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    Hi Bret,
    Thanks for posting! I am very curious to know the VIN/ Baur number of your cars, as well as the one you spotted with FL plates. I am sure Jeroen is also! Very fascinating to hear of the American Sunroof Corporation also, and your attached "0001" plate. Could you have a 'one-off' example? Wow.

    I look forward to seeing your pics, when you get the time, and to finding out if any of the cars match up to any of the pics that Jeroen posted.... or if these are all new finds.
    If you have decided to sell, I think you may have a better selling venue here than the swap and sell radio show! That's a great story!

    Thanks again for the post and welcome to the thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryPR View Post
    Yes! Will Bryant is his name. Thanks for looking it up. Can't trust my 53 year old brain cells any more.....

    Don't know if he is on this board, but Bruce might chime in with more details. He has a couple of pics of both cars together, proving that they are not the same car!
    Yes that would be Wil Bryant. Great guy, still has the Baur which is superb. We stay in touch.

    At one time there where 5 Baurs in Atlanta. The two Kastienrots, Harry's, another white one that was for sale and a purple one that needed rescuing.

    My guess is that there are more Baurs out there than you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceH View Post
    Yes that would be Wil Bryant. Great guy, still has the Baur which is superb. We stay in touch.

    At one time there where 5 Baurs in Atlanta. The two Kastienrots, Harry's, another white one that was for sale and a purple one that needed rescuing.

    My guess is that there are more Baurs out there than you think.
    I agree with that ...... There are more out there than we originally thought. This thread has seen references to close to a dozen cars that may or may not have been on jeroen's registry. No doubt there are more out there. I would love to help get as many identified and located as possible. We may be able to generate a presence at some regional car shows, and I think that could be helpful to E21s as a class.
    Do you know if will bryant's car is onthe registry? It IS a beauty!
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    OK, here's what I've got.

    1979 US Spec 320i TC1 VIN# WBA31740005490387

    NO Baur tag, only the American Sunroof #0001 tag where the Baur tag would normally be.

    1982 Euro 323i TC1 VIN# WBAAH3103C7459271

    Baur tag # A004120-13



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    Last edited by Rigmaster; 12-11-2010 at 12:42 PM. Reason: pics

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    Fantastic!

    I am curious to see the ASC version up close.... Is it the same parts, installation as mine, for example? It looks that way in these pics.

    Paging Jeroen! .
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomscat1 View Post
    Fantastic!

    I am curious to see the ASC version up close.... Is it the same parts, installation as mine, for example? It looks that way in these pics.

    Paging Jeroen! .
    From what I've seen it's exactly the same as other TC1's built by Baur. My theory is that it was either some sort of one-off or a test model to see if it would be feasible for ASC to build Baur's in the US. This is purely speculation on my part though. I've been told many times over the years that my 320i TC1 did not exist because people seem to think that ALL of them started life as Euro-spec cars. I can say with 100% certainty that my 320i is a US spec car, it was not federalized or converted.

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    I am not sure about the red car, but Baur 4120 is not in the list from Jeroen. So that appears to be a new addition to the US list. Possibly both are new, thanks so much for posting everything.

    Does the silver Baur still have a functioning M20 engine? Or a recoverable one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rigmaster View Post
    From what I've seen it's exactly the same as other TC1's built by Baur. My theory is that it was either some sort of one-off or a test model to see if it would be feasible for ASC to build Baur's in the US. This is purely speculation on my part though. I've been told many times over the years that my 320i TC1 did not exist because people seem to think that ALL of them started life as Euro-spec cars. I can say with 100% certainty that my 320i is a US spec car, it was not federalized or converted.
    I agree with you. I used a vin decoder, and it comes up as a US spec 320i.
    The silver comes up as 'ECE', which is a euro spec, I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomscat1 View Post
    I am not sure about the red car, but Baur 4120 is not in the list from Jeroen. So that appears to be a new addition to the US list. Possibly both are new, thanks so much for posting everything.

    Does the silver Baur still have a functioning M20 engine? Or a recoverable one?
    It's still there, but with the hard hit the car took I'm not sure how good it is- I'm thinking something on it is probably broken, plus the car has been sitting in that field for like 3 years, so it might be locked up.

    I need to pull the engine and trans out of that car, strip any other useable bits off of it and send it to the scrapper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigmaster View Post
    It's still there, but with the hard hit the car took I'm not sure how good it is- I'm thinking something on it is probably broken, plus the car has been sitting in that field for like 3 years, so it might be locked up.

