View Full Version : How E34Mekanik and I spent Saturday
We decided to barter labor... he recovered my headliner, A-pillars, C-pillars, and rear deck and I installed a Hari-rigged MAF conversion for him. :) I decided to charge my AC while I was out there as well. Time flies when you are working on cars. We went through breakfast, lunch, 3 beers, and a snack before all was said and done. Here are few pics from a very long day.
Here is E34Mekanik stripping the headliner. :) That's his car in the pic.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Dlorah/Workday-07.jpg
Here is him installing some nice black fabric. :cool That's my car in the pic.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Dlorah/Workday-05.jpg
And here is a very dark picture of it in the car. Much better than my sagging old grey headliner. :buttrock
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Dlorah/Workday-04.jpg
Here is the magical disappearing AFM from E34Mekanik's car. :confused
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Dlorah/Workday-06.jpg
Here it is replaced with a Ford Lightning MAF sensor. Before anyone says anything... yes that is a cone filter sitting right over the exhaust manifolds. :rolleyes The MAF pipe was too short to put the stock airbox on so we had to do this in the interim.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Dlorah/Workday-03.jpg
Here is E34Mekanik listening to the jet-like induction noise from his engine. :D It really woke his car up though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Dlorah/Workday-02.jpg
Here is me getting ready to go back upstairs after a long day. My wife was not pleased that I didn't spend any time with her today.... :help
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Dlorah/Workday-01.jpg
clevertd
05-03-2008, 11:19 PM
Looks like fun, which fabric was used? I need to do my headliner and rear parcel shelf.
sounds like you both had a productive day.
What wheels are those?.. I like them!
E34Mekanik
05-03-2008, 11:28 PM
Man, that was an awesome day. How could I resist? Hari was like, "I need a new headliner." I was like, "I know how to do that, this bud's for you bud." He was like, "tell ya what Scott, bring the headliner stuff and I'll put an MAF on your M30." Uhhhh....:worship: I had a nice little drive home by the way. Really opened up for me. REALLY. :eyecrazy The sound was incredible too. I can definitely tell a difference (understatement) and I would actually bet money right now that we've hit the 200 mark to the wheels already. I stomped it to pass somebody like I usually do and I was literally thrown back and stuck to my seat all the way to the next gear. Can't thank you enough, just hope I did enough for your interior.:buttrock:drink1
E30SPDFRK
05-03-2008, 11:29 PM
Love the wheels, they come from an e32, right?
sounds like you both had a productive day.
What wheels are those?.. I like them!
15x7 forged Style 3's that came off a Euro E23 745i turbo. They look bigger than 15" because of the style of the wheel. They are my old faithfuls that I go back to between wheel whoring. :) I just put new black/white roundels on them today.
Stir Fry A Lot
05-03-2008, 11:35 PM
What is this hari rigged maf that you speak of?
15x7 forged Style 3's that came off a Euro E23 745i turbo. They look bigger than 15" because of the style of the wheel. They are my old faithfuls that I go back to between wheel whoring. :) I just put new black/white roundels on them today.
ahh.. no wonder.. there is no picture here (http://www.k-lach.net/) for the style 3's.. but I knew I had seen them before. Those are sweet.
What is this hari rigged maf that you speak of?
He could have used other words, but he's a good guy. It's basically adapting a MAF sensor from a ford engine (what some say the Miller MAF is based off of.)
Looks like fun, which fabric was used? I need to do my headliner and rear parcel shelf.
If Scott finds the receipt we'll let you know the exact brand, but he bought it from Hancock Fabrics. It's a really nice material!
What is this hari rigged maf that you speak of?
It's a Ford Lightning MAF sensor installed on a 3" diameter intake pipe from Pep Boys. Tuning is via an extra Miller MAF conversion chip I had laying around.
slocar
05-03-2008, 11:50 PM
It's a Ford Lightning MAF sensor installed on a 3" diameter intake pipe from Pep Boys. Tuning is via an extra Miller MAF conversion chip I had laying around.
