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    It looks much better now.
    Improves how the wheels visually interact with the front so it kind of enhances your wheel choice at the same time IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatandre View Post
    Dont know if you dont need the OEM side skirts
    I'm interested to see how the new front combines with the side skirts, any chance of a better picture?
    Sorry for going off thread topic a bit too much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatandre View Post
    Dont know if you dont need the OEM side skirts
    I have the original skirts but the ACS ones look fine with the Sportfront end. I may swap them back in the future.....who knows, I may even fit the throwing stars on at some point :-)

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    You have a set of Throwing stars?
    I would say they would look good in matte black on your car

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    Yeah I have the original parts for the car. Here's another shot of the car for you.



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    Ok this looks allright!!!
    Finally washed that beauty!!

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    Looking very nice there, hope you will be at Duxford this year so I can take a closer look.

    Chad

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    OK so its time for more fun with the CSi. I decided to purchase a set of Schrick cams. I also sourced a set of M73 manfolds and downpipes. 45 euros for the lot from Lativia of all places. Looking at the manifolds they appear to be a better design than the M70/S70 cast manifold. I know all the naysayers will pipe up and start on about the poorly designed exhaust port but the manifold is an extension of that port and a restrictive iron lump is not going to help no matter what the exhaust port looks like.

    Here is a page taken from the S70 technical manual with the Schrick details added in Red. It's not that much different but its enough to give some decent gains with a few other mods.



    The M73 manifolds have the bolt spacing wrong on Cylinders #4, #5, #10 and #11 . I plan on cutting the flange then flipping it over to give the correct pattern. I'll post a picture shortly.

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    Very interesting. Let us know how it goes! Just put Schrick cams in mine, and boy they are fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4drian View Post
    Very interesting. Let us know how it goes! Just put Schrick cams in mine, and boy they are fun

    Did you remap it after fitting them?

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    Not yet. I'm running a set of CSi chips. Yours maybe? Wokke supplied them. Considering applying equal-length headers to the mix first.
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    1994 BMW 850 CiA (2017 km). My black on black Wokke'd 5.4l V12 autobahnmuncher
    1992 Donkervoort S8AT (105k km). The mad dutch "Super 7." 300hp/ton of turbo power!
    2013 VW Caravelle 4Motion (57k km). A dark wine red 180PS/400Nm 2.0 BiTDI rocketvan
    2007 SMC F-Kart 50. 88cc of street legal go-kart hilarity, and a 1968 Cadillac Coupé DeVille Convertible 472.

    "The best way to go broke-by-german-car is to buy an 8 series bmw with a v12" - Perc
    "Torque is like pron. You can't really define it, but you will recognize it." - ElToro

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    Some serious stuff going on. Cannt wait to hear the sound then Adrian

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    I'm sure my files are doing the rounds :-) is yours a 5.4 ? I
    Doubt it will be far out but it really needs to be tuned on the road with proper exhaust monitoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4drian View Post
    Not yet. I'm running a set of CSi chips. Yours maybe? Wokke supplied them. Considering applying equal-length headers to the mix first.
    I'd stick a set of modified M73 headers on there, less heat and better flow. Unless you can get hold of a set of Equal length headers that have been dyno tested then save your money.

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    I stopped into see my good friends Dan and Nathan at Lloyd specialist Developments today. They are going to modify my Headers for me. They have a really good attitude towards modifying, tell them it can't be done and they will find a way.

    http://www.lloydspecialistdevelopments.co.uk/
    Last edited by Omega man 1969; 09-12-2014 at 11:53 AM.

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    The headers from Latvia, were they RHD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega man 1969 View Post
    I'm sure my files are doing the rounds :-) is yours a 5.4 ? I
    Doubt it will be far out but it really needs to be tuned on the road with proper exhaust monitoring.

    I'd stick a set of modified M73 headers on there, less heat and better flow. Unless you can get hold of a set of Equal length headers that have been dyno tested then save your money.
    Yes, mine's a 5.4 with M70 heads and headers. What i want the most from the equal-lengths is the sound
    Current Cars:
    1994 BMW 850 CiA (2017 km). My black on black Wokke'd 5.4l V12 autobahnmuncher
    1992 Donkervoort S8AT (105k km). The mad dutch "Super 7." 300hp/ton of turbo power!
    2013 VW Caravelle 4Motion (57k km). A dark wine red 180PS/400Nm 2.0 BiTDI rocketvan
    2007 SMC F-Kart 50. 88cc of street legal go-kart hilarity, and a 1968 Cadillac Coupé DeVille Convertible 472.

    "The best way to go broke-by-german-car is to buy an 8 series bmw with a v12" - Perc
    "Torque is like pron. You can't really define it, but you will recognize it." - ElToro

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    LHD, no RHD M73's only in the E38.


