Because Tom is very curious, a seperate topic.
And here the cars that are known to me as being in the US. Unfortunately with small pictures.I am curious to find how many Baurs there are in the US. I have one here in CT, I know of at least one in NY, you are in New Jersey, a couple in Philly, a Dietel Baur in VA, three or so in Atlanta area, there was one in Beaufort, SC for sale recently .... several that I am aware of on the West Coast... and of course a very famous one in Alaska (Hi Jeff) .... I am not aware of another Baur in CT (there was one in Mystic, but it was sold to the Philly area this year) ... or even another in New England, ---- and there may be a few--- but I just don't have the info.
It has been estimated that there are 25 in US... although there are probably more. Jeroen ([COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]Netherlands[/COLOR][/COLOR]) estimates that there are 10% of the original production of 4595 Baurs left in existence. Very hard to figure how many of those were brought to the US, and how many remain on the road, after at least 27 years, minimum.
Also very hard to do a trace, since, as gray market cars, many 323i are registered simply as 320i's, and many Baurs may or may not be registered as convertibles.
So I am interested in any info you may have. Thanks.
I don't mean to hijack this thread, so if any info is forthcoming I will move it to a new thread.
70296 318
70332 318
70471 323i ("Dietel")
70534 320/6
70558 316
70601 323i
70689 320/6
70868 323i
70917 320/6
71273 323i
71475 318A
71572 316
72175 323i
72419 318i
72565 323i (ex Michael Baur, wrecked)
72569 320/6
72679 323i
72857 323i
72910 323i
73023 323i
73037 323i
73056 323i
73091 323i
73475 323i
73489 323i
73583 323i
73860 323i
73940 323i
74154 323i
74210 323i
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74403 323i
74587 320i (US-model!)
If I counted correct, that makes 31 (!).
Gr Jeroen
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Tom
SE Connecticut
1982 323i Baur, 1977 320i (carbed),
1978 320i (parts)
1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
1989 325ic (summer)
1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)
Visit my blog: Baurspotting
http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/
BWR PWR!
Great info, Jeroen!
I once saw a Golf yellow E21 Baur here in Puerto Rico, but that was about 15 years ago and I have not been able to find out if it still exists.
HarryPR
'81 320/6 Baur (#2569)
BMW CCA # 19290
Is Jeff (alaskabimmer) in that lineup? I am 4154,and 471 (Dietel) is owned by the guy I bought mine from in VA.
Is the Beaufort SC car that was for sale not too long ago in there?
I think 18wheelerbob's car is 1475.
What about yours, HarryPR?
917 was owned by a friend in Mystic CT, until he sold it to someone in PA this year.
Last edited by tomscat1; 12-02-2010 at 01:48 PM.
Tom
SE Connecticut
1982 323i Baur, 1977 320i (carbed),
1978 320i (parts)
1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
1989 325ic (summer)
1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)
Visit my blog: Baurspotting
http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/
BWR PWR!
HarryPR
'81 320/6 Baur (#2569)
BMW CCA # 19290
So, if I understand you correctly, you have tags from #2565 (of which nothing else remains??), and you have the body of another Baur (unknown Baur number?).... and you are resurrecting a Baur. What Baur # will it be when resurrected?
Kudos to you, btw, for taking this on.
Tom
SE Connecticut
1982 323i Baur, 1977 320i (carbed),
1978 320i (parts)
1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
1989 325ic (summer)
1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)
Visit my blog: Baurspotting
http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/
BWR PWR!
This is an awesome thread.
.: M42 Swap Thread M42 Turbo Build Thread E85 Conversion :.
My YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/c/AdamPE21
There used to be a Baur in Orlando but that was several years ago. I remember speaking with the owner because the car was unusual looking, my first Baur. At the time I had my 81 320i.
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If you have the VIN for the '79 Baur, I bet Jeroen could find the Baur number.
Right, Jeroen?
http://www.bmw-z1.com/VIN/VINdecode-e.cgi
This is a BMW VIN decoder... insert last 7 digits of the VIN, see what you get for both #2565 and the '79.
P.S. Is #3023 Alaskabimmer?
#3583 is in here also, in the eastern PA area.
#4587, nearly the last of the Baurs, looks like the one that sold recently around Norfolk VA, (actually Mathews VA) if I am not mistaken. Here's his ad from May 29 2010 :
"1983 320i Baur factory conversion (rare) unique targa top convertible, (built in rollbar) 4cyl. 5 speed, lsd ac 160, k miles, body restoration 4 yrs ago (no rust), zender body kit , koni adjustable shocks & springs, nice interior, reccaro bucket seats, cd, new dash cap, lots of recent new parts. Great example of an old school Bimmer, a really neat looking useable classic that runs well. Lots of money and time spend on this little car. Not for everyone, but probably won't last. Wife says its got to go."
