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Good used dualmass flywheel and clutch pack (disk and pressure plate) for e34/e36 s5d 250g 5spd trans. I got this for my e34 525i '92 5spd swap, decided to go another direction with my clutch/fw setup. Shipping from 37090. 75+shipping
Thanks
Herbert
THIS IS THE SAME ONE I BOUGHT FROM "WHIT" THIS WEEK.
kalevera
11-03-2007, 07:42 PM
* Keep in mind that it's from a ZF car, not that there's any difference (that I know of...)
No difference that I know of.
Lowell, I know that this will be asked, and I didn't when I bought it, how many miles are on the parts? Thanks, you were great to deal with.
Herbert.
kalevera
11-03-2007, 08:18 PM
Not sure of mileage, but I do know the timeframe. It was installed in ~ December of 05 and the car was wrecked in July or August of 06, maybe earlier...
attack eagle
11-03-2007, 08:18 PM
so this one will work with the m50 and zf310 in my proposed 5 spd swap?
Good working unit, or will it need a new clutch disc, resurfacing etc?
Estimated Shipping to 79925?
Lemme know
Monastie
11-03-2007, 09:22 PM
what difference is there between this flywheel and the stock one?
I mean practically, because even if it's lighter I never knew what difference this makes...
Lowell - Thanks for the input.
AE - Good working unit. Weight will be about 30lbs, and I'll use the US Postal Service - so about $25, I will be shipping a steering wheel out tomorrow hopefully and have a better idea about shipping.
Monastie - This is stock.
attack eagle
11-04-2007, 07:54 PM
I'll take it...
PM me your paypal and I'll get you the $100 tonight, and let me know if shipping runs more, if so I'll send the difference.
I cna change the disc later on a lot easier than I can convince the wife to let me buy all new disc and PP right now.
I can change the disc later on a lot easier than I can convince the wife to let me buy all new disc and PP right now.
Yes the wife must bless everything, but sometimes it is easier if the foot is already in the door.:)
hjscranton@hotmail.com and I'll ship it tomorrow.
attack eagle
11-05-2007, 03:30 AM
ah, you must be married as well...
payment sent. Sorry for the delay...
Was getting a jumpstart on Christmas shopping today and it set off red flags w/ the CC company... unusual activity.
Mr Project
11-05-2007, 07:35 AM
Hey, AE, didn't know you were planning a swap. That'll be sweet, you'll have quite a unique Touring.
attack eagle
11-05-2007, 09:52 PM
I wasn't planning it. :)
I was forced into doing it by complete trans. failure last wednesday.
Yours and shrike's swap threads have been re-read several times now.
"Was getting a jumpstart on Christmas shopping today and it set off red flags w/ the CC company... unusual activity."
Well consider this a present to yourself, and to add to the festivities - all the "From: - To:" stickers at the post office were holiday ones.
My wife is kind enough to let me have two toys that detract from her time, so she must love me.:D
I wasn't planning it. :)
I was forced into doing it by complete trans. failure last wednesday.
Yours and shrike's swap threads have been re-read several times now.
Lemme know what else you need and if a touring driveshaft will work.. There should still be a ZF tranny and manual stuff in a local salvage yard.
If you want to call him and talk to him about that stuff I'd help get it shipped etc. You could also tell him I'd pull the remaining parts off the car.
I know the tranny is out though because I bought the motor out of the car Im thinking about.
He may also have another 92 5 spd with a ZF..
Avenue Auto Wrecking in Kansas City.. Google them, they've got a website, and talk to Wren.. Tell him Brady with the e34's told you to call him.
srsly though.. he takes plastic too..
attack eagle
11-06-2007, 04:13 PM
i've found a complete zf310 drivetrain thru a bf.c member and it is almost ready to ship, but I thank you very much for your kind offer.
just need to get a new slave, soft line, and shift lever, CSB, maybe new guibo, and other assorted wear items.
The local BMW dealer is I'm certain looking forward to recieving my list, but they support my passion and appreciate my knowledge and preparedness with great deals, superior over the counter service, and drop everything shop service when I roll in for an appointment or with an issue (rare but it does happen).
After all 'The Touring' is a rolling testament to quality, class, and durability for BMW on the street and at events they hold (ultimate drive, etc).
Awesome!
