*** DDM Announces DEPO Gen-n Euro Ellipsoids.

[jsp98m3]

Yeah, I know, its lame. But the whole Gen thing isn't rational anyway, so what the heck.

I have posted many times before that DEPO manufactures European Ellipsoids in two major flavors and several subsets.

Flavor 1 is known as Z Type for ZKW copy. It has nipples on the glass along the top edge. This variation has a DEPO part number ending in EO. Go run out and look at your shipping carton, I'll wait....

Ok.

Flavor 2 is known as H Type for Hella copy. It has no nipples (Or maybe its the other way around?) and the DEPO part number ends in EN. No, I'm not waiting for you to go look at your nipples, you perv.

In any case, I've long wondered when/if/how this might, if ever, be introduced as the NEWEST greatest Gen-∞ etc, etc.

Well, being impatient and tired of headlight nipples, I am going to introduce them ourselves.

Yes, another useless, made-up option for DEPOs to confuse the masses. Look for this exciting non-option at our regular everyday DEPO price of $99.00 in our relaxing e-store, www.ddmtuning.com.

DDM Tuning. The original DEPO Myth Busters*.

Jim

* No affiliation implied or claimed with those other geeks who know too much about whatever they claim to know.

BTW, I dropped a BUNCH of other DEPO prices while you have slept. Its what I do.

[96m3SC]

any pics of the head lights?

[jsp98m3]

I'll post some up later today. Looks exactly like current DEPOs, no nipples on glass along the top edge. Other than that, same old, same old.

[M3@Apex]

Hey Jim! Just a heads up before people start complaining haha, your DDE chromium option says +$750!!!!

[jsp98m3]

LOL!

Well you know, it cost me a lot to break the exclusive on it... ;)

I'll go change it. What product link is it in like that?

[Schwarz328iS]

your sig. it under the AE option for e36 depos

[XCELMotorsports]

What does DEPOS mean? And all this GEN whatever talk. Im lost, sorry im a BMW noob.

[M3@Apex]

LOL!

Well you know, it cost me a lot to break the exclusive on it... ;)

I'll go change it. What product link is it in like that?
Right here man, under "E36 DEPO "Gen-4" and "Gen-n" European Projectors" :)

http://www.ddmtuning.com/headlights.html

[96m3SC]

what size bulbs do they use?

[jsp98m3]

These all use H1

[kpipalldaway2]

so just to concur THESE are AUTHENTIC Depo, made by depo in Taiwan correct?

[jsp98m3]

Yes they are.

If you have doubts call Ms. Sally Chen of DEPO, 011-886-227760003 and tell her that Matt and Habbie are telling you they are all fake. She loves that stuff.

If she tries to get off the phone, don't give up. Ask for Michael Hsu, he's the head of sales.

I'm sure one of them will claim responsibility for selling me this stuff.

Jim

[stupenal]

Quick google search shows this website:

http://www.maxzone.com/maxzone/performance/facilities5.html

Confirms that the number posted by Jim indeed leads to DEPO Taipei, Taiwan office.

[kpipalldaway2]

one other quick thing, i think you had a typo, you said the Gen-n where the same thing as depo gen Ivs but without the nipples....
but genvis dont have nipples

[Mpowered95]

i heard some1 is going to have some european ellipsoids for 50 bucks pretty soon! can you price match that?:eyecrazy

[jsp98m3]

one other quick thing, i think you had a typo, you said the Gen-n where the same thing as depo gen Ivs but without the nipples....
but genvis dont have nipples

That's why I said "Or is it the other way around?"

You see, the whole thing is a made up fiction. There is no Gen-4. There is Z Type and there is H Type. And they can be had in Chrome or Black.

Everyone, everywhere has the same thing.

Jim

[jsp98m3]

i heard some1 is going to have some european ellipsoids for 50 bucks pretty soon! can you price match that?:eyecrazy

Actually, I could sell ellipsoids as low as $18 per set.

But I thought that cheap knockoffs were a bad thing? Or is it that bad product is ok, from the right source?

Lets take a for instance. I've seen this little black ballast HID kit on sale on this forum for 175 or something. Its claimed it won't set off most warning lights and its just great.

That ballast was the DDM slim ballast 18 months ago and we've moved on from there. With some work I'm sure we could dig up the posts from some sources claiming it was crap. But now, it seems to be just dandy.

Its all just so transparent.

Jim <== completely and totally ready to battle the unarmed in price wars.

[jsp98m3]

I think I made that offer. Come on over. We'll get about 50 people to watch. If you find a difference on currently shipping products I will pay you full cash money for your invoice. You keep your lights and the money.

