PIC REQUEST: 10" wide wheel with teen offsets on e36

[SArmstrong]

Trying to find a picture of a 17 or 18x10 with an offset somewhere around +5 to +15. Or something similar in size (ie. a 9 -7 to +3 or 10.5 +11 to whatever, you get the ida).

Looking for it on a non widebody e36. Trying to see how much rolling and pulling the fender can take.

Dimensions, width, offset, tire size, etc would be awesome. Thanks.

[firstwasane30]

10,5x18 ET28
http://www.felgen-man.de/e36/Coupe/CL911-11.jpg

11x18 mit 225/35-18
http://www.felgen-man.de/compact/9.jpg



EDIT: It'l work fine.

[LWRNCE]

why would you want 10 inch wide? the most you should go is 17's 8.5 wide. Its really pointless and there is a big performance loss.

[Lou the Greek]

performance loss or not... thats so hot :eek:

[Digitalwave]

why would you want 10 inch wide? the most you should go is 17's 8.5 wide. Its really pointless and there is a big performance loss.

I'm going to state the obvious, but you would do it for looks. Same reason you would do 19's on an E36.

[SArmstrong]

why would you want 10 inch wide? the most you should go is 17's 8.5 wide. Its really pointless and there is a big performance loss.

For what the car will be used for it will have a greater performance output with a 225/40 stretched on a 10 than a 215/40 on a 8.5.

Are there any other shots of that black car from a straight angle back or something? I would be looking to pull the fender about another 7mm based on rim offset alone. Also what size tire is that, 255/35 or 265/35 -ish?

Thanks.

[KevRC4130]

For what the car will be used for it will have a greater performance output with a 225/40 stretched on a 10 than a 215/40 on a 8.5.

Are there any other shots of that black car from a straight angle back or something? I would be looking to pull the fender about another 7mm based on rim offset alone. Also what size tire is that, 255/35 or 265/35 -ish?

Thanks.

I LOVE the stretched look, and completely support you doing this 100%...

BUT...

How do you figure a greater performance output? I understand that there is slightly more width on the tire, but you also need to consider that stretching warps the entire shape of the tire, creating an uneven contact area, which actually minimizes the surface area between the tire and the road. What situation would this yield better performance in?

[Digitalwave]

Stretching doesn't do anything to the contact area, it just distorts the sidewall.

[KevRC4130]

Stretching doesn't do anything to the contact area, it just distorts the sidewall.

That's not true, improper width tires create a slight concave/convex... I wish I could find the diagram that explains it.

[SArmstrong]

Stretching a tire makes the sidewall much stiffer and more rigid, allowing for less flex and more predictable transitions when drifting without any extra flop to it. It also decreases tire patch with the ground and frictional surface which makes the tires easier to spin, yet another positive for a low horsepower car drifting. BTW, car is to be used as a drift car.

[FINM3]

10.5x18 offset 33, 265/30/18 Dunlop SP9000
http://exorcist.1g.fi/kuvat/Autot/E36M3/Talvi+06/IMG_0201.jpg/medium

http://exorcist.1g.fi/kuvat/Autot/E36M3/Talvi+06/IMG_0187.jpg/medium

http://exorcist.1g.fi/kuvat/Autot/E36M3/Talvi+06/sneak.jpg/medium

10x17 offset 15, 245/35/17 Goodyear F1 Eagle

http://exorcist.1g.fi/kuvat/Autot/E36M3/X-treme+Car+Show+7-8.10/xtreme2.jpg/medium
http://exorcist.1g.fi/kuvat/Autot/E36M3/X-treme+Car+Show+7-8.10/IMG_0468.jpg/medium

Just pulled/rolled.. doable but not easy.

[SArmstrong]

Yes! Perfect! Any other pictures of the one with a x10 +15?

[KarlSpackler]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/JTfireandrain/07%20Car%20Show/spackerroof.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/JTfireandrain/07%20Car%20Show/100_0630.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/JTfireandrain/07%20Car%20Show/100_0634.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/JTfireandrain/jons%20pics/Spackler2.jpg

17x10 et13 w/ 235/40

[wardamneagle]

Eww. No. I dunno.

[Don Nguyen]

I hear that Synthetic Darkness guy was running 10s on his car with low offsets, and it looked right/good.

[rubberdub]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/JTfireandrain/07%20Car%20Show/100_0630.jpg

17x10 et13 w/ 235/40


Nice wheels but your skirts/bumpers are too white. You should go to a body/paint shop that has a spectrometer, they could match your skirts and bumpers to the stock paint. 10-year old Alpineweiss II is not exactly the same as just mixed Alpineweiss (ask me how I know :stickoutt).

