New E30 toy

[Oleg Coupe]

E30 Coupe:

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/E30_318.jpg

plus all new OEM M3 E30 body parts...then plus built M50 with GT4094R...plus Strange Rear End...plus COAN "EXTREME PERFORMANCE" TH400 W/TRANS BRAKE...will see how it plays :)


http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/PIC-0068.jpg


http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/PIC-0078.jpg



http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/COAN_TH400.jpg

[multiplex]

holy crap. it just kept getting better, every time i scrolled down to a new pic

[5mall5nail5]

Looks awesome - what size wheels and offset and backspace you running?

[multiplex]

dude it don't matter when you got a rear like that

[5mall5nail5]

Haha I totally forgot! I am here looking at this stuff and I am like oh snap, E30 M3 w/ drag wheels... doh!

[FastrTHNu]

Nice

[tsweers89]

looks great. cant wait for more

[StreuB1]

:buttrock

[got psi]

I'd hate to see the shipping bill on the rearend and trans.:eek: cool stuff Maybe we can trade some stuff LOL I need EURO engine parts and you need chassis parts LOL good luck on your build ///J.T.///

[kendogg]

Sweet!!

Hope you plan on using something a bit more sturdy than wood for the adapter plate though. If you've figured out how to make wood work - :buttrock.

[5mall5nail5]

Are you kidding me? Thats particle board... toooootally stronger than normal wood in the side bearing lateral but concentric radial shearing axis perpendicular to the surface tension tetrahedral cross section of the major diameter of the shaft.

Its way better than wood.

[Maguiver]

Are you kidding me? Thats particle board... toooootally stronger than normal wood in the side bearing lateral but concentric radial shearing axis perpendicular to the surface tension tetrahedral cross section of the major diameter of the shaft.

Its way better than wood.

I'm not sure you even know what you just said.

[FastrTHNu]

Are you kidding me? Thats particle board... toooootally stronger than normal wood in the side bearing lateral but concentric radial shearing axis perpendicular to the surface tension tetrahedral cross section of the major diameter of the shaft.

Its way better than wood.

Chill out Techno.:stickoutt

[5mall5nail5]

I'm not sure you even know what you just said.

I sell feed hahaha


Chill out Techno.:stickoutt

hahaha

[StreuB1]

The particle board is how they ship it in the box :rolleyes:

We have the same trans for the supergas car.

[kendogg]

The particle board is how they ship it in the box :rolleyes:

We have the same trans for the supergas car.


Oh, come on StreuB1, it was a joke ;)

BTW - I'll be in Chicago for a wedding middle of June, I need to meet some of y'all. I know JT (well, have met him before at a EuroTek meet). Not sure if I'm welcome to those anymore, since I got banzored for talking mad ish to Jesel and all......

[got psi]

Oh, come on StreuB1, it was a joke ;)

BTW - I'll be in Chicago for a wedding middle of June, I need to meet some of y'all. I know JT (well, have met him before at a EuroTek meet). Not sure if I'm welcome to those anymore, since I got banzored for talking mad ish to Jesel and all...... I'm sure it is just water under the bridge. ///J.T.///

[Oleg Coupe]

Wood for adapter plate...:D:D:D:D:D I'll think about it!!!

One more pic, please note front wheels is not in correct position yet :)

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/SP_A0010.jpg

[milKt]

Something about the shadows or dust
is making the quarter panel look camoflauge.
:buttrock

[multiplex]

makes me think i need to stop messing around, and build a real car.

[Nj85'325]

Shiz is crazy! cant wait to see what it runs!

[japspecvr6]

Craaazzzyy

[!RocknE30!]

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/PIC-0068.jpg




Hole-Lee-Shit.

[jszy25]

Ukraine is strong!! :buttrock:buttrock

[rbav13]

any reason why you are running the ford 9 " rear axle instead of the irs? is it strictly drag setup?

[MrBlonde]

It's a back half drag car. See the unibody floorpan cut away in line with the rear bolt of the driver's seat?

[Oleg Coupe]

GT4202R on the place.

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/phorum/file.php?3,file=11

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/phorum/file.php?3,file=12

[jfdmas]

ughh, baller. Do you have anymore pics of the whole car? when you think it will be done and ready to go?

[5mall5nail5]

Don't post pics of your roll cage though! :)

Looks hot!

[Concentric190]

That looks sweet, build is looking great, can't wait to see it running!