So, its old pictures that aren't old and fake DEPOs but I have let customers listen on conference calls with DEPO to show I'm actually buying and currently shipping product. You guys didn't want to listen.

I'm sorry, but the prices on these products are now changed permanently. Maybe I should look for more things to sharpen the pencil on...

Now troll along...

[jsp98m3]

:nonoi live in NY, send me a sample light and i told you what i will do. if not, than whats to hide?

Nothing to hide at all. That's entirely the point. You are probably both pretty decent people. There is nothing in particular wrong with vendor loyalty. I've never really understood it. Beans are beans and DEPOs are DEPOs. Lieing and twisting truth make sense for your buddies because they've been making a nice living off of people for a long time. I'm just not sure what's in it for you. And I don't much care. This type of behavior exists everywhere in every hobby and 99% of the people just don't give a crap. I don't much either. I can have fun with you too.

It does get to a point where you just become a caricature of a common shill. At some point you have to decide if you give up your personal respect to front for other people who make money off of you and use you like pawns.

Its pretty disturbing no matter who is being shilled for.

If you want to give your money to someone and you get some personal satisfaction from that, that's good. You should enjoy your hobby. But pretty much, the market says they want a good product at a good price. Iintend to give it to them. If they decide to buy elsewhere, I didn't have their business in the first place, it doesn't affect me at all.

So have your fun, its going nowhere. You might be too.

Jim

[Schwarz328iS]

sorry to interrupt, but is the DDE Plus (+65.00) option on the Angel Eyes the bare ring/"thinline" ones?

[jsp98m3]

Thank you, You can always tell a score when they flinch.

Goodnight.

[s1ick]

sorry to interrupt, but is the DDE Plus (+65.00) option on the Angel Eyes the bare ring/"thinline" ones?

LOLZ


Anyways.. where the moderators at?

[s1ick]

listen, run along and mind your business. big boys are talking here. be happy you have the real deops on my old car.

Dude i ment to tell ya. The car is totalled. I didnt like the headlights so I crashed into the guardrail 10 days after purchasing the car.

[s1ick]

but to be honest I was on my way back to city to get inspection and it started raining, snowing and sleeting. Going straight car all of the sudden started sliding from the front :eyecrazy

[s1ick]

sorry to hi-jack your thread jim, but did you really crash it s1ick or you just being stupid?

Sorry for hi-jacking as well. I am being serious. The damage is pretty bad :[ Summertime part out..

[KyleAwesome]

Real quick, I dont know if anyone has said anything yet, but on your site, when you drop down the list for angel eyes chromiums are coming up at 750.00!!!

[Schwarz328iS]

[quote=Mpowered95;12093932]listen, run along and mind your business. big boys are talking here.[quote]

i'm sorry, i thought this thread was about headlights.

[rdpower]

i'm sorry, i thought this thread was about headlights.

Its alright, you just have to ignore the habbie boys.

[3SeriesPLZ]

Jim,

Mpowered can shove it, I have real things to ask you. With the add on HID Kits one your Depo's, which i trust are real BTW, would the HID's be pre-installed and come with the ballasts? Also, are the Predator Chromiums preinstalled, if I were to add those on? If that was the case i think, from what I have seen, the intstall on my end would take about 1/3 as much time as if they were all shipped seperately.

Way to go on lowering those mark-ups too.

Mpowered... I haven'e seen that many posts from you, but you really annoy me. FYI.

[3SeriesPLZ]

oh yeah.
S1ick: are those the Predator Chromiums on your car?

[stupenal]

let's do a quick logic test:

If Jim sells fake DEPOs, and its apparent public knowledge, that means DEPO must know he sells fakes. They would most likely send him a cease and desist letter, threatening legal action against him for selling lights labeled and marketed as depo when they weren't.

FACT: JIM HAS A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH DEPO. Why would ANY company continue to sell to a distributor accused of selling copies of their own products? How do we know this fact is true? Call the number posted in this thread. I verified that it's DEPO's Taipei office. I SAT IN ON A CALL THAT JIM MADE TO THAT NUMBER.

FACT: The number that Jim dialed while I was on the line IS IN TAIPEI. The company is a Taiwanese company. I posted in another thread that during the call, we were placed on hold and some sort of commercial was played. The "accent" if you will, of the chinese spoken was INDEED that of Taiwan. Jim discussed BUSINESS on the phone with DEPO. I was on the line, I heard every word.

