You're absolutely right Roger but unfortunately now we have a car with "a story". I for one personally would shy away. This story has to be told everytime the car is up for sale (something the dealership should've disclosed in the ad as well). It could possibly be tough to find a buyer; A special person with no care for originality will be needed to buy this car. If this CSi was a 50-60 year-old car it would be a different story but not when it's barely reaching classic status and the car is in mint condition. Just feels wrong somehow. maybe I'm too anal I don't know...
needs a little refurbishing. not affiliated. they're cheap though
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lg...874063766.html
These are not the correct offset for an E31 and a square setup at that.
What "thumbs up" really means
From my time spent on BaT, it seems you can only get away with a respray color change if it's a vintage Porsche and you did some crazy paint-to-sample color that has a neat story behind it.
On a car like this, the dealer definitely should disclose the original paint color, if not just for good faith. Anyone knows how to do a build sheet from the VIN number these days, so why hide it.
Secondly, the dealer should find out the "story" behind the color change and include that in the description as well.
2006 R53 JCW (British Racing Green) - 1994 E31 840Ci 6spd (AVUS Blue)
2021 F56 JCW (Rebel Green) - 2000 E38 740i Sport (Titanium Silver)
2017 F26 X4 M40i (Carbon Black) - 2007 E91 328iT (Deep Green)
2012 E82 135i M Sport (Marrakesh Brown) - 2015 E84 X1 (Cashmere Silver)
2005 E53 X5 3.0i Sport (Kalahari Beige) - 2000 E36/7 M Roadster (Oxford Green)
2000 E38 740i Sport (Oxford Green) - 1999 E36 M3 Coupe (Fern Green)
1995 E31 840Ci Canadian (Oxford Green) - 2000 E36/8 M Coupe (Oxford Green)
2004 E46 330Ci (Oxford Green) - 2001 E36/8 Z3 3.0i Coupe (Oxford Green)
2002 E39 525i Sport (Oxford Green) - 2002 E36/7 M Roadster (Oxford Green)
2001 E53 X5 3.0i Sport (Oxford Green) - 2007 E63 M6 (Silver Grey)
1995 E31 840Ci (Oxford Green) - 2006 E86 M Coupe (Sepang Bronze)
2001 E39 530i Sport (Aspen Silver) - 2009 E92 M3 (Space Grey)
2001 E38 740i Sport (Sahara Beige) - 2008 E92 M3 (Melbourne Red)
2000 E38 740i Sport Canadian (Sahara Beige) - 1997 E31 850Ci (Jet Black)
ok. Didn't know that. My bad
Looks nice... I really don't like the whole respray thing... Unless it was dealer original quality by an award winner painter or something but chances are low on that one... To me 54 is like 20 too high for god knows what part of the story you aren't being told... Why did they respray it? Wreck that u won't find out about until u really dig ? Who knows... 35 is more what I would pay for that "mysterious background"
At 35 I think they would have a line around the block. The way the price have been climbing on the CSI 54 will soon look like a steal.
Last edited by G8nightman; 11-23-2016 at 10:40 PM.
Color aside, I think the price is very fair for the mileage and service history. If I were in the market for a CSi and blue color was the driving factor...I would definitely consider it.
CB42366 - 1991 850i 6-speed. Brilliantrot & Black Nappa Leather
CD00144 - 1994 850CSi. Hellrot & Black Nappa Leather
My other projects:
Supercharged Tbirds, V8 Tbirds, V8 Mustang Convertible, Audi V8 Quattro & Audi S8
Of course, the respray necessitated the removal of the trunk lid "850 CSi" badging, which hasn't been reinstated.
Also, I believe the high-gloss finish in the engine bay is not authentic - they generally have a low-sheen finish in there, don't they?
Interior looks to be in great condition.
The price to me seems reasonable for such a low mileage, immaculate looking CSi.....could be a $65k to $70k car if it still had the original paint.
Current:
1994 E31 850CSi Sterlingsilber/Anthracite Buffalo
Previous:
1987 E28 M5 Delphin
1986 E23 M745iA Arctic Blue
1986 E24 635CSi Polaris
1976 E3 3.0 Si Arctic Blue
True about the engine bay... There shouldn't be too many layers, if any, of clear coat there...
better shiny blue than white.
CB42366 - 1991 850i 6-speed. Brilliantrot & Black Nappa Leather
CD00144 - 1994 850CSi. Hellrot & Black Nappa Leather
My other projects:
Supercharged Tbirds, V8 Tbirds, V8 Mustang Convertible, Audi V8 Quattro & Audi S8
Interesting chat on the colour change.
If the car car was white (very rare) and was resprayed in the original colour to a very high standard, would that not be a good thing?
20 years of weather,and general wear and tear on a cars paint can take its toll.
Is it the change of colour colour that is the issue or just the repaint?
Last edited by hmg66; 11-25-2016 at 02:29 PM.
To me it's more of the change in color that is an issue.
Not sure if it's for sale over here too?
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C771784
To me, it's the fact that the car was likely taken apart for proper painting (one hopes)... I think most collectors of low production cars really like to see original paint and original assembly. As soon as I see 're-sprayed' I think of all the trim pieces that had to come out, windows in some cases, body panels removed, potential for over-spray etc... Not to mention the extra attention that is needed on a white to blue color change. I know that there are some Ferrari paint specialty houses out there that charge $60k-$100K for masterful 6-12 month long paint jobs which could actually increase the value of the car in the end. But without more knowledge on this BMW's paint job, it does leave a potential buyer hesitant.
BTW, did we find out exactly what blue it is BTW? Hopefully it's not some non-BMW paint color! My guesses are:
Orientblau (very likely candidate)
Nachtblau (the 1 of 1 Nicole Kidman/Tom Cruise M73 car)
Lazerblau (used for BMW Individual program)
Sorrentblau (used for BMW Individual program)
Marineblau (Porsche 928 color used for BMW Individual program)
To be honest, the photos are so crappy, that I'm not even sure it's a metallic paint or not! All the colors above are metallics.
2006 R53 JCW (British Racing Green) - 1994 E31 840Ci 6spd (AVUS Blue)
2021 F56 JCW (Rebel Green) - 2000 E38 740i Sport (Titanium Silver)
2017 F26 X4 M40i (Carbon Black) - 2007 E91 328iT (Deep Green)
2012 E82 135i M Sport (Marrakesh Brown) - 2015 E84 X1 (Cashmere Silver)
2005 E53 X5 3.0i Sport (Kalahari Beige) - 2000 E36/7 M Roadster (Oxford Green)
2000 E38 740i Sport (Oxford Green) - 1999 E36 M3 Coupe (Fern Green)
1995 E31 840Ci Canadian (Oxford Green) - 2000 E36/8 M Coupe (Oxford Green)
2004 E46 330Ci (Oxford Green) - 2001 E36/8 Z3 3.0i Coupe (Oxford Green)
2002 E39 525i Sport (Oxford Green) - 2002 E36/7 M Roadster (Oxford Green)
2001 E53 X5 3.0i Sport (Oxford Green) - 2007 E63 M6 (Silver Grey)
1995 E31 840Ci (Oxford Green) - 2006 E86 M Coupe (Sepang Bronze)
2001 E39 530i Sport (Aspen Silver) - 2009 E92 M3 (Space Grey)
2001 E38 740i Sport (Sahara Beige) - 2008 E92 M3 (Melbourne Red)
2000 E38 740i Sport Canadian (Sahara Beige) - 1997 E31 850Ci (Jet Black)
I really hate these dealer ads that copy descriptions from car mags. We know what the car was, tell us what kind of shape it's in now and what has been repaired and what hasn't.
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Jeremy Smith
94 840Ci
98 Porsche 986
02 Mini Cooper
13 Ford F150 Platinum
Doesn't look like either Montreal or Mauritius Blue - my vote would be Orient going by the pics
Yea no kidding... Been searching out a new car these past 4 weeks and I can't tell you how many times that exact statement has gone through my head. I hate it when they list all the standard specs too, page after bloody page....and little or no comments about the car's owner history or maintenance.
"I'm not buying that damn 850CSi unless it has power windows and lighted vanity mirrors; it's a good thing they have those options listed!"
