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Hi guys, desperately need some help on a friends car.
Attempted to code his 07/2005 M5 KGM for folding mirrors. When I read the module (lesen) I noticed that it read it very quickly and file size was only 1k.
However I found the parameter I wanted to change and set it to aktiv and using the man file wrote the data back. (changed a couple of values in cappl which were saved fine and worked).
When trying to drive off the Servotronic assist had gone. The steering is really heavy.
Coding the KGM back to default does not change anything. I used the correct profiles.
Even the vehicle type has gone from the trace file (i.e. BAUART limousine).
The netodat trc file is full of "FFF"s (just like the words coming out of my mouth!)
I tried using newer and older daten on ncs 3 / ediabas 6.4.7 and ncs 4 / ediabas 7 (using daten 50) on different laptops to no success.
What can I do now?NETTODAT.TRC.txtFSW_PSW.TRC.txt
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Have you tried using Expert mode to code the module back to the factory default settings?
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Yes. I already tried coding back to default using expert mode. No change.
When I read them again they would show as per attachments.
Reason I posted on this thread is that I was hoping someone would suggest using the nettodat or similar with dummies as a way of going forward. Up to now I have never used this feature.
Last edited by zulfib; 05-23-2015 at 01:01 AM.
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This happened from only trying to code folding mirrors? You must have done something other than changing values to aktiv for folding mirrors?
Last edited by purplecty; 05-23-2015 at 08:45 AM.
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Yes. I read the trc file and it looked suspiciously small but I didn't think anything of it as the value I needed was there so I changed it. Then man file back.
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I prefer to keep this thread in the E31 section as it was written especially for the E31Originally Posted by mattmartindrift
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What DATEN are you using? This started happening when you changed what value in what module? Isnt KGM the body gateway module?
Last edited by purplecty; 05-23-2015 at 10:29 AM.
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Yes body gateway. Sp daten 50. I believe the module must have been on the edge and this coding pushed it over. It's not the setting change that did it. I have done many of those before.
I just wondered whether there was a way of using nettodat to restore it. I tried creating one and using ncs dummies and coding but that the gave a coapi 2061 error.
Last edited by zulfib; 05-23-2015 at 10:51 AM.
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No error codes? Your fsw.trc file shows this car as a right hand drive steering type car? Is this correct? Is the .trc file posted from before or after coding back to default using expertmode profile?
Last edited by purplecty; 05-23-2015 at 11:04 AM.
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I.. UK right hand drive. Kgm has no errors. This was the file that was read out after I noticed things were not right ie power steering heavy. However on first read I did notice that it didn't take very long to pull the trc - almost as quick as the button press itself.
The trc is after default with expert profile. I've tried it with different daten and different laptops with different ncs / ediabas versions. Even tried coding with Launch and that fails.
Last edited by zulfib; 05-23-2015 at 11:19 AM.
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This file still shows the folding mirrors set to aktiv you sure you reset to default with ExpertMode?
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Yes. About 20 times so far with different setups. I also didn't delete half the lines that are missing nor change the nettodat trc to show all FF's. This is what the issue is. The above is what the car is returning. As previously mentioned, the Launch tool cannot reset to default code either.