[Oleg Coupe]

More pics in a week, we are on the final stage (I hope :D ) of this project.
Body is done, some separated parts are painted, whole body goes to painting in 3-4 days.
Intake mani is done and on the painting to black.
Exhaust mani done except Tial 60mm WG pipe/flange.

Engine and TH400 fixed together and to the body with conversion plate, still have to connect crankshaft to converter and starter.

Engine waits for head with solid lifters. Block with pyramid rings is ready.

If everything goes right and TH400 will works fine I hope to run it in 2 weeks. It's the best case scenario. Will see how it really goes.

[multiplex]

i love this build.. can't wait for more pics and results!

[DADx2]

All I can say is OMG!!!! Looks soooo awesome. Ready in 2 weeks??? I hope you are on schedule.... I can hardly wait for an update.

[mazur]

Wait...how do you plan to fit a downpipe with the turbo so far back?

[SiGmA]

I look forward to more pics and slips!!! Good work!
Wait...how do you plan to fit a downpipe with the turbo so far back?I'd assume through the firewall? Seems as that would be the only option really. No worries, as its not really a street car from the looks of things.

[MrBlonde]

Wait...how do you plan to fit a downpipe with the turbo so far back?
Note OEM firewall is gone. I'd say the dump pipe is going right out the front guard.

[Oleg Coupe]

I'll show everything in few days! :) Intake manifold is painted and on the place...looks awesome :)

[HiEnd]

sickkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!1111111111

fap*

[japspecvr6]

Wow......pls post.

[Oleg Coupe]

Intake mani ready:

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/phorum/file.php?3,file=13

[Oleg Coupe]

Intercooler & radiator combo. And this is the last phone-made-picture :) All next will be much better.

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/phorum/file.php?3,file=14

[n24tg]

Intake mani ready:

[...]



Are you going to wrap the exhaust headers? Looks like the intake pipe might get a little hot down there.

[Oleg Coupe]

For sure it will be wrapped. Probably even twice.

[Oleg Coupe]

Get ready for painting :)

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030358.JPG

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030359.JPG

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030360.JPG

[got psi]

Looking at the pics I would change the battery mount so the battery is sideways in the car. With it lengthwise on acceleration the plates inside can and will stack on eachother and short out causing a momentairy shutoff problems. And the battery will suffer a shrt life. because of torque most drag cars put the batt on the passenger side. Otherwise go for it and keep the faith. ///J.T.///

[Oleg Coupe]

...With it lengthwise on acceleration the plates inside can and will stack on eachother and short out causing a momentairy shutoff problems.

Wow, thank you very much for this info! It's absolutely new info to me, probably it's not too late to change batt orientation.


...because of torque most drag cars put the batt on the passenger side.

On passanger side we have all fuel system with pumps,filters, hoses e.t.c plus big methanol tank and methanol pump...all that weights almost the same to the batt.

[Oleg Coupe]

Painted. On the way to final assembling. I pray we will not stack on any stupid problem and will run the car in a week.

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/SP_A0041.jpg

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/SP_A0042.jpg

[good & tight]

Lookin good.:devillook

[rundatrack]

matte black....or ya just didnt shoot clear on it yet?

[Oleg Coupe]

Matte :)

[rundatrack]

Matte :)



Eff yeah baby


makes me happy............like this

























http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/rundatrack/justfunny.gif

[highboostingm3]

It looks like you forgot the other turbo. :shifty




























:rofl Thank you so much for the pics and information. OMG! :drool:

[multiplex]

amazing. this is one of my favorite builds at the moment - thanks for shairing

[rpm620]

Looking at the pics I would change the battery mount so the battery is sideways in the car. With it lengthwise on acceleration the plates inside can and will stack on eachother and short out causing a momentairy shutoff problems.

can this happen with Optima batterys also? Build looks sick btw

[jfdmas]

can this happen with Optima batterys also? Build looks sick btw
if its gel cell then no. you should be able to mount it however you please.

oleg, that e30 looks absolutely sinister. I loveeee it. Looks like somthing the punisher would drive around in.:D

[Oleg Coupe]

Engine with manifolds&turbo:

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030372.JPG

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030376.JPG

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030377.JPG

Manifold builder :)

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030367.JPG

[trthrrt489]

I love seeing the Summit sticker on a garage in Ukraine!!!

Looking good, I can't wait to see this run.

