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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotcH View Post
    Factory harness cleaned ready for install.
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    So that has 2 power, grounds, 2 pressure sensors, wires to go to the rear wheel speed sensors, plugs for the front speed sensors? What is the coiled up wires leading to the plug on the top left? Yaw sensor? Do the 2 powers go to the same feed, or is 1 switched and the other not? What amperage of fuse did you use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakermac View Post
    So that has 2 power, grounds, 2 pressure sensors, wires to go to the rear wheel speed sensors, plugs for the front speed sensors? What is the coiled up wires leading to the plug on the top left? Yaw sensor? Do the 2 powers go to the same feed, or is 1 switched and the other not? What amperage of fuse did you use?
    The computer actually gets 3 power inputs. 2 30A and 1 5A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakermac View Post
    So that has 2 power, grounds, 2 pressure sensors, wires to go to the rear wheel speed sensors, plugs for the front speed sensors? What is the coiled up wires leading to the plug on the top left? Yaw sensor? Do the 2 powers go to the same feed, or is 1 switched and the other not? What amperage of fuse did you use?
    When I have a minute, I'll post all my notes and schematics, but to answer your questions:

    - the 2 main +12 both go to the main power off the kill switch, I used 30A fuses for both (valve and pump power)
    - switched +12 for the ABS electronics (on a switch for the driver)
    - 2 pressure sensors
    - 4 wheel speed sensors (the twisted pair wires)
    - 1 can bus wire pair plug
    - 1 plug with digital outs for rear wheel speeds (not hooked up right now)
    - Yaw sensor plug (top left)
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    Do you have the E36 t-fitting part numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmw16 View Post
    Do you have the E36 t-fitting part numbers?
    34341111435 ??

    http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/part...&q=34341111435

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    Are the E46 M3 wheel speed sensors mechanically a direct bolt in to the E36 sensor locations? Other than wiring/connectors is there any other mods necessary? Swap rear for rear, front for front? This is one of the 2 things I need to complete my swap and was about to pull the trigger on buying some.

    And does anyone have a spare brake pressure sensor (MC mounted one)? I need one of those too.
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    Front sensors are plug and play. Not sure in rears, but my guess is yes.
    It's not speed that kills, it's the speed difference that does. Obviously you aren't going fast enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakermac View Post
    Are the E46 M3 wheel speed sensors mechanically a direct bolt in to the E36 sensor locations? Other than wiring/connectors is there any other mods necessary? Swap rear for rear, front for front? This is one of the 2 things I need to complete my swap and was about to pull the trigger on buying some.

    And does anyone have a spare brake pressure sensor (MC mounted one)? I need one of those too.
    aliexpress sells the sensors for like $50. Just be sure to pair them when you replace them via the EDIBAS of whatever tool you're using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gobuffs View Post
    Front sensors are plug and play. Not sure in rears, but my guess is yes.
    The rears are not plug and play. If you want to use them you're going to need a spacer/standoff of 0.3095 in (7.8613 mm) to get the proper spacing from the tone ring.

    Parts used for the sample measurement - parts a not specific to the year, but given as a reference:

    '95 M3 Rear Wheel Speed Sensor
    '95 M3 Half Shaft
    '98 M3 Trailing Arm
    '03 330i Rear Wheel Speed Sensor
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW Mdrei View Post
    The rears are not plug and play. If you want to use them you're going to need a spacer/standoff of 0.3095 in (7.8613 mm) to get the proper spacing from the tone ring.

    Parts used for the sample measurement - parts a not specific to the year, but given as a reference:

    '95 M3 Rear Wheel Speed Sensor
    '95 M3 Half Shaft
    '98 M3 Trailing Arm
    '03 330i Rear Wheel Speed Sensor
    Interesting. Rear blue plug sensors (I think from an E46 M3) were a direct bolt on to my 95 M3 trailing arms. DSC and Mk60 ABS have been working great for 5k miles with no errors. The fronts were bolt on as well.

    All I had to do electrically was remove the keying from the plugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bimmerman535i View Post
    Interesting. Rear blue plug sensors (I think from an E46 M3) were a direct bolt on to my 95 M3 trailing arms. DSC and Mk60 ABS have been working great for 5k miles with no errors. The fronts were bolt on as well.

    All I had to do electrically was remove the keying from the plugs.
    I'm just going off what I have on hand - my ZHP needed a right rear wheel speed sensor so I measured it. When I start putting the system together I'm going to document the part numbers along with pictures.

    Note:

    I just took a look at the ECS Tuning website and found a diffrence between the 330i and M3. if you pay attention to the sensor length the 330i is a bit longer compared to the M3...

    I'll retract my statement until I have the wheel speed sensors in hand, but when I order the fronts I'm going to use the sensors from the Z3 MK60 unless someone can give me more information on the front fitment - E36 with E46 sensor.

