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Thread: DIY- Subframe bushing removal/Install tool.... easy to use, for uber cheap!

  1. #101
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    I completed the bushing change last weekend, along with Bilsteins shocks/struts and H&R lowing springs. The bushing replacement wasn't too bad of a job.

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    My differential mount is still in great condition, hope to keep it that way.

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    Thank you to all those how preformed this repair.
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    I am going to replace my bushings this summer. Is there someome I can borrow the tool from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mevius View Post
    I am going to replace my bushings this summer. Is there someome I can borrow the tool from?
    Don't you have all sorts of "pipes" in the Netherlands?

    In CO, we surely do these days.
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    Can I rent this tool from someone?

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    Nice write-up! I like the way you think.

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    This may not work with the subframe still installed in the car. But this is the tool I used when I did the weld in camber/toe kit since I couldn't find the correct size pipe. For those who don't know it's a gas cylinder cap that I drilled a hole in the center of sorry airgas
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    Quote Originally Posted by laptop4079 View Post
    This may not work with the subframe still installed in the car. But this is the tool I used when I did the weld in camber/toe kit since I couldn't find the correct size pipe. For those who don't know it's a gas cylinder cap that I drilled a hole in the center of sorry airgas
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    LOL! What a simple and yet elegant solution__and right at your fingertips!

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    I made the bushing tool following the instruction in original post. Now the job is done, I'm willing to pass the tool onto someone who needs it. All you need is get some large washers. I'm in San Francisco south bay area if you want to pick it up. I can ship, but it's hefty and probably not worth the shipping cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfortynine View Post
    I made the bushing tool following the instruction in original post. Now the job is done, I'm willing to pass the tool onto someone who needs it. All you need is get some large washers. I'm in San Francisco south bay area if you want to pick it up. I can ship, but it's hefty and probably not worth the shipping cost.

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    I've got one as well. I spent about $60 building it, and shipping last time I lent it was around $19 each way. $20 is $20, but if you ever have to do the job a 2nd time, better off just building your own. However, anyone in the Denver area that needs one, I'm happy to lend. I just got Jon Martin's spring BBQ invitation, so I know there are a lot of Coupe owners around.
    Nathan in Denver

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    I just made this tool and used it on my Z3M. Worked great! I used S.S. threaded rod, coupler/nuts, and a heat gun. I pulled the bushing down about 3/4", then applied the heat for about 3 minutes, then pulled the bushing out easily. I disconnected driveshaft and diff mount, but not the shocks, giubo or ctr support. Notes that may be covered, but I didn't see: 1)I cut thd rod to 13" and it worked perfectly. 2) In hindsight, at re-assembly I would have tried starting the 4 d.s. studs before mounting the subframe. I'm not sure this would work, but I'd try it, because hooking up the d.s. last was a real fight. 3) At re-assembly, when lining up the subframe to the studs, it's important to have the diff hole close to it's mounting hole in the frame, about 3" below seems just right, to keep the subframe bushings parallel to the studs as you slide them in place. Also, it would be nice to have 2 jacks. I had to go back and forth a few times, using jack stands.

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    Thought i'd add my own input from my experience.

    I decided to go the route of using a torch on it.
    At first I tried a propane torch. It was a complete failure. It did not provide enough heat so even after heating the subframe area around the bushing and burning the bushings a bit, the hammer did absolutely nothing. It didnt budge even a single mm.

    I then decided to try a higher heat handheld torch. I went with one of the MAP/PRO ones.
    This was what was needed. It only took a few minutes of heating up the bushings and subframe around the bushing and a few wacks of the hammer and boom. Out like butter.

    Just another option if people happen to already have a MAP/Pro torch handy. No need to run around buying parts to make a tool.

    I scuffed up the subframe with a steel brush on a drill to remove all the rust, sprayed with primer, and then with paint. Ready to go in this week when my subframe reinforcement gets done.