[StreuB1]

Wikked!!

[highboostingm3]

OMFINGGOD! :eek2 :wow

[bmw buddy]

Manifold bulder :)

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030367.JPG

the tubes probably bent and self welded themselves after looking into those blue puppy eyes.

[StreuB1]

one of the gayest comments ive ever read......but cant say it isnt true. lol :D

[trthrrt489]

one of the gayest comments ive ever read......but cant say it isnt true. lol :D

:lol

This is a sausage fest and Geno is bringing the buns.

[Oleg Coupe]

Engine in and running. Next is exterior/interior and TH400 testing.

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030396.JPG

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030394.JPG

[a32guy]

LOVE it!

[jfdmas]

omg, vids ASAP.:D wheels up.

[MrBlonde]

Looks good Oleg, keep posting updates!

[highboostingm3]

HOLY CRAP I CAN'T TAKE IT! :eyecrazy :eek2

[5mall5nail5]

Looks good

[Oleg Coupe]

One more interesting pic - M50/TH400 conversion plate:

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/conversionplate.jpg

[timmytimm3]

So bad ass :buttrock

Subscribed for launching vids!

[5mall5nail5]

Oleg check your PMs - so I am guessing you're doing a mid plate :) Thats bad ass.

[jone30]

Great googley moogley. Bad....ass....

[PEI330Ci]

Engine in and running. Next is exterior/interior and TH400 testing.

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030396.JPG

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030394.JPG

Hardware looks great!

Do you foresee any problems with running the injector and ignition wiring together in the same harness?

[highboostingm3]

I want to know about that throttle body. Interesting stuff. The fuel rail is very far from the intake runner flange. Very cool angle. Wow there is so much cool stuff to analyze here. I love it. :devillook

[Oleg Coupe]

TB is BMW OEM for 4.4 V8. We just shave some external material that we don't need. Correct, injectors moved upstream for better atomization on hi speeds. :)

[got psi]

One more interesting pic - M50/TH400 conversion plate:

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/conversionplate.jpgHMMMMM!!!!! looking at the motor mid plate. Very nice and exactly the way I did mine. One question tho the engine angle seems to be less than 33deg which is about what is normal. Was this done for more turbo mani clearance? I like your build thanks for sharing. ///J.T.///

[highboostingm3]

TB is BMW OEM for 4.4 V8. We just shave some external material that we don't need. Correct, injectors moved upstream for better atomization on hi speeds. :)
Very nice. Thanks!
HMMMMM!!!!! looking at the motor mid plate. Very nice and exactly the way I did mine. One question tho the engine angle seems to be less than 33deg which is about what is normal. Was this done for more turbo mani clearance? I like your build thanks for sharing. ///J.T.///
Looking at the way the engine sits, I was wondering if he tilted a little more vertical myself. :devillook

[Oleg Coupe]

Yes, we have almost none of free space for turbo. We even had to shave valve cover to fit compressor housing. Angle is about 1/3 of stock, but not close to vertical. We use 45deg bends for intake manifold runners to get intake plenum horizontal.


I like your build thanks for sharing. ///J.T.///

I have to thank you for your help and your posts! It really helps us a lot. Hope pics&info I post will help someone too.

[el bob]

Wow! Looks really good Oleg! That trans adapter plate looks like a work of art! Are those rubber bushings inside the welded circles? Will they be replaceable? I guess it is probably unlikely that they will wear for many, many years.

[good & tight]

Great build, I like the all black theme inside and out.

[Oleg Coupe]

On the road!

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030407.JPG

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030412.JPG

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030408.JPG

[highboostingm3]

1st!

Holy crap! Holy crap! Holy crap! Holy crap! Holy crap! Holy crap! Holy crap! Holy crap! Holy crap! Holy crap! Holy crap!
:eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2 :eek2

[Oleg Coupe]

Today, 10:11 PM
Oleg Coupe




Today, 10:11 PM
highboostingm3


THAT WAS FAST! Cam, are you living here? :):):)

Thank you! :)

[highboostingm3]

THAT WAS FAST! Cam, are you living here? :):):)

Thank you! :)
When I have to rock my baby girl to sleep or give her a bottle, I am living on BFCI yes. :D

I love it! OMG! So sick! How did you do the trunk lid? The e30 to m3 conversions I have seen never have the M3 trunk lid. Looks geniune. SICKNESS! :worship:

Kinda looks cool without rear bumper and side skirts. :drool:

Flat black FTMFW! :buttrock

[jfdmas]

wow, vids are needed asap. wheels up.:D

[MrBlonde]

I love the matt black Oleg .. good to see.