    I need to pull the engine and trans out of that car, strip any other useable bits off of it and send it to the scrapper.
    Yeah..... Sad.... But that isn't the kind of damage that you can just buff out, I guess.
    In regard to the US spec issue.... Jeroen The Incredible posted production numbers by model earlier in this thread. He listed 25 US spec 320i cars including two automatics. Yours is undoubtedly one of those 23.
    Fascinating stuff!
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    It is my understanding that the ASC cars were done under license from Baur. There are several out there. ASC also did a full e21 vert.

    I think Wil's Baur is on the register.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceH View Post
    It is my understanding that the ASC cars were done under license from Baur. There are several out there. ASC also did a full e21 vert.

    I think Wil's Baur is on the register.
    Hmm, interesting.

    I've never, ever heard that before, and I've never heard or seen of another ASC Baur TC.

    Not saying it's not true, just that this is the first I've ever heard of it.


    Conkitchen- email or PM me with what you need off the wrecked car- I need to get it parted out. I was sort of keeping it for my own use, but I don't need much off of it, maybe one top latch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigmaster View Post
    Hmm, interesting.

    I've never, ever heard that before, and I've never heard or seen of another ASC Baur TC.

    Not saying it's not true, just that this is the first I've ever heard of it.
    Take it with a grain of salt as it is hearsay. I've only seen one, yours(?), at V@V a few years back. Or was it O'Fest in Greenville?

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    Could #2679 be Will Bryant's Baur? Some details don't match (mirrors, amber turn signals, fog lights) but the rear lip and the wheels look similar.
    #2910 also appears to be the correct color, but again, some details are different.

    American Sunroof Corporation (San Diego) changed its name to American Specialty Cars (Southgate Michigan) in 2004, per Wikipedia. FWIW. American Specialty Cars filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2007 after some big ticket deals failed (e.g. Chevy SSR truck, apparently). Not sure where that stands now.

    Looks like they did the Z4, also.
    http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Ame...Specialty_Cars

    Update: http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/a/asc/asc.htm Tons of history there, but I didn't see any specific reference to BMW E21 or Baur. I may have missed it though..... so much info there I started just skimming it.

    OK, by way of imperfect summary.... it apppears we have Jeroen's list of 31 and the following:
    Jimjims friend bought 1978 BAUR bmw 320/6! - $300 (Central Tucson)‏
    JMinNJ 82 baur vin 8351885 baur #004279-15 Kashmir metalic82 baur vin 8351885 baur #004279-15 Kashmir metalic
    Will Bryant
    Bret NC 1.5 Baurs
    ------ASC 0001 red in his garage 1979 US Spec 320i TC1 VIN# WBA31740005490387
    ------1982 323i wrecked 1982 Euro 323i TC1 VIN# WBAAH3103C7459271 Baur tag # A004120-13
    Bret saw a white one with FL plates

    Bruce H said there was a white one in Atlanta
    …….. and a purple one a few years ago

    Conkitchen has a Baur, and is using parts from another to make one car (2 or 3 cars) 72565 323i (ex Michael Baur, wrecked) forum member is resuscitating this one in another Baur body …There are three cars sort of involved. Two in realality.
    The BAUR tags from 2565
    The 79 donor Baur chassis with top and euro stuff.
    A 79 rubinrot parts car. As you can see in the pictures, body panels have been swapped over and the rear quarters of the donor car painted.



    Bmac320i: 12/03/2010 I saw a white one in sacramento a few days ago it had been rear ended.

    Beaufort SC Craigslist ad:
    Rare European-only gray market e21 BMW 3 series Baur conversion. White w/blue interior, 5 speed (non sport), Stahl header, Recaro seats, runs strong, daily driver or ready to restore. Call for details. No emails please. Located near downtown Beaufort. 843-812-2640

    David goerndt saw : There used to be a Baur in Orlando but that was several years ago

    Toyotech: I recently saw one 5 houses down from my sister-in-law's house in Tempe, silver one.

    HarryPR saw a Golf yellow E21 Baur in Puerto Rico, but that was about 15 years ago.

    Jeroen’s total of 31 plus….. about 13 others …some of which may or may not be included in Jeroen’s list of 31.


    By my reckoning, that is an additional 13 Baurs .... together with Jeroen's list of 31, making a total of 44 Baurs. It should be noted that there may be some overlap in the two lists: some of the additional 13 may turn out to be on Jeroen's list, or they may be ultimately unidentifiable.... since some were seen years ago. And there is always the possibility that I did the math wrong here, of course.
    At any rate, it looks like we may have 44 US Baurs out there so far, and counting..... keep those cards and letters coming!

