Page 1 of 74 12345678910112651 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 1844

Thread: Noob Drift Build :) - E36 turbo

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    6,090
    My Cars
    S13, Turbo M3

    Noob Drift Build :) - E36 turbo

    Hi guys, finally decided a direction with my new build...

    little backstory... I'm Mike, I'm a 21 year old architectural engineering student at UT. I love cars and have been around them all my life, and I've been to quite a few local drift events (but NEVER driven any...). I love sliding, with the little I have done at auto-x and track days, but I am looking to jump with both feet in and start doing events.

    I have/had build a 500whp turbo M3 that I DD'd that was stripped, tracked, auto-x'd, etc.

    I recently bought a prepared E36 chassis, that is fully seam welded, caged, etc. from Oklahoma. I am currently in the process of swapping everything from my street car over to this car, and making it the ultimate E36 track/drift toy.

    Here are some pics of the current progress. I started the tear down of my street car on Monday sept 12 at 3:30 PM. (it was still on the ground and running then).



























    Little run down of the build so far:

    -cage is fully SCCA XP legal (the auto-x class i run)
    -tied into front and rear shocktowers, tied into RTAB pockets and rear subframe mounts.
    -front subframe reinforced with weld in plates
    -rear subframe mount points reinforced with weld in plates
    -rtab pocket reinforcements
    -jack points on each side built into cage
    -84.5mm M52 with S50 crank/cams/head, 8.5 :1 wisecos, eagle rods, .080 MLS, ARP2000s
    -ZF 5 speed
    -Southbend stage 5 clutch / F1 16 lb steel flywheel
    -TRM coilovers
    -Sean love full angle kit ( just ordered..) E46 arms, spindle adapters, tie rods.. waiting on that before the front suspension is on
    -E32 750 i CES 210mm diff and conversion kit
    -turner solid mounts (engine, trans, subframe, diff)
    -AKG stage 2 race shifter
    -AIM MXL pista dash
    -in the group buy for the secondary drift caliper bracket so will have that setup with a hydro as well

    I'm really really motivated to get this thing done, and so far have the engine/trans/front subframe/shifter / steering / brake booster swapped over. Need to sort the wiring and thin it out a ton (I never did that on the black car) and then swap it all over and button the engine/front end back up. Then rear subframe mods, fuel tank, fuel lines, rear brake lines, etc. etc. I'll be posting pictures every day of progress, and will get back to the wiring later today when I get off work

    Still haven't had a free weekend yet to work on it, so school and work every day doesn't permit as much time as I would like. The weekend (tomorrow) is where the real progress starts

    I realize you don't NEED any of this to drift... but I don't do moderation. Everything I've ever done has always been over the top and overbuilt, and I like it that way. So in a month or two you'll see noobs of me learning to drift in this thing, which will be hilarious for the first few events I'm sure

    Thanks for looking!

    -Mike
    Last edited by MikeE36; 09-16-2011 at 05:15 PM.
    IG: @mikevanshellenbeck

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    SO cold in the D
    Posts
    178
    My Cars
    1993 325is coupe
    You're gonna cry when you up that shell ... should've mangled the original one first! But I love how the cage is tied into the subframe mounts. Good luck & keep the updates coming.
    Last edited by MauiM3Mania; 02-25-2012 at 11:37 AM. Reason: profanity

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    518
    Posts
    12,720
    My Cars
    Dicktone Limo
    This thing will make for a nasty drift toy. Actually, any decent DE setup makes for a perfect drift rat, only thing you might want to change as you progress is rear camber (only reason I say this is I know most grip guys run more than -2* rear camber, ideally you'll want ~-1* as I've found).

    I'd recommend sliding around something n/a, or at least lower powered first, but you seem to have a pretty good handle on car control already. You'll just have a steeper learning curve than most others just starting out with the big power, (presumably) big rubber, and knuckles.

    Just go easy on initiations first, get a feel for how the car behaves during a slide and on transitions, then start going big on initiations.