[Oleg Coupe]

We need some works to do before WOT runs can be made.

And there is few things we know now for sure:
- turbo goes full boost below 5K, something about 4700-4800 and this is good news!
- we absolutely need some nitrous. With trans brake we can revup only for 2700 and get +0.25bar of boost. It's nothing close that we need. So we will try +50hp single system first and if not helps - six point. Will check this soon! :)

[bubela]

sweetness.
popcorn.

[highboostingm3]

And there is few things we know now for sure:
- turbo goes full boost below 5K, something about 4700-4800 and this is good news!
This is bad news for the long runner manifold haters. I need me twin scroll. :)

[Oleg Coupe]

Did first low 12-14psi boost tests this weekend to check how rear end works.

The lounch is very poor. Surely we need 4-link tuning.

Test 1: nitrous ON, 3600rpm 0,6 bar boost - release TBrake, spins and need to shortly close throttle, so lost all boost and then go again...crap run 11.6 IIRC:

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/video/Drag4/coupe_try2.avi

Test 2: nitrous OFF, 2600rpm 0.2 bar boost - release TBrake, slowly move for two seconds then go on boost. This was best run with 11,2 ET.

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/video/Drag4/SOARA_COUPE.avi

Will not go full boost until we do something for real lounch.

TH400 shifts perfectly, we can use even bigger turbo and stay on boost with this transmission/converter combo.

This turbo WANTS big boost. Make little power in 10-15psi range. From 18-20 psi and higher it starts to push REALLY hard. :)

[got psi]

First of all the traction isn't the greatest, looks like you are stuck with that. Looks like the tire pressure may be a high. how do you activate the nitrous. Use a relay hooked to the trans brake so the nos will NOT come on when you are on the t brake. Chassis wise I don't remember is it a 4 link or a ladder bar? what are your spring weights and how long are the shocks (travel). Car looks stiff ,no weight transfer. Shifts sound really good. What stall converter do you have that sounds a little loose (maybe because of the nos). All in all these are all unknowns that need to be worked with. Unlike a small block chevy where you call and get the proven parts right away. We are breaking new ground with turbo BMW with an automatic and HIGH stall. I will pm you with more questions and try to help in any way I can. I am very proud to see you accomplish this task in such a short time. ///J.T.///

[Oleg Coupe]

First run nitrous goes ON on (WOT)&(RPM>2500). I WOT 4 sec before lounch, 2 sec to get to 2600 rpm and then another 2sec to get 3600 with nitrous...then release TB. We use 35hp nitrous nozzle. Also nitrous goes OFF just after 0.8 bar of boost, so it used only for few seconds.

Second run nitrous goes ON the same way, but I open throttle 90% before lounch and stay on 2600..then release TB and WOT on start. So nitrous comes just with TB release.

We use hardest shocks settings on these runs. The first thing we going to test is softest shock settings.

Tire pressure was 1.3 bar, little high but don't think it can be the only problem. On my E36 going from 1.3 to 0.9 makes small changes in 60ft time.

Stall convertor from COAN ordered as 4600 stall speed. Feels like hookup on 4100-4200. I've test it on TB with different nitrous nozzles, changing them we can get any rpm/boost in ranges 2600-4000rpm/0.2-0.8bar with TB ON.

And yes, it's 4-link, I'll make pics of rear suspension and post them. Don't have it on hands now.

And thank you very much for your help! We have never seen 4-link setup before, here in Ukraine it's a REAL exotic :) So we starts with zero experience on this. Please pm me if you need any other pics or info and I'll do my best to give you any info required.

[5mall5nail5]

Oleg if you'd like I can link you to a forum that will greatly help your 4 link tuning

[Oleg Coupe]

I'll appreciate ANY info on this!

May be we can test it with 28x14.5 slicks soon. May be it can helps too. I don't think I have to lounch with 2600/0.2 bar on start. I'll better put 600lb ballast on the rear and lounch with high rpm/boost. But really like to make all possible 4-link tuning before go BIG slicks/ballast way.

BTW on E36 I cut 0.6-0.7sec putting 250lb in the trunk and lounching harder.

