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    How do I get on he tool rental list?
    I have the touring 528it
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    Quote Originally Posted by av8r4aa View Post
    How do I get on he tool rental list?
    I have the touring 528it
    We have a tool in stock.

    800.208.6448

    Thanks!
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    So glad I found this as I plan tackling this soon as well. Thanks for the terrific writeup/contribution!

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    Found a man a town over that has his own touring bushing tool !!!!
    Couple of quick questions, where do I find the emulsion fluid?

    Noticed several different manufacturers of the subframe bushings.
    Is there one brand better than the other?

    (I plan on buying a brand name , not eBay stuff )
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    Quote Originally Posted by av8r4aa View Post
    Found a man a town over that has his own touring bushing tool !!!!
    Couple of quick questions, where do I find the emulsion fluid?

    Noticed several different manufacturers of the subframe bushings.
    Is there one brand better than the other?

    (I plan on buying a brand name , not eBay stuff )
    The Meyle are not fluid filled and will not crack and fail like the OEM ones. They're our most popular bushing.

    http://www.eaceuroparts.com/catalog/product/437
    Last edited by jnyost; 11-11-2012 at 09:42 PM.
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    I have Bilsteins all around on my wagon, and I hate them.
    Clunking front struts and way to harsh for my tastes.
    What do I need for the fronts that give a nice comfortable ride.

    I am new to the car and to sure if I have the M sport suspension ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by av8r4aa View Post
    I have Bilsteins all around on my wagon, and I hate them.
    Clunking front struts and way to harsh for my tastes.
    What do I need for the fronts that give a nice comfortable ride.

    I am new to the car and to sure if I have the M sport suspension ....

    2000 528it
    What Bilsteins are they? How old? Is the clunk from the strut or the mount?

    You could return to Sachs for comfort. The new Bilsteins are not harsh like the old ones. If the struts are shot, I'd swap them out under warranty and see if you're happier with the new ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by av8r4aa View Post
    I have Bilsteins all around on my wagon, and I hate them.
    Clunking front struts and way to harsh for my tastes.
    What do I need for the fronts that give a nice comfortable ride.

    I am new to the car and to sure if I have the M sport suspension ....

    2000 528it
    Clunk? What's clunking in front? I have the non-clunking Bilstiens.

    I like your six... I sold mine earlier this year...

    1999 540it - Schwartz II/Sand Beige, style 5 rims, Conti DWS 235/45 tires, Billy HD/Sports, Stoptech S/S BL, F1 Pinacle 35% tint, Zionsville Cooling kit
    1998 318ti Cali Sport - Schwartz II/Schwartz Anthratz, staggered style 23
    1997 318ti Sport - Schwartz II/Schwartz Anthratz, staggered style 68 ,

    1995 318ti Active - Alpineweib III/Schwartz, squared style 32
    1994 325i - Bostongrau/Tan, Billy Sports, H&R springs
    1991 318ic - Schwarz/Anthratz Stoff, Bilstien HD, Z4 3.0 SS, Magnaflow, S/S Stress bar, x-brace, M20 FW, Elipsoid/HID, K&N

    BMWCCA# 160411

    1995 318ti Sport Schwartz II/Schwartz Anthratz - Sold
    1985 635CSI - Schwartz\Sand - Sold

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    Bilsteins are less than 6 months old.
    I have had a smoother ride when I used to do
    hurricane penetration research flying.

    I can not understand the love fest with these yellow concrete
    pillars called Bilsteins .


    They suck !!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by av8r4aa View Post
    Bilsteins are less than 6 months old.
    I have had a smoother ride when I used to do
    hurricane penetration research flying.

    I can not understand the love fest with these yellow concrete
    pillars called Bilsteins .


    They suck !!!!!!
    There is something wrong. What part numbers did you install? By no means are they hard like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by av8r4aa View Post
    Bilsteins are less than 6 months old.
    I have had a smoother ride when I used to do
    hurricane penetration research flying.

    I can not understand the love fest with these yellow concrete
    pillars called Bilsteins .


    They suck !!!!!!
    Interesting. In perspective though, I ran Sports and Eibachs on my 533i for 25 years and I may be just used to the ride or something in yours is amiss. I run Sports or HDs on 4 of my current Bimmers and have no noises or harshness.

    In comparison, I have used Konis and KYBs as well. No noises unless a supporting component had failed or if I them installed incorrectly.

    I hope you figure yours out or find a great replacement. If you're in my area, we can trade keys and compare ride quality.

    1999 540it - Schwartz II/Sand Beige, style 5 rims, Conti DWS 235/45 tires, Billy HD/Sports, Stoptech S/S BL, F1 Pinacle 35% tint, Zionsville Cooling kit
    1998 318ti Cali Sport - Schwartz II/Schwartz Anthratz, staggered style 23
    1997 318ti Sport - Schwartz II/Schwartz Anthratz, staggered style 68 ,

    1995 318ti Active - Alpineweib III/Schwartz, squared style 32
    1994 325i - Bostongrau/Tan, Billy Sports, H&R springs
    1991 318ic - Schwarz/Anthratz Stoff, Bilstien HD, Z4 3.0 SS, Magnaflow, S/S Stress bar, x-brace, M20 FW, Elipsoid/HID, K&N

    BMWCCA# 160411

    1995 318ti Sport Schwartz II/Schwartz Anthratz - Sold
    1985 635CSI - Schwartz\Sand - Sold