2006 R53 JCW (British Racing Green) - 1994 E31 840Ci 6spd (AVUS Blue)
2021 F56 JCW (Rebel Green) - 2000 E38 740i Sport (Titanium Silver)
2017 F26 X4 M40i (Carbon Black) - 2007 E91 328iT (Deep Green)
2012 E82 135i M Sport (Marrakesh Brown) - 2015 E84 X1 (Cashmere Silver)
2005 E53 X5 3.0i Sport (Kalahari Beige) - 2000 E36/7 M Roadster (Oxford Green)
2000 E38 740i Sport (Oxford Green) - 1999 E36 M3 Coupe (Fern Green)
1995 E31 840Ci Canadian (Oxford Green) - 2000 E36/8 M Coupe (Oxford Green)
2004 E46 330Ci (Oxford Green) - 2001 E36/8 Z3 3.0i Coupe (Oxford Green)
2002 E39 525i Sport (Oxford Green) - 2002 E36/7 M Roadster (Oxford Green)
2001 E53 X5 3.0i Sport (Oxford Green) - 2007 E63 M6 (Silver Grey)
1995 E31 840Ci (Oxford Green) - 2006 E86 M Coupe (Sepang Bronze)
2001 E39 530i Sport (Aspen Silver) - 2009 E92 M3 (Space Grey)
2001 E38 740i Sport (Sahara Beige) - 2008 E92 M3 (Melbourne Red)
2000 E38 740i Sport Canadian (Sahara Beige) - 1997 E31 850Ci (Jet Black)
Looks like that nice Dinan car was relisted at a much higher price :/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-BMW-8-S...m=122227244679
That is one stunning 8er.
Damn forgot to post this one... Just got the sold notification from ebay... A rare '93 6 speed in Mauritius blue:
Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/172414678216
Went for just under $20k, not a bad deal for both parties I think. Dinan exhaust and decently low mileage too.
2006 R53 JCW (British Racing Green) - 1994 E31 840Ci 6spd (AVUS Blue)
2021 F56 JCW (Rebel Green) - 2000 E38 740i Sport (Titanium Silver)
2017 F26 X4 M40i (Carbon Black) - 2007 E91 328iT (Deep Green)
2012 E82 135i M Sport (Marrakesh Brown) - 2015 E84 X1 (Cashmere Silver)
2005 E53 X5 3.0i Sport (Kalahari Beige) - 2000 E36/7 M Roadster (Oxford Green)
2000 E38 740i Sport (Oxford Green) - 1999 E36 M3 Coupe (Fern Green)
1995 E31 840Ci Canadian (Oxford Green) - 2000 E36/8 M Coupe (Oxford Green)
2004 E46 330Ci (Oxford Green) - 2001 E36/8 Z3 3.0i Coupe (Oxford Green)
2002 E39 525i Sport (Oxford Green) - 2002 E36/7 M Roadster (Oxford Green)
2001 E53 X5 3.0i Sport (Oxford Green) - 2007 E63 M6 (Silver Grey)
1995 E31 840Ci (Oxford Green) - 2006 E86 M Coupe (Sepang Bronze)
2001 E39 530i Sport (Aspen Silver) - 2009 E92 M3 (Space Grey)
2001 E38 740i Sport (Sahara Beige) - 2008 E92 M3 (Melbourne Red)
2000 E38 740i Sport Canadian (Sahara Beige) - 1997 E31 850Ci (Jet Black)
From December 2016, Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car article "Coupe Troop" The byline is: "Our potted survey of some of the more interesting prestige coupes available for your driving pleasure". 'Wonder how they got the "average" price...not that I'm complaining. I particularly liked the last sentence. All of you with that oversized engine - take note!
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And another winner!!!! In the same issue (December 2016) of Hemming Sports & Exotics Car an article on the HS&EC Car show in Saratoga Spa State Park in August, 2016. This '95 CSi is the "Favorite Modern Exotic" winner. This, in my opinion, trumps (sorry) all the other country specific, or mark specific, exotic winners in the show as the category "Favorite Modern Exotic" pretty much covers all bases. 'Way to go, Charles! There were 16 noted categories and a 1968 BMW 1600 took "Favorite Import". Good day for the Roundel crowd.
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