View Full Version : Stretch Help!
Oscar33
04-08-2008, 03:11 PM
:help
Ok as i have my setup right now is a 235/35/19 on a 10"
Heres an old picture:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/Srt_Krazy/gasstation.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/Srt_Krazy/19-06-07_1659.jpg
My question is would i be able to run a 225/35/19, ive seen people run a 225/40 but in all my searching i cannot find a 225/35.
Can anyone help Pics Would be amazing!
Cheers Oscar33
Oscar33
04-08-2008, 04:48 PM
Bump anyone?
Why do people do this. Not trying to be a smart a--. GH
MSFIT
04-08-2008, 07:56 PM
well since rule of thumb is 205/40 on a 9" I think 225/35 would be fine on a 10"
Oscar33
04-08-2008, 10:14 PM
well since rule of thumb is 205/40 on a 9" I think 225/35 would be fine on a 10"
ya a 225 is spec'ed for 8.8 and a 205 is spec'ed for 8.07 and that's using the calculation of the tread size so say 205/25.4=8.07
So a 205 is 0.92 over spec for a 9 inch rim, but then you said you had a 40 series side wall, a 225 on a 10 is 1.14 over spec but then has a 35 series sidewall, but with that being said I know of a guy running 265/30 on 11.5's so he's 1.06 over spec but with a 30 series sidewall.
I just wanted to see if some of the bmw guys had run this size on that big of a rim.
and I called my tire guy and he said to come by and he's gonna try to fit them, ill snap some pics for ya guys
Cheers Oscar33
Oscar33
04-09-2008, 01:19 PM
bump
Oscar33
04-10-2008, 07:19 PM
bump
Bad Bimr
04-10-2008, 08:32 PM
Why do people do this. Not trying to be a smart a--. GH
+1
What is the reason of doing this?
BP
M3Alpine99
04-10-2008, 08:40 PM
+1
What is the reason of doing this?
BP
So you can make wheels that don't fit... "fit".
The wheels in the 1st pics still don't fit! Let's see- you cannot afford 7" wheels so you buy affordable 10" wheels- Your stuck with the 10"wheels you have and can't afford big tires- So you stretch your small tires to fit your big rims! I think it's a kid thing- like wearing pants down around your knees- Stretched says "I am stupid" (COOL)! I guess I'm old- Cool probably isn't a word anymore! GH
DTM Derek
04-10-2008, 09:33 PM
well it already doesn't fit worth a damn. you need some fender work homie. that sticking two inches out past your fenders is a little old school lowrider style...
wheels look nice but needs some fender flaring.
DTM Derek
04-10-2008, 09:41 PM
btw, i'm not trying to hate on it, but i think it could look great with the ride body work.
bmw325e30
04-10-2008, 10:09 PM
The wheels in the 1st pics still don't fit! Let's see- you cannot afford 7" wheels so you buy affordable 10" wheels- Your stuck with the 10"wheels you have and can't afford big tires- So you stretch your small tires to fit your big rims! I think it's a kid thing- like wearing pants down around your knees- Stretched says "I am stupid" (COOL)! I guess I'm old- Cool probably isn't a word anymore! GH
Hahahaha
If you're going to bash something, at least know a little bit about it.
ecrouse
04-10-2008, 11:14 PM
Hahahaha
If you're going to bash something, at least know a little bit about it.
If you're going to ridicule someone for "bashing it without knowing", explain it cause I don't get it either. Unless the tire is not wide enough for the rim, how/why does that happen?
It is obvious that the tire bead seals or there wouldn't be any air in the tire but with the tire streched in that way it seems it would be really unstable in corners. It seems sidewall flex would risk unseating the tire from the bead... Or I just don't understand it.
bmw325e30
04-11-2008, 02:20 AM
If you're going to ridicule someone for "bashing it without knowing", explain it cause I don't get it either. Unless the tire is not wide enough for the rim, how/why does that happen?
