New to BMW's and have a 2011 X5 35i on order.
I'd like to be able to program some additional features (euro features, etc) as well as read/clear diag codes.
I knew nothing about BMW protocols, tools and codings this morning, but have read quite a bit in the past few hours, and think I'm starting to get on the right track... I've done very similar work with my VW Touareg with a eBay KLL cable and downloaded VAGCOM software, so I have some idea what these things look like, but again, zero experience with the BMW protocols, cables, and tools.
This is kind of what I think I need to do so far. Will this work for my 2011 E70?
- Download / install / run some combo of INPA & EDIABAS (and of course learn much more about it)
- Possibly need to set this all up to run inside a VMWARE shell? (Though I don't understand why yet)
- Use my existing VAGCOM cable, possibly will need to modify it.
- Try to figure out how tools like GT1, DIS, SSS fit into the picture.
- After I have a working system, figure out how to tweak the features I'm looking for...
Any tips on specific posts or threads that might help me out? Am I on the right track? There are so many very long threads, and sometimes I end up 20 minutes into a thread about some software before I realize that it is not geared towards my generation BMW (like NCSexpert, I think).
Thanks in advance for any help!
Last edited by pfbz; 01-09-2011 at 04:59 PM.
Bump for any help?
You shouldn't have to run Ediabas or INPA in a VMWare environment.
It might be both easier and cheaper in the long-run, to just buy a dedicated BMW interface. You can buy a decent Omitec Ediabas clone-cable, for less than UK£100 (US$150).
GT1 is the old Siemens diagnostic tablet computer, that BMW used to use in dealers. DIS is the old diagnostic software tool, now replaced by ISTA-D in dealers. SSS or “Progman” is the old coding/programming software tool, now replaced by ISTA-P in dealers. Both DIS and SSS/Progman will require a VMWare environment to run in, on your home laptop/pc. To use SSS/Progman on your 2011 E70, you would need to modify the Oracle database within the software. This can be difficult to do, and the results can be “hit-and-miss”. Sometimes it works fine, and other times it can “brick” the ECU you're working on, therefore not recommended.
INPA, NCS, ToolSet32, etc. are all fine to use on your 2011 E70. The only stumbling block you're likely to come up against, is keeping your data files current, as you'll need to source and extract it from ISTA-P discs (Current ISTA-P is v2.40.0).
I think that covers the basics, but if you've got anymore questions, post them here or drop me a PM.
FAL summed it up pretty good, but one more caveat I might mention is that your OBD port probably has ethernet on pin-8. Pin-8 was used on older cars as the 2nd K-line. Yours is most definitely D-Can so you don't need the k-lines, but if the cable is K+Dcan (most newer ones are) then you may need to de-solder pin-8.
To FAL: I just spent days updating WinKFP and NCS to V39 and now you tell me V40 is out? It never ends. Also, have you played with the Oracle side of SSS? I've been poking around (I used to be an Oracle DBA) but can't locate the credentials for SQLPlus. I assume they are embedded in one or more of the PHP scripts.
Yes, sorry Gene... Are you not using Total Commander or something similar?
Yes, very briefly, but with you being a former Oracle database admin', you'll know alot more about it than me. Besides, with NCS, ToolSet32, E-Sys and a stand-alone/dedicated ISTA-P (removing the need for an ISIS server) being around, i didn't see much point in pursuing it.
Hi Fal the standalone ista.p looks to be the future tool for us hope an upgrade-able version is available soon..
gk posted some pictures on DK yesterday of the Standalone ISTA-P v38 in action with his chinese OPS clone. Looks very very promising.
Using Unix standard utils. `cp -u' works for only copying newer files. I did some simple shell scripts to extract the various daten directories and bundled everything up into a structure that was more conducive to winkfp's "Import" menu.
I didn't know ISTA/P would work stand-alone. That's interesting and I look forward to the learning curve once this becomes more readily accessible.
Yes, very briefly, but with you being a former Oracle database admin', you'll know alot more about it than me. Besides, with NCS, ToolSet32, E-Sys and a stand-alone/dedicated ISTA-P (removing the need for an ISIS server) being around, i didn't see much point in pursuing it.
I don't think it does normally, this has been something this gentleman has been working on for the past several months. He's got it setup that it will even talk to OP(P)S units.
I'm not really sure if you can continue to use your K+CAN or D+CAN cables with it, so it might require purchasing a true OPS unit, or maybe a J-2534 compliant cable in order to use it.
We'll find out more as he makes it more available to greater use, right now it's in a beta testing stage with a small group of people.
OK, trying to get this all figured out...
I just downloaded the v2.40 SP Daten files (links in this thread) so hopefully that will help with the 2011 E7
OK, so SSS/Progman are out.To use SSS/Progman on your 2011 E70, you would need to modify the Oracle database within the software. This can be difficult to do...therefore not recommended.
Still a bit confused about this... Will INPA/NCS/ToolSet32 with the correct daten files give me a complete solution for reading diagnostics and modifying options? Or do I need to set up DIS or EasyDIS in a VMware machine as well?DIS is the old diagnostic software tool, now replaced by ISTA-D in dealers. ... INPA, NCS, ToolSet32, etc. are all fine to use on your 2011 E70.
I'm not sure it's worth the additional complication, but has anybody had sucess setting up INPA/NCS/Toolset32 on under OSX/VMWare Fusion?
Or DIS on a VMWare unix virtual machine under an OSX primary host?
Hello Fal,
I am new on the forum.
Could you explain to me what I can do with Toolset32? I worked with NCS and Winkfp, not much.
Sorry for bad english.
Last edited by IcemanBHE; 02-09-2011 at 10:42 PM.
In my personal opinion, yes. The modern dealer replacement for it, is ISTA/P and IBT.
It will give you the same solution, as the BMW engineers used in the factory. INPA, NCS, NFS/WinKFP or ToolSet32 are not pretty to look at or easy to work with, but they are the best for E-chassis'.
Your English is good mate, don't worry.
The best and simplest way to explain it, would probably be to say, that you can do "special and targeted jobs with it". Here's an example (you can get the program in English too).
Last edited by FAL; 02-21-2011 at 12:15 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
These "special and targeted jobs" vary significantly from module to module. Most of it is simply just reading off data like VIN and part numbers, but there are other specific things that can be done.... like reading off the max RPM and max speed achieved (through the DME).. or changing the bluetooth passcode on a TCU/ULF
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This is a shot in the dark but im currently trying to update a e70 thats having a intermittent check engine light. I have no problems reseting with the BMW tools ect or connection with the cable, my issue is a little more intense. its an e70 with a Assembly line code of 7569969 but for the love of money i cant find the data file ANYWHERE in any of the folders of SP DATEN, I've even checked every single folder for ever model. I have even manual searched the files in winkfp. can anybody supply me with the latest Bios/software for this 7569969 or shoot me a link to the ECU family where I can get it?
Would be a major help for me to make sure this control module has got a good flash.
much thanks
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