    Addendum: Jeroen earlier posted a production list by model that showed there were 25 320i built to US spec (23 manual, 2 automatic). As far as I can tell, we have only found two of those: Baur #4587 (and we aren't sure who bought that last summer) and Bret's 1979 US spec 320i.
    Depending how many of those US spec cars still survive, there could be an additional 23 Baurs floating around.... they could be some of the cars that have been spotted but not fully identified above ..... or just undiscovered as yet. In the unlikely event that they all still exist and none have been spotted above, then there could be as many as 67 Baurs out there.... and counting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigmaster View Post
    OK, here's what I've got.

    1979 US Spec 320i TC1 VIN# WBA31740005490387

    NO Baur tag, only the American Sunroof #0001 tag where the Baur tag would normally be.

    1982 Euro 323i TC1 VIN# WBAAH3103C7459271

    Baur tag # A004120-13



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    I see you bought the 4120 Baur from Northern Virginia. You mentioned that it has sat in the field for the past three years.
    Is that the field in the pics? It looks more like a Purgatory for Lost BMWs. A 2002, an E30, and some newer models also.
    Are those yours also, or is that field the the point of origin in VA? Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomscat1 View Post
    I see you bought the 4120 Baur from Northern Virginia. You mentioned that it has sat in the field for the past three years.
    Is that the field in the pics? It looks more like a Purgatory for Lost BMWs. A 2002, an E30, and some newer models also.
    Are those yours also, or is that field the the point of origin in VA? Just curious.
    That's my field, and the pics only show a small portion of the orphan BMW's.

    The 2002 "art car" was the first art car from V@V a couple of years ago- it's the first BMW I ever bought, back in 1984.....




    BTW, I emailed the owner of the shop that had the Baur 320/6 that I saw a while back, he said it's still there, and he would get me the VIN and Baur # when he got a chance. He also mentioned that they now also have an E30 Baur that they did some work on and the owner is refusing to pay the bill, so that car will probably be there a while too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigmaster View Post
    That's my field, and the pics only show a small portion of the orphan BMW's.

    The 2002 "art car" was the first art car from V@V a couple of years ago- it's the first BMW I ever bought, back in 1984.....




    BTW, I emailed the owner of the shop that had the Baur 320/6 that I saw a while back, he said it's still there, and he would get me the VIN and Baur # when he got a chance. He also mentioned that they now also have an E30 Baur that they did some work on and the owner is refusing to pay the bill, so that car will probably be there a while too.
    Nice! I need a field like that! Maybe we ALL do!

    I look forward to hearing more about the 320/6. NIce find. As for the E30 Baur (known as the TC2, as you probably know)... that is another nice find.
    Jeroen, the Baur Guru, owns the only E30 Baur that I would be interested in: he has an E30 325ix Baur! The E30 AWD convertible! IMHO, that is close to the perfect car! AWD drive for the wnter; convertible for the summer. M20 5 speed. Day um. I have both a 1989 E30 ix and a 1989 325i convertible. Boy, would I love to have them combined as one car.
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    First off all: *WOW* It's really stunning how many Baurs turn up in this thread.

    Before we get any further, a picture of Bruce&Will's cars:


    About the ASC: I think that just as "Schneiders" in the Netherlands, they bought a frame from Baur. From what I can see, it's all the same.

    As it may come in handy, here the details about the 25 US-Spec Baur's:


    As you can see, many of them went to Canada. But maybe more interesting is that "Hautmann" sold two US-cars. That is a German dealer. And he also sold...74120. Maybe that car was sold new to the US? It is for sure that he exported many of the cars sold by him. There are now (including 74120) 3 cars known that were sold by Hautmann. The 73881 went to Colombia and the 74110...that came from the US (now in Belgium, via Great-Brtittain)!

    I'm very curious how many we will find via this thread!

    Gr Jeroen

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    THAT's the picture I was thinking of! Thanks for posting it, Jeroen!