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Here is the nettodat from the car:
B 00380000,0010,8F,C3,FF,BF,0F,1E,00,00,7F,01,3D,FE, 3C,00,88,0F
B 00380010,0010,1E,AA,1E,34,00,7F,2F,9D,1E,28,50,00, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380020,0010,05,28,50,14,FF,07,07,07,96,32,0A,28, 78,3F,FF,FF
B 00380030,0010,28,03,00,39,FF,E8,00,39,0A,FF,FF,FF, 32,FF,10,10
B 00380100,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380110,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380120,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380130,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380200,0010,00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380210,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, 39,FF,FF,86
B 00380220,0010,FF,7F,18,05,3A,05,08,C8,1E,00,00,00, 22,C8,00,00
B 00380230,0010,00,CA,02,00,E3,88,C0,01,7C,90,A4,FF, F0,FF,FF,00
B 00380800,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380810,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380820,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380830,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380900,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380910,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380920,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380930,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380A00,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380A10,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380A20,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380A30,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380B00,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380B10,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380B20,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380B30,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
This is what I generated using dummies:
B 00380000,0010,80,C3,FF,BF,00,1E,00,00,7F,01,0D,FE, 3C,00,88,0F
B 00380010,0010,1E,AA,1E,34,00,5F,2B,9D,1E,28,50,00, D3,FF,E9,07
B 00380020,0010,05,28,50,14,04,07,07,07,96,32,0A,28, 78,3F,FF,3C
B 00380030,0010,28,03,00,39,FF,E8,00,39,0A,05,A0,0F, 32,FF,10,10
B 00380100,0010,00,06,0A,14,1E,28,32,3C,46,55,5F,6E, 7D,96,BE,FA
B 00380110,0010,DE,DC,DA,BC,9C,8B,83,7F,7C,77,73,6B, 62,4A,03,00
B 00380120,0010,00,03,0A,14,1E,28,32,3C,46,50,5A,64, 78,94,BE,FA
B 00380130,0010,D6,D4,CC,A6,90,84,7D,77,72,6D,66,5D, 46,1B,00,00
B 00380200,0010,00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380210,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, 39,FF,FF,86
B 00380220,0010,FF,7F,18,05,3A,05,08,C8,1E,00,00,00, 20,C8,00,00
B 00380230,0010,00,CA,02,00,E3,88,C0,01,7C,90,A4,FF, F0,FF,FF,00
B 00380800,0010,45,00,32,38,31,31,30,35,4C,3C,01,00, 00,32,32,92
B 00380810,0010,65,B0,60,3D,82,57,03,44,B0,60,3D,82, 57,03,EC,8F
B 00380820,0010,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00
B 00380830,0010,10,0C,10,32,A0,E6,A2,07,04,10,28,FF, 38,04,24,C3
B 00380900,0010,0D,11,19,88,98,D2,00,00,00,00,00,87, FF,00,FF,C8
B 00380910,0010,16,78,78,0A,1C,05,46,08,15,9C,FF,05, 01,8F,8F,50
B 00380920,0010,3C,1F,1F,1F,50,28,28,12,09,06,06,06, 0C,FF,CB,71
B 00380930,0010,EA,EA,EA,5C,43,30,14,D5,88,F5,76,28, 69,0A,D6,FB
B 00380A00,0010,66,1C,00,00,00,00,00,00,06,00,00,00, 00,00,B5,28
B 00380A10,0010,01,03,80,66,04,E6,E0,32,7A,00,00,FF, FF,FF,B1,E9
B 00380A20,0010,00,03,80,66,03,E6,E0,32,7A,00,00,00, 00,5F,5C,F7
B 00380A30,0010,E9,06,0A,03,8C,87,12,02,88,A2,00,5F, 0A,00,C4,6E
B 00380B00,0010,01,A0,2C,08,12,AF,01,04,16,28,18,18, 05,00,47,63
B 00380B10,0010,1E,24,20,32,3C,3C,06,49,03,09,03,0C, E6,C6,C9,C9
B 00380B20,0010,13,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,8B,9D
B 00380B30,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,4B,6A
However the dummies version gave a coapi error 2061.