It is obvious that the tire bead seals or there wouldn't be any air in the tire but with the tire streched in that way it seems it would be really unstable in corners. It seems sidewall flex would risk unseating the tire from the bead... Or I just don't understand it.
No, you're completely right. But it seems like people have this misconception that stretching is done as a performance enhancement, which is totally the opposite. Like others have said before, stretching is simply a way to "fit" wheels that don't fit. The object of putting on wheels that "don't fit" is to achieve a certain look, which can be described as poke, flush fitment, whatever. It's purely for aesthetics. It is completely intentional; it's not a result of stupidity, as this guy put it:
The wheels in the 1st pics still don't fit! Let's see- you cannot afford 7" wheels so you buy affordable 10" wheels- Your stuck with the 10"wheels you have and can't afford big tires- So you stretch your small tires to fit your big rims! I think it's a kid thing- like wearing pants down around your knees- Stretched says "I am stupid" (COOL)! I guess I'm old- Cool probably isn't a word anymore! GH
I am no expert at this, but I at least strive to understand the ways some things work. You can dislike stretch all you want, but to come out saying things that aren't true is just ignorant.
Is it a sign of stupidity to create a dangerous condition? Yep, all day long! Call it what you want. It's stupid! GH
///M LIFEŠ
04-11-2008, 07:35 PM
I dont get why anyone would do that. I would put a 255 or something on that. I bet it would suck taking a tight corner with those little tires
Bad Bimr
04-11-2008, 07:59 PM
Dangerous? Back up your ridiculous claims with some facts before you go running your mouth.
Tires are specked for a certain rim width for a reason. A tire is designed to operate under these specs. When you "stretch" a tire you are exceeding the specs of the tire. The sidewalls, cords, the bead and everything else will put put under more stress. Most people that do this run very hign (over spec) tire pressures to help prevent the bead from unseating, not good. The tire will have a higher chance of failure. A tire manufacturer will not warranty a tire if used in this way should tell you something.
Can you show with facts that this does not make for a "dangerous condition"?
And I thought putting 275/30ZR19 on my 10.5" wide rims was stretching it.
BP
I was worrried about putting 225's on my 8 1/2 fronts. Is that stetched?? GH
bmw325e30
04-11-2008, 08:29 PM
Tires are specked for a certain rim width for a reason. A tire is designed to operate under these specs. When you "stretch" a tire you are exceeding the specs of the tire. The sidewalls, cords, the bead and everything else will put put under more stress. Most people that do this run very hign (over spec) tire pressures to help prevent the bead from unseating, not good. The tire will have a higher chance of failure. A tire manufacturer will not warranty a tire if used in this way should tell you something.
Can you show with facts that this does not make for a "dangerous condition"?
And I thought putting 275/30ZR19 on my 10.5" wide rims was stretching it.
BP
It's tough to show "facts" for something that is still very much a black art.
It may put more stress on a tire, but it's still well within what the tire is capable of. I don't think you give tires enough credit for their strength and what they go through. A manufacturer doesn't under spec tires mostly to cover their own ass after a certain point. You speak like the tire is just going to blow up for no reason. I have yet to hear about a case of this even after years of reading about tire stretch.
Bad Bimr
04-11-2008, 09:03 PM
It's tough to show "facts" for something that is still very much a black art.
It may put more stress on a tire, but it's still well within what the tire is capable of. I don't think you give tires enough credit for their strength and what they go through. A manufacturer doesn't under spec tires mostly to cover their own ass after a certain point. You speak like the tire is just going to blow up for no reason. I have yet to hear about a case of this even after years of reading about tire stretch.
Their are no "facts" because none exist. You said it correctly as "black art".
I assume you work for the tire companies and know that what a tire can and cannot take. The only thing between you and the road is the tire. It is the only component I would not compromise. Stretching compromises the integrity of the tire. Why would anyone want to do that? To each his own but the previous poster said it right the first time, this is stupid and un-safe for both the driver and the others on the road. I am against 99% of all traffic laws but their should be one to stop this type of stupidity on street registered vehicles.
BP
SpasticDwarf
04-11-2008, 09:17 PM
Their are no "facts" because none exist. You said it correctly as "black art".
I assume you work for the tire companies and know that what a tire can and cannot take. The only thing between you and the road is the tire. It is the only component I would not compromise. Stretching compromises the integrity of the tire. Why would anyone want to do that? To each his own but the previous poster said it right the first time, this is stupid and un-safe for both the driver and the others on the road. I am against 99% of all traffic laws but their should be one to stop this type of stupidity on street registered vehicles.
BP
There is NO proof of this compramising the tire. In all my tire stretching endeavors, I have seen ONE tire fail, and it was over the internet.
There is no evidence that it is any less safe.
Read up on the idea of stretched tires before you say it's stupid and puts others in danger, becuase it doesn't.
Bad Bimr
04-12-2008, 10:04 AM
I have 215/40-17 tires on a 17x8.5" rim. It's stretched.
Guess what?
That tire is APPROVED from the MANUFACTURER for up to an 8.5" rim. It is spec'd for rims from 17x7" to 17x8.5".
I guess I am endangering the public :shifty
The key word in your statement is "approved" thus it is within the manufacturers spec guidelines for that tire. It may look "stretched" (read my comment about my own 275's) but it was designed to work under those conditions, thus it is not "stretched". I am willing to bet that yours do not look anything like the one in the pictures by the OP. The OP is not asking about using tires "approved" for a particular rim size. The OP wants to put a 255/35R19 "approved" for up to a 9" wide rim on a 10" wide rim. That is "stretching". When you put your 215/40R17 tire on a 9.5" wide rim come back and make your statement again, maybe then it will have merit.
BP
Bad Bimr
04-12-2008, 10:19 AM
There is NO proof of this compramising the tire. In all my tire stretching endeavors, I have seen ONE tire fail, and it was over the internet.
There is no evidence that it is any less safe.
Read up on the idea of stretched tires before you say it's stupid and puts others in danger, becuase it doesn't.
You know this because?????
Common sense tells you it is unsafe. You should read up on a few.
Looking at this pics you can actually say this is safe?
SpasticDwarf
04-12-2008, 10:35 AM
You know this because?????
Common sense tells you it is unsafe. You should read up on a few.
Looking at this pics you can actually say this is safe?
Looking at these pics you can actually say this is unsafe?
Now you're diving into personal preferences and opinions.
There is NO evidence out there to support the idea that it is unsafe.
Just admit that YOU don't like the style, and leave it at that.
Also, look at these pics (my car..), the tires on there are spec'd for the wheel, and look how "stretched" they are. Stretching the tire another 10mm won't affect anything. Seriously.
http://72.232.109.106/pics/P%20is%20for%20pull/DSC_3351.jpg
///M LIFEŠ
04-12-2008, 10:38 AM
You know this because?????
Common sense tells you it is unsafe. You should read up on a few.
Looking at this pics you can actually say this is safe?
Those look so funny. Like you cant afford the right size tires :lol3
///M LIFEŠ
04-12-2008, 10:47 AM
I think it's a kid thing- like wearing pants down around your knees-
Yea ive seen a few around down, and the driver is typically an 18 year old kid. I dont see any older people with 'stretched" tires.
bmw325e30
04-12-2008, 11:33 AM
You know this because?????
Common sense tells you it is unsafe. You should read up on a few.
Looking at this pics you can actually say this is safe?
All I can say is that many professional drift cars run extremely stretched tires, and I have yet to see a tire failure on one of them. Think about it, they put the tire through more stress than any other kind of motorsport I can think of.
Can you honestly say it's unsafe, or are you just blinded by your dislike of stretch?
KarlSpackler
04-12-2008, 11:34 AM
Wow, a bunch of bullshit stretched tire haters in here who dont know ANYTHING about stretched tires.
Yet, they can run their mouth about the topic :rolleyes
BoltonM3
04-12-2008, 02:34 PM
Im not big on the wheel's sticking way out past the tires- it just seems fragile :dunno
One of recent responces is from a guy (?) with 3 pc BBS wheels. He changed the outer lips to wider so he could stretch his tires. It aint always about $$$ but it is always stupid. When ? he bragged that he had repaired dozens of multi piece wheels and he is an expert despite his age (23) !!!!! I did plenty of stupid tings when I was young. I doubt many here remember the Opel Rally. We couldn't aford a glasspac muffler so we poked holes in the muffler with a nail. We tinted the side and back windows with spray paint. We rigged a VW windshield washer tank (I realy doubt they know about the tank that was preasurized by the spare tire) to spray used motor oil on the righthand back tire so we could smoke the tire. It's a wonder we weren't killed! We were stupid. One day they will admit that stretching tires is STUPID!! GH
KarlSpackler
04-12-2008, 05:57 PM
One of recent responces is from a guy (?) with 3 pc BBS wheels. He changed the outer lips to wider so he could stretch his tires. It aint always about $$$ but it is always stupid. When ? he bragged that he had repaired dozens of multi piece wheels and he is an expert despite his age (23) !!!!! I did plenty of stupid tings when I was young. I doubt many here remember the Opel Rally. We couldn't aford a glasspac muffler so we poked holes in the muffler with a nail. We tinted the side and back windows with spray paint. We rigged a VW windshield washer tank (I realy doubt they know about the tank that was preasurized by the spare tire) to spray used motor oil on the righthand back tire so we could smoke the tire. It's a wonder we weren't killed! We were stupid. One day they will admit that stretching tires is STUPID!! GH
:rofl
You are a grumpy old stretched tires hater.
That 23 year old "expert" (you said it, not me.... ever) was me you argued with. I didnt make my wheel wider so I could run stretched tires, I made them wider for more look of the deep aftermarket lips.
If you can provide factual evidence as to why Stretched tires are dangerous and a time table showing when we who run stretched tires are all going to die because of it....... I think all of us in this thread will shut up.
Until then, we will continue to tell people like yourself to piss off as you dont know ANYTHING about the subject yet you seem to be an expert on running your mouth about it.
///M LIFEŠ
04-12-2008, 07:19 PM
I would hate to scrub a curb with skinny tires.
bmw325e30
04-12-2008, 07:42 PM
I would hate to scrub a curb with skinny tires.
Its no different than normal large aftermarket rims. I parallel park my car every day and I have moderately stretched tires. Just gotta be careful.
bmw325e30
04-12-2008, 07:44 PM
One of recent responces is from a guy (?) with 3 pc BBS wheels. He changed the outer lips to wider so he could stretch his tires. It aint always about $$$ but it is always stupid. When ? he bragged that he had repaired dozens of multi piece wheels and he is an expert despite his age (23) !!!!! I did plenty of stupid tings when I was young. I doubt many here remember the Opel Rally. We couldn't aford a glasspac muffler so we poked holes in the muffler with a nail. We tinted the side and back windows with spray paint. We rigged a VW windshield washer tank (I realy doubt they know about the tank that was preasurized by the spare tire) to spray used motor oil on the righthand back tire so we could smoke the tire. It's a wonder we weren't killed! We were stupid. One day they will admit that stretching tires is STUPID!! GH
None of those things are stretched tires. Like KarlSpackler said, it's to achieve a certain look. I will say it again, because you're obviously not listening:
Stretched tires are not the goal. Stretched tires are a means to an end (fitting "improper offset" wheels).
///M LIFEŠ
04-12-2008, 07:54 PM
I actually got tires that stick out a little of absorb curb rashes.
bmw325e30
04-12-2008, 07:56 PM
I actually got tires that stick out a little of absorb curb rashes.
Yeah most tires these days have a "rim protector" part of the sidewall that sticks out a little. Mine do, and even stretched they poke out past the rim.
SpasticDwarf
04-13-2008, 08:36 PM
LOL @ worrying about curbing your wheels. You have to drive like an idiot to do that.
And garret, while you're right that a lot of us stretch tires to fit wheels, some of us (me) stretch them becuase of the look as well. :)
///M LIFEŠ
04-13-2008, 11:41 PM
I guess none of you have lived in a city. Curbing your wheel has nothing do with driving like an idiot, parallel park your car every day and it will happen sooner or later, trust. And if you are referring to my sig pic, that is 3-4 years old and looks nothing like it now.
bmw325e30
04-13-2008, 11:53 PM
I guess none of you have lived in a city. Curbing your wheel has nothing do with driving like an idiot, parallel park your car every day and it will happen sooner or later, trust. And if you are referring to my sig pic, that is 3-4 years old and looks nothing like it now.
I live in the city and parallel park every day, not a scratched lip in the bunch. The real problem is bends in the lip from the shitty roads.
///M LIFEŠ
04-14-2008, 09:51 AM
Then post up some new pics of your car so I can see what God's gift to BMW tuning style drives.
no need. enjoy your tiny tires.
Don't worry much about what the kids call you. They probably think crack is safe too. GH
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/Holeshot250/IMG_0272.jpg
///M LIFEŠ
04-14-2008, 09:20 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/eurowner/stretchgonebad.jpg
I think I just heard a pin drop. GH
mryakan
04-15-2008, 04:48 PM
This is fun. Where is the comeback!
bmw325e30
04-15-2008, 04:53 PM
Again, who says thats a result of stretch? He could have driven on the tire when there was no air in it and cut the sidewall.
Guys, lets be honest. We're not going to convince you it's not stupid, and you won't convince us it is. You don't like it and you never will. We like it and will continue to do it. That's all.
I wonder what our sponsor would say if you ask them to mount a 205 on a 10" wheel?? GH
MParallel
04-15-2008, 07:50 PM
Without getting into this lovely flamewar which was a funny read, the "con" people here probably don't know that this German originated style has been used for many, many years.
No one has ever died driving on stretched tyres.
Tastefull
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/jeremenco/Allun%20bmw/AllunBMW14622.jpg strech
Dumb/stupid! http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/eurowner/245358kl.jpg
Sorry guys. I posted the last picture without reading. I have no desire to offend anyone. I just wanted to post the picture of what I think is a stupid/ dangerous stretched tire. GH
KarlSpackler
04-16-2008, 04:23 PM
Sorry guys. I posted the last picture without reading. I have no desire to offend anyone. I just wanted to post the picture of what I think is a stupid/ dangerous stretched tire. GH
That is good an all. You can have your opinions but they are blind as you dont know anything about stretched tires.
You arguing with us who know about them and use them daily is the same as if I were to go onto a gun forum and scream "KILLERS" to them all because guns are dangerous.
Personally, I dont know shit about guns but I can talk shit because I know they look dangerous.
I am glad you bring up guns but your comparison is lame. Take any dangerous looking gun you want and load it, cock it and put it in a safe place. I'll gurantee you it will never hurt anyone. Give it to an idiot and it is dangerous- just like your stretched tires. I'll also gurantee you that if you were involved in an accident where you lost control of the car any jury would find you negligent for mounting tires outside of the reccomended rim width. Show us an installer that would stretch tires and I'll show you an installer without a GL policy. You and some of your buddies need to realize that when you give advice to the other 20 year olds that you are liable. You are right- I am no expert. But I know that in a court of law the manufacturer's reccomendations will trump your immagination. Have at it! Back to guns, what you are doing is like playing with a loaded gun. Have fun. GH
bmw325e30
04-16-2008, 08:29 PM
Stretched tires killed my family and raped my sister.
:rolleyes
KarlSpackler
04-16-2008, 11:42 PM
I am glad you bring up guns but your comparison is lame. Take any dangerous looking gun you want and load it, cock it and put it in a safe place. I'll gurantee you it will never hurt anyone. Give it to an idiot and it is dangerous- just like your stretched tires. I'll also gurantee you that if you were involved in an accident where you lost control of the car any jury would find you negligent for mounting tires outside of the reccomended rim width. Show us an installer that would stretch tires and I'll show you an installer without a GL policy. You and some of your buddies need to realize that when you give advice to the other 20 year olds that you are liable. You are right- I am no expert. But I know that in a court of law the manufacturer's reccomendations will trump your immagination. Have at it! Back to guns, what you are doing is like playing with a loaded gun. Have fun. GH
Proof? ........... none....... OK.
Blind Opinions???? ......... I thought so. You dont know your ass from a hole in the ground on this bro.
Bad Bimr
04-17-2008, 07:45 AM
I am glad you bring up guns but your comparison is lame. Take any dangerous looking gun you want and load it, cock it and put it in a safe place. I'll gurantee you it will never hurt anyone. Give it to an idiot and it is dangerous- just like your stretched tires. I'll also gurantee you that if you were involved in an accident where you lost control of the car any jury would find you negligent for mounting tires outside of the reccomended rim width. Show us an installer that would stretch tires and I'll show you an installer without a GL policy. You and some of your buddies need to realize that when you give advice to the other 20 year olds that you are liable. You are right- I am no expert. But I know that in a court of law the manufacturer's reccomendations will trump your immagination. Have at it! Back to guns, what you are doing is like playing with a loaded gun. Have fun. GH
+1
If an accident involving a car with tires installed outside the manufacturer's parameters ("stretching") happens I can also see the insurance company not honoring the claim. I am certain in a court of law anyone doing this would be toast. What I don't understand is that it does not take a rocket scientist to see that this is stupid. Why won't someone say "Hey, I know it's stupid but I do it because blah blah blah..." We all have done/do stupid things.
BP
KarlSpackler
04-17-2008, 09:29 AM
+1
If an accident involving a car with tires installed outside the manufacturer's parameters ("stretching") happens I can also see the insurance company not honoring the claim. I am certain in a court of law anyone doing this would be toast. What I don't understand is that it does not take a rocket scientist to see that this is stupid. Why won't someone say "Hey, I know it's stupid but I do it because blah blah blah..." We all have done/do stupid things.
BP
Proof? ........... none....... OK.
Blind Opinions???? ......... I thought so. You dont know your ass from a hole in the ground on this bro.
Yup.. :rolleyes
Drone
04-17-2008, 10:18 AM
The stretched tire thing started long ago in belgium where local law required tire tread to be within the fender line. People streched tires so that the edge of the tread was within the fender, and they were still able to achive some "poke" outside of the fender..as well as some crazy dishes. It's been done with HUGE success for many many years using tires a LOT less advanced then what we're running today.
Streched tires are just another example of the true euro scene moving over to our shores...
As for people saying they're unsafe...in all my years in the vw and bimmer scenes, I've never heard of someone popping a bead or having any other issue due to streched tires, besides the increased risk of a pothole eating a rim. For those of you saying it looks like they can't afford the correct tires, the tires that work best for streching are all at the very top of the price bracket..for example: toyo t1's, falken fk451's, and a couple high priced dunlop's (i forget that model).
Out of all the cars I've seen on here..Karl's setup most accuratly represents the true feel/look of a euro strech. Stepped lips ftw
:edit:
For all you tire guys out there, I'm sure you will agree:
Blowing a bead off a lip is most often caused by sidewall flex, streching decreases sidewall flex, and a properly inflated streched tire..while riding like crap doesn't have much flex at all :shifty
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