    E31 850Ci Coupé, M73, Europe, AUTO (EG41) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750i Saloon, M73N, Europe, AUTO (GG01) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750i Saloon, M73, Europe, AUTO (GG21) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750i Saloon, M73N, Europe, RHD, AUTO (GG02) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750i Saloon, M73, Europe, RHD, AUTO (GG22) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750iL Saloon, M73, Europe, AUTO (GK21) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750iL Saloon, M73N, Europe, AUTO (GJ01) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750iL Saloon, M73N, Europe, RHD, AUTO (GJ02) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750iL Saloon, M73, Europe, RHD, AUTO (GK22) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750iLP Saloon, M73N, Europe, AUTO (GK91) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750iLS Saloon, M73, Europe, AUTO (GK41) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750iLS Saloon, M73N, Europe, AUTO (GK01) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750iLS Saloon, M73N, Europe, RHD, AUTO (GK02) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 750iLS Saloon, M73, Europe, RHD, AUTO (GK42) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 L7 Saloon, M73, Europe, AUTO (GK61) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 L7 Saloon, M73N, Europe, AUTO (GK81) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 L7 Saloon, M73, Europe, RHD, AUTO (GK62) : Exhaust manifold
    E38 L7 Saloon, M73N, Europe, RHD, AUTO (GK82) : Exhaust manifold

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    Just wondering as the steering box is on the other side. So it doesnt matter when it comes to the M73?
    I remember the headers on the M70 and S70 that was a UK car was different so I had to use the ones from the M70

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    no, EG91 LHD and EG92 RHD are the same part numbers.

    Part 11621708995 (Exhaust manifold) was found on the following E31 vehicles: E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, AUTO (EG21) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, AUTO (EG21) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, AUTO (EG21) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, AUTO (EG21) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, RHD, AUTO (EG22) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, RHD, AUTO (EG22) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, RHD, AUTO (EG22) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, RHD, AUTO (EG22) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, MANUAL (EG11) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, MANUAL (EG11) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, MANUAL (EG11) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, MANUAL (EG11) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, RHD, MANUAL (EG12) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, RHD, MANUAL (EG12) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, RHD, MANUAL (EG12) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850Ci Coupé, M70, Europe, RHD, MANUAL (EG12) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850CSi Coupé, S70, Europe, MANUAL (EG91) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850CSi Coupé, S70, Europe, MANUAL (EG91) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850CSi Coupé, S70, Europe, RHD, MANUAL (EG92) : Exhaust manifold
    E31 850CSi Coupé, S70, Europe, RHD, MANUAL (EG92) : Exhaust manifold

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    The down pipes will be custom anyway so its not important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4drian View Post
    Yes, mine's a 5.4 with M70 heads and headers. What i want the most from the equal-lengths is the sound
    If you want sound remove your Cats and resonator :-) you'll get plenty of sound then !!

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    Its not about being loud, but the type of sound you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega man 1969 View Post
    If you want sound remove your Cats and resonator :-) you'll get plenty of sound then !!
    I have plenty, i just like the sound of them
    Current Cars:
    1994 BMW 850 CiA (2017 km). My black on black Wokke'd 5.4l V12 autobahnmuncher
    1992 Donkervoort S8AT (105k km). The mad dutch "Super 7." 300hp/ton of turbo power!
    2013 VW Caravelle 4Motion (57k km). A dark wine red 180PS/400Nm 2.0 BiTDI rocketvan
    2007 SMC F-Kart 50. 88cc of street legal go-kart hilarity, and a 1968 Cadillac Coupé DeVille Convertible 472.

    "The best way to go broke-by-german-car is to buy an 8 series bmw with a v12" - Perc
    "Torque is like pron. You can't really define it, but you will recognize it." - ElToro

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    Nice....mine minus Cats and resonator .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPnb5boKD8

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    Both sound nice. Wish adrian had a vid like you Omega

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    :-) enough of blowing our own trumpets .

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    As a related note, I have sent a set of M70 cams off to Dbilas to get reground for install into my CSi.
    They are more aggressive again than Schrick cams.


    http://www.dbilas-shop.com/Products/...fts::5715.html

    Duration: : 266
    Peak timing: : 112
    Valve lift: : 11,0
    Lift at TDC: : 1,0
    Valve timing: : 21/65 - 65/21
    Last edited by mattsimis; 09-14-2014 at 11:02 PM.

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    Hi Alan, it will be good to see what kind of results you get. Do they give you the ramp rates ? There are so many variables to consider when deciding on a cam. I was going to have some made by Kent but decided on Schrick as I've heard some horror stories on all other cams in the m70 heads.

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    Update: The cams arrived so I started to pull the engine apart. After removing the exhaust manifold it became clear the M73 ones won't fit without a lot of work.....but....comparing the m70/s70 manifold to the m73 manifold there is very little if any difference in volume, if anything the entrance is smaller. I can see where the pproblem lies with the standard system. Where the manifold joins the down pipe there is a flange type fitting, rather than sleeve over the down pipe the fitting is pushed into the 1.75" OD down pipe restricting the flow. Internal diameter at that point is around 1.25". Using a rough guide of 2.2cfm flow per horsepower on the exhaust size this diamter gives 75hp for each manifold. That's perfect for an M70 but seriously restricting to the S70 up in the higher rpm range.

    Once the cams are in, this engine will be up in the 400+ hp range . That works out at 100+ hp per manifold or 230CFM. With the already poor exhaust ports on this head there wants to be zero back pressure at the manifold. The size is a balance, keeping back pressure low but velocity high. So my plan is to cut the flanges off the standard down pipes and weld some 1.75" internal diameter flanges on.


    I'll post some picture shortly.

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