    I love this thread!
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    Thanks, again, Jeroen. Really great stuff!
    FWIW, the first car listed in your chart went to Prechter, Southgate USA. That is the American Sunroof Corporation, AKA American Specialty Cars. http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/a/asc/asc.htm
    "At one time or another ASC, which is headquartered in Southgate, Michigan, operated plants or design/engineering studios in: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada - Rancho Dominquez (Long Beach), California - Huntington Beach, California – Columbus, Ohio – Lordstown, Ohio - Bowling Green, Kentucky – Detroit, Michigan - Lansing, Michigan - Southgate, Michigan - Owosso, Michigan – Gibraltar, Michigan - Warren, Michigan - Oak Park, Michigan – East Tawas, Michigan - Linden, New Jersey - Bloomington, Illinois - Spartanburg, South Carolina - Atlanta, Georgia -Munich, Germany - Heilbronn, Germany – Weinsberg, Germany - Youngshon, South Korea – Martorell, Spain.
    ASC was founded in late 1963 by Heinz Christian Prechter, a German foreign exchange student who was attending San Francisco State College."

    Is there a way to get the VIN for that first car, Jeroen? I can see that it is, or was, Polaris, with the PVC roof, and untinted (clear) windows. I wonder if that could be Bret's red car (ASC 001). His car is a 1979, so a fairly early one. Wouldn't that be incredible?
    None of those cars are listed as having the color "IberischRot". So, since this is the complete US spec list, and Bret's car is among them..... it is likely that his color is not original. Unless, of course, his car is actually 'hennarot", like Baur # 72129 in the list. ???

    Bret, what do you think? http://www.e21-board.de/wbb/index.ph...abelleStandard
    Boy, those colors are close.... Iberischrot looks a like a faded hennarot to me.... lordy.

    Stay tuned.

    11am Update to this post: I don't think Bret's car would be on the list of 25 US Spec cars: his car probably did not arrive in the US as a Baur, but was probably imported as US spec 320i, and then converted by ASC here in the US.
    Baur,
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    1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
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    1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
    1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
    the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryPR View Post
    THAT's the picture I was thinking of! Thanks for posting it, Jeroen!

    I love this thread!
    Wow, I took that photo quite a while back, maybe 2004. It was before I swapped out the auto to the 4 speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomscat1 View Post
    Thanks, again, Jeroen. Really great stuff!
    FWIW, the first car listed in your chart went to Prechter, Southgate USA. That is the American Sunroof Corporation, AKA American Specialty Cars. http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/a/asc/asc.htm
    "At one time or another ASC, which is headquartered in Southgate, Michigan, operated plants or design/engineering studios in: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada - Rancho Dominquez (Long Beach), California - Huntington Beach, California Columbus, Ohio Lordstown, Ohio - Bowling Green, Kentucky Detroit, Michigan - Lansing, Michigan - Southgate, Michigan - Owosso, Michigan Gibraltar, Michigan - Warren, Michigan - Oak Park, Michigan East Tawas, Michigan - Linden, New Jersey - Bloomington, Illinois - Spartanburg, South Carolina - Atlanta, Georgia -Munich, Germany - Heilbronn, Germany Weinsberg, Germany - Youngshon, South Korea Martorell, Spain.
    ASC was founded in late 1963 by Heinz Christian Prechter, a German foreign exchange student who was attending San Francisco State College."

    Is there a way to get the VIN for that first car, Jeroen? I can see that it is, or was, Polaris, with the PVC roof, and untinted (clear) windows. I wonder if that could be Bret's red car (ASC 001). His car is a 1979, so a fairly early one. Wouldn't that be incredible?
    None of those cars are listed as having the color "IberischRot". So, since this is the complete US spec list, and Bret's car is among them..... it is likely that his color is not original. Unless, of course, his car is actually 'hennarot", like Baur # 72129 in the list. ???

    Bret, what do you think? http://www.e21-board.de/wbb/index.ph...abelleStandard
    Boy, those colors are close.... Iberischrot looks a like a faded hennarot to me.... lordy.

    Stay tuned.
    Tom,

    I'm fairly certain my car is IberischRot and it is the original color- there is a paint code sticker under the hood with the color name on it. And if by some fluke it was a different color at one time, they would have had to completely strip the car down to nothing and respray it to get as much coverage as this car has. I've seen lots of repainted cars and this car has always been the same color.


    I've always wondered about the ASC number plate on my car. What does not add up is that it says "Hempstead, NY" on it- and none of the known ASC locations are in Hempstead.

    From what I can gather, this car was originally sold by Park Ave BMW in NJ. I've got some paperwork that came with the car that I need to dig up, as I remember it has some more info about the origins of the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigmaster View Post
    Tom,

    I'm fairly certain my car is IberischRot and it is the original color- there is a paint code sticker under the hood with the color name on it. And if by some fluke it was a different color at one time, they would have had to completely strip the car down to nothing and respray it to get as much coverage as this car has. I've seen lots of repainted cars and this car has always been the same color.