Tell me more (and when I say more, I mean the wiring).
btw, would Miller sell a chip separately?
edit: you don't happen to have the ford part number too, do you?
im really interested in possibly doing this.
Goathumper
05-03-2008, 11:56 PM
how hard was it to physically mount?
Ive always wanted to try MS + MAF
Tell me more (and when I say more, I mean the wiring).
Piecing together a conversion will save you money, but you won't get Miller tech support or a warranty if you do it. I officially warn you to do it at your own risk. PM me though if you are a risk taker. :)
525ispy
05-04-2008, 12:01 AM
This sounds like a possible upgrade for me too. More info is definitely wanted here. Already made a CAI for my ride and that was noticeable.
how hard was it to physically mount?
Ive always wanted to try MS + MAF
Child's play, especially for you. Call me sometime, we need to catch up anyway.
clevertd
05-04-2008, 12:04 AM
Ive always wanted to try MS + MAF
see the new thread in the FI section about a DME editor being released?
see the new thread in the FI section about a DME editor being released?
179 DME editor? Link me please?
E34Mekanik
05-04-2008, 12:06 AM
I'm just the guinea pig here, but whatever Hari rigged up....works. It's redunk. Albeit my engine setup was completely stock before today (ie any improvement would seem great), but it really is a different car. I stretched it wide open before my engine bay air temp was too hot on the way home. It was then that my engine decided to finally sit down and eat a 3 course meal of green lights plenty of pavement and civics.
I just noticed that I used 'redunk' and 'albeit' right next to each other.
clevertd
05-04-2008, 12:12 AM
179 DME editor? Link me please?
Says it should include our ECUs in addition to all OBD1 and the majority of OBDII
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=996261
I'm just the guinea pig here, but whatever Hari rigged up....works. It's redunk. Albeit my engine setup was completely stock before today (ie any improvement would seem great), but it really is a different car. I stretched it wide open before my engine bay air temp was too hot on the way home. It was then that my engine decided to finally sit down and eat a 3 course meal of green lights plenty of pavement and civics.
I just noticed that I used 'redunk' and 'albeit' right next to each other.
Reminds me of my first night with the MAF:stickoutt, glad to hear you're enjoying it!
slocar
05-04-2008, 12:18 AM
Hari, you got PM.
screwbiedoo15
05-04-2008, 03:57 AM
Man you guys make me so jealous with your MAFs. Mine just got put on and my dad has been driving my car, but I haven't been able to drive it yet and probably won't be able to for like 6 more weeks
Man you guys make me so jealous with your MAFs. Mine just got put on and my dad has been driving my car, but I haven't been able to drive it yet and probably won't be able to for like 6 more weeks
If he is driving your car what are you driving?
If he is driving your car what are you driving?
Eric is down south at school.. his car is up north. Sux for you Eric... good for your dad...:D
screwbiedoo15
05-04-2008, 02:43 PM
Eric is down south at school.. his car is up north. Sux for you Eric... good for your dad...:D
yeah, i'm away at school, so no car for me :(
it's a bummer that my mom and dad get to drive my car all the time right now but i'm just happy that it's finally running. the Miller MAF turned out to be quite the hastle, though partly due to a mistake by myself
Bluntfunk
05-04-2008, 03:08 PM
black headliner, so dope.
Monastie
05-04-2008, 05:57 PM
any pics of the headliner done around the sunroof?
I did mine and that part didn't come up good partly because of the fabric... I'm guna redo it or get it redone soon...
and isnt that air intake placement bad because of the heat?
Erick
05-04-2008, 06:25 PM
it was noted, its temporary
SC David
05-04-2008, 06:57 PM
Looks like some good work. Those wheels are pretty sick, Hari.
E34Mekanik
05-04-2008, 10:07 PM
any pics of the headliner done around the sunroof?