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    Does anyone know if these parts as described will work on a E53? (2004 X5)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellrot99M3 View Post
    FYI, I found this set on sale at Harbor Freight a few years back and it handled pretty much every bushing on an E36. I don't know if it will work on the Z3/E30 rear subframe bushings, but I'm getting ready to do my bushings soon. I guess I'll find out.
    Anyone here have experience using these HF ball joint service kits to remove E36 rear subframe bushings (with the subframe removed from the car)?

    Using the ubiquitous 20% off HF coupon, the kit is only $80, which is about what you'd spend to build the homemade pipe press discussed in this thread.

    Wondering if the HF kits include adapters of the appropriate size to remove the subframe bushings.

    Tipsy
    Last edited by TipsyMcStagger; 08-03-2017 at 02:36 PM.

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    I just did mine. That HF tool looks cumbersome compared to the tool I made per this thread. It cost about $65 to make, plus a drive downtown and an hour labor. That tool is for sale for $50 plus shipping. See my ad on this site or Phoenix CL if interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger View Post
    Anyone here have experience using these HF ball joint service kits to remove E36 rear subframe bushings (with the subframe removed from the car)?
    I used a similar method based on this thread using a HF Tie Rod & Pitman Arm Puller $14.99 tool. https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...bframe+bushing
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    The HF kit works great. I didn't use the C-Clamp that came with the kit as much as I used threaded rod through the adapters. The good thing about the kit is the variety of sizes that come with it. For some reason, I also seem to remember using a front hub socket from a 4WD Explorer I had many years ago too. Basically, anything I could find lying around that was round and hollow was a candidate for a tool. Since I used solid aluminum diff bushings, I used those bushings to press out the old ones and install the new ones all in one motion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellrot99M3 View Post
    The HF kit works great. I didn't use the C-Clamp that came with the kit as much as I used threaded rod through the adapters. The good thing about the kit is the variety of sizes that come with it. For some reason, I also seem to remember using a front hub socket from a 4WD Explorer I had many years ago too. Basically, anything I could find lying around that was round and hollow was a candidate for a tool. Since I used solid aluminum diff bushings, I used those bushings to press out the old ones and install the new ones all in one motion.
    Good feedback. Thanks.

    Looks like Advance Auto has a free loaner ball joint service kit with plenty of included adapters and I've got some threaded rod in the garage.

    Tipsy

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    Looks like that one has quite a few more adapters than the HF tool kit.

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    I am not able to see your pictures. All I see is:



    Am I doing something wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpschafer View Post
    I am not able to see your pictures. All I see is:
    Here's is the picture you weren't able to see:

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    I received IE rear subframe bushings this morning. Does anyone have a RSFB tool they would like to loan, rent, sell?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by cushjbc View Post
    I received IE rear subframe bushings this morning. Does anyone have a RSFB tool they would like to loan, rent, sell?

    Thanks,
    $100 shipped

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    That looks right but the label says it is for trailing arm bushings - I'm interested, just need to figure out if it will work on the subframe bushings
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmw2nv View Post
    Bringing this back....

    But this DIY tool will work on an e36 328i subframe right?
    I can't answer your specific question, but I warn you that you may find that the cost of the parts has increased to the point that the difference between this do-it-yourself solution and buying the correct tool is such that it is not worth the added headaches. I used this method to replace the bushings on my Z3 and when all was said and done, I had almost 3/4 the cost invested in the DIY parts as the correct tool would have cost.

    Alternatively, you may be able to find a loaner or used tool from people on this Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinHalverson View Post
    I can't answer your specific question, but I warn you that you may find that the cost of the parts has increased to the point that the difference between this do-it-yourself solution and buying the correct tool is such that it is not worth the added headaches. I used this method to replace the bushings on my Z3 and when all was said and done, I had almost 3/4 the cost invested in the DIY parts as the correct tool would have cost.

    Alternatively, you may be able to find a loaner or used tool from people on this Forum.
    This is a very good point. I've not priced these tools or parts for at least a decade and it is very likely the tool is no longer 3-400 bucks. As I have said before, the commercial tool works way better. The DYI tool is Joe Lunch Bucket getting by, which I have been known for all my life.
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