just moneyshifted!

[swollix]

I was on the highway and I shifted into 2nd instead of 4th at 95 mph... RPMs jumped to 8300 or so and the car bucked, then all the lights came on on the dash and the car stalled. Smoke or steam was pouring out of the dipstick, oil cap, and air intake and the car will not restart. There was no oil leaking anywhere. What do you guys think my damage is and roughly how much to fix?

[BimmerLover84]

Possibly new pistons and probably a complete head rebuild. At a shop $4-5k minimum.

[TH3 Shifty]

probably bent all the valves.. and spun a bearing or 3 as well.

complete engine tear down is required.. have fun..

[patmcd]

Shops generally say ~4K. But it really depends on the extent of the damage in your individual case. I'd go with 4k+ since it sounds like you really money shifted.

[TH3 Shifty]

if its 4k... might as well buy a complete new engine.. there are guys on here selling engines with just over 60k for 3500-2500... there is one on ebay right now for 3000 with wiring harness..

you could probably rebuild it yourself for around 1400 total... but thats if you can rebuild an engine.

[ecko457]

I was on the highway and I shifted into 2nd instead of 4th at 95 mph... RPMs jumped to 8300 or so and the car bucked, then all the lights came on on the dash and the car stalled. Smoke or steam was pouring out of the dipstick, oil cap, and air intake and the car will not restart. There was no oil leaking anywhere. What do you guys think my damage is and roughly how much to fix?

What I did was pick up a new used engine, found a nice one for about 1k. It was so much fun putting that thing in from the bottom or I hear you can just take off the whole front clip... Enjoy!

[MTrace]

I'm going to have to watch my shifting, I don't want a thread like this lol. Good luck with everything

[Garrett M]

..ouch gl man

[BinhM3]

wow, I have never missed shifted from 3rd to 4th /knock on wood. I have problems going from 4th to 5th sometimes and I would miss shift into 3rd but never ran into that type of problem

[GreenBeem93]

How the hell were you in 3rd gear at 95? 2.93 diff?

[Nadroj]

How the hell were you in 3rd gear at 95? 2.93 diff?

he was trying to go from 5th to 4th and hit 2nd

[Ace M3]

^ ouch.

EVERYONE, GO BUY AN AUTOMATIC

[andylv]

I've had this happen to me too, it sucks. Not much in life feels worse maybe losing some one close to you.

Pull off the intake manifold and check out the valves. My old engine dropped the one of the intake valves and destroyed the piston rendering the engine useless.

I bought a used engine and installed it myself. If you are going to buy a used engine get the VIN number of the car it came out of and run a CARFAX report to get some history on the vehicle the engine came out of.

Read up on leak down tests and have a leak down test run on the engine before buying too.

Good luck

[xtremsiege2]

sorry to hear it man, but on the bright side and only bright side, you could learn alot reinstalling a lower mileage motor

[mitchelrl]

3.2 obd1 time brotha! Always backhand into 4th.

[Volf]

wow... sounds like you screwed the pooch on this one. Good luck man. Hopefully it isn't as bad as it sounds.

[MIMI1]

its for the better Euro Swap:devillook

[Jrdeamicis]

Replace the whole motor, then rebuild your current one and put it in an E30.

[95M3theo]

I agree, I kind of hope for a money shift or something like that so that I can swap in a Euro motor or a obd1 s52.

[///Montizzle]

Jesus christ how are all you ppl doing this latley:eyecrazy. Head sounds fubarred. So its time to look for a euro motor :evil2 Hopefully this wont be the summer of money shifting on here :(

[Jrdeamicis]

Jesus christ how are all you ppl doing this latley:eyecrazy. Head sounds fubarred. So its time to look for a euro motor :evil2 Hopefully this wont be the summer of money shifting on here :(

It may be more than just the head.

I would just do an OBD1 S52 C38 Stg 2 :)

[95M3theo]

http://www.shortshifter.com/techniques2.htm

[TH3 Shifty]

a little OT here:

what are the legalities of converting a current OBDII car to OBDI? I am going to assume here that your states dont have a problem with that? I would like to do it for the tuning aspect of it. but im not sure about UT law. Here.. for emissions testing.. its just a plug in test for the OBDII to check for all systems ready, and a visual. Any problems passing that if i convert to OBDI?

[///Montizzle]

It may be more than just the head.

