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    Quote Originally Posted by Klavz View Post
    Hello, I`m waking up the dead..
    I`m preparing to install Mtech3 steering wheel with buttons in my E36, I've got the 06/96 slip ring, it has 5 output wires, as stated in original tutorial, but the colors doesn't match up on connector
    1. Blue
    2. Yellow
    3. Black
    4. Grey
    5. -
    6. Brown
    Its just the wire colors or I need to find a proper wire colored slip ring?
    Color is just a color. As long as the correct pin numbers are connected all should be fine.
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    All sorted with stereo controls and cruise control working.




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    Now retrofit the carphone, just to have all buttons working. Or get the button pods without phone buttons.

    Have you recoded the cruise control module to your car's engine? This will make a big difference in its operation.
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    I haven’t coded it yet but I will do as I’ve recently got all the software.

    I have the other buttons here but just haven’t bothered installing them yet.

    I wanted to install the phone but I also have the cup-holders which are a lot more useful to me


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    Hi guys
    I'm looking for proper Z3 cluster with cruise control icon
    Does anyone know from which year they have it ?

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    When I was looking for a Z3 cluster with cruise icon, I wondered this too but never found a definitive answer about what year it was fitted from.

    I ended up setting up a saved search on ebay for Z3 clusters and when they came up, checking out the pics to see if it included the cruise icon. I was lucky enough to find someone selling a faulty cluster with the correct symbol strip and the seller removed the strip and posted just that to me to save on postage. You have just got to be patient though.

    Cheers, Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by clabs View Post
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    When I was looking for a Z3 cluster with cruise icon, I wondered this too but never found a definitive answer about what year it was fitted from.

    I ended up setting up a saved search on ebay for Z3 clusters and when they came up, checking out the pics to see if it included the cruise icon. I was lucky enough to find someone selling a faulty cluster with the correct symbol strip and the seller removed the strip and posted just that to me to save on postage. You have just got to be patient though.

    Cheers, Mark
    Hi Mark,

    Am I right I’m assuming it’s a direct transfer from a Z3 cluster with cruise control?

    Do you lose any other icons due the the Z3 cruise addition?


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    Hi buddy

    It's not a direct transfer unfortunately - you will have to cut your existing strip and the Z3 strip. It sounds really daunting but it is actually pretty easy. Have a look at my post No 223 in this thread and that should help you along.

    https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...4#post27642214

    Shout if you need any more help.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by clabs View Post
    Hi buddy

    It's not a direct transfer unfortunately - you will have to cut your existing strip and the Z3 strip. It sounds really daunting but it is actually pretty easy. Have a look at my post No 223 in this thread and that should help you along.

    https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...4#post27642214

    Shout if you need any more help.

    Cheers

    Mark
    Great thanks.

    I’ve had my cluster apart and fitted the illuminated M logo many years ago so I’m well up for doing this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clabs View Post
    Fold

    When I was looking for a Z3 cluster with cruise icon, I wondered this too but never found a definitive answer about what year it was fitted from.

    I ended up setting up a saved search on ebay for Z3 clusters and when they came up, checking out the pics to see if it included the cruise icon. I was lucky enough to find someone selling a faulty cluster with the correct symbol strip and the seller removed the strip and posted just that to me to save on postage. You have just got to be patient though.

    Cheers, Mark
    do you remember your gauges were from diesel or petrol engine ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fold View Post
    do you remember your gauges were from diesel or petrol engine ?
    Think it was a petrol but it was a while back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecooney View Post
    Great thanks.

    I’ve had my cluster apart and fitted the illuminated M logo many years ago so I’m well up for doing this.


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    To be honest - the hardest part is to find a cluster that has the Cruise logo :-)

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    I really don't want to mod my mint original M3 cluster, so I did some home fabrication to make some "as OEM it could have been".

    This is still in prototype stage.

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    Nice idea
    if you want bigger green light, take button interior from ASC.

    guys,i've got cluster with CC light
    how have you connected it ? GR2 gives +12v to turn the light on, but old clusters lights are controlled by connecting ground ? have you used relay? is there a better way ? i don't want another clicking relay under dash

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    Relay under dash you don’t hear with engine running.