I'd go with a braided stainless line and a Z3 shifter or something similar instead of stock stuff though.
attack eagle
11-06-2007, 07:00 PM
damn that so sounded like a paid testimonial...
no i don't work for bmw... they don't give a discount as good as what i get now... ;)
no ss line for 525s like there is for the 530/540, already researched that.
z3/e46 ix model is the shortest throw from what I have read, but exactly HOW short is the throw?
attack eagle
11-10-2007, 05:28 PM
herb, it arrived about 4 minutes ago... poor mailman. :)
In ebay language: item as described, nicely packed and cushioned, fast shipping... A+++
X Mon
11-10-2007, 05:40 PM
Poor mailman...I'd expect the DHL person will be in need of a beer or 6 this Tuesday
Did you catch the post on the PND321 lights?
AE,
Thanks, I was hoping it would arrive today.:)
I am in limbo about what shifter to use, z3 1.9l or z8, there is a pic of most shifters available all lined up together, give me a minute I'll find it and get back....
X Mon
11-10-2007, 05:48 PM
Here are the lever ratios:
http://users.rcn.com/xmon/shift/shiftratio.jpg
From Ron's site....
http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/shiftg3.gif
http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/shiftg4.gif
http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/shiftg1.gif
http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/shiftg.gif
attack eagle
11-10-2007, 05:48 PM
yes I did.
OT: I'm still tempted to try discoing the EGS for Shh and giggles just to see what happens when the computer is completely gone. just need to figure out the starter relay location you were refering to.
I hate to leave the TCU in the car doing squat. Especially when they have value to other people.
EDIT: cool find Xmon... now if someone had the shifter length etc for the oem shifter you could easily pick a ratio that would be sprty or comfortable enough o match your personal preference.
I'll measure the OEM 525 one when it arrives tuesday/wed. if no one comes up with the numbers before then.
The z3 1.9 is sounding a bit short for my personal Cruising tastes ( plus my wife has VERY limited experience driving 5 speed), so i think the z8 (25111434527) sounds more reasonable... But I sure would love to try that z3-2.8 with the 4:1 ratio just once!
X Mon
11-10-2007, 05:53 PM
EGS is the Elektronisch Getriebe System or Electronic Automatic Gearbox
http://www.atombessy.com/mattsfiles/BMW/5speed/starter%20circuit1.jpghttp://www.atombessy.com/mattsfiles/BMW/5speed/starter%20circuit.jpg
http://www.atombessy.com/mattsfiles/BMW/5speed/jumper.jpg
The jumpers were long gone in both of the 5spd cars I looked at this past week.
I'm debating wiring the clutch switch into the starter relay on the touring to keep people from starting it in gear. Mainly for the dealer techs and others who were used to driving the car as an automatic.
Pics... I wish the z8 was pictured, because BMW Nashville doesn't have one for me to compare. I have read good things about the z8 shifter and have the z3 1.9l shifter in my e30 - it's great, short but not too short, and the height of it is perfect for transferring from wheel to lever and back. My indecision is because I want the shorter (height, in cabin) of the two.
The z3 M would have the shortest throw.
X Mon
11-10-2007, 06:15 PM
I've never seen that lower pic Herb (with the iX shifter in it).
I've got the Z3 in the iXes as well as M20 powered E34 and have been quite pleased with it in both. With the fact that I have relatively proportionate legs and arms, it puts the lever right where I want it.
AE I'd measure my stock e34 shifter, but I had to cut the top off of the one for my swap because someone had a getto knob on the top which I couldn't figure out to go get out before I realized that Mr. Sawzall needed a workout.
attack eagle
11-10-2007, 06:22 PM
I'm debating wiring the clutch switch into the starter relay on the touring to keep people from starting it in gear. Mainly for the dealer techs and others who were used to driving the car as an automatic.
Great minds think Alike... I've been trying to contemplate a way of mounting a microswitch or two to enable starting only when physically in neutral on the box... I hate clutch pedal switches because you have to get in the car to start it.
I'm used to no clutch switch and leaving 5 speeds in neutral because I had a turbo timer on the DSM. I finally got used to putting the Touring in park instead of neutral or leaving it in gear here recently :rolleyes
92's don't have the key interlock, just the brake pedal/EGS operated solenoid lock for the gear selector
Jumper means no relay xmon? or jumpering 87 and 30 together With the relay still there?