    I've always wondered about the ASC number plate on my car. What does not add up is that it says "Hempstead, NY" on it- and none of the known ASC locations are in Hempstead.

    From what I can gather, this car was originally sold by Park Ave BMW in NJ. I've got some paperwork that came with the car that I need to dig up, as I remember it has some more info about the origins of the car.
    I think you are correct, Bret. After I posted this morning, I realized that my logic was flawed. I believe your car was converted to the Baur roof by ASC. It was probably imported as a regular E21 320i, in the original Iberischrot, and then converted. Therefore, your car would NOT be included in the list of 25 furnished by Jeroen. !!! So that would add one more potential Baur to the list. Just ignore what I said earlier about the repaint, etc. I am sure that I was incorrect on that.

    I am speculating that perhaps the first US Spec Baur listed above as imported by Prechter, Southgate, USA (#70164)--- which is ASC--- was used as a model by ASC to do their own Baur conversions and meet Baur specs. And perhaps your car was the first one (and only???) they did. Pure speculation on my part, of course, but...... who knows!

    The Hempstead NY plate is a mystery to me at this point, also. I love a good mystery.

    Heinz Prechter was quite the entrepreneur, apparently. He arrived in the US with 11 bucks, and went on to make millions. If you have an interest, google his name. He suffered from Bipolar Depression.... committed suicide in 2001 at age 59. Bipolar Research foundation started in his name at Univ. of Mich.
    It does say that his enterprises had some 60 locations around the world..... so perhaps that is where Hempstead, NY comes in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rigmaster View Post
    Tom,

    I'm fairly certain my car is IberischRot and it is the original color- there is a paint code sticker under the hood with the color name on it. And if by some fluke it was a different color at one time, they would have had to completely strip the car down to nothing and respray it to get as much coverage as this car has. I've seen lots of repainted cars and this car has always been the same color.


    I've always wondered about the ASC number plate on my car. What does not add up is that it says "Hempstead, NY" on it- and none of the known ASC locations are in Hempstead.

    From what I can gather, this car was originally sold by Park Ave BMW in NJ. I've got some paperwork that came with the car that I need to dig up, as I remember it has some more info about the origins of the car.
    OK, this is getting a little crazy now.... ..... I called ASC in Warren MI. I spoke to a guy who had no recollection of anything in Hempstead NY, except that, at that time, he said that ASC did license out their work to smaller shops, and then allow them to use the ASC name. That is one possible explanation of your plate, although it lacks any specifics.
    He is going to be in touch shortly with a retired guy who was the Chief of Design for ASC from the 1970's until recently.... to see if he has any recollection of any of this. He will email me any info he comes across in a week or two. I don't know what he will find, perhaps nothing, but he is a car enthusiast himself, so he did have an appreciation for this type of inquiry. If he can help, I am sure he will.


    BTW, Park Ave BMW still exists as you can see from the link below.
    http://www.parkavebmw.com/contact-form.htm

    I wonder how far back their records go.
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    Tom
    SE Connecticut
    1982 323i Baur, 1977 320i (carbed),
    1978 320i (parts)
    1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
    1989 325ic (summer)
    1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
    1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
    the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)

    Visit my blog: Baurspotting
    http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/

    BWR PWR!

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    Great detective work, Tom!

    You are now officially the Bimmerforums Baur Hunter.
    HarryPR
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    Aw, shucks. Twaren't nuthin.

    Thankyouthankyouvurrymuch.

    I have been called worse.

    Jeroen, in your posted list earlier of the US Spec cars... are those the VIN numbers in the column to the immediate right of the Baur numbers? And the exterior color and interior color and material; window tinting.
    Tom
    SE Connecticut
    1982 323i Baur, 1977 320i (carbed),
    1978 320i (parts)
    1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
    1989 325ic (summer)
    1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
    1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
    the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)

    Visit my blog: Baurspotting
    http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/

    BWR PWR!

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    You're doing a good job, Tom!

    And yes, those are the VIN. FG-NR=Fahrgestellnummer=Rollingchassis-number.

    Verdeckfarbe=roofcolour
    Lackfarbe=exterior colour
    Polsterfarbe=interior sort and colour

    The ASC-history is very interesting. And I now know where I heard that name before. As you can read in the link, ASC made the Porsche 944 convertible, in Germany. But who developed this car? Yeah, that was Baur They could have started with the production in 1985, but because they gave the order to ASC, it had to wait for two more years.

    Gr Jeroen

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