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The values in the nettodat read from the car that are not corrupted (i.e. haven't reverted to FF) are probably correct, try changing the values in your generated nettodat file to incorporate the known good information from your initial read (i.e):-
B 00380000,0010,8F,C3,FF,BF,0F,1E,00,00,7F,01,3D,FE, 3C,00,88,0F
B 00380010,0010,1E,AA,1E,34,00,7F,2F,9D,1E,28,50,00, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380020,0010,05,28,50,14,FF,07,07,07,96,32,0A,28, 78,3F,FF,FF
B 00380030,0010,28,03,00,39,FF,E8,00,39,0A,FF,FF,FF, 32,FF,10,10
B 00380100,0010,00,06,0A,14,1E,28,32,3C,46,55,5F,6E, 7D,96,BE,FA
B 00380110,0010,DE,DC,DA,BC,9C,8B,83,7F,7C,77,73,6B, 62,4A,03,00
B 00380120,0010,00,03,0A,14,1E,28,32,3C,46,50,5A,64, 78,94,BE,FA
B 00380130,0010,D6,D4,CC,A6,90,84,7D,77,72,6D,66,5D, 46,1B,00,00
B 00380200,0010,00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,FF,FF
B 00380210,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, 39,FF,FF,86
B 00380220,0010,FF,7F,18,05,3A,05,08,C8,1E,00,00,00, 22,C8,00,00
B 00380230,0010,00,CA,02,00,E3,88,C0,01,7C,90,A4,FF, F0,FF,FF,00
B 00380800,0010,45,00,32,38,31,31,30,35,4C,3C,01,00, 00,32,32,92
B 00380810,0010,65,B0,60,3D,82,57,03,44,B0,60,3D,82, 57,03,EC,8F
B 00380820,0010,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00
B 00380830,0010,10,0C,10,32,A0,E6,A2,07,04,10,28,FF, 38,04,24,C3
B 00380900,0010,0D,11,19,88,98,D2,00,00,00,00,00,87, FF,00,FF,C8
B 00380910,0010,16,78,78,0A,1C,05,46,08,15,9C,FF,05, 01,8F,8F,50
B 00380920,0010,3C,1F,1F,1F,50,28,28,12,09,06,06,06, 0C,FF,CB,71
B 00380930,0010,EA,EA,EA,5C,43,30,14,D5,88,F5,76,28, 69,0A,D6,FB
B 00380A00,0010,66,1C,00,00,00,00,00,00,06,00,00,00, 00,00,B5,28
B 00380A10,0010,01,03,80,66,04,E6,E0,32,7A,00,00,FF, FF,FF,B1,E9
B 00380A20,0010,00,03,80,66,03,E6,E0,32,7A,00,00,00, 00,5F,5C,F7
B 00380A30,0010,E9,06,0A,03,8C,87,12,02,88,A2,00,5F, 0A,00,C4,6E
B 00380B00,0010,01,A0,2C,08,12,AF,01,04,16,28,18,18, 05,00,47,63
B 00380B10,0010,1E,24,20,32,3C,3C,06,49,03,09,03,0C, E6,C6,C9,C9
B 00380B20,0010,13,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,8B,9D
B 00380B30,0010,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF, FF,FF,4B,6A
Last edited by David Mc; 05-24-2015 at 05:19 AM.
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Thanks for the reply David Mc. The values in the original trace are incorrect.
I recall I was going to try the folding mirror coding but the values were already activ. So I decided to code to default to see if the values reverted to nicht aktiv using expert profile and this is what happened.
BMW E36 Expert
Last weekend while in Germany I tried coding an E92. It looks like the E9x series is within the E89 daten files. In NCS Dummy you can see this.
I'm using an older NCS Expert version (3.0) but I had no trouble connecting to the car, reading its VIN and ZCS and it found all modules.
After reading the module (IDrive) I wanted to code, it found version CICM.C1A and I got a FSW_PSW.TRC file, which I checked and had correct info from the car. Also got the SYSDATEN.TRC, but no NETTODAT.TRC. Maybe that's where it goes wrong.
So then after trying to read the FSW.PSW.TRC file in NCS Dummy, with E89 chassis and CICM.C1A module chose, I get:
"An error occurred while reading "C:\NCS_Dummy\FSW_PSW.TRC": Unresolved function keyword "BAUREIHE". Make sure chassis and module match those of the trace file."
I usually have no problems matching chassis/modules/tracefiles.
I did get an error in NCS Expert while it was reading the module. I usually disgard it, as it happens all the time while doing my E36 or friends E46, but the coding always completes succesfully.
Maybe this chassis is too new and needs later versions of the BMW software?
1998 BMW M3 3.2 Cabrio Alpinweiί III on Schwarz German spec 1 of 12
SMG SRA PDC AUC OBC GSM HK UURS IHKA FGR MFL
IG: https://www.instagram.com/iflok/
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Sorry for the late reply. I did not get a topic reply notification...