    Only other thing I can add is if you plan on being competitive, try to get a copy of the Formula D rule book (it's tough) to make sure your cage meets FD specs.

    Happy drifting bro! Don't get too attached to the pretty bits on the car (body panels included). This is drifting...it's not a matter of if...it's when.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Downtown Los Angeles
    Posts
    1,109
    My Cars
    03 M3
    hah I love the fact that you overbuild and go over the top, I have always been that way. Better to have it set up for when you do get good, which is clearly always the plan I do the same thing with everything I get too. People usually talk shit at first from my experience, but they get over it :p I am currently preparing my car, not in the same extreme as you of course, but I have gone with the best I can knowing full well that I absolutely love cars and driving them and have a competitive personality so I can't wait to start tracking this thing

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Downtown Los Angeles
    Posts
    1,109
    My Cars
    03 M3
    love it hah! I generally overdo anything I get into as well! Can't wait to start auto-x'ing / tracking / drifting my car, your car is amazing though.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    6,090
    My Cars
    S13, Turbo M3
    Quote Originally Posted by DHutch View Post
    You're gonna cry when you that shell ... should've mangled the original one first! But I love how the cage is tied into the subframe mounts. Good luck & keep the updates coming.
    Yeah, I should've phrased that I don't ever plan to be "competitive" per se, this is mainly a Friday toy / DE toy / auto-x toy / drift toy... It won't be in a bunch of intense tandem battles / danger any time soon. (maybe eventually)

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyfizzle View Post
    This thing will make for a nasty drift toy. Actually, any decent DE setup makes for a perfect drift rat, only thing you might want to change as you progress is rear camber (only reason I say this is I know most grip guys run more than -2* rear camber, ideally you'll want ~-1* as I've found).

    I'd recommend sliding around something n/a, or at least lower powered first, but you seem to have a pretty good handle on car control already. You'll just have a steeper learning curve than most others just starting out with the big power, (presumably) big rubber, and knuckles.

    Just go easy on initiations first, get a feel for how the car behaves during a slide and on transitions, then start going big on initiations.

    Happy drifting bro! Don't get too attached to the pretty bits on the car (body panels included). This is drifting...it's not a matter of if...it's when.

    Oh, and keep an eye on those solid mounts, and the trans crossmember running them. I've heard of a lot of guys breaking the crossmember with solids, also I've seen the studs back out of the mounts. No bueno.
    Thanks for the tips! I usually run -2.5 F, -1.5 R. We'll see how much Sean's angle kit changes the front camber though. surely I'll be realigning it as soon as I get it on the ground and under it's own power. Thanks for the tips! Yeah the body is already pretty dinged up (but surely not like a true drift car yet). I decided to not have it painted and such beforehand, accepting the fact that it's a track /drift rat and not a show car It's going to have a lot of power yes, (600+whp) so I'm sure there will be plenty of spins...

    Thanks for the tips on the solid mounts, I will be checking over this thing thoroughly after each track day / drift event for sure, as the power and stresses on everything are going to be immense for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by 535iDan View Post
    hah I love the fact that you overbuild and go over the top, I have always been that way. Better to have it set up for when you do get good, which is clearly always the plan I do the same thing with everything I get too. People usually talk shit at first from my experience, but they get over it :p I am currently preparing my car, not in the same extreme as you of course, but I have gone with the best I can knowing full well that I absolutely love cars and driving them and have a competitive personality so I can't wait to start tracking this thing
    Thanks! I just love building something way over the top and every mod encourages me to do more... One little suspension change or improvement, and I want to go all the way in that direction, if that makes sense.


    -Mike
    Last edited by MauiM3Mania; 02-25-2012 at 11:36 AM. Reason: profanity
    IG: @mikevanshellenbeck

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    85
    My Cars
    93 850ci, Turbo S52 e30
    Nice man!