That part WAS really hard. Somehow mine came out perfect, but when I went to do Hari's it wouldn't wrap flush around the corners. And it gave me a crease after on the front side after I wrapped the other 3. I worked the crease to the center so everything's at least symmentrical; I feel really bad that everything didn't work perfectly, although the fabric I used for his looks better than mine. His (and most of our) sunroof switch plate lost its prongs and wouldn't snap back in. I foresaw the problem and decided to wrap the headliner over the plate instead giving him a "floating" sunroof switch (still fully functional and attached firm to the plate). I don't know why the fabric doesn't look black because that's as black as it gets in person. Sorry, this is the only picture I got of the sunroof portion. (no corner shots).
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3636/creasevs5.jpghttp://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5019/mafes3.jpghttp://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8266/twinsil1.jpg
I guess the cone is pulling in hot air, but how much cooler is the air right behind the passenger high beam (stock air box air supply)? I plan on keeping the cone and wrapping it more towards the front of the bay isolated with a heat shield as well. Maybe I'll even get rid of the passenger high beam ;). j/k
The perfect garage. CAR TWINS!! (yeah right:rolleyes)
I like that little starburst reflecting off the cone filter... like "bling". :)
slocar
05-05-2008, 10:25 AM
So what happens when you guys need to reach the sunroof motor? Remove the whole headliner?
So what happens when you guys need to reach the sunroof motor? Remove the whole headliner?
Or cut a hole... :) The sunroof motor was replaced at some point it seems so hopefully it lasts a while.
Binjammin
05-05-2008, 11:50 AM
I guess the cone is pulling in hot air, but how much cooler is the air right behind the passenger high beam (stock air box air supply)?
A whole lot actually.
E34Mekanik
05-05-2008, 04:10 PM
A whole lot actually.
Oh...:crazya
So I should wrap the cone to a cooler climate, huh. All I need now is an elbow, some piping, and a heat shield. where's the best place to gets?
:coolMy sunroof switch is dangling for now until I can buy a new plate.
Oh, Hari I got the hours I wanted at Auto Europe today, now I work there fo reals, not just here & there.
Crog hungry. Crog eat now.:cheeburga
billygoat777
05-05-2008, 04:27 PM
So wait, just by changing the AFM, it adds a lot of horsepower? It's not like a performance part or anything?
Oh, Hari I got the hours I wanted at Auto Europe today, now I work there fo reals, not just here & there.
Crog hungry. Crog eat now.:cheeburga
Good deal! Now you have money for mods... you don't need food. :)
slocar
05-05-2008, 04:31 PM
So wait, just by changing the AFM, it adds a lot of horsepower? It's not like a performance part or anything?
The AFM is very restrictive. Between the narrow passage and the barn door flap thing, it can't really let in that much air.
The MAF (the one used) comes from a supercharged 5.4 liter ... so it can flow as much as the engine wants.
The ECU is retuned to take advantage of it with a performance chip tuned for the MAF; you can't just throw on a MAF and call it a day.
I hope that answers your question.
So wait, just by changing the AFM, it adds a lot of horsepower? It's not like a performance part or anything?
It is changing the AFM to a MAF instead along with an optimized tune. Miller sells the official kit for about $530. http://www.millerperformancecars.com/
E34Mekanik
05-05-2008, 05:38 PM
Good deal! Now you have money for mods... you don't need food. :)
Crog eat pavement now! :embarrasm
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9770/rachelbg5.jpg
Check out what I found in my driveway when I came home. The really hot chic upstairs just snagged one.
It has red leather too. I'd take that over any E60.
billygoat777
05-05-2008, 05:43 PM
The AFM is very restrictive. Between the narrow passage and the barn door flap thing, it can't really let in that much air.
The MAF (the one used) comes from a supercharged 5.4 liter ... so it can flow as much as the engine wants.
The ECU is retuned to take advantage of it with a performance chip tuned for the MAF; you can't just throw on a MAF and call it a day.
I hope that answers your question.