X Mon
11-10-2007, 06:27 PM
Great minds think Alike... I've been trying to contemplate a way of mounting a microswitch or two to enable starting only when physically in neutral on the box... I hate clutch pedal switches because you have to get in the car to start it.
I'm used to no clutch switch and leaving 5 speeds in neutral because I had a turbo timer on the DSM. I finally got used to putting the Touring in park instead of neutral or leaving it in gear here recently :rolleyes
92's don't have the key interlock, just the brake pedal/EGS operated solenoid lock for the gear selector
Be glad they don't have the interlock. I get annoyed to all hell because I have the tendency to park the car and shut it off, get out to unload and THEN try to get the key out. More often than not I'm stuck trying to pull the key through the window, and then realizing I have to open the door, step on the brake pedal, etc, etc.:mad
Possibly microswitches that would contact the the shift lever on the interior side of the hole in the transmission tunnel? I almost always park 5spds in reverse, backed up with the wheels against the curb and the parking brake on.
X Mon
11-10-2007, 06:29 PM
Jumper means no relay xmon? or jumpering 87 and 30 together With the relay still there?
Pins 87 and 30 together with no relay. Basically they take a gutted relay and wire the terminals together internally. I can make you one with a spare relay if it comes to that, though I wouldn't want to deprive you of the fun.
I probably should post the top half of that diagram...gonna edit that now
I've always left mine in neutral, and loved that I could just start the car without the clutch (e36/e30). I hope it will be the same after my swap, though no reason to think it wouldn't.
AE, I understand your thoughts about a relay for starting only in neutral. I hate it when someone else would drive my car then leave it in gear, then by habit I would just fire it up - LURCH, dammit.:)
attack eagle
11-10-2007, 06:52 PM
shoot, i'll just make my jumper with a couple of spades and a length of wire. Should take all of a minute to do it nicely with heat shrink.
Herb, here is my thought. in any gear the shifter will move either fore or aft. if you could have one fore and one aft that were closed when the shifter is in neutral and series them, any move of the shifter in either direction would open the contacts and prevent starting. Gonna have to give it more thought when things are assembled. I'm a visual person.
GL, but unfortunatly I am electically retarded. I understand open/closed, just not how you would rig it all up... not asking for an explanation, just giving props.:D
attack eagle
11-10-2007, 07:12 PM
well If I figure it out, you know there will be a write up on it!
Tried to give you iTrader points but it says the thread url is wrong. Stupid I Trader. this is why no one uses it.
Thanks, it will be interesting reading and learning. I understand the concept of what you intend to do, just not the mechanics.
iTrader? I've never even clicked on the "0" for curiosity. Thanks though.:)
attack eagle
11-10-2007, 08:54 PM
well bypassing the starter relay is now done. Thanks Xmon.
Took me TWO minutes... getting slow. :)
Was able to start in E2... no drama.
I'm sure Herb will wanna see so here are the pics.
Removed orange relay, used two spade terminals and a short piece of wire to make a jumper...
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/AttackEagle/e34%205%20speed%20swap/DSC_0003.jpg
inserted jumper as seen below. #2 to #6 on the socket
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/AttackEagle/e34%205%20speed%20swap/DSC_0002.jpg
Car ignores transmission selector when starting... removing jumper = car won't crank over at all.
X Mon
11-10-2007, 09:06 PM
Damn it I'm gonna make you a jumper relay just because I despise looking at wires like that. Grumbles on way to fridge, then garage....
I solder better when I'm drinkin.
attack eagle
11-10-2007, 09:13 PM
LOL... I don't feel like hacking the Orange one. This is just so I can test what happens when I unplug the trans computer. I will probably bypass it under the box when I do it permanently. then I can leave the Orange one in but it will do nothing.
BTW... I really Love this camera... and my new "100w" fluorescent bulbs in the garage (walmart-3 for $5)
attack eagle
11-11-2007, 12:03 AM
done. The Black w/ yellow stripe wires are pretty heavy wiring, so I connected them under the relay. now the relay is there for show only.
I also pulled the TCU out, but still had to get rid of the trans program message.
However, on the positive side, the shift indicator light now self-extinguishes after about 10 -15 seconds. It jsut says "[S] [ ]" to remind you it's a sports wagon until then... :)
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