[KarlSpackler]

Nice wheels but your skirts/bumpers are too white. You should go to a body/paint shop that has a spectrometer, they could match your skirts and bumpers to the stock paint. 10-year old Alpineweiss II is not exactly the same as just mixed Alpineweiss (ask me how I know :stickoutt).

yeah, I know. The car is no longer mine and it has been taken care of

[London07]

its the same with titanium silver... :(

[sausrigging]

Heres a shot with the 'proper sized' tire
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j222/qcyacht/DSCN2245.jpg

[sausrigging]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j222/qcyacht/DSCN2244.jpg

[fcvapor05]

Stretching the tires most definately distorts the contact patch, makes the sidewall softer, and does not increase contact area with the ground. I don't know where you get your info..

[Digitalwave]

I never said it makes the sidewall stiffer or makes the contact patch wider. I just don't see how it distorts the contact patch. Mine are completely normal.

[Grey Phox]

^^^^The Hellrot E36 above......:drool: :drool: :drool: and Spacklers car too.

[fcvapor05]

Stretching doesn't do anything to the contact area, it just distorts the sidewall.

Go 'stretch' the sidewalls on an un-mounted tire apart, and watch the tread area become concave. The same thing happens when you mount the tire on the rim.

[Digitalwave]

:dunno Not on my car I guess.

[rubberdub]

Go 'stretch' the sidewalls on an un-mounted tire apart, and watch the tread area become concave. The same thing happens when you mount the tire on the rim.

Not exactly. The 40psi of pressure behind it and several hundred pounds of weight pressing down have quite an effect on this, making for quite a different scenario.

Check a stretched tire after some mileage. The wear is the same as an unstretched tire, if the inflation and alignment is consistent.

The danger with stretched tires is that under hard cornering, the tire is slighly more likely to withdraw from the bead areas of the rim and stress fatigue on the radial belts over time weakens them and leads to failure.

If the tire did indeed remain concave in the center, as you think it does, then it would actually be safer as it would minimize the deviation from acceptable angle range of the sidewall relative to the contact tread area.

[CVGTURBO86]

I'm going to state the obvious, but you would do it for looks. Same reason you would do 19's on an E36.
I believe he was making fun of all the people bitching and moaning in this thread:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=575875

[Remotion]

something like this :P
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?id=12610365&tabNumber=2&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=price.consumerGrossEuro&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&makeModelVariant1.makeId=3500&makeModelVariant1.modelId=13&vehicleCategory=Car&segment=Car&minFirstRegistrationDate=1991-01-01&maxFirstRegistrationDate=1993-12-31&climatisation=MANUAL_OR_AUTOMATIC_CLIMATISATION&features=LEATHER_SEATS&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&customerIdsAsString=&categories=Limousine&lang=en&pageNumber=1

[fcvapor05]

If the tire did indeed remain concave in the center, as you think it does, then it would actually be safer as it would minimize the deviation from acceptable angle range of the sidewall relative to the contact tread area.

It does to some degree. Do a pressure trace on the wheel in question and you will see.

[Geoff.T]

I hear that Synthetic Darkness guy was running 10s on his car with low offsets, and it looked right/good.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/NotAnotherE36/P1040416.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/NotAnotherE36/P1040418.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/NotAnotherE36/P1040419.jpg

ET17 :)

[buck1115]

Zomg your car. ::drool:

[mbimmoor]

I'm going to state the obvious, but you would do it for looks. Same reason you would do 19's on an E36.

rofl. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/owned2.gif

[KarlSpackler]

ET17 :)

Dude, there is no way. Go re-measure you wheels.

If they are 17X10.5 ET17 like you say, they would stick out ALOT farther than that.

[SArmstrong]

Awesome, awesome, awesome. Thanks everyone.



*image that some stupid rule won't let me quote*
17x10 et13 w/ 235/40

By chance do you have any other closer shots of your rear wheel fitment, specifically of the pull (like side/rear/iso view-ish)? Thanks!!!!!!!!

[bmw318is1994]

Stretching a tire makes the sidewall much stiffer and more rigid, allowing for less flex and more predictable transitions when drifting without any extra flop to it. It also decreases tire patch with the ground and frictional surface which makes the tires easier to spin, yet another positive for a low horsepower car drifting. BTW, car is to be used as a drift car.

ok SArmstrong I'm not meaning to crap on your thread or anything here. Why would you want a 10 inch wide wheel for a low horsepower drift car? To me I would run a narrower wheel to make it easier to drift with low HP. If I was to drift my car I would probably run no bigger then 16's and no wider than 7" on a low HP. Smaller the easier it is to get it to spin...narrower the wheel means narrow tires...less contact patch...easier to spin the wheel. Also what do you consider "low HP"? If you want a 10" wide wheel for looks more power to you...cuz it's YOUR car. :)

[DTM Derek]

why would you want 10 inch wide? the most you should go is 17's 8.5 wide. Its really pointless and there is a big performance loss.