NCS Dummy is very strict in parsing trace files so when you get error message "Unresolved <something>. Make sure chassis and module match those of the trace file" you can be certain that something is wrong. That's not NCS Dummy not supporting certain functionality but a red light that you should stop there. And with good reason! It is possible to disable the strict reading modes in the NCS Dummy options, but just as with the red light on a crossroad it is rarely a good idea to ignore the warning and continue...
By far the most common cause for ending up with that error message is not following the instructions to read trace files (chapter 6.1 in the NCS Dummy user manual). What usually goes wrong is users not realizing that the module shown in NCS Expert before reading is not necessarily the same as after reading. In NCS Dummy you should always use the module shown after reading the trace file in NCS Expert. Also keep in mind that the "FSW_PSW.TRC" file is used as some sort of a temporary file by NCS Expert for various actions. So most of the time it does not contain valid traces. In other words; straying from the instructions may leave you with an invalid trace file. Now, it's not like the instructions to read trace files are difficult - if you've followed them a few times you should have mastered the process.
I'm going to assume that you are familiar with the right procedure. Nevertheless it is clear that you ended up with the temporary trace file I mentioned before. So maybe NCS Expert was unable to translate the data it received from the car into a trace file. What did the error message in NCS Expert say in this particular case? And what error message do you typically get when working with the E36 or E46? It does not sound right to me. I don't get error messages in NCS Expert...
One thing to keep in mind is that your DATEN should be of the same version or newer as the ones last used to program the car. So if a particular car was serviced by a dealer last year and had its software updated, your DATEN should match or be newer than the version used by the dealer. If you don't respect this you may run into situations where NCS Expert receives data from the car it does not understand. With older chassis like the E36 and E46 it's not that much of an issue because there haven't been DATEN updates in ages, but with newer models it's something to keep in mind. This does not mean that using outdated DATEN is guaranteed to go wrong. Not all modules do receive updates and sometimes the changes are backwards compatible. Nevertheless it's good practice to keep your DATEN up-to-date if you are working with recent models.
Last edited by revtor; 06-17-2015 at 05:42 AM.
BMW E36 Expert
No problem, no hurry.
Yes I'm (now) very familiar with how NCS Expert + Dummy works. I have coded numerous stuff on numerous cars, including E46 M3 CSL M Track mode to non-CSL models.
So yes, it's probably out-of-date daten files.
1998 BMW M3 3.2 Cabrio Alpinweiί III on Schwarz German spec 1 of 12
SMG SRA PDC AUC OBC GSM HK UURS IHKA FGR MFL
IG: https://www.instagram.com/iflok/
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Hello!
First of all thank you for this great program. I am kinda newbie on this.
I would like to ask why all the ECU's config file is named the same "FSW_PSW.TRC" ?
Or maybe i have understand it incorrectly, but every time when you do the LESSEN (read) think the file is named the same.
What happens if you mistakenly upload a wrong FSW_PSW.MAN from KOMBI into for example SPEG. So that SPEG has the KOMBI file!?
Thank you!
I am just wondering so i can try to understand the program a little more.
BMW E36 Expert
NCS Dummy checks the module names and will report an error. Like I ran into in my post above.
So it should not be possible to code a module X with .TRC file from module Y.
1998 BMW M3 3.2 Cabrio Alpinweiί III on Schwarz German spec 1 of 12
SMG SRA PDC AUC OBC GSM HK UURS IHKA FGR MFL
IG: https://www.instagram.com/iflok/
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You should ask Softing/BMW as they developed NCS Expert. Logic and user-friendliness were clearly never high on on their list of priorities. Then again the application was never meant to be used by end users...
NCS Dummy makes working with NCS Expert a lot easier, less prone to making mistakes and even allows you to do things that were previously impossible, but it can't change the way NCS Expert works.
You'll get an error message in NCS Expert and no harm will be done. Things might get bad when you're coding from nettodata though...What happens if you mistakenly upload a wrong FSW_PSW.MAN from KOMBI into for example SPEG. So that SPEG has the KOMBI file!?
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Thank you very much for your fast responses ! You guys are so nice. Greetings from Sweden.
Is it possible to make the blinkers/turning-light blink every time when you lock the car with the remote? Even if its allready locked?