Ah so wait, is the power difference actually felt by swapping the AFM to a MAF or from the chip? I mean just getting a chip adds 40 hp, how much does it add with the MAF too?
screwbiedoo15
05-05-2008, 06:17 PM
Ah so wait, is the power difference actually felt by swapping the AFM to a MAF or from the chip? I mean just getting a chip adds 40 hp, how much does it add with the MAF too?
40hp from a chip is not gonna happen. usually a chip will give around 10whp more than stock. people have seen around 20-25whp over the stock power with the Miller MAF and their chip.
billygoat777
05-05-2008, 06:54 PM
40hp from a chip is not gonna happen. usually a chip will give around 10whp more than stock. people have seen around 20-25whp over the stock power with the Miller MAF and their chip.
Ah ic, all I know is that the Conforti chip for the m30 engine says +40 hp on the turner motorsports site, I guess that not to the wheels though
e34moneypit
05-05-2008, 06:57 PM
Check out what I found in my driveway when I came home. The really hot chic upstairs just snagged one.
It has red leather too. I'd take that over any E60.
pics of said hot chick or ban
slocar
05-05-2008, 08:36 PM
Ah ic, all I know is that the Conforti chip for the m30 engine says +40 hp on the turner motorsports site, I guess that not to the wheels though
No chip will give you 40hp ... at the wheels or at the crank, it doesn't matter ... 40hp is simply not possible on an otherwise stock engine.
billygoat777
05-05-2008, 10:15 PM
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/subcategory_detail.asp?modelcode=E34&subcat_id=74
So this means that they are giving false advertisement? Look at the 3rd chip down.
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/subcategory_detail.asp?modelcode=E34&subcat_id=74
So this means that they are giving false advertisement? Look at the 3rd chip down.
They mean 40hp somewhere in the curve NOT 40 PEAK HP. Look at a dyno graph... there are places where the HP is not at it's highest level... if the chip added 40HP at that ONE POINT it does not mean your car has 40 more PEAK HP. There really needs to be a sticky about this because so many people are confused and these companies don't do anything to dispel these myths.
Here is an example dyno graph. This is with a Dinan chip and a LOT of engine work... no 40HP gain over the stock 170rwhp.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Dlorah/535Dyno-Chip.jpg
E34Mekanik
05-05-2008, 11:44 PM
pics of said hot chick or ban
I know I wish! She said I can drive it anytime, so maybe I'll get a pic of her and me when that happens. But she's married and kinda hard to get at. A little older but the perfect ~30-35 milf.:embarrasm
clevertd
05-09-2008, 10:48 PM
Gotten an intake pipe made yet? I got exposed to quite a bit of flow equations this semester and here's a little paragraph from this book (http://www.amazon.com/Engine-Management-Advanced-Greg-Banish/dp/1932494421) that relates to what I learned this semester
"Constant diameter approaching the MAF sensor is also desirable. Remember that the same mass flow through a smaller diameter increases velocity. If the diameter of the plumbing increase immediately ahead of the MAF sensor, it often results in an unstable charge flow with plenty of tumbling. This tumbling air may cause the wire element to read incorrectly depending on inlet flow and velocity. A length of straight, constant diameter pipe is preferred before any MAF sensor. Typically this length should be at least double the diameter. This gives any tumbling flow an opporunity to stabilize before entering the sensor."
Crazy what you learn in school that directly relates to what you enjoy:D
E34Mekanik
05-09-2008, 11:11 PM
Gotten an intake pipe made yet?....Crazy what you learn in school that directly relates to what you enjoy:D
I don't exactly have a plan yet. Open to ideas. My boss said to make a box out of cardboard, cover it in tin (or foil etc.) right behind the passenger headlights or even inplace of the washer tank (just bought a new one! :mad). Place cone in the box, and pipe my way to the MAF....
Pic for visual reference:
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/7206/maf2ee9.jpg
Man, I'm exhausted, gotta go. We spent all day pulling the S50 out of an E36 M3. I guess the owner's putting in an S52....I wants.
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