wonder if there is a way to manipulate the mileage on the cluster while it is out of the car to count all the way up to 99999 then revert to 000000... that may possible be the only way to trick the cluster into thinking it can be rewritten.

The DSC light however is due to the steering angle sensor (LEW) not being recalibrated. PA Soft needs to read that module and reset its calibration. Make sure your steering wheel is straight when you reset it... it may have been turned when the shop originally did it.

"coding" is simply done by copying your central ZCS coding from a module like your EWS module or light control module (LCM) to the cluster (IKE). PA Soft CAN do this coding, but will fail when trying to write your VIN number to your IKE.

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Also, if you REALLY REALLY want all of the oil temp functions and RPM lights to work, your 540i would need to be flashed with ECU/DME software from the X5 4.6is. The software that the M62tuB46 uses enables the oil temp sensor to transmit the signal over CAN for the cluster to use the function. If you have a tuner DME software however, it will be erased.

[GSXRliterbikz]

Hmmm. I have an 02 m5 with silver face in my car.no tamper dot.
Had to write the vin using pa soft. The code zcs code using dis 4.4.
I know of 3 others that have the same cluster too.

I'd guess the shop coded it wrong.

[BMWPlanetDude]

Beau,

I have some bad news for you... the mil dot will not go away since the M5 cluster cannot have your VIN (also referred to as the FGSTNR) number written to it.

You have not read that DIY, did you :-)

[Alpine 7even]

so the autologic system is a one stop recode on a late model e38-e39? oil temp lights and all?

[GSXRliterbikz]

so the autologic system is a one stop recode on a late model e38-e39? oil temp lights and all?

Nope. Only way to make the lights work is to run a x5 4.6 tune on your car.
I doubt that would be a good idea.

[MarlberCruz]

Hmmm. I have an 02 m5 with silver face in my car.no tamper dot.
Had to write the vin using pa soft. The code zcs code using dis 4.4.
I know of 3 others that have the same cluster too.

I'd guess the shop coded it wrong.

Hey GSXRliterbikz,
I also live in New England and I am interested in getting one for my 540ia in the future.
Where did you go to get your cluster programed?

[geargrinder]

Nope. Only way to make the lights work is to run a x5 4.6 tune on your car.
I doubt that would be a good idea.

Yeah and as pointed out above esp. for those w/ manuals. ECU will be looking for the tranny module and be angry when it can't find it.

You might be able to save the data space ("tune" as most call it) from the non-4.6, then restore that over the 4.6 software afterwards and have it work, or, it could also not work at all.

The 'right way' answer is as mentioned above - get a tuner to figure out what mechanism is set in the 4.6 code to have it send over CAN, however there's 2 possibilities there -
1. that it is a data space flag, which would be great and easy and could easily be retrofit, or
2. that it is truly new programming code to enable the function in which case it's much more complicated and you'd be as above - trying to retrofit the 4.4 tuning to the 4.6 program.

[age109]

Yeah and as pointed out above esp. for those w/ manuals. ECU will be looking for the tranny module and be angry when it can't find it.

You might be able to save the data space ("tune" as most call it) from the non-4.6, then restore that over the 4.6 software afterwards and have it work, or, it could also not work at all.

The 'right way' answer is as mentioned above - get a tuner to figure out what mechanism is set in the 4.6 code to have it send over CAN, however there's 2 possibilities there -
1. that it is a data space flag, which would be great and easy and could easily be retrofit, or
2. that it is truly new programming code to enable the function in which case it's much more complicated and you'd be as above - trying to retrofit the 4.4 tuning to the 4.6 program.

Its definitely a data tune difference. The newer post 01 540 auto/manual and x5 4.4 have identical programming segments. The setting is more than a flag and requires a few maps in data segment to be changed.

Us guys with 740s and older 540s have our work cut out for us. Unless there actually is a map and programming in the e38 tune to get it to work. Nextgen7 alludes to this in his other posts but no details. Our best bet is to retro our tune based of the 4.6 or even 4.4 x5. Ldp also changed to dmtl and the newer tunes expect something different than a vacuum controled pump. Euro guys don't have to worry about this. It can be disabled in us tunes but not sure that's a good idea.