I know with VOLVO and AUDI the blinkers always blinks/flashs when locking the car with the remote, even if the car is already locked.
This make it easy to see from distance if the car is locked or not.
Thank you again.
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I am trying to understand the basics of bmw coding, SPdaten files is that files you need to send to your car to update? Or is it something you have on your computer to update ECU.
Hmmm.. hard to understand
Thank you!!!
BMW E36 Expert
The Daten files are the files that are used by NSC Expert. Well also by NCS Dummy, but they are BMW proprietary files. These files are the files that have all the options for every model/module coding index version and car model.
When you read a module, you compare the trace file to the original Daten file with NCS Dummy to make it understandable.
I would suggest reading the NCS Dummy manual from front to back. It will help a lot in understanding how everything works. It looks very hard at first, but once you get the hang of it, it's not that hard really.
1998 BMW M3 3.2 Cabrio Alpinweiί III on Schwarz German spec 1 of 12
SMG SRA PDC AUC OBC GSM HK UURS IHKA FGR MFL
IG: https://www.instagram.com/iflok/
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Thank you! I think i understand now.
I thought the daten files was files to upgrade your ECU. Something like a "firmware upgrade" to have more functions.
But now i understand (thank to you) that daten files is just used locally by NCS EXPERT to understand better what is coming in from the Car.
Thank you!
Last edited by alpalpha; 06-12-2015 at 11:09 AM. Reason: removed question.
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I am getting this error on an 2015 E89, Please help:
[ ] 14:15:51 NCS Dummy 0.6.0.4 launched.
[ ] 14:15:52 Loaded 14823 translations by revtor, IcemanBHE, joako, lolo, rdl, StefanL, rondo and LPCapital.
[ ] 14:15:52 Loaded NCS Expert DATEN folder "C:\NCSEXPER\DATEN\" with 1 chassis.
[ ] 14:15:59 Loaded chassis "E89" (E81, E82, E84, E87, E88, E89, E90, E91, E92 and E93) with 397 modules.
[ ] 14:15:59 Loaded module "ACC2_E90.C46" with 40 functions and 150 unoccupied blocks.
[ ] 14:16:12 Loaded module "CIC.C08" with 401 functions, 5 properties with 1 array and 32 unoccupied blocks.
[E] 14:16:45 An error occurred while reading "C:\NCSEXPER\WORK\FSW_PSW.TRC": Unresolved parameter keyword "wert_21" in function "AUX1". Make sure chassis and module match those of the trace file.
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I am getting this error, please help:
[ ] 14:36:42 NCS Dummy 0.6.0.4 launched.
[ ] 14:36:42 Loaded 14823 translations by revtor, IcemanBHE, joako, lolo, rdl, StefanL, rondo and LPCapital.
[ ] 14:36:43 Loaded NCS Expert DATEN folder "C:\NCSEXPER\DATEN\" with 1 chassis.
[ ] 14:36:49 Loaded chassis "E89" (E81, E82, E84, E87, E88, E89, E90, E91, E92 and E93) with 397 modules.
[ ] 14:36:59 Loaded module "CIC.C08" with 401 functions, 5 properties with 1 array and 32 unoccupied blocks.
[ ] 14:38:05 Restored module backup "CIC.C08".
[ ] 14:38:05 Loaded chassis "E89" (E81, E82, E84, E87, E88, E89, E90, E91, E92 and E93) with 397 modules.
[ ] 14:38:07 Loaded module "CIC.C08" with 401 functions, 5 properties with 1 array and 32 unoccupied blocks.
[ ] 14:39:23 Updated module "CIC.C08" with 2 new parameters.
[ ] 14:39:24 Loaded chassis "E89" (E81, E82, E84, E87, E88, E89, E90, E91, E92 and E93) with 397 modules.
[ ] 14:39:26 Loaded module "CIC.C08" with 401 functions, 5 properties with 1 array and 32 unoccupied blocks.
[E] 14:39:49 An error occurred while reading "C:\NCSEXPER\WORK\FSW_PSW.TRC": Unresolved parameter keyword "wert_21" in function "AUX1". Make sure chassis and module match those of the trace file.
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