There was another one for sale in California (it was green, and the seller stated it wasn't the original color) a few months back.... I don't recognize that in any of the pics, though. UPDATE: I did some checking through my old emails, and found this Palm Springs California Baur was identified by Jeroen as #2419, which is included in his list above.
And this ad (now deleted, dammit) from Craigs List two weeks ago:
Very rare 1978 BAUR bmw 320/6! - $300 (Central Tucson)
Here is the listing for the Baur that was for sale in Beaufort SC this year:
1978 BMW 323i Baur Convertible
Date: 2010-03-30, 10:38AM
Rare European-only gray market e21 BMW 3 series Baur conversion. White w/blue interior, 5 speed (non sport), Stahl header, Recaro seats, runs strong, daily driver or ready to restore. Call for details. No emails please. Located near downtown Beaufort. 843-812-2640
Where did they go?
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Tom
SE Connecticut
1982 323i Baur, 1977 320i (carbed),
1978 320i (parts)
1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
1989 325ic (summer)
1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)
Visit my blog: Baurspotting
http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/
BWR PWR!
Very interesting project, but I am a little confused. Are there THREE cars involved here, or just two:
1) #2565 (wrecked, tags remain);
2) the white car you refer to as the "donor' car, and
3) the Rubinrot car.
If the white car is a 'donor' car, what parts is it donating, and what car are the parts being donated to? ?? Or is the white car now the Rubinrot car? Which is a '79 E21. I do remember seeing the pic of that white one somewhere, perhaps it was ebay. Wasn't it located somewhere near the Rocky Mtns? Vague memory of it.
Sorry to seem so confused. Please bear with me. I am actually quite interested to learn about it.
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Tom
SE Connecticut
1982 323i Baur, 1977 320i (carbed),
1978 320i (parts)
1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
1989 325ic (summer)
1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)
Visit my blog: Baurspotting
http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/
BWR PWR!
Uwe (a German guy who is totally into the TC1's) send me an email yesterday. The car below should/could be the 70601:
@Tom: not every VIN can be linked to a Baur-number. As you can see with conkitchens car, sometimes cars have been rebuild with an other VIN. But there was also a company in the Netherlands that bought the TC1 frames from Baur. And so there are many "Baur TC1" in the Netherlands that don't have a Baur-number.
Gr Jeroen
I remember those pics. I believe that is the car that was for sale in Palm Springs California that I mentioned above:
"There was another one for sale in California (it was green, and the seller stated it wasn't the original color) a few months back.... I don't recognize that in any of the pics, though." I was mistaken in my earlier post, where I stated that Jeroen identified that car as #2419. #2419 was a 318i Baur that was for sale around the same time in Carmel by the Sea CA. The seller sent me a ton of info on that car.
As to the green car pictured above.... I corresponded with the seller a few times, and this was his ad,
"1979 BMW 323I BAUR CONVERTIBLE. CURRENT CALIFORNIA REGISTRATION, TITLE IN HAND, 4SPD TRANS, GREEN EXTERIOR AND BLACK INTERIOR, $6,000.00 OBO NO TRADES! EMAIL OR CALL JEFF AT ..."
He said the original color was Chamonix. I am at work now, so I can't research this any further at the moment. Dammit. I may have more info on it somewhere.
- Location: PALM SPRINGS
Work is soooo inconvenient to my Baur research time! It's a good thing they pay me, or I'll be DAMNED if I'd do it!
UPDATE: On 7/16/10 the seller of the green Baur pictured above sent me the following:
" Hello Tom,
Yes, I have a baur registry plate on the vehicle. I will get you that number.
The car is not the original color. I will get you the name of the original color. It was a off white originally.
Jeff
The BAUR # is A000601-01
The original color was Chamonix."
So Jeroen and Uwe are exactly correct. Kudos
I wonder if anyone can identify any of the other cars above.... as to location, status, etc. Are there any others in New England (CT, MA, RI, ME, NH, VT)? I know eighteenwheelerbob is out on Long Island, NY. As far as I know he is the closest Baur to me.
So does this mean that the number of official factory Baurs is 4595, but there may be an unknown number of additional Netherlands Baurs (or elsewhere) not included in that 4595 figure? Were Baur frames sold to any other companies to make their own Baur-type versions?
