A Rare Bird: The E30 Baur

[Baurpower]

I have a 1984 323i TC2. I had recently bought the car and have loved it, im located the the Harford county,Md area. i was wondering if there were any other Baurs close?

[BMWtyro]

Welcome, Baurpower!

Actually yes, there is another Baur owner fairly close to you. Search TomDC on this forum; I believe that he lives in MD, or possibly NoVA. He owns a Bronzit 1983 323i.

A good resource for you would be the U.S. Baur TC2 GoogleMap by tomscat1: https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...d247cd43&msa=0
Be sure to ask tomscat1 to add you to it -- and be sure to provide him with your Baur number for his registry, too.

I'm certain that we are all anxious to see photos of your car as soon as you are permitted to post them. In the meanitme, ask us anything -- some know a lot about these cars (such as The Pooleman and thejlevie); others not so much (such as I!).

Jeff

[tomscat1]

Not sure if you guys have seen this yet or not, posted on Facebook by Classic and Vintage BMW:

BMW Baur ix (BMW E30)

[FONT='lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif]Wie teuer war mein Baur? Preisliste aus dem Jahr 1988.[/FONT]

How much was my Baur? Pricelist from 1988

http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/2012/11/baur-tc2-pricelist-1988.html

[BMWtyro]

Tom,

Thanks!

Do those two columns represent dealer cost and suggested retail, respectively?

And in what currency? Deutschmarks? U.S. dollars? Something else?

Jeff

[tomscat1]

DM = Deutschmarks.

The second column shows a 14% increase. I am not sure what that is. We need someone to translate that for us.

That is quite a wide spread between the 316i and the 325ix!

[THEPOOLEMAN]

I have a 1984 323i TC2. I had recently bought the car and have loved it, im located the the Harford county,Md area. i was wondering if there were any other Baurs close?

Welcome, Congratulations on you recent purchase of a Baur, If you wouldnt mind taking a moment and adding you information to a thread I started last summer that would be great. Here's a link to the thread. http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...highlight=baur



Tom,
very interesting price list, It looks like the DM vs the $ back was a good exchange rate from dollars to DM @ the average of 1.76 marks to dollar !

[Baur]

Those 14% is the MwSt. Merhwertsteuer -> this is a sort of taxes which have to be paid on everything. There are two stages; the low for something you really need (food, clothes) and a higher for luxury articles.

Nowadays, the low is 7% in Germany and the high 19%.

These taxes are meant for the "living" user. With this, I mean to say; if I buy this car, I have to pay these taxes. But if my company (it will become my companycar), I don't have to pay these taxes.

Gr Jeroen

[BMWtyro]

Jeroen,

Great to hear from you again; thanks for that clarification.

That MwSt. Merhwertsteuer tax sounds criminal. It is the sort of thing they want to force upon us over here in the U.S. as well. One politcal party calls it "FairTax"; the other calls it "Value Added Tax" ("VAT"). Either way, it amounts to the same rip-off.

Jeff

[Baur]

Hi Jeff,

Let's tell you something about buying a car in the Netherlands. Allthough it's now changing a bit.

First of all, you have to pay the BTW (Dutch MwSt.). And after that, you have to pay BPM, a special tax meant only for vehicles.

So, let's say you buy a car that costs €20.000,-
First you have to pay 21% BTW
Makes €24.200,-
Than the BPM. This is 40% - €1288,-
Makes €32592,-
So this makes €12592,- on taxes. And then the taxes you pay on using the car (about €600-€800 a year, for a normal familycar)

To make it a bit easier: a 325iX Baur TC costet Fl. 89.750,- in the Netherlands in '88. That makes DM. 80133,-

A modern example; the BMW 3-series F30 as 320i 4-door costs €31.000,- in Germany, €38.000,- in the Netherlands.

Gr Jeroen

[BMWtyro]

Jeroen,

So a new car costing €20K new actually costs €32,600 after taxes in The Netherlands -- WOW!

For that sort of taxation, I hope that they keep your streets really clear of snow in winter . . . and that Meals On Wheels brings you breakfast, lunch and supper every day at no charge!

Jeff

[dasbaur]

Hey guys, just recently bought a 83 baur 318i cabriolet alll the way here in aus! Pretty easy to understand why there is so many e30 lovers out there as the type of car is an absolute gem.
As it stands car needs a little work in terms of asthetics but mechanically runs fine, hope you lot can help me along the way in truly understanding the awesomeness of the Baur!

[THEPOOLEMAN]

Hey guys, just recently bought a 83 baur 318i cabriolet alll the way here in aus! Pretty easy to understand why there is so many e30 lovers out there as the type of car is an absolute gem.
As it stands car needs a little work in terms of asthetics but mechanically runs fine, hope you lot can help me along the way in truly understanding the awesomeness of the Baur!

DasBaur, Congratulations on the purchase of your Baur and welcome.

[BMWtyro]

Hey, Tom, check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/63-BMW-700-CABRIO-BAUR-Boxer-engine-/300810303431?forcev4exp=true

(drool, drool)

Haven’t I seen this car pictured on your Baurspotting site?

Jeff

[dasbaur]

DasBaur, Congratulations on the purchase of your Baur and welcome.

Cheers Pooleman! Just wondering also if anyone knows how many 318i tc2's were released in Australia? Am yet to come across one over here.