    No I don’t want a bigger light, the green is already very bright.
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    here's solution for all of you dreaming about CC dash light
    i've got E36 Compact 98 petrol 1.6, it's pretty popular and used parts are cheap
    this car already have CC light. Cluster looks very similar to Z3 (maybe it's the same even different part number?)
    BMW part number 62 11-8 381 858
    VDO number 110.008.831/003
    VDO 89652583 (front part), 88311221 (back part, check attached picture, back part has wrong icons)
    Production date 98/11
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    but i need help with connecting CC light
    I have no idea how to turn it on
    most lights in cluster share +12v and are turned on by grounding second pin

    this CC light shares ground with fog lights, i have no idea where goes second bulb pin
    it's not measureable by multimeter! probably there are some electronic components on the way

    any idea will be appreciated, i have to finish this today
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    Finally i've found it!

    pin 10 x271 - black plug is connected thorough diode to this bulb

    there is also split of this path to darlington ULQ2003 so probably it could be controlled via CAN

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    What to do if my E36 doesnt have an Ibus line? Can I just route the Ibus wire from slipring to an empty pin 7 on radio connector. I have an CD43 installed. Its weird that diagrams shows that if there is an original CD changer istalled from factory then it should have an Ibus wire from radio to changer, but mine doesnt..

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    Yes, Just run the wire to pin 7.

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    Thanks!
    Wired almost it all today, had to do everything from scratch since my E36 didn't had a cruise control.
    Thank god I had a complete wiring loom from an E36 (sadly also no cruise control), but at least I could get wires color matched and get comb connectors.
    Will maybe finish it tomorrow, if I have some spare time, hope it works..

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    I have a problem - cant get buttons on the steering wheel to work, not even iluminated. The buttons are out of the dual stage airbag steering wheel. Is that a problem?
    I have it pinned -
    1 - Ground
    2 - Violet/White comb connector
    3 - Cruise module pin 24
    4 - Radio pin 7 (didnt had any wire in that pin), so its connected buttons to radio
    5 - empty
    6 - Horn

    E36 itself is 04/1995
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klavz View Post
    I have a problem - cant get buttons on the steering wheel to work, not even iluminated. The buttons are out of the dual stage airbag steering wheel. Is that a problem?
    I have it pinned -
    1 - Ground
    2 - Violet/White comb connector
    3 - Cruise module pin 24
    4 - Radio pin 7 (didnt had any wire in that pin), so its connected buttons to radio
    5 - empty
    6 - Horn

    E36 itself is 04/1995

    Get a voltmeter and check actual voltage on these wires.

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    1 - Ground 0V
    2 - 12V
    3 - 0V
    4 - 12V
    5 - empty
    6 - 12V

    Both in key position 1 and 2
    Buttons has no backlight either.
    Horn is working
    Last edited by Klavz; 03-05-2019 at 10:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klavz View Post
    1 - Ground 0V
    2 - 12V
    3 - 0V
    4 - 12V
    5 - empty
    6 - 12V

    Both in key position 1 and 2
    Buttons has no backlight either.
    Horn is working

    Your radio buttons should work. Your cruise control won’t work without proper cruise module and wiring modification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klavz View Post
    1 - Ground 0V
    2 - 12V
    3 - 0V
    4 - 12V
    5 - empty
    6 - 12V

    Both in key position 1 and 2
    Buttons has no backlight either.
    Horn is working
    If you still don’t get even illumination, then most likely your slip ring is damaged.
    Take out airbag and check voltage on the other end of slip ring or simply check continuity of each wire of the slip ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix.a.ZX View Post
    I have a 2002 m5 steering wheel in right now using the early e39 multi wire slipring. I haven't used my cruise control buttons as I don't know yet exactly how to wire that in, Dancerst has done it I've seen but I'm not quite sure how... I get how to use the early style steering wheels but the later style/e46 style also im not sure for the cruise control.

    I wired mine for now to illuminate with my interior illumination dimmer. When I get some help to wire my cruise I'll wire it to regular voltage as these wheels require just constant voltage and can't adjust the lighting when using the button controls.

    Sent from my CAT S61

    As mentioned earlier for cruise control MFL you need a different module and some wiring job.

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    If you guys need help contact me in dm please at my Instagram @dmitrysviridovbmw

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    Ok, contacted.

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    Thanks to Dancerst I got my buttons working.
    It turned out I have a E39 slipring and E38 buttons with 4 wires across instead of 6.
    I had to switch two pins (1 and 2) around on slipring at the airbag side of steering wheel.

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