Learn something new every day.
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Tom
SE Connecticut
1982 323i Baur, 1977 320i (carbed),
1978 320i (parts)
1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
1989 325ic (summer)
1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)
Visit my blog: Baurspotting
http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/
BWR PWR!
mine is 3023 and is listed in the list of 31.
The Frozen Baur (AKA The Frozen Ground) now on Netflix (John Cussack is driving the Omega behind the Baur)
Very rare 1978 BAUR bmw 320/6! - $300 (Central Tucson)
My buddy mark an E21 junkyeeeeeeeee pick that one up. It's in need a few parts more update later.
James
My M30 carb intake
Last edited by tomscat1; 12-04-2010 at 11:07 AM.
Tom
SE Connecticut
1982 323i Baur, 1977 320i (carbed),
1978 320i (parts)
1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
1989 325ic (summer)
1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)
Visit my blog: Baurspotting
http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/
BWR PWR!
Indeed. The numbers for the TC1 are not known, so here some from the TC2.So does this mean that the number of official factory Baurs is 4595, but there may be an unknown number of additional Netherlands Baurs (or elsewhere) not included in that 4595 figure? Were Baur frames sold to any other companies to make their own Baur-type versions?
14665: totall frames build
10865: cars converted by Baur in Stuttgart.
The rest of the frames (mostly) went to South-Africa. These cars can easily be identified, even if you can't see the stickers "Made in South-Africa" under the bonnet. Then these cars have their frame in the same color as the rest of the body. Cars build in Stuttgart always had a black frame.
A South-African car.
Gr Jeroen
Yes, that is an E30. The E21 Baurs were known as TC1 (Top Cabriolet), and the E30 Baurs were known as TC2.
http://translate.google.com/translat...baur-tc1.de%2F
Jeroen continues to be an amazing font of information on the Baurs ---- Kudos Jeroen! ---- for which I am certainly in his debt.
I had no idea there were so many Baurs out of South Africa.
Tom
SE Connecticut
1982 323i Baur, 1977 320i (carbed),
1978 320i (parts)
1991 325ix 5 speed, 1989 325ix (winter),
1989 325ic (summer)
1973 2002 Malaga (with frosting)
1975 Mercedes W115 300D (The Departed)
the late 1979 323i Euro (project, Now Departed)
Visit my blog: Baurspotting
http://baurspotting.blogspot.com/
BWR PWR!
And the E36 is known as the...nope, not TC3 The TC3 was a Z1-like coupé build on E30-base.
The first pictures, with BMW-signatures. But after BMW declined this car (we write 1986, the Z1 was already in development), Baur had to take the BMW-logos of. Here some pictures of how it looks now. These pictures were taken on the Stuttgart Messe this year. Because of 100 years Baur, they brought some rare Baur together (the TC3, but also the 4 door TC2 prototype, a TC2 Pick-up and the 02 "Airflow" Landaulette).
Thanks for your compliments Tom
Gr Jeroen
PS. Updated the first post with A70601 and A73489.
Last edited by Baur; 12-06-2010 at 08:25 AM.
Thanks for all the great info, Jeroen!
Do you have any pics of the other rare Baur prototypes?
Best,
HarryPR
'81 320/6 Baur (#2569)
BMW CCA # 19290
Off course. These are the pcitures I made at Retroclassics in Stuttgart.
AT-Design Pickup. This car was based upon a crashed car. It's not known if this was a Baur or a 2-door, because it has a new VIN. At least, it has a bit Baur in the form of the targa-roof.
En foto's van een 2e exemplaar.
Baur-Kohl Coupé. This was an idea from cardealer Kohl in Aachen, Germany. That is the largest BMW-dealer and also the company behind AC Schnitzer. They had the idea to build an E30 Coupé. Easiest way was to start with a Baur. 4 of them build (1x 320i, 3x 325i), 3 of them survived, one went up in flames. Of the 3 surviving, one is in daily use, one is in restoration and thel last, seen on the pictures, is waiting to be restored.
Baur TC2/4. When BMW told Baur that they couldn't use the 2-door (coupé) E36, Baur wanted to find out if a 4-door Cabrio would sell. So in 1990, they made this 4-door prototype. Look at the details, such as the changed rear-doors!
The 02 Landaulette. Idea was to make the roof out of plexiglass, but that was a bit to advanced mid 60ies. (Later Baur made the plexiglass Bitter CD). So it became a landaulette with sliding roof.
Gr Jeroen
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