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    6,090
    My Cars
    S13, Turbo M3
    Last couple hours:

    wiring blah...



    engine harness out (the easy part!!)



    what's left



    -Mike
    IG: @mikevanshellenbeck

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Burbank, SoCal
    Posts
    92
    My Cars
    e60 528i, e36 m3
    Subscribed! Looking forward to videos.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Danbury, CT
    Posts
    1,067
    My Cars
    E30 M3, E36
    So jelly. Wish I could have this talent.
    USMC...R
    Current: 1988 M3 Alpine
    1995 325i hellrot
    2013 Suzuki DRZ400SM
    Past:1993 325is 5MT Alpine
    1996 328is 5MT Swartz
    2007 350z Touring MT
    2007 Volvo S40 T5 AWD 6MT
    2011 Honda Ruckus
    2007 Honda CBR1000RR Repsol
    2005 Triumph Speed Triple
    2006 Suzuki GSX-R600
    2003 Honda CBR 600RR

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    6,090
    My Cars
    S13, Turbo M3
    drink break, more wiring bogus







    Dropping rear subframe now to get to the rear ABS wheel speed sensor connections, then i'll have the entire chassis harness out and can start thinning it out tomorrow. I'll honestly probably have to speed all weekend on wiring. There is SO much

    -Mike
    IG: @mikevanshellenbeck

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    West Chester, PA
    Posts
    5,744
    My Cars
    98 M3
    I'm excited to see the final product... should turn out nice.


  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    2,283
    My Cars
    E46 M3, Pro Street W-30
    looks good. see, nothin to it!

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    6,090
    My Cars
    S13, Turbo M3




    Worked on the wiring for quite awhile.... SO tedious.. Thinned it out a fair amount but I need to research on what I need to keep and whatnot a bit more.

    I removed the rear subframe and suspension, but I can't pull it all the way out because I forgot how to completely pull out the ebrake cables. Can anyone remember / tell me how to pull them? I disconnected from the ebrake handle, but they are caught in the "tubes" of the chassis and won't slide out the back further. What am I missing?

    Plan for tomorrow:

    more wiring work.
    install solid subframe mounts and solid diff mounts
    swap fuel tank and fuel lines
    install clutch/brake pedals if I still have any time

    -Mike
    IG: @mikevanshellenbeck

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    6,090
    My Cars
    S13, Turbo M3
    got the rear subframe out and disassembled this morning.... pulled all the powerflex out after 2 years they still look great.

    Getting pissed off at these solid mounts though.... it's impossible to press them in straight it seems. Not sure what to do so just temporarily not doing anything. Maybe I need to read more DIYs on them for tips.





















    Maybe I'll go work on something else for awhile, like the fuel tank and lines while I figure out a better method to pressing in these bushings. I have a hydraulic press I can use but the bottom edge of the subframe is not parallel to the top edge, so if you rest the bottom of the subframe mount on a board or something and press the bushing in, it is bound to go in crooked. Not sure what to do.

    -Mike
    IG: @mikevanshellenbeck

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    650
    My Cars
    e36 m3 rip, e36 truck :D
    this thing's gonna be sexxxxy.

    VROOOOOOOM

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Lakeland Florida
    Posts
    1,478
    My Cars
    1999 328ic , 2002 325xi
    holy double posts batman, looks like the forum is borked

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    962
    My Cars
    e34 528i/5
    Quote Originally Posted by imaiami View Post
    this thing's gonna be sexxxxy.
    This.



  19. #19
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    6,090
    My Cars
    S13, Turbo M3
    fuel tank and lines swapped over, and rear brake hard lines







    And now I'm at a crossroads... I hate being stuck!!!

    1) rear solid subframe bushings, well everything press-in actually... I don't want to damage anything and it seems I may not have the best press for the job. IF anyone has tips on how to make these easier, please let me know! I only see vague installation instructions like "make sure surface is clean, install from bottom of subframe."

