Money Shifting, Im new here...

[Dkevelx]

Hey, I am new to this board. I own an Estoril Blue M3, 5 spd, and I was wondering what money shifting was, because it sounds nasty.

By the way, I am not that old, 18, so I figure im more prone to driver error then older drivers. My dad gave me the M3 when I turned 16.

But yeah, just curios about the money shifting thing.
Any helpful posts are appreciated.

[cliffhopper]

shifting 4-3 instead of 4-5 or 2-1 instead of 2-3 (more rare) and revving the engine past red line, which can cause the pistons to hit the valves.

take a look at these pictures

http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h66/mcdonaldta/MoneyShift/?start=0

Just be careful when you shift and don't let the clutch out too fast. I've put it into third a few times, but I don't let the clutch out fast enough for it to get higher than 4000rpm, so I haven't blown my engine

[MTrace]

Learn to backhand into 4th and 5th, makes it soo easy.

[cliffhopper]

I have, I know...backhanding just doesn't feel as natural

[MTrace]

It will after about two weeks of it, It did for me. I had a friend pull the money shift and I took it upon myself that it would never happen to me, he destroyed his motor.

[David Aye]

So a money shift is when you blow your motor up, by not shifting properly?

[Ianbiz]

That will leave a mark.

[sbblowz]

yes lets say your winding out third gear and go to shfit and put it into 2nd again. think wht happens when ur engine revs to 9k.

[pbonsalb]

Worn motor mounts, worn trans mounts, worn shift linkage, and possibly also worn bushings in the trans (when the shifter rests to one side instead of in the center when in neutral) are at least partially to blame, but poor or rushed shifting may be the primary culprit.

I would like to see some data for these cars when they were new or just a couple of years old -- were there money shifts then?

[united323is]

That photo album posted is the pis of my engine, money shifted this past weekend. right now my rebuild cost is about $3000. best thing to do is learn to backhand with out thinking about it, See here: http://www.shortshifter.com/techniques2.htm
Also just make sure you get the gear you want. also worn motor and transmission mounts don't help the situation, but aren't the only cause.



I would like to see some data for these cars when they were new or just a couple of years old -- were there money shifts then?
My coworker replaced an engine on a 1500 mile e36 m3 because of a money shift. of course the kid was 18, and racing a C4 corvette. he had to buy a new engine, his father took the car, removed the DME and made him look at what he lost out on until he graduated college. i wonder if he ever got the car back...

[timmytimm3]

Is your father adopting? Will-work-for-free-M3 :D

I've been backhanding 4th in my Jetta for months now and it's very natural once you're use to it. Definately check out the motor and tranny mounts, and either a short shift kit or new linkage bushings. Do a search on moneyshifting. There is a ton of info on it here.

[Tagz]

Maintain your car properly with transmission mounts, engine mounts, and shifter bushings, and don't power shift slamming between the gears when you aren't at a drag strip and you won't have a problem.

[99E36M]

Yeah, replace tranny mounts and get used to back handing it. I money shifted but was lucky as I caught it before it went too high. I was racing a Mustang GT which I was pulling away from until I went from 3rd to 2nd instead of 4th. It happens and it happens fast.

My personal opinion is that this is a mechanical design oversight. Others will say it is 100% driver's error but they are wrong. I'd say it is 50-50. I've been driving for 13 years and never had a car that needed this kind of attention while shifting. You just need to be aware of it. I'm completely comfortable with back handing now.

[kainam00]

My personal opinion is that this is a mechanical design oversight. Others will say it is 100% driver's error but they are wrong. I'd say it is 50-50. I've been driving for 13 years and never had a car that needed this kind of attention while shifting. You just need to be aware of it. I'm completely comfortable with back handing now.

+1. BMWs in general have pretty vague shifting feel. It gets worse as the various bushings age and get looser. Just be careful when you shift.

[Jahseso]

noob q. whats a DME

[genesismachine]

Don't backhand if it feels unnatural. Use your thumb and second finger to push right while your other three fingers pull down. Backhanding was always just very awkward for me.

[Jdizzle318]

yes lets say your winding out third gear and go to shfit and put it into 2nd again. think wht happens when ur engine revs to 9k.

vtec? :confused

haha just playing, moneyshifting must suck,

[TheM3nsah]

how about i just push to the right when i go to fifth, or maybe i backhand, never paid attention, driving comes naturally to me i guess. but im glad the OP recognizes his aptitude towards failure.

:handclap:

[MIMI1]

OP to experience this go 80 or so

drop from 5th to 2nd come back and post here what you learned

[Dkevelx]

Thanks for the info, ive been automatically backhanding for a while now, dont know why always seemed more comfortable.

But it doesnt matter, because I need a new radiator to drive the thing anyways...:(

Another question, is a stock radiator ok, or should I go with aftermarket. And is installing a radiator difficult, because I dont want to take it to a dealership, which is the nearest place to repair it, and I only have enough cash for a new radiator.

I figure since my dad gave me the car, I might as well pay for the radiator myself.

[Jahseso]

radiators you usually just take off th ehose, unscrew some shit, pull it out and put the new one back in.