[highboostingm3]

Oleg:

Car is the sickness! You got it built and on the track soooooo quickly! :eek2
You are using very low psi and you need that stall converter. I can't wait for you to get the SC and boost 30-35psi! :redspot

Thanks for posting vids! You da man! :buttrock

[MrBlonde]

Now the suspension tuning starts!

[MrBlonde]

This is bad news for the long runner manifold haters. I need me twin scroll. :)

Full boost around 5000 RPM and stating you NEED nitrous for the hit? I'd say that's a validation of the hater's comments.

[Oleg Coupe]

I'd say you have problem with manifold/turbo combo if you get out of boost on shifting or you can't get enough boost on the place with ALS on manual or with TB on auto.

If you can get any boost you need on the place and you can keep turbo on full bost on shifting, then I'd say you have perfect manifold/turbo combo. I can get and I can keep.

[highboostingm3]

Full boost around 5000 RPM and stating you NEED nitrous for the hit? I'd say that's a validation of the hater's comments.
Without the stall converter or antilag/2-step people use nitrous to launch if they want boost off the line. Can't get boost off the line without any of that no matter how small your turbo is. :dunno He was saying just driving WOT it spools full without nitrous below 5000 please don't round it up to 5000.

...- turbo goes full boost below 5K, something about 4700-4800 and this is good news!...
For the power capability of that turbo, that looks good to me.

:eatpop:

[5mall5nail5]

Cameron fwiw I have a slightly bigger turbo than that and was hitting 29 psi at like 4600-4800 rpm. I think he said hes only running 15 psi?

[MrBlonde]

Without the stall converter or antilag/2-step people use nitrous to launch if they want boost off the line. Can't get boost off the line without any of that no matter how small your turbo is. :dunno He was saying just driving WOT it spools full without nitrous below 5000 please don't round it up to 5000.

For the power capability of that turbo, that looks good to me.

Hang on a minute, there are two topics going at once here. The "haters" of long runner length referred to are not for purpose built race cars, but for street cars.

Oleg seems like he is on the path to working out his engineering with stall convertor and a nitrous shot, good for him.

That doesn't change the engineering for a street car where a redline of 7000 RPM and full boost at ~ 5000 RPM doesn't leave much of a window.

Spooling at 4700 or 5000 RPM using a transbrake, stall convertor and nitrous makes no difference. It doesn't bear much in common with a manual tranny street car. What it means to me is that long runner length, large turbo, manual tranny on a street car with no nitrous means you're going to reach full boost later than 4800 RPM. To me that means it's not going to be much fun to drive around.

[highboostingm3]

Hang on a minute, there are two topics going at once here. The "haters" of long runner length referred to are not for purpose built race cars, but for street cars.

Oleg seems like he is on the path to working out his engineering with stall convertor and a nitrous shot, good for him.

That doesn't change the engineering for a street car where a redline of 7000 RPM and full boost at ~ 5000 RPM doesn't leave much of a window.

Spooling at 4700 or 5000 RPM using a transbrake, stall convertor and nitrous makes no difference. It doesn't bear much in common with a manual tranny street car. What it means to me is that long runner length, large turbo, manual tranny on a street car with no nitrous means you're going to reach full boost later than 4800 RPM. To me that means it's not going to be much fun to drive around.
For a street car...long runners suck. I know Kenny. :(

So you are saying his setup would spool full later than 5000 if he had a manual tranny? Hrmmmm.

[MrBlonde]

For a street car...long runners suck. I know Kenny. :(

So you are saying his setup would spool full later than 5000 if he had a manual tranny? Hrmmmm.

Well all my turbo systems have had relatively long runners, so they can work and work well on a turbo street car, it all depends on the turbo size and other elements of the system.

I found with mine when the turbo size got to a certain point, the long runner setup just didn't do what I wanted it to do. The RPM at which I got full boost meant the drivability characteristics both on street and strip where not what I wanted or needed. Mind you the car made a tinload of power but it didn't make power how I needed it to.

For example, it was hard to do a good burnout and it was hard to get the car to leave the line. Also when the power came on further down the track, it came on so hard the car stepped out even in top gear. No fun at all.

I'm not saying everyone with a long runner exhaust manifold will experience all these issues, or that there is no engineering to overcome these issues.

Using nitrous to help spool a large turbo is nothing new, but not everyone wants to use nitrous. And it's a race only application. You don't want to use nitrous every time you drive your car on the street just to get it to go.