:lol says the guy with the almost 30 pound 19" wheels.....

[DTM Derek]

doh, i got beat to it.

[SArmstrong]

ok SArmstrong I'm not meaning to crap on your thread or anything here. Why would you want a 10 inch wide wheel for a low horsepower drift car? To me I would run a narrower wheel to make it easier to drift with low HP. If I was to drift my car I would probably run no bigger then 16's and no wider than 7" on a low HP. Smaller the easier it is to get it to spin...narrower the wheel means narrow tires...less contact patch...easier to spin the wheel. Also what do you consider "low HP"? If you want a 10" wide wheel for looks more power to you...cuz it's YOUR car.

As I said before, stretching a tire stiffens the sidewall. With a stiffer sidewall when transferring drifts on a course there is no rebound or flop.

Why would you run no bigger than 16's? The diameter has absolutely no effect whatsoever except on the overall cost of new tires.

A 7" with a 215 gets a lot more traction than a 10" with a 225. By stretching a tire you are decreasing the tire patch on the ground, especially with camber (especially when running multiple degrees of negative camber). Also by stretching a tire you are putting extra stress across the tread causing a loss in frictional force on the amount of tire that is on the ground. Finally, when running a stretched tire you run a much higher psi than you would on a normal-sized tire. With a higher pressure, there is less grip that the tire can achieve when spinning.


Low horsepower is whatever the factory 2.5L comes with. 180hp or something? So around 130whp if I'm lucky in a 2950lb car (including driver). Pretty low power:weight.

These wheels would be moreso for street use and be swapped off at the track for drift spares unless someone tells me a camera guy showed up for a change.

[Eurospec328]

Drool....

[LWRNCE]

:lol says the guy with the almost 30 pound 19" wheels.....

lol I am suprised no one got that lol.:devillook

[SArmstrong]

Hey, KarlSpackler, anymore pictures close up of your rear pull? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee.

[KarlSpackler]

Hey, KarlSpackler, anymore pictures close up of your rear pull? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee.

search for a tires thread in the FI forum. I posted them there and got alot of grief about it.

I am at work and photobucket is blocked

[CVGTURBO86]

lol I am suprised no one got that lol.:devillook
I already got it, see post above.

[Kowalsky]

For what the car will be used for it will have a greater performance output with a 225/40 stretched on a 10 than a 215/40 on a 8.5.

Are there any other shots of that black car from a straight angle back or something? I would be looking to pull the fender about another 7mm based on rim offset alone. Also what size tire is that, 255/35 or 265/35 -ish?

Thanks.

Here u have some pics:

w w w.felgen-man.de/e36/Coupe/CL911-6.jpg

w w w.felgen-man.de/e36/Coupe/CL911-7.jpg

w w w.felgen-man.de/e36/Coupe/CL911-9.jpg

I have just got my OZ mito from felgen-garage.de! Great looking rims!

Fix the links!

[PinoIX]

As I said before, stretching a tire stiffens the sidewall. With a stiffer sidewall when transferring drifts on a course there is no rebound or flop.

Why would you run no bigger than 16's? The diameter has absolutely no effect whatsoever except on the overall cost of new tires.

A 7" with a 215 gets a lot more traction than a 10" with a 225. By stretching a tire you are decreasing the tire patch on the ground, especially with camber (especially when running multiple degrees of negative camber). Also by stretching a tire you are putting extra stress across the tread causing a loss in frictional force on the amount of tire that is on the ground. Finally, when running a stretched tire you run a much higher psi than you would on a normal-sized tire. With a higher pressure, there is less grip that the tire can achieve when spinning.


Low horsepower is whatever the factory 2.5L comes with. 180hp or something? So around 130whp if I'm lucky in a 2950lb car (including driver). Pretty low power:weight.

These wheels would be moreso for street use and be swapped off at the track for drift spares unless someone tells me a camera guy showed up for a change.

I think you guys are getting way to technical... the man just asked in your opinions, if he should or not. Not a tech lesson. However, you are correct in your info. With many friends into drifting, the combination of a wider wheel, but stretched... and an extreme negative camber, and with a much higher psi does help in drifting.... breaking the tires loose, but with stability due to no flex in side wall. But I do think definitely helps in looks too.

[SpasticDwarf]

why oh why was this thread bumped...

[JustinE36M3]

why oh why was this thread bumped...

:rofl 2 weeks later