[tomscat1]

Hey, Tom, check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/63-BMW-700-CABRIO-BAUR-Boxer-engine-/300810303431?forcev4exp=true

(drool, drool)

Haven’t I seen this car pictured on your Baurspotting site?

Jeff

Yes, Jeff, we have done more than one post on them:
http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/201...-in-bring.html

Search BMW 700 in the blog and you will see more! Those guys found ME on the blog last summer and told me about their project. They have been written up in other blogs also. I think they are asking about $70,000 for the pair!

Congrats and welcome to dasbaur!

[BMWtyro]

Cheers Pooleman! Just wondering also if anyone knows how many 318i tc2's were released in Australia? Am yet to come across one over here.

Welcome to BimmerForums and to its Baur thread, dasbaur.

I may be wrong, but I don't think that Australia was a primary Baur market, same as the U.S. Could whoever posted the chart showing how many Baurs were officially sold in each nation please re-post it (or a link to it) for dasbaur . . . and for me, since I am obviously unable to locate it?

Thanks.

Jeff

[THEPOOLEMAN]

As you requested Jeff

[tomscat1]

Dasbaur,
In case you dont already have this...... here is a link to some Australian BMW Car Clubs: http://www.clubs.bmw.com.au/scripts/main.asp?PageID=12930

May be worth checking out.

[BMWtyro]

Thanks, Ed. I have now saved it to document as well as printed it off so I will always have a copy on hand.

Dasbaur, there is your answer: 783 went to Aurstralia, second only to Great Britain in Baur exports.

Jeff

[dasbaur]

Thanks, Ed. I have now saved it to document as well as printed it off so I will always have a copy on hand.

Dasbaur, there is your answer: 783 went to Aurstralia, second only to Great Britain in Baur exports.

Jeff

Thanks for that Ed, quite a few were imported to Australia considering total production. Am still yet to see a genuine Baur in Sydney though!

Will throw up some flicks a touch later on when i reach the 10 post quota.

Thanks guys.

[THEPOOLEMAN]

Thanks for that Ed, quite a few were imported to Australia considering total production. Am still yet to see a genuine Baur in Sydney though!

Will throw up some flicks a touch later on when i reach the 10 post quota.

Thanks guys.

It will be great to pics if your new ride. As far as seeing other Baurs we know of about 50 TC2's in the USA and over 80 TC1's and I personally know of two 2002 targa's and I have seen 6 E21's in one place ( The vintage @ Saratoga last summer ) but never another E30 TC2.

[dasbaur]

It will be great to pics if your new ride. As far as seeing other Baurs we know of about 50 TC2's in the USA and over 80 TC1's and I personally know of two 2002 targa's and I have seen 6 E21's in one place ( The vintage @ Saratoga last summer ) but never another E30 TC2.

Haha to find a 2002 or e21 here in Aus would be like finding gold, so rare! Yeh ill throw some pics up soon. In terms of how it is machanically i need to start getting a move on repairing some issues. Breaks are basically non existant, fix fuses, water pump etc....should be a fun little project

[THEPOOLEMAN]

The E21 Baur owners and the E21 Legion are a force to be reckoned with here in the North East .

[tsunamiracer]

Now that summer has come and gone and our Los Angeles weather is getting cold and into the 50's i've realized that as much as i love my Baur TC, i simply just don't have the time to use it. the poor car sits in my company's warehouse and with all the other cars in my stash i still need to look after, I think this great car is being neglected. before i post on other sites to sell it, i thought i'd open it up first to anyone here.

This car was discussed previously on this thread as i bought it earlier in the year from a mechanic in Burbank. (Discussion and pictures start on Page 6) Since then, i've dumped some money into it with a new clutch and had the faded paint wet sanded to bring back some of the luster. it's by no means a perfect paint job, but it's now presentable and matches the patina of its age (Pictures on Page 15).

Please share this with any interested parties. i am attempting to upload pictures but apparently my "new" status on the forum now prevents me from doing so. please email me and i will send you photos.

it's a pretty solid, mechanically sound and driveable car in a pretty color combination. i'm selling for exactly what i paid for it ($5900), and it's in better shape now than when i bought it. and it's cheaper and in significantly better shape than some others i see for sale in southern california.

post any questions/comments here on this thread or you can email me at lotusexige2007@gmail.com

1985 323i Baur TC
Lapis Blue w Indigo interior and Blue top
California registered and titled
New clutch
New indigo factory floormats
Oil, trans and diff fluids changed
125,000 miles

The previous owner did most of the work:
Bilstien front and rear shocks
New H & R springs
New front suspension
New rear shock mounts
New timing belt and tensioner and water pump
New rear window plastic
New brakes
Upgraded headlights to Ellipsoid headlights
Good used dash with no cracks
BBS RS light weight wheels 15x7
New Yokohama S-Drive tires

If you've always wanted a Baur in a darker color with some tasteful period mods in solid mechanical condition, your car has arrived!

[tomscat1]

OK, boys and girls.... want to hear a great Baurhunter story?

.....at long last, after some interruptions/delays due to work issues and a Hurricane.... here it is:

TomD's Adventure with the Baur in the Bush!


http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/2012/11/baur-in-bush-update.html


Thank you, Tom!

Be sure to check out this thread posted tonight by TomD!

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1916117

Best wishes, TomD!