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[MrOffshore]

I am a member of no less than 10 different forums raning from offshore powerboating to BMW's and never in any other forum have I experienced such attitude toward topics that have already been discussed. It appears that if something has already been discussed...even if it were three freaking years ago it's a big taboo to discuss it again with new opinions. My latest thread was even locked.

I sense a sort of smug attitude, not just on this forum but many others. I realize you don't want to address the same things over and over but is it so wrong to want to create a dialogue with other members in a now and today moment.

I could probably take the top 20 threads and find somewhere in the history of this forum that the topic was already discussed. That being the case why don't we just lock down the entire forum and just use it as a research site using on the search feature.

Is it just me or does anyone else find this annoying. If you don't like a topic or feel it's been beat to death simply ignore it and it will find itself 3 pages back in a few days...out of your sight and a little less frustrating to some of you that find discussing certain topics to be so damn painful.

I would guess this thread will be found to be off-topic or already discussed...it'll be locked down and or towed. Kind of reminiscent of Nazi Germany...I guess I'm sorry I ever posted anything on this site without first doing a search...I kind of thought this was a forum for active discussions, not just research.

Oh well...I just felt like venting a little as I am tired of the smug BMW attitude of some of the membes and moderators of this and some other BMW forums....flame away...hell ban me if you want, I wouldn't expect much less.

[thekurgan]

I have to agree with you. Too many arrogant asses just can't stand to ignore a thread, they HAVE to say something "go search", "been discussed". People: if you see a topic that you don't want to chime in about, move on, plain and simple. Moderators: let us converse, there's no way this forum or any other forum is bogged down by extra posts.

[MrOffshore]

Amen!!

[aus]

I agree without, but Nazi Germany? common now.

[///MINI]

No arrogance intended. Very difficult to moderate multiple threads on the same topic with limited time. What's so smug about trying to keep things organized per the owner's request? Why don't you just post in the older thread to resurrect the discussion, if you have anything new to add which will bring the topic current again?

[MrOffshore]

I guess there are two sides to everything...the way I see it is, should have to stop and do a search for every topic you're considering posting...and in addition, as my first post in this thread stated, you can look at the top 20 threads and they've more than likely be discussed in the past...like, who cares if some teenager has a BMW...why do they feel it's necessary to gain the approval of this forum...is that really a topic that belongs in this thread?? I would guess not, I think you should consider adding a section for teenagers that own BMW's that have self importance issues...or at least a BMW Therapy section.

But you know...I'm like most of the logical members here, when I see something like that, if I'm not interested in seeing it I pass over it...sooner or later it will end up three or four pages back...not sitting on the front page for weeks on end. If for some reason it ends up sticking around I guess the popular vote would be that it was of interest to the members of the forum.

I think the purpose of moderation is making certain that debates don't turn into heated arguments, overseeing that members follow the basic guidelines, rules and treat each other with respect...pointing out that some threads may belong in a different section...not locking down a post that is addressing a subject that was addressed two or three years ago.

Every month new people join this forum...I haven't been a member all that long, but trust in that I post on quite a few different forums...over 10 and I have never before seen members and moderators treat people so poorly than on BMW forums...not necessarily with name calling or stuff like that, but more with just basic respect of another opinions or desire to gain informaiton...maybe it's the car, or the kind of people drawn to the car..I hate to think that's it, but what else can it be??

[mryakan]

No arrogance intended. Very difficult to moderate multiple threads on the same topic with limited time. What's so smug about trying to keep things organized per the owner's request? Why don't you just post in the older thread to resurrect the discussion, if you have anything new to add which will bring the topic current again?
I am with MINI on this, it is hard as it is to keep this place tidy with the duplicates and misplaced posts. There is also a sticky on this:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=889045

I have no issue resurrecting old threads to revive the discussion, but to keep creating duplicate threads on the same topic just creates a mess and makes it harder for new comers to find concise info on the topic.

[mryakan]

I guess there are two sides to everything...the way I see it is, should have to stop and do a search for every topic you're considering posting...and in addition, as my first post in this thread stated, you can look at the top 20 threads and they've more than likely be discussed in the past...like, who cares if some teenager has a BMW...why do they feel it's necessary to gain the approval of this forum...is that really a topic that belongs in this thread?? I would guess not, I think you should consider adding a section for teenagers that own BMW's that have self importance issues...or at least a BMW Therapy section.
Every month new people join this forum...I haven't been a member all that long, but trust in that I post on quite a few different forums...over 10 and I have never before seen members and moderators treat people so poorly than on BMW forums...not necessarily with name calling or stuff like that, but more with just basic respect of another opinions or desire to gain informaiton...maybe it's the car, or the kind of people drawn to the car..I hate to think that's it, but what else can it be??



No clue what you are talking about here.



I think the purpose of moderation is making certain that debates don't turn into heated arguments, overseeing that members follow the basic guidelines, rules and treat each other with respect...pointing out that some threads may belong in a different section...not locking down a post that is addressing a subject that was addressed two or three years ago.


In the end this is a privately run forum and we help the owners maintain their rules, you have an issue with the way the forum is run, take it with the admins, you are just wasting your breath here, we mods can't change the rules.

[///MINI]

Every forum explicitly asks members to thoughtfully use the search function prior to posting new topics. This is not a new concept. This is not arrogance. This is simple courtesy. For 99% of the members, old and new, this is not an issue. Using the search function is thoughtful to long-time members who don't want to revisit already answered topics and to new members who don't want to wade through 10 threads about winter tires just to get the answers they seek. All forums ask the same of their members and we are no different. Oftentimes, we have flexibility when members have made a genuine effort to search for their answers first. But, blatant disregard of the search function is simply inconsiderate and discourteous to the folks who provide this forum to you FREE of charge.

This is how this place has always been run. This is how we are mandated to moderate by the owner. Sure, things might slip through the cracks every once in a while. But, we can't keep up with EVERY thread in history that's been duplicated. Posts get brought to our attention and we act. We just have to try to be vigilant when we see an opportunity to keep things running as efficiently as possible. I have no idea where you get the notion that you have been treated with arrogance.

Respectfully, I'll leave you the last word, but this thread is off-topic and will be closed afterwards.

[MrOffshore]

Well, this is definitely not an argument I am going to win as you simply aren't seeing my point. I looked over the first page of threads and saw the following:

"BMW has changed teens life" I've read at least 5 of these threads that have dealt with some young kid looking for approval from the forum members because their parents ponied up and bought them a BMW...why wouldn't you lock these senseless threads down or move them to the Psyche Ward section?

"335xi Lease - Good or Not Good (please help)" I've seen about 10 of these in my short tenure here...and don't you think you need a section for pricing and leasing...these are the absolute worst to see.

"E90 328xi leasing numbers" see above statement

"changing setting on alarm" Shouldn't this be listed in the electronics section? Furthermore I am fairly certain with some hardcore searching you might find a few threads on the alarm system.

335 radio reset" see above statement

Now that's just a few things that I see that stand out like a thumb that's been whacked with a sledgehammer...dig deeper and there are more. I read the post that describes what the moderators are supposed to be doing and the catagory violaions are high on the list.

Now, look past your own statements and those of Mryakan (whose opinion I respect, yours as well) and the few people bold enough to post agree with what I am saying here. Maybe your locked my thread down while I was having a bad day, or maybe I'm overreacting here, but I think the "owners" of this site would be a bit more upset if their members left because they felt as if communicating on the forum were a hassle...wouldn't you agree?

I'm not saying it's so bad that people are going to leave, but on this one we're going to have to agree to disagree...if a thread has some relevance and it hasn't been posted in close to two years, I certainly don't see the issue with bringing that subject up again...otherwise get ready to lock down or move about 35-50 of the threads on this forum...all you need to do is search deep enough and you will find where it's been discussed before in some form or another.

OK...I'm done venting and ready to move on....lock 'er down!

[mryakan]

Alright you made your point, we respect it, and let me point out we are not here to argue, so there are no winners or losers. For the posts you think are out of line, please use the "report post" feature (http://images.bimmerforums.com/vb3images/buttons/report.gif (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/report.php?p=12723566)), we depend on the community to help us keep things tidy and most times they are very good help.