FACT: You know Jim has a working relationship with DEPO because he posted pictures of his inventory. YOU KNOW THEY ARE DIRECT FROM DEPO. He couldn't have fabricated the boxes and packaging - look at how they spell "experience" on one of the boxes. It's spelled in a manner that only a chinese person who is HORRIBLE at english could spell it that way. There's no stinkin way Jim could create "fake" packaging and misspell experience like that. So don't come in here spouting any excuse that "Jim also has fake depo packaging" crap.

Link: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12089613&postcount=36

Give me your facts. Don't give me the "I saw with my own eyes that his stuff is fake blah blah." I don't just talk the talk. I called Jim out when he said, "you can join in on my call to Depo yourself." So sure, I gave Jim my number, he gave me a call, and let me listen in on a quick call to DEPO.

Recap: There is no logic for DEPO to have a working relationship with Jim if he was selling fake DEPO. No company would do such a thing. The "Jim sells fake DEPO headlights" does NOT pass the logic test. Prove me otherwise.

[Mpowered95]

let's do a quick logic test:

If Jim sells fake DEPOs, and its apparent public knowledge, that means DEPO must know he sells fakes. They would most likely send him a cease and desist letter, threatening legal action against him for selling lights labeled and marketed as depo when they weren't.

FACT: JIM HAS A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH DEPO. Why would ANY company continue to sell to a distributor accused of selling copies of their own products? How do we know this fact is true? Call the number posted in this thread. I verified that it's DEPO's Taipei office. I SAT IN ON A CALL THAT JIM MADE TO THAT NUMBER.

FACT: The number that Jim dialed while I was on the line IS IN TAIPEI. The company is a Taiwanese company. I posted in another thread that during the call, we were placed on hold and some sort of commercial was played. The "accent" if you will, of the chinese spoken was INDEED that of Taiwan. Jim discussed BUSINESS on the phone with DEPO. I was on the line, I heard every word.

FACT: You know Jim has a working relationship with DEPO because he posted pictures of his inventory. YOU KNOW THEY ARE DIRECT FROM DEPO. He couldn't have fabricated the boxes and packaging - look at how they spell "experience" on one of the boxes. It's spelled in a manner that only a chinese person who is HORRIBLE at english could spell it that way. There's no stinkin way Jim could create "fake" packaging and misspell experience like that. So don't come in here spouting any excuse that "Jim also has fake depo packaging" crap.

Link: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12089613&postcount=36

Give me your facts. Don't give me the "I saw with my own eyes that his stuff is fake blah blah." I don't just talk the talk. I called Jim out when he said, "you can join in on my call to Depo yourself." So sure, I gave Jim my number, he gave me a call, and let me listen in on a quick call to DEPO.

Recap: There is no logic for DEPO to have a working relationship with Jim if he was selling fake DEPO. No company would do such a thing. The "Jim sells fake DEPO headlights" does NOT pass the logic test. Prove me otherwise.

i dont know who would take your word seriously, lets see how many threads you are in of Jim's.... hmmmmmm, seems like you have a personal relationship with him too. and as far as saying "dont give me that 'i saw them with my own eyes' stuff " song and dance, than who would give credibility to your "phone conference" with him? great real, im done now and i apologize to Jim for taking up room in his thread. if any of you would like to PM me and continue this, feel free to!

[///Mpressin95]

weird how that guy got zapped for wanting to test your light and make a comparison with them and post results. guess ddmtuning has something to hide.

[s1ick]

oh yeah.
S1ick: are those the Predator Chromiums on your car?

No sir they are DDE enhanced. Picture was from over 3 years ago so I dont know if the product is still carried.


weird how that guy got zapped for wanting to test your light and make a comparison with them and post results. guess ddmtuning has something to hide.

I dont get what your trying to say. The same thing happens when Umnitza or habbie posts threads. The guy probably got zapped because he was speaking out of terms in relation to the thread.

[rdpower]

weird how that guy got zapped for wanting to test your light and make a comparison with them and post results. guess ddmtuning has something to hide.

I dont know this for sure, but I dont think jim/leif have the power to delete posts, so they didnt have anything to do with the posts being deleted. The moderators are the only ones that have the power to do that.

[stupenal]

i dont know who would take your word seriously, lets see how many threads you are in of Jim's.... hmmmmmm, seems like you have a personal relationship with him too. and as far as saying "dont give me that 'i saw them with my own eyes' stuff " song and dance, than who would give credibility to your "phone conference" with him? great real, im done now and i apologize to Jim for taking up room in his thread. if any of you would like to PM me and continue this, feel free to!

Eh, no personal relationship. Never met the guy, never bought any of his products. Anyone who lives near me can come see my car anytime, it has the regular US crap headlights, and ambers all around. I have nothing to hide.

As for the phone conference credibility - Jim posted the number and contact at DEPO. Call them yourself, you'll hear the same things I heard. I don't know if you'll understand them, but give it a try. All the information is put out in the public - so for the naysayers, do what I did: put up or shut up.

[jsp98m3]

For the record, I deleted my own poss about Predator Orion where I gave the manufacturers part number and the swelling price per kit, min order of 100 kits.

That was me.

I didn't ask for anyone's posts to get locked or threads to be closed/towed. I logged off last night and went to bed.

That's that. I won't start controversy on here if people leave me alone. Leaving me alone mainly means don't call me or my company liars.

Other than that, business is business. I am cheaper on some goods and I'm more expensive on some others. That's the way it goes. All I want is to sell some product at a fair price and be left alone to do it.

So no, we have no powers to delete posts other than our own.

Jim

[///Mpressin95]

Eh, no personal relationship. Never met the guy, never bought any of his products. Anyone who lives near me can come see my car anytime, it has the regular US crap headlights, and ambers all around. I have nothing to hide.

As for the phone conference credibility - Jim posted the number and contact at DEPO. Call them yourself, you'll hear the same things I heard. I don't know if you'll understand them, but give it a try. All the information is put out in the public - so for the naysayers, do what I did: put up or shut up.

too bad 2% of us know how to speak Mandarin... do you take time to think about what you are typing or do you just hit "sumbit reply" when you are done typing?

[stupenal]

Eh, no personal relationship. Never met the guy, never bought any of his products. Anyone who lives near me can come see my car anytime, it has the regular US crap headlights, and ambers all around. I have nothing to hide.

As for the phone conference credibility - Jim posted the number and contact at DEPO. Call them yourself, you'll hear the same things I heard. I don't know if you'll understand them, but give it a try. All the information is put out in the public - so for the naysayers, do what I did: put up or shut up.

Um yeah. I actually do think about what I write. I bolded the parts that covers most people's inability to speak Chinese Mandarin. Point is - if you call the number, you'll find out who you're calling. Even if you don't understand them, you'll know that you're calling some chinese company. And with the other link I posted, you can see exactly that you're calling DEPO Taipei.

[///Mpressin95]

well that is terrific, i can call depo right now and wholesale clear corners and lights but does that mean anything? NO it doesnt. you dont know what he ordered or if he even ordered anything. and dont tell people to put up or shut up when they dont speak that language... maybe i should have you call up ZKW in germany to prove i sell for them.:lol

[jsp98m3]

too bad 2% of us know how to speak Mandarin... do you take time to think about what you are typing or do you just hit "sumbit reply" when you are done typing?

Its ok, all the people at DEPO can speak English too. Taiwan is weird that way...

Call, ask. Its educational. Plus you'll score major PR points for everyone involved :)

Jim

PS: Tell them to hurry up on the MB stuff I'm waiting for them to finish.

[///Mpressin95]

Its ok, all the people at DEPO can speak English too. Taiwan is weird that way...

Call, ask. Its educational. Plus you'll score major PR points for everyone involved :)

Jim

PS: Tell them to hurry up on the MB stuff I'm waiting for them to finish.

its ok Jim, you have nothing to prove to me and my beef isnt with you... its with all these goons in here.

[rdpower]

its ok Jim, you have nothing to prove to me and my beef isnt with you... its with all these goons in here.

How can you say that your 'beef' isnt with him, if you are calling him a liar about selling depo lights??

[3SeriesPLZ]

Jim, could you answer my question bout the HID kits?

[rdpower]

Jim, could you answer my question bout the HID kits?

Jim can correct me if I am wrong, but I am almost positive as long as you purchase everything at once, they will be preinstalled with everything that you will need. So it will basically be plug and play.

[jsp98m3]

HID kits come pre-installed as well as any angel eye options. The HID kit that will be installed is a DDM brand kit. The bulbs are H1 and are available in a full range of colors at no extra charge. If you order DEPOs by themselves without HID you will get generic H1 bulbs. Superblues are available for extra. If you order HID, we put the superblues in the high beams at no extra charge. Plug and Play adapter harnesses are included.

Does that cover it all? I'll go scan for your post again.

Jim

[jsp98m3]

Clarification: All options are preinstalled.

Jim

[stupenal]

well that is terrific, i can call depo right now and wholesale clear corners and lights but does that mean anything? NO it doesnt. you dont know what he ordered or if he even ordered anything. and dont tell people to put up or shut up when they dont speak that language... maybe i should have you call up ZKW in germany to prove i sell for them.:lol

Go back and reread the logic test I went through above. I don't want to get into the specifics of what the conference call went through, but the fact remains - jim has a working relationship with DEPO. You cannot deny that. He gave you the sales rep's name, and her supervisor's name. He's posted pictures of products received from DEPO, with DEPO packaging. Now armed with that information, ask yourself the question, "Would DEPO work and sell to Jim, knowing he supposedly sells "fake" depo headlights?"

And yes, it really has come to the "put up or shut up" phase. Jim has clearly welcomed ANYONE to go to his warehouse to inspect his goods. You're in socal - give it a shot. Everything is laid out for you - so anyone who wants to make claims that Jim is selling "fake goods," then come and prove everyone otherwise.

And by the way - most of the conference call was done in English. I almost wanted to break out crying listening to the Taiwanese woman speak English, but somehow managed to hold it in. Taiwanese people learn English from when they're in elementary school, and all the way through high school. There are TONS and TONS of English tutors in Taiwan. Most Taiwanese people will understand you if you speak slowly, but when replying they may have some difficulty.

[///Mpressin95]

How can you say that your 'beef' isnt with him, if you are calling him a liar about selling depo lights??

whoa, lay off the ganja...where was that post?

[rdpower]

whoa, lay off the ganja...where was that post?

Well maybe I misunderstood what you are trying to say, but from what I got you are saying that ddm doesnt sell real depo stuff, and that they dont buy their depos directly from depo????

[///Mpressin95]

Well maybe I misunderstood what you are trying to say, but from what I got you are saying that ddm doesnt sell real depo stuff, and that they dont buy their depos directly from depo????

oh sorry, maybe i should ask differently... can you please show me where i posted that?

[s1ick]

its ok Jim, you have nothing to prove to me and my beef isnt with you... its with all these goons in here.

Who do you mean by these goons? Are you talking about the people who are causing controversy?

[Schwarz328iS]

Well maybe I misunderstood what you are trying to say, but from what I got you are saying that ddm doesnt sell real depo stuff, and that they dont buy their depos directly from depo????

i understood the same thing, from this post:


weird how that guy got zapped for wanting to test your light and make a comparison with them and post results. guess ddmtuning has something to hide.

[Schwarz328iS]

Jim, when do you think we'll get to see some pics of the "difference" if there is one, between the Gen-4 and the Gen-n?

[jsp98m3]

They are on the bottom of the pallets that we've got shoved in the corner, waiting for ready stock to get moved out. I think I can take pictures on the weekend when there aren't employees running around. Its just a matter of getting in their way during the week.

Basically, the difference is that the-n unit has the little row of bumps or nipples molded in the glass along the top edge. Generally it doesn't interfere with Lamin-x although it might with some other company's plastic product.

Other than that, there is just no difference between the units.

I ended up with them in another shipping situation. Quite often when I buy DEPOs I get them in boxes with other vendors names on them. THat's how I have so many Umnitza lights I presume. Orders get built and then they ship out the stuff closest to the door when I send them money. At least that's their explanation to me because I wanted to make sure I was getting the right thing and called them. I don't know if any of our 'labeled' boxes show up on other people's docks or not, I would guess so, the part numbers for all of these are exactly the same, right out of the catalog.

Now I just have to find the memory card for the camera.... :)

[DethManX]

So when will we be able to order these with the new Predator Orions?

[Cal]

It's great to see DDM taking the initiative to provide all these great products at such great prices. Throughout the many years here, I've bought lighting products from a couple of different vendors (DDM and the "other" one), and I've found DDM (and understeer who also sells their lights) to be the most honest, straightforward, and that also has the best customer service. In addition, they have the best prices around and the best warranty around (as in it doesn't cost you a single penny to use it. The other vendor charges you for shipping, deposits, etc and that's if they decide to warrant you.) Shop and compare. To anyone deciding who to buy from, I would recommend DDM/understeer each and every time.

[iowaboostin]

Payment sent, thanks!

ps- Jim, you said there's a color option for the HIDs? I'm sending ya a PM regarding my lights...

[APXDDM-SD]

Hello Everyone. I just want to introduce myself, I am Zach, myself and 2 others are going to be taking over the online support and questions regarding any Apexcone or DDM Tuning products. If you have any questions or concern please feel free to PM me directly and I will be happy to assist you in answering any and all of your questions. I look forward to serving you in the near future. Don't forget to check us out on our website, ddmtuning.com

[jonjon0nline]

If people want to compare Gen 4 with what DDM offers, Paypal me the funds and I'll go to Umnitza's shop the same day, take everything apart and take pics with a fancy camera ;)

I'll even bring LWRNCE with me to remove any bias people may think I have lol.