Using a stall convertor and a transbrake (swapping to an aftermarket automatic transmission) is again a race only application. If you've ever driven a car with a stall convertor on the street you'll know what I mean, it's not fun.

In terms of spooling later or earlier with a manual or automatic tranny, I don't think that's the question. The question is can you leave the line hard with enough boost to satisfy your needs (as Oleg said in an earlier post).

With a bleeder you can use the stall convertor to build boost and the transbrake to leave hard and consistently.

With a manual tranny you can use antilag to build boost at a standstill.

With all these solutions, how do they apply to a streetcar? A switchable antilag on a manual tranny car might be the best of both worlds (you only use antilag at the drag strip). As with everything, we all have different wants and needs.

[StreuB1]

Oleg if you'd like I can link you to a forum that will greatly help your 4 link tuning


No offense.....but JT charges large sums of money to do a 4-link dial-in for professional race cars.....I think oleg is in very good hands working one on one via PM compared to an online forum.

No offense Jon, I know what you mean. Though this is a group of people trying to work with something they have never used before in a complete knowledge vacuum. It just so happens they have a 30 year veteran at their fingertips willing to lend them all those 30 years of experience the best he can for free. I don't see how you can beat that. :)

[highboostingm3]

Well all my turbo systems have had relatively long runners...
Thanks for that explanation Kenny. that really helps. Some day when I have the extra money to blow I will have a new manifold with all runners going straight from head flange to turbine flange (which will be in exactly the same location obviously at it is now) and do testing before/after. I would use the same wastegate location as well so the piping from wastegate tied back in to downpipe can work so it's a PnP. That would be great testing for everyone.

First I will see the difference with better cams, vanos and more displacement. The car was a blast before so I should like her even more this time.

No offense.....but JT charges large sums of money to do a 4-link dial-in for professional race cars.....I think oleg is in very good hands working one on one via PM compared to an online forum.

No offense Jon, I know what you mean. Though this is a group of people trying to work with something they have never used before in a complete knowledge vacuum. It just so happens they have a 30 year veteran at their fingertips willing to lend them all those 30 years of experience the best he can for free. I don't see how you can beat that. :)
Wow. That is so awesome that JT is helping Oleg out. I love it. Oleg's project is so cool and JT obviously respects it as well. Sickness! :worship:

[MrBlonde]

OT: Cameron, your car looks hot in your sig! Chin up, the money will roll in again one day

[got psi]

I'm actually waiting to see said chassis forum link before I start making suggestions. I am also putting a list of questions together that is more understandable for Oleg. Hands on is one thing but a cyber chassis tune. I am taking pics of my 4-link so I can use it for referance and education tool. Thats why I am waiting for Jon's link. There is way more than a chassis tune going on here. Yes the car didn't chassis too well but there some leave issues that can aggrivate this. All in all the car went straight and seems to run pretty good. Hats off to Oleg big time. ///J.T.///

[got psi]

Here is some of the best info anyone will need to set up a drag car suspension. Maybe this needs to be stickied. Start by reading "Getting Started". Then pick a page that fits your issue. Enjoy ///J.T.///

http://home.earthlink.net/~whshope/

[Oleg Coupe]

Thank you very much! Going to learn it this night!

Also we get off my 26x11 slicks, put 28x14.5, soften rear shocks. Didn't test it yet...raining :(

[jfdmas]

Here is some of the best info anyone will need to set up a drag car suspension. Maybe this needs to be stickied. Start by reading "Getting Started". Then pick a page that fits your issue. Enjoy ///J.T.///

http://home.earthlink.net/~whshope/

damnit, according to there 1/4 mile calculator i should be runnin 9.4's @ 137mph.:( it also says i should be cutting sub 1.5 60fts as well. lol im assuming this isnt too accurate. still fun though.

[PEI330Ci]

Here is some of the best info anyone will need to set up a drag car suspension. Maybe this needs to be stickied. Start by reading "Getting Started". Then pick a page that fits your issue. Enjoy ///J.T.///

http://home.earthlink.net/~whshope/

Thanks JT, excellent reference.

[ELIBEEMER]

Killer Machine Oleg, congrats!

[Oleg Coupe]

Update.

1. 26x11 slicks -> 28x14.5
2. Tires pressure: 18psi->14psi.
3. Nitrous: first test it turns on with first speed sensor signal, second test turns on with TB release. "TB release" wins.
4. 4-link got some tuning (Thanks J.T. for the link!)