    1984 533i "Max" - Schwarz/Schwarz, - Sold
    1984 318i - Champagne/Tan, Stock - Sold

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    Emulsion Fluid Alternatives

    av8r4aa
    Maybe I'm a bit late with this but here goes.
    The TIS mentions Circolight when fitting the new bushes but a suitable alternative, and shown on my hard copy of the parts list/ETK, is turpentine, either natural turpentine oil or mineral turpentine.
    Circolight is a petroleum byproduct used in the rubber industry and so is mineral turpentine. I'm not sure what mineral turpentine is called in the USA, perhaps white spirit????, but thats what I used.
    I carried out some tests on the old bushings first. Painted on both natural and mineral turpentine and both softened the rubber and when it evaporated the rubber went back to its original state. Made pressing in the new bushings easy. Its been 2 years now and no problems. Some who have used other alternatives such as soapy water have had the bushes move and had to do the job again.
    Its interesting to know the Meyle solid bushes have the same problems as the fluid filled originals as I thought I might use these if there is a next time but not now. I got my bushes as a Lemfoerder part (not genuine BMW part) from a UK supplier and found they where exactly the same even to the BMW part number moulded on then and partly removed. They just came in a Lemfoerder box.

    Hope this helps
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    They Meyle bushings have not shown to fail yet.
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    jnyost, do you guys sell the M5 part (is it he same as the 540?). Will buy through you to get a discount on the installation tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbdefine View Post
    jnyost, do you guys sell the M5 part (is it he same as the 540?). Will buy through you to get a discount on the installation tool.
    Are you looking for Touring or Sedan bushings? All of the subframe bushings are the same between models.

    Thanks!
    Jared
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnyost View Post
    Are you looking for Touring or Sedan bushings? All of the subframe bushings are the same between models.

    Thanks!
    Jared
    2002 M5 Sedan

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    I have had a smoother ride when I used to do
    hurricane penetration research flying.
    This made me LOL.

    I have Koni yellow sports (single adjustable for rebound) on the front of my touring and BMW dealer supplied SACHs sports on the rear. Ride has been great and it is going on a couple of years now.

    I had Bilsteins in one of my E30iXs years ago ... didn't like them. In my experience Bilsteins are built just as well as Konis .... difference being non-adjustable and Bilsteins have a stiffer compression setting.

    Have Koni yellows (sports) in 3 BMWs currently and in two Porsches (Koni Classics and Koni Reds)... one of which I vintage race. Use JRZ and Moton in other race cars b/c need high and low speed bump/rebound adjustments.

    Have never had a failure in the konis and like the adjustability of rebound settings (though it isn't really that much/range).

    Cheers.
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    How about having this thread towed to the touring section..

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    Another Touring Done!

    I got the '99 done yesterday! The old bushings were hammered. What a difference in ride quality! The car is transformed.

    BTW, I went with the Meyle solid bushings from EAC. Love the ride quality, although the only comparison is the thrashed originals.
    Last edited by SailingFool; 12-02-2012 at 01:49 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Quote Originally Posted by SailingFool View Post
    I got the '99 done yesterday! The old bushings were hammered. What a difference in ride quality! The car is transformed.

    BTW, I went with the Meyle solid bushings from EAC. Love the ride quality, although the only comparison is the thrashed originals.
    Good deal! Glad you're pleased.
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    Can anyone who has run these Meyle's for a good amount of time confirm how solid they are etc? I need to do this job soon and since I will be making almost 600 ft lbs of torque, I need the strongest and stiffest bushings I can find. In the past I had been told Meyle was subpar for replacement parts.

    TIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RVAE34 View Post
    Can anyone who has run these Meyle's for a good amount of time confirm how solid they are etc? I need to do this job soon and since I will be making almost 600 ft lbs of torque, I need the strongest and stiffest bushings I can find. In the past I had been told Meyle was subpar for replacement parts.

    TIA.
    If you want something super still you may want to consider poly bushings. The Meyle are not fluid filled and will not fail like the OEM bushings, but they're not designed to be stiffer. They are designed to to last significantly longer without compromising ride quality. Regardless of your torque, I don't think you'll cause them to fail but they aren't necessarily "stiff".
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    I wish someone made poly's for the touring! I shouldn't have said stiffer. I just want something that holds up as long as possible as I have read the stock ones wear out often. It's not a job I want to do often either

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    Quote Originally Posted by RVAE34 View Post
    I wish someone made poly's for the touring! I shouldn't have said stiffer. I just want something that holds up as long as possible as I have read the stock ones wear out often. It's not a job I want to do often either
    I'm sure we/you could have poly ones made. I just don't know what kind of road noise or harshness you'd gain.

    I don't think you'd be tearing out the Meyle ones. That's definitely what I would go with if I were in your shoes. The rubber itself doesn't really fail. The fluid filled areas leak when the bushings get hairline cracks. Once the fluid is gone you have nothing but thin rubber walls supporting your bushing. That's the advantage of the Meyle HD. They are not fluid filled. Where there is normally fluid, Meyle cast solid rubber.
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    Let me know how much for Poly. I installed Powerflex in my E34 and loved it. The rear subframe bushings are one place I don't mind poly.

    I am potentially open to the Meyle's as you stated they don't have the fluid which is a win. But I would still prefer poly if the price is reasonable. I know there are several others who would be all over it if you offered them in poly. There were a few of us e-mailing AKG to try

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