Simply flashing the 4.6 tune on a US car with the older ldp will throw a ses.

[GSXRliterbikz]

Hey GSXRliterbikz, I also live in New England and I am interested in getting one for my 540ia in the future. Where did you go to get your cluster programed?

I did it myself.

[MarlberCruz]

I did it myself.

Oh, okay.

[GSXRliterbikz]

Oh, okay.

If you need coding done, I'm not too far from you.

[Alpine 7even]

Nick wanna come do mine? Lol

[GSXRliterbikz]

Nick wanna come do mine? Lol

Let me brainstorm for a bit. If you give me your zcs and vin, I might be able to do it for you.

[MarlberCruz]

If you need coding done, I'm not too far from you.

Sounds good. I'll let you know once I get the Hardware.

[se93]

Hi there to all

i would like to get somefeedback regarding an issue i am having with a replacement cluster for my E46 328ci automatic

The vehicle originally came with a motometer gauge cluster. The cluster went bad and i picked up a cluster from a 2002 E46 325ci automatic

This cluster uses the M35080 eeprom and i managed to get an xprog-m v5 programmer to reset mileage and vin but after doing so the cluster LED panel says "CodE" and have been stuck there ever since. I am looking for an alternative to resolving this issue

My question is if i source another motometer cluster from 323ci or 328ci auto or manual, would indeed BMW Scanner be able to reset VIN, transfer ZCS, reset mileage and code a manual cluster to steptronic as your M5 cluster retrofit indicates?

i would assume if the motometer eeprom is a 93S66 the above procedures could be done without any problems? Also as my car has 103400 original kilometers would i set mileage to exactly that reading so that it would fit perfectly with the light control module reading?

I would hate to buy another cluster and end up in the same situation i am in now. Any feedback you could provide with regards to this matter will be highly appreciated

regards
mark

[jdjg]

Hi there to all i would like to get somefeedback regarding an issue i am having with a replacement cluster for my E46 328ci automatic The vehicle originally came with a motometer gauge cluster. The cluster went bad and i picked up a cluster from a 2002 E46 325ci automatic This cluster uses the M35080 eeprom and i managed to get an xprog-m v5 programmer to reset mileage and vin but after doing so the cluster LED panel says "CodE" and have been stuck there ever since. I am looking for an alternative to resolving this issue My question is if i source another motometer cluster from 323ci or 328ci auto or manual, would indeed BMW Scanner be able to reset VIN, transfer ZCS, reset mileage and code a manual cluster to steptronic as your M5 cluster retrofit indicates? i would assume if the motometer eeprom is a 93S66 the above procedures could be done without any problems? Also as my car has 103400 original kilometers would i set mileage to exactly that reading so that it would fit perfectly with the light control module reading? I would hate to buy another cluster and end up in the same situation i am in now. Any feedback you could provide with regards to this matter will be highly appreciated regards mark

well, dont know what eprom have, but once, with the PASOFT I change the odometer and VIN of the e46 323ci cluster...... without a problem.....

[MarlberCruz]

Hey GSXRliterbikz,

I picked up a cluster from a european e53 X5 4.6. Its still in transit & it needs some pixel repairs but once that is done, I'll be getting in contact with you.

[GSXRliterbikz]

Hey GSXRliterbikz, I picked up a cluster from a european e53 X5 4.6. Its still in transit & it needs some pixel repairs but once that is done, I'll be getting in contact with you.

Ok. Shoot me a pm when your ready.

[Manny G.]

You have not read that DIY, did you :-)

I did,.. thats when I learned that the my cluster would not allow the reprogramming of the FGSTNR. Also tried it with an Autologic.. same issue.. VIN would not wite.

GSXR -- would you be able to help me do it?

[GSXRliterbikz]

I did,.. thats when I learned that the my cluster would not allow the reprogramming of the FGSTNR. Also tried it with an Autologic.. same issue.. VIN would not wite. GSXR -- would you be able to help me do it?

Possibly. Pasoft is what I use to write the vin. Then dis to write the zcs.
I'm going to try remotely coding a friends cluster by having him send it to me. If it works I'd happily try yours.
If not and you want to take a weekend trip up to nh.