Result: with the same 14psi of boost we got 10.97 in first (speed-nitro) test and 10.65 in second (TB-nitro) test and NO tires spinning.

So we take off 0.6 sec not rising boost level. Next I'm going to test bigger nitrous nozzle and -0.1...-0.3 sec nitrous engagement before TB release. I want to get in low 10 on 14 psi with suspension/launch tuning only. Then I can go BOOST.

Here is the slicks:

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/28x145.jpg

Here is the 10.97sec video. When I got 10.65 camera man sits in his 740iL - it was pretty cold there at night :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh66-vslFgw

[highboostingm3]

Oh My God Holy Sh:censored:t Drop A Load Monkey Farts! :eyecrazy

[jfdmas]

wow, why havnt i converted to auto yet. Looks very good oleg. I cant imagine what the car will do with big boost.

[highboostingm3]

14psi is not much for that turbo and for you to get into the 10s with such little overall tuning (launch, suspension, etc.) is incredible. I love that you are going to tune the suspension and launch more while staying at 14psi and then once that is all dialed, then you will add boost.

Sickness! :buttrock

[Oleg Coupe]

I'm sure it's stupid to abuse engine with high boost to cover your suspension/launch errors. It's all new to us to play with 4-link, Trans brake and nitrous engagement and it's very interesting. And I love how EASY it goes deeper and deeper in 10 with such low boost level. For sure it's perfect platform to learn how drag racing things works!

[Mac Daddy]

[quote=Oleg Coupe;14100353]Engine with manifolds&turbo:

http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/projects/Bee/P1030372.JPG



Looks Cool..!!!

what size of alt belt did you use ?
for which car this belt ?

[el bob]

Congratulations Oleg, I love how you are very carefully testing each new change! Very nice work!

JT, thanks for the link. Looks like there's a lot of reading to be done.

[Oleg Coupe]

Probably last tests this year, it's pretty cold here at nights and traction is poor. Probably next year we will see some VHT on the track...(first time in our history :D) and we will be able to lounch harder and boost more on 1st gear.

So this is 0.8bar 1st gear and than 1.25bar 2/3 gears run:
60ft: 1.9
0-100kmph: 2.9
0-200kmph: 8.2
ET: 10.42@230kmph

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q8QQOR9mKU

[dcskate102]

In russia you dont drive car, car drive you

[Oleg Coupe]

We are not in Russia, but Ukraine. It's close but USA and Canada is not the same, right? :)

BTW did anyone have any ideas what, let's say, 9sec track car can show on regular road?

[MrBlonde]

you certainly have it against you Oleg, that same pass at Atco would be a 9 second pass without any doubt. Also Ukrainian girls .. mmmmmm. Even the track and field girls at Olympics, the Uke chicks always looks so mean and tasty.

[zemaestro]

Car looks great. I have no idea about the 4-link setup, but I do know about launching automatic turbo cars with a lot of lag (my old 300zx) . My c-4 bmw street car which has actually worked out great, for making little to no power was setup to use Nitrous, so the converter is actually too tight right now. You can see in the vids that I'm actually pushing the front tires through the lights for about a foot, before they release. However these inline 6's have great spooI up characteristics and I am able to stall it up to 4000 on the footbrake because of the smallish t/3-t/4 67mm turbo. Anyway...On the 300zx I had two setups which produced nearly identical results. The converter was around a 4200 rpm stall and I could shift at 8500, you need to spin more R.P.M's, 7000 will surely be a limiting factor. Using only the footbrake I would bring it up to about 3000 r.p.m.s and simply launch. I was using about a 100hp shot and the nitrous was activated at W.O.T. During launch I would floor the gas pedal (activating the nitrous) and release the footbrake and then the nitrous would shut off automatically at about 12 p.s.i. The second method used a series of relays and pressure switches and two-step rev limiter. I would simply bring the car to the line, push the transbrake button, floor the car to activate nitrous, it would spool instantly and the nitrous again would shut off at about 12 p.s.i. and the car would stall at about 4000 making 18 p.s.i. then simply release the transbrake button to leave, this should work for you, it was consistent, only tested one day with it, but ran like 5 10.25-10.3's back to back. It seems as though you need to get the converter loosened or so to smaller turbo, or maybe change the hotside on the turbo? What does the car weigh?