I would just do an OBD1 S52 C38 Stg 2 :)

Good setup. But theres not as much bling factor as popping the hood and seeing the ITB's :drool:

[Ace M3]

Maybe every M3 owner will moneyshift, Ill be the last one standing, and Ill sell mine for millions of dollars.....

[M3Rob95]

Ouch you and Taylor both :rofl

I sent you a PM...

[Jrdeamicis]

Good setup. But theres not as much bling factor as popping the hood and seeing the ITB's :drool:

:drool::drool:

Or a turbo euro motor. :drool::drool:

[///Montizzle]

Maybe every M3 owner will moneyshift, Ill be the last one standing, and Ill sell mine for millions of dollars.....

:rofl you may be onto something here. But im going to outlast you :shifty

[TH3 Shifty]

i told my wife if i ever blow the engine in the car now, that im going with a euro engine... she's like "oh are they better? thats fine then"...:devillook

dont think she realizes the $$$ involved .... or the HP... :evil2 ignorance.. its bliss..


makes me want to join the money shifting crew right about now...:stickoutt

[hamlerda]

I was on the highway and I shifted into 2nd instead of 4th at 95 mph... RPMs jumped to 8300 or so and the car bucked, then all the lights came on on the dash and the car stalled. Smoke or steam was pouring out of the dipstick, oil cap, and air intake and the car will not restart. There was no oil leaking anywhere. What do you guys think my damage is and roughly how much to fix?

This is what I would do:

Buy all the special tools for the removal and installation of the head. ($125-$175 ebay)
Remove head and check for damage. All the valves may be bent but check the piston surfaces for cracks and the cylinder walls for damage.
Most times you can get away with buying a new bare head (with valves) and installing you M3 cams.($200-$500) This is the route I took when my secondary timing chain broke http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=943598

Have a machine shop clean, deck and check the head for leaks and also install new valve seals. ($275)
Or have the machine shop check your head and replace the valves but this may cost more than a used head (expensive valves and machine work)

Drain the oil and check for any metal bits and if some are found drop the oil pan to remove all debris.

Buy all new gaskets etc. and reinstall the head ($250)

I can't see why your car can't be repaired for less than $2000 if no bottom-end damage has occurred.

I was able to remove the head on my car in about 3.5 hours so this can be done in a weekend if you have all of the parts and tools.

[TH3 Shifty]

thats fine for the head... but spining past 8k.. when the bearing for the crank werent designed for that rpm.. i think you might have scored a few of them, if not spun at least one. you might just to all the work to the head... get everything back together.. then realize there is still an issue with oiling and a nice metalic sound.. with some shavings in the oil... time to tear it down again... might as well do everything once.. then have to do it twice.

[ScotcH]

man you guys suck.

[swollix]

I was shifting to 4th and ended up in 2nd. My 1st gear goes to 35, 2nd to 65, 3rd to 95, 4th to 135 and 5th should be good for 160. I have the stock 3.15 diff, but am chipped. The revlimiter goes to 7200.

[entropy]

euro motor..

abl original parts (http://abloriginalparts.com/index.html?0.5484019856032086)

[Bene36m3]

Wow, gl on whatever youre gonna do next. I would go euro swap, but its up to you.
Oh, and m3rob95 that is the nicest, if not, one of the nicest e36 m3s i have seen. (sig.) Its so clean and sharp, nice ride.

[99GREENM3]

Damm that sucks let us know what happened GL

[racer m]

sucks to hear another money shift. (i will never money shift thanks to my slushbox:rolleyes)

[artifact]

Damn dude, sorry to hear that.

If you want some extra cash for the rebuild, I'll buy your Rieger lip off you :)

[The-Great-328ic]

really sucks to see this, get an used engine IMO

[dephs]

Replace the whole motor, then rebuild your current one and put it in an E30.

+134234425

[united323is]

Hey there Swollix, You are my new GA money shift buddy! If you need help pulling the head, let me know, I just did mine last night. I am doing a full bottom and top end rebuild. I bent every exhaust valve and marked every piston.

see my photobucket for pictures.
http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h66/mcdonaldta/MoneyShift/

I think you did more damage, as mine still started, but didn't idle for shit. I had no compression on any cylinders, and trashed the pistons cause the valves hit so hard. time for a lightened/bored assembly for me. I'll be pulling my bottom end tomorrow night to check the rods and pistons from the other side. but it doesn't really matter at this point.


By the way, go aftermarket with pistons(OEM is $1200 my employee cost.) Chances are you scored your cylinder walls, time to bore it out!

[LeMansGTS]

i thought this was an april fools thing...gl

were you backhanding?

[qidm67]

http://www.shortshifter.com/techniques2.htm

Isn't there also a video of the guy in the E39 M5 demonstrating proper shift techniques? I need that video...

[98mpower]

Oh god I dont know why this seems to happen so much to e36 owners . Is there something other then driver error that contributes to this??? Like worn out motor mounts/tranny mounts . Maybe even worn sloppy shifters? My first car ever was a 1984 z28 with a carbed 355 swap with a t5 trany in it . I learned stick with it and money shifted it at 50mph . I totally destroyed that engine . The #3 rod came right through the block as it went boom LoL . Glad I learned stick on a 800$ car instead of my beloved M

[98mpower]

wow never mind I did a search in this forum about moneyshifting and holy crap , scary amount of people have done this . I guess this helps to avoid this from happening http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=842954&highlight=backhanding+4th Good thread

[timmytimm3]

Money shifting on April 1st? :shifty

If it isn't a joke, that sux man...

[M3forJTB]

2 ATL M3 moneyshifts in 2 days!?!? WTF!

Sorry to hear man, I'm sure it will come out stronger, both yours and Taylor's

[united323is]

2 ATL M3 moneyshifts in 2 days!?!? WTF!

Sorry to hear man, I'm sure it will come out stronger, both yours and Taylor's


damn skippy. just gotta figure out... high compression or low compression. boost or no boost in my future.

[95DinanM3]

Maybe every M3 owner will moneyshift, Ill be the last one standing, and Ill sell mine for millions of dollars.....

Oh man, you totally just jinxed yourself. :shifty

[Jrdeamicis]

+134234425

Thats a fun play toy.

[raoke]

Can anyone confirm that M3s hit 95mph in 3rd?
I dont remember...

What were you doing anyway?

Anyway, what is your budget? I think that is the most realistic approach before spilling out "euro, turbo, etc."

[EnderG60]

depends on the chip, mine revs to 7200 in first and second and 6500 in third + which is 85, if it would go to 7200 then it would do 95 in third

[roriii]

wow, I have never missed shifted from 3rd to 4th /knock on wood. I have problems going from 4th to 5th sometimes and I would miss shift into 3rd but never ran into that type of problem

+1, never actually money shifted though (knock on wood as well)

[colleran]

Anyone coming on here and laying all the blame on shifting technique is drinking the wrong kool aid.

Protect against moneyshifts...shift with a bias towards the gear you need to be in AND replace your tranny mounts every 100k. 2>1

[qidm67]

Can we also add a factor that this "moneyshift" usually happens when shifting near redline?

[SC David]

I can't even count the number of times I've heard this happening to E36 M3 owners. I also can't even count the number of times I've heard this happening to E34 owners. I guess we're all grandmas :shifty

[ZUUD BYE]

I was on the highway and I shifted into 2nd instead of 4th at 95 mph... RPMs jumped to 8300 or so and the car bucked, then all the lights came on on the dash and the car stalled. Smoke or steam was pouring out of the dipstick, oil cap, and air intake and the car will not restart. There was no oil leaking anywhere. What do you guys think my damage is and roughly how much to fix?


Hey there Swollix, You are my new GA money shift buddy! If you need help pulling the head, let me know, I just did mine last night. I am doing a full bottom and top end rebuild. I bent every exhaust valve and marked every piston.
I think you did more damage, as mine still started, but didn't idle. I had no compression on any cylinders, and trashed the pistons cause the valves hit so hard. time for a lightened/bored assembly for me. I'll be pulling my bottom end tomorrow night to check the rods and pistons from the other side. but it doesn't really matter at this point.

Question do both cars still have stock shifters in them?

The second thing changed in wifeys ///M was the shifter & tranny mounts (first thing being entire cooling system), they & it were HORRENDOUS. Stayed with oem components but used a '98 ///M Roadster shifter & ZHP knob. Knocking on wood as I type this----

[swollix]

I also have the Z3 short shifter and ZHP knob.

[Rowan611]

I also have the Z3 short shifter and ZHP knob.

Ditto, no problems. (knocks on wood)

[GUINNESS]

Sucks that you moneyshifted... but ummm... why were you shifting from 5th to 4th @ 95 on the highway anyway :shifty

[dsp420]

..... So its time to look for a euro motor :evil2 Hopefully this wont be the summer of money shifting on here :(

I've heard that in summer there is more of a chance of $hifting.

Is this true? and why?

Also, I live in AZ and it gets BAD in the summer. Besides proper shifting techniques, are there any other things I can do to help prevent this further?

thanks

[swollix]

Sucks that you moneyshifted... but ummm... why were you shifting from 5th to 4th @ 95 on the highway anyway :shifty

I was in 3rd at 95 shifting to 4th!!!! Not in 5th....

[colleran]

Besides proper shifting techniques, are there any other things I can do to help prevent this further?

thanks

Posts 54 and 55...UUC tranny mounts (black for street use and no addition to cabin vibration) along with the reinforcer cups have been well reviewed.

2>1

[GUINNESS]

I was in 3rd at 95 shifting to 4th!!!! Not in 5th....

Ahhh... either way, sucks man and hope everything works out for you. Like almost everyone has said, probably just better to replace the motor.

[MIMI1]

friend of mine just money shifted from 4th to 1st instead of 3rd at 80 or so :rofl

hes stuck in maryland in his E46

[DocPeters540]

Hence why I have my 540i now.

[DocPeters540]

Can we also add a factor that this "moneyshift" usually happens when shifting near redline?

You know, you are right. Shifts like this usually happen in a quick flurry of excitement while at redline. If I'm pushing the envelope of my ride, and have ANY doubt about the gear in which I shifted in to, I either shift right into 6th or I don't engage the clutch until I calm down.

[Works243t]

Just had a friend do the same thing...sorry man, rebuild, but better ;)

[united323is]

Question do both cars still have stock shifters in them?


ZHP knob, EVO3, DSSR. UUC reds with enforcers.

My motor mounts are shot now that I look at them. that and the shifter detent spring problem does exist in my transmission. but shifting technique probably was my downfall.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h66/mcdonaldta/MoneyShift/IMG_2100-1.jpg

[qidm67]

You know, you are right. Shifts like this usually happen in a quick flurry of excitement while at redline. If I'm pushing the envelope of my ride, and have ANY doubt about the gear in which I shifted in to, I either shift right into 6th or I don't engage the clutch until I calm down.

Well can we see this happening if you are shifting under 3000 RPMs? The reason why I ask because they are plenty of "older" guys out there with the same cars and they have been driving for several years without this problem...

I'm sure two factors play a role somewhere in this
-Short shifter kits
-Shifting technique

Yet there is another factor I heard from a very knowledgeble and smart person, that the synchronizers on the E36 are so smooth that the shifter goes in very smoothly and doesn't spit out if you are going in to the wrong gear. Why are they so smooth? Well BMW wanted "luxurious" shifting, without any roughness.

[JETninja]

I also have the Z3 short shifter and ZHP knob.

But did you replace all the other bits too, the bushings, cup, bitch clip?

Also Engine and Tranny Mounts can help big in preventing the Money shift...

[weneversleep]

95 on public roads? I don't care what gear you're in, that's dangerous.

How about slowing it down on public roads, or going to the track if you want to go that fast?

[swollix]

95 on public roads? I don't care what gear you're in, that's dangerous.

How about slowing it down on public roads, or going to the track if you want to go that fast?

This is the highway at 1 a.m, so no one around me. I have gone 155 in the same stretch before...

[328iJunkie]

Its all about How properly you shift. Ask my M52 how i know... I used to just grab the shifter on a 3rd to 4th shift like 1st to 2nd but now i use the backhand :P

But for real.

And swollix hate to tell you but your motor didnt look good.

[qidm67]

95 on public roads? I don't care what gear you're in, that's dangerous.

How about slowing it down on public roads, or going to the track if you want to go that fast?

Cut the guy a break, I think he learned his expensive lesson or probably already has. It happens alright, it's not rare. Do a search on "moneyshift" and you will be overwhelmed by the results. :)

[weneversleep]

Cut the guy a break, I think he learned his expensive lesson or probably already has. It happens alright, it's not rare. Do a search on "moneyshift" and you will be overwhelmed by the results. :)

Oh, I realize that moneyshifts happen. What I'm hoping is that he will learn a lesson other than the engine repair bill.

Going 95, or 155 as he says he's done (I call BS on that, but hey) on a public road is madness. No different, and possibly even worse than the M5 driving kid who killed himself and friends on the airstrip. You have absolutely no idea what external influences will come into play when you're going that fast on a public road, and if he hit and killed someone while going that speed, I'd say throw the book at him.

--michael

[qidm67]

Oh, I realize that moneyshifts happen. What I'm hoping is that he will learn a lesson other than the engine repair bill.

Going 95, or 155 as he says he's done (I call BS on that, but hey) on a public road is madness. No different, and possibly even worse than the M5 driving kid who killed himself and friends on the airstrip. You have absolutely no idea what external influences will come into play when you're going that fast on a public road, and if he hit and killed someone while going that speed, I'd say throw the book at him.

--michael

You are absolutely correct and really can't disagree with you. He is a young man, such as myself. Young people just do young stupid things. You live and learn. I'm sure you in your youth must be have done at least something stupid. No?

Then again there "grown ups" that have pushed the envelope far more dangerously than the OP has. They are on this forum, ;).

Have you [weneversleep] ever gone past 80MPH on a public road?

[PointMEby]

Enough with this life lesson nonsence. Swollix hows the re-build going man? I moneyshifted on the track a long time ago in my 95 M3 with bad gear bushings and the whole 9. Unfortunatly nobody taught me the most efficient way to shift until after I blew it up. I will make sure to teach you proper speed shifting techniques for whatever kind of high speed, track or street that you are doing. I guarentee you if you didn't just do it by some odd fluke your "over shifting it" as they just need a flip of a finger to get through the gear properly and as fast as possible..good or bad bushings. I made it through a 2 hour session at R.A with a broken shift lever and still ran sub 1:48.. I gaurentee once you learn this basic shift technique you'll never worry about a mis-shift again. Let me know when you are up and running as this lesson was taught to me (when I was only 16) and is still the best speed secret i've learned to date.

[united323is]

Enough with this life lesson nonsence. Swollix hows the re-build going man? I moneyshifted on the track a long time ago in my 95 M3 with bad gear bushings and the whole 9. Unfortunatly nobody taught me the most efficient way to shift until after I blew it up. I will make sure to teach you proper speed shifting techniques for whatever kind of high speed, track or street that you are doing. I guarentee you if you didn't just do it by some odd fluke your "over shifting it" as they just need a flip of a finger to get through the gear properly and as fast as possible..good or bad bushings. I made it through a 2 hour session at R.A with a broken shift lever and still ran sub 1:48.. I gaurentee once you learn this basic shift technique you'll never worry about a mis-shift again. Let me know when you are up and running as this lesson was taught to me (when I was only 16) and is still the best speed secret i've learned to date.

I would also be interested in learning this when my engine is finished...

[qidm67]

Enough with this life lesson nonsence. Swollix hows the re-build going man? I moneyshifted on the track a long time ago in my 95 M3 with bad gear bushings and the whole 9. Unfortunatly nobody taught me the most efficient way to shift until after I blew it up. I will make sure to teach you proper speed shifting techniques for whatever kind of high speed, track or street that you are doing. I guarentee you if you didn't just do it by some odd fluke your "over shifting it" as they just need a flip of a finger to get through the gear properly and as fast as possible..good or bad bushings. I made it through a 2 hour session at R.A with a broken shift lever and still ran sub 1:48.. I gaurentee once you learn this basic shift technique you'll never worry about a mis-shift again. Let me know when you are up and running as this lesson was taught to me (when I was only 16) and is still the best speed secret i've learned to date.

I'm going to need you to that for me, Ian, :),:stickoutt, because look at my "cars" by my name on my avatar, ;).

[PointMEby]

I'm going to need you to that for me, Ian, :),:stickoutt, because look at my "cars" by my name on my avatar, ;).

Oh holy crap. Nice man. We'll have to meet up sometime for some grub so I can check it out.


I would also be interested in learning this when my engine is finished...

Dang another one! Will do. Its very simple. The kid that took me autocrossing for the first time when I was 15 taught me when I was 16 when my car was down. It took him 20 seconds and it was the best driving technique I ever learned and I worked at a driving school for two years shortly after this, then Richard Petty following that and I still think it was my most valuble lesson. I also think it plays a huge roll in my 13.7@100.3 in a exhaust/flywheel only 100k M3 in 90 degree heat. Before this you could say I dragged her more like a Camara. A once paranoid moneyshifter never has to think twice in his helmet surrounded by 3 other cars at 100+ upshifting around a track. Let the syncro's (sp?) do the shifting, your job is to just let it guide into the proper place. I'll show you how to execute when she's up and running

[llegos]

how do u screw up the 3-4 shift?

[PointMEby]

^^^. Some people teach themselves right from the start. However accidental occurances induce bad habits which result in money shifting. Also when your on a track your attention may be drawn on the car 4 inches from your door and 8 inches from your rear bumper..combine that with bad gear bushings, old shift linkage and a crappy shift knob and KABOOM!.
However moneyshifting dosn't make you anything but more experienced. After all, i'd put my money down that the majority of professional race car drivers have mis-shifted a nice car and thrown more than a rod. Personally, I.M.O the most experienced BMW C.C.A instructor I know (Jeff Minor, instructed Seth Thomas and other successful race car drivers)..who has been doing this since he was 15 (he is now in his 40's) even took the liberty of blowing up his Dads authentic 2002 Turbo on turn9 at Road A when he was a kid. Go ask around some veterans at a large club race or D.E and I think you may be suprised the number who have done it. Instinct is a key in being a good driver, and learning how to shift without error ALL the time isn't instinct for some. However it can be taught and made instinct like many other factors in driving.

[qidm67]

Oh holy crap. Nice man. We'll have to meet up sometime for some grub so I can check it out.



Dang another one! Will do. Its very simple. The kid that took me autocrossing for the first time when I was 15 taught me when I was 16 when my car was down. It took him 20 seconds and it was the best driving technique I ever learned and I worked at a driving school for two years shortly after this, then Richard Petty following that and I still think it was my most valuble lesson. I also think it plays a huge roll in my 13.7@100.3 in a exhaust/flywheel only 100k M3 in 90 degree heat. Before this you could say I dragged her more like a Camara. A once paranoid moneyshifter never has to think twice in his helmet surrounded by 3 other cars at 100+ upshifting around a track. Let the syncro's (sp?) do the shifting, your job is to just let it guide into the proper place. I'll show you how to execute when she's up and running
For sure man...but it will have to be sometime next month. I'm dying here in schoolwork. :mad:(:mad:(:shifty

[KnudsonsM3]

http://www.shortshifter.com/techniques2.htm


happy reading

[swollix]

Well it turns out my motor is not rebuildable. I need a totally new motor, and I may have forced induction on my list as well...

[sirius600]

^ ouch.

EVERYONE, GO BUY AN AUTOMATIC

QFT


Well it turns out my motor is not rebuildable. I need a totally new motor, and I may have forced induction on my list as well...

Any pics of the damage?

[ZUUD BYE]

^^^.

Excellent name and sig- bravo!

Did you work it into you license plate as well?

[ATLE36M3]

Well it turns out my motor is not rebuildable. I need a totally new motor, and I may have forced induction on my list as well...

Damn that sucks!


I would also be interested in learning this when my engine is finished...

Damn taylor those pics are nasty.

I think we should get a group shifting lesson!

I hit second once instead of 4th on 400 but i wasnt at WOT so the rpms only went to like 6k. My friend with a 2006 z4 coupe did the same the other day.

[328iJunkie]

Yeah i coulda told you that but didnt want to be the one to brake the news to you. #1 cyl is completely Fed. It ate a valve entirely. Like the hole thing. in addition to alot of the others breaking completely.

[David Aye]

Well it turns out my motor is not rebuildable. I need a totally new motor, and I may have forced induction on my list as well...


That sucks man......sorry to hear that.

[qidm67]

Oh Swollix, I wanted to ask you something that I asked guys at the shop (TRM). Were you backhanding when the "moneyshift" happened?

What about you "united323is?"

[swollix]

Oh Swollix, I wanted to ask you something that I asked guys at the shop (TRM). Were you backhanding when the "moneyshift" happened?

What about you "united323is?"

Nope... I had never had a misshift problem prior to this one,so I never bother learning. Obviously it is important that I learn now....

[qidm67]

Nope... I had never had a misshift problem prior to this one,so I never bother learning. Obviously it is important that I learn now....

It's not that hard to backhand, you just flip your hand when going into 3, 4, 5 gear.