    330i:

    https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-33...ear/ES2580688/

    M3:

    https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-M3...ear/ES1884336/
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    Random question

    Where are you gents sourcing the wiring connectors for everything? Just cutting them from an e46 chassis harness or is there a place to buy the connectors and pins new? Haven't had much luck on either front yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckpitt55 View Post
    Random question

    Where are you gents sourcing the wiring connectors for everything? Just cutting them from an e46 chassis harness or is there a place to buy the connectors and pins new? Haven't had much luck on either front yet.
    I bought them from GetBMWParts but any place that sells OEM BMW stuff will have what you need. The part numbers you'll need to build the harness are as follows

    61 13 6 954 574 - Main 47POL connector
    61 13 6 901 739 - Main connector lock
    61 13 8 383 300 - DSC connector
    61 13 8 365 348 - Pressure sensor connector (QTY 2 REQ)*
    61 13 1 392 246 - Wheel speed connector (QTY 4 REQ)*
    61 13 8 364 846 - Large contact connector (QTY 4 REQ)**
    61 13 6 901 726 - Small contact connector (QTY 35 REQ)**
    61 13 8 372 628 - Large sealing grommet (QTY 4 REQ)**
    61 13 8 366 245 - Medium sealing grommet (QTY 30 REQ)**
    61 13 8 366 245 - Small sealing grommet (QTY 5 REQ)**
    61 13 8 373 323 - OBD plug housing cover
    61 13 8 380 698 - OBD connector
    61 13 8 366 598 - OBD Pins (QTY 10 REQ)**

    * You may need to use a small file to modify the connectors slightly
    ** Order extras, odds are you'll screw a few up and they are hard to salvage. Personally I'd double up on that stuff if you're paying for shipping already.

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    you are the man. thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogeren View Post
    Z3 sensor not bolton for e30 in the rear arms. 4 mm too short. Needs to "adjust"(grind) the mounting tabs on sensors, or machine off the mounting point in the arm. Needs to remove 4mm.
    Thanks for this information. I also talked with jimmypet and he ground the sensors down, so that's what I did as well. These are the Z3 3.0 sensors.

    ABS works now.

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    I have this ticking/clicking noise from the mk60 unit when powered up. It sounds like one solenoid working. If I press the brake it speeds up for about 3s to then slow down.

    The brake pressure sensors are not at fault, they both give 0.45v on the signal cable with no pressure applied. I guess that’s normal?

    the unit seems to work. Is sends speed outputs on all 4 wheels to my haltech ecu.
    i haven’t had time to test drive it because the car isn’t ready. Need to connect with inpa and see. Any one had the same thing with solenoid noise from it and everything was fine?

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    I have finally wired the abs light in with a pullup 2700ohm resistor and a light diod.

    My light is obviously on when the unit is off and when I power it up it still stays on. So something is wrong for sure.
    I gues by looking at that diagram that pin44 when unit is turned on and there is no errors it will ground so the diod won’t get any power and the light goes off. I’m I thinking right?
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    Follow up!

    abs works.
    still some air in the system. But it works well.
    still have that ticking solenoid noise. I have no idea why because all sensors are ok in inpa and no error codes except for the 3 canbus ones and a vin code error. I guess that’s because my gyro is from another car.

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    Question for MoTeC brains out there about this:

    Can the Mk60 ABS be fed into the ECU (M84 MoTeC) to integrate with the M84 traction control capabilities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JS154 View Post
    Question for MoTeC brains out there about this:

    Can the Mk60 ABS be fed into the ECU (M84 MoTeC) to integrate with the M84 traction control capabilities?
    Not unless the Motec has 2 seperate can buses that can run at different speeds. The Mk60 runs at 500kbit, so won't work directly with the 1mbit can bus. But, the Mk60 does have wheel speed outs on it, so if you have 4 wheel speed channels on your Motec, you can feed those and use for TC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JS154 View Post
    Question for MoTeC brains out there about this:

    Can the Mk60 ABS be fed into the ECU (M84 MoTeC) to integrate with the M84 traction control capabilities?
    Pretty sure I have one of the emulators that was being sold some years back sitting with an entire box of Mk60 parts that I'd intended to put in my E30M3. Never got around to it. gobuffs had a bunch of posts in this thread about it, but I haven't gone back to remind myself of limitations...

    (Let me know if you get to the point if you want to check any of it out)
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    the M84 does have 4 wheel speed inputs.
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    You should be about to get all four speeds at 1mb via Canbus.
    You may need to do some bit masking on Front Left, which I did in a CDL3

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    I’ve been told that it’s normal with the ticking sound from the m3 e46 mk60.
    i have 2 units now. Both do the sound and works

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    Anyone have the canbus protocol for it?

    could you get wheel speed at 1mb?

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