    2) After thinking about working on the wiring more, I was looking at the front of the car and realized the cage is in the way of where the fuse box mounts Also the previous owner wasn't planning on running ABS, so he cut the mounting tabs off where the BMW ABS pump mounts.. as well as all the grounding locations for the ABS wheel speed sensors in the wheel wells. Do I just make my own aftermarket harness? buy something online? I'm not sure what to do here, or just keep thinning it and relocate the fuse box (which is gigantic) to somewhere behind the dash if I somehow have extra space (was really hoping I could keep the wiring clean enough to not even have to run a dash, but looks like that definitely won't happen)

    Time to research a bit I guess. LAME!

    -Mike
    IG: @mikevanshellenbeck

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    518
    Posts
    12,720
    My Cars
    Dicktone Limo
    Fusebox is pretty unfortunate, but ABS is far from ideal in a drift car. No ABS is ideal just because with brake application sideways you can lock all four wheels pretty easy. Braking with ABS=the car wanting to straighten up=potential to regain traction suddenly=playing in the grass or with a wall.

    If you run r-comps/slicks at DE's this might suck because you have a pretty good chance of flat spotting them when they're cold with a good high speed press.
    Last edited by bennyfizzle; 09-17-2011 at 09:52 PM.

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    555
    My Cars
    97 bmw 320, 94 bmwm3
    forget avout the abs, it will kill you if you spin out.
    does not work at all backwards...
    awsome build btw!

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    6,090
    My Cars
    S13, Turbo M3
    Quote Originally Posted by bennyfizzle View Post
    Fusebox is pretty unfortunate, but ABS is far from ideal in a drift car. No ABS is ideal just because with brake application sideways you can lock all four wheels pretty easy. Braking with ABS=the car wanting to straighten up=potential to regain traction suddenly=playing in the grass or with a wall.

    If you run r-comps/slicks at DE's this might suck because you have a pretty good chance of flat spotting them when they're cold with a good high speed press.
    I'm all for deleting the ABS, and will be happy to thin out the wiring harness more without the ABS computer, wheel speed sensors, etc. The question now is, how do I delete it? I have the lines run, but no ABS pump installed, and the brake booster is installed. I've never deleted ABS before, so what is involved?

    Quote Originally Posted by s50b30 View Post
    forget avout the abs, it will kill you if you spin out.
    does not work at all backwards...
    awsome build btw!
    Thanks!


    A little more wiring progress tonight:





    What i've removed so far:



    The forum member building my manifold (GoodnTight) sent me pictures of it all bolted up while he works on the downpipe. It is a Precision 6765 dual ball bearing billet, T4 twin scroll, full 4" downpipe, 4" intake, 3" outlets.









    -Mike
    IG: @mikevanshellenbeck

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    555
    My Cars
    97 bmw 320, 94 bmwm3
    I dont remember exactly how the brakes are plumbed.
    but the abs pump has 2(?) inputs or so, so just T the lines and remove the pump.
    Not sure, but its something like that...

    Also I think the input ports on the abs is marked, so that should make things a little easier.

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Lakeland Florida
    Posts
    1,478
    My Cars
    1999 328ic , 2002 325xi
    Seriously this is gonna be hard to learn in, the combination of Huge turbo + Huge Power + Big Steering angle = Steep ass learning curve.

    I know it would probably take me 3-6 months to figure out how to drive that car to even 80% of what its capable of and I have been drifting for damn near 7 years.
    Last edited by MauiM3Mania; 02-25-2012 at 11:34 AM. Reason: profanity

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    western,MA
    Posts
    1,219
    My Cars
    87 swapp e30,boosted e36
    Quote Originally Posted by Piner View Post
    Seriously this is gonna be hard to learn in, the combination of Huge turbo + Huge Power + Big Steering angle = Steep ass learning curve.

    I know it would probably take me 3-6 months to figure out how to drive that car to even 80% of what its capable of and I have been drifting for damn near 7 years.
    this is true, i know from experience just going from a stock s50 with just coilovers and no angle mods, and going to a gt35r turbo and basically a full angle kit , even that was a decent learning curve,
    Last edited by MauiM3Mania; 02-25-2012 at 11:33 AM. Reason: profanity

    Jacques Cousteau could never get this low

Page 1 of 74 12345678910112651 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •