sedan vs coupe performance

[therichsta]

alright, time to pop the big question.
sedan vs coupe?
performance differences?

[pkadhr]

Short answer - none. It can be argued all day long in the threads, but there's more performance difference between any two M3's with different tires than between coupes and sedans.

[DADx2]

As pkadhr said, none.

Welcome to BF.c, and I found the following links for you by searching "sedan".

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755126&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755126&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447537&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447537&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424399&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424399&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409082&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409082&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362298&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362298&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247958&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247958&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246504&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246504&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184632&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184632&highlight=sedan)


Don't forget to stop by the "Georgia" forum in the "Southeastern" subsection. Very active BF.c local forum.

[Russ[]]

Everyone says the sedan's frame is more ridged.

[therichsta]

As pkadhr said, none.

Welcome to BF.c, and I found the following links for you by searching "sedan".

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755126&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755126&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447537&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447537&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424399&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424399&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409082&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409082&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362298&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362298&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247958&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247958&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246504&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246504&highlight=sedan)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184632&highlight=sedan (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184632&highlight=sedan)


Don't forget to stop by the "Georgia" forum in the "Southeastern" subsection. Very active BF.c local forum.
thanks for the links m8!

[speedysilver]

I currently have a coupe but had a sedan same year (97) no difference in performance that I actually can significantly say...M3/4 just has more doors;)

[epj3]

The sedan comes with magical little invisible women that clean the inside of the car and do your laundry.

[pbclax423]

coupe = better for sexy time. push them seats up and you got plenty of room :)... o thats not the kind of performance you meant.

[therichsta]

coupe = better for sexy time. push them seats up and you got plenty of room :)... o thats not the kind of performance you meant.


LOL thanks for the tip ;)

[therichsta]

The sedan comes with magical little invisible women that clean the inside of the car and do your laundry.

lol so does that mean i should be saving up for my engagement ring first? haha

[D Unit]

Generally, the main difference is the mentality of the owners. Coupe owners know their rides are hot, whereas, Sedan owners constantly feel the need to explain or defend why their cars have 4 doors. Because Sedan owners deal with this insecurity problem daily, they have dedicated a special group to cope with their issues. I think it's called the M3/4 Club or something like that...

[rick'sm3]

coupe = better for sexy time. push them seats up and you got plenty of room :)... o thats not the kind of performance you meant.
haha agreed, that's the main performance difference

[Thrizzle]

The sedan comes with magical little invisible women that clean the inside of the car and do your laundry.
Haha, thats absolutely true!! and thats not all they do:D They're both awesome!(the coupe and sedan that is!)

[dcroghan]

Generally, the main difference is the mentality of the owners. Coupe owners know their rides are hot, whereas, Sedan owners constantly feel the need to explain or defend why their cars have 4 doors. Because Sedan owners deal with this insecurity problem daily, they have dedicated a special group to cope with their issues. I think it's called the M3/4 Club or something like that...

haha, agreesd. I used to have a 4 door and I agree that the only real difference is the number of doors. I just happened to be sick of driving all my friends around and I think the coue looks way better IMO.

[epj3]

Generally, the main difference is the mentality of the owners. Coupe owners know their rides are hot, whereas, Sedan owners constantly feel the need to explain or defend why their cars have 4 doors. Because Sedan owners deal with this insecurity problem daily, they have dedicated a special group to cope with their issues. I think it's called the M3/4 Club or something like that...

I have absolutely no insecurity about it. I'd much rather have 4 windows to open than 2. Just a personal preference.

[epj3]

haha, agreesd. I used to have a 4 door and I agree that the only real difference is the number of doors. I just happened to be sick of driving all my friends around and I think the coue looks way better IMO.

I find people generally don't like twisty roads as much as I do, so they learn to drive separately.:D

[dcroghan]

I have absolutely no insecurity about it. I'd much rather have 4 windows to open than 2. Just a personal preference.

I am the opposite. I used to hate having to open all four windows to get the wind from blasting the side of my face with only two open.

With a coupe, problem solved.. The doors are longer and the wind goes behind me instead of into my ear.

[RotaryBzzz]

Generally, the main difference is the mentality of the owners. Coupe owners know their rides are hot, whereas, Sedan owners constantly feel the need to explain or defend why their cars have 4 doors. Because Sedan owners deal with this insecurity problem daily, they have dedicated a special group to cope with their issues. I think it's called the M3/4 Club or something like that...

Saved for posterity. :D

[pbclax423]

yea, coupes are better for deterring those who mooch rides all the time. having to crawl in the back seat and then back out isnt too fun... expecially since my seat does not move in my coupe so everyone gets in on the passenger side.

We have 4 windows too... except the back ones are puny and mechanical, not electric.

[johnf]

Some swing out windows are electric.

[pbclax423]

on e36 coupes? i thought that feautre was e46 exclusive?

[M3BimmerBilly]

alright, time to pop the big question.
sedan vs coupe?
performance differences?


coupe will go mach 3
Sedan only goes mach 2.5

[HBpredhunter]

Generally, the main difference is the mentality of the owners. Coupe owners know their rides are hot, whereas, Sedan owners constantly feel the need to explain or defend why their cars have 4 doors. Because Sedan owners deal with this insecurity problem daily, they have dedicated a special group to cope with their issues. I think it's called the M3/4 Club or something like that...

qoute of the year! :lol

[coldblooded 328]

Generally, the main difference is the mentality of the owners. Coupe owners know their rides are hot, whereas, Sedan owners constantly feel the need to explain or defend why their cars have 4 doors. Because Sedan owners deal with this insecurity problem daily, they have dedicated a special group to cope with their issues. I think it's called the M3/4 Club or something like that...
true story

[milKt]

I have absolutely no insecurity about it. I'd much rather have 4 windows to open than 2. Just a personal preference.

That's funny...
I can open all four windows on my coupe too.
:)

[RamGoat]

i think sedans are WAY sexier...i can pack 4 chicks in mine...! 4

[johnf]

on e36 coupes? i thought that feautre was e46 exclusive?It was a factory option on the e36/2s and was/is(?) available as a retrofit kit. I posted and emailed the retrofit part numbers about 11 years ago and have been watching them resurface often and on ever since. :)

[pbclax423]

It was a factory option on the e36/2s and was/is(?) available as a retrofit kit. I posted and emailed the retrofit part numbers about 11 years ago and have been watching them resurface often and on ever since. :)

sweet... but your in germany... im in the us... i dont see it ever... i actually have never seen an e36 with motorized rear fly windows.

[epj3]

This thread is a perfect example of typical e36 owners. Thinking their cars are the best out there, including cars that are 90% identical and being sure to let everyone know. No really, thanks for reinforcing the stereotype!

2 doors or 4 doors, they share the same under-engineered chassis and disappointing drivetrain.

[iateyourcheese]

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2 doors or 4 doors, they share the same under-engineered chassis and disappointing drivetrain.

The e36 chassis appeared in 1990, which means most of the development work was done nearly 20 years ago. Is it really under-engineered, or just old?

Caveat: the subframe tearing issues on the Z3's is clearly underengineering.

[Volf]

The e36 chassis appeared in 1990, which means most of the development work was done nearly 20 years ago. Is it really under-engineered, or just old?


:werd:

[RotaryBzzz]

This thread is a perfect example of typical e36 owners. Thinking their cars are the best out there, including cars that are 90% identical and being sure to let everyone know. No really, thanks for reinforcing the stereotype!

2 doors or 4 doors, they share the same under-engineered chassis and disappointing drivetrain.

If I'm not mistaken, the e36 chassis was the first that BMW created with the aid of computer-aided CAD design. The design was the 'first evar' using a new step-saving technology. Or something like that.

Hence the cost-saving-with-less-metal fiasco that many e36 (and e46) owners have come to know.
We aren't underengineered....we are engineered 'just right' which is, sadly, the lowly stepbrother of overengineered.

[johnf]

sweet... but your in germany... im in the us... i dont see it ever... i actually have never seen an e36 with motorized rear fly windows.Well, that means you can be the first kid on the block with a pair. :) They don't get much notice here. Most of the M3s I have seen have had them.

[Veedubbvr6]

sweet... but your in germany... im in the us... i dont see it ever... i actually have never seen an e36 with motorized rear fly windows.

There's someone on here that posted theirs in the "rare parts" thread about a month or so ago. Do a search, I'm sure you'll pull it up. I think he actually posted a video link of it in action too, IIRC...

[epj3]

The e36 chassis appeared in 1990, which means most of the development work was done nearly 20 years ago. Is it really under-engineered, or just old?

Caveat: the subframe tearing issues on the Z3's is clearly underengineering.

The cars before the E36 were built much better than the e36, therefore it is not age. It is under engineered - it's the first cars BMW built using computers to tell them how strong certain area's have to be. Before that, they just reinforced the heck out of everything. The subframe tearing issue is an E36 issue, not just a Z3 issue.


You never heard of subframes or rear shock towers ripping out of an E30 now do you? Dif bolts snapping? :lol What an embarrassing problem.

RotaryBzzz when parts start RIPPING OUT of metal on street cars running stock bushings due to fatigue, that is as clear a sign as you can get that the car was not designed well.

[MattE30]

You never heard of subframes ripping out of an E30 now do you?

Mine sure did :shifty

[JeffsE36M3]

You never heard of subframes or rear shock towers ripping out of an E30 now do you?


What to bet? Definitely a problem with the E30 M3. Ask me how I know.

[GotBHP?]

The cars before the E36 were built much better than the e36, therefore it is not age. It is under engineered - it's the first cars BMW built using computers to tell them how strong certain area's have to be. Before that, they just reinforced the heck out of everything. The subframe tearing issue is an E36 issue, not just a Z3 issue.


You never heard of subframes or rear shock towers ripping out of an E30 now do you? Dif bolts snapping? :lol What an embarrassing problem.

RotaryBzzz when parts start RIPPING OUT of metal on street cars running stock bushings due to fatigue, that is as clear a sign as you can get that the car was not designed well.

"Over engineering" something means your final product will be heavy, exspensive and slow (in the case of cars, or planes etc). Please dont confuse a good design and "reinforcing the heck out of everything".

Sure e36's have their problems, but name some cars that have been 100% problem free...

[Mr.M]

The cars before the E36 were built much better than the e36, therefore it is not age. It is under engineered - it's the first cars BMW built using computers to tell them how strong certain area's have to be. Before that, they just reinforced the heck out of everything. The subframe tearing issue is an E36 issue, not just a Z3 issue.

That's not true at all. While I agree the safety factors are higher on the E30, they didn't just "reinforce everything," they just used more analytic models and more testing. The car's aren't over engineered though. It was a typical BMW mistake. BMW culture is a big fan of numerical methods, and when they first introduce them, they tend to switch too quickly or not put enough margin on their models. This is true of their F1 team as much as it is their standard design offices.

[epj3]

"Over engineering" something means your final product will be heavy, exspensive and slow (in the case of cars, or planes etc). Please dont confuse a good design and "reinforcing the heck out of everything".

Sure e36's have their problems, but name some cars that have been 100% problem free...

You know the really funny thing is, if someone posted a thread talking about a Pontiac model whose rear end ripped out of the chassis, the comments would all be "shitty build quality!" or "typical for a american __________" or "the engineering sucks!"

But no, the e36 is a BMW. BMW is magical aparently, and it's a perfectly acceptable problem.

MattE30 - the thing is, it's not as typical a problem on an E30. You NEVER hear about a bone stock E30's subframe falling out of the car except in an extenuating circumstance.

[Volf]

You know the really funny thing is, if someone posted a thread talking about a Pontiac model whose rear end ripped out of the chassis, the comments would all be "shitty build quality!" or "typical for a american __________" or "the engineering sucks!"

But no, the e36 is a BMW. BMW is magical aparently, and it's a perfectly acceptable problem.

MattE30 - the thing is, it's not as typical a problem on an E30. You NEVER hear about a bone stock E30's subframe falling out of the car except in an extenuating circumstance.


So when is your M3 gonna be for sale then? Wouldn't want you driving around in german engineered shit much longer. And you certainly can't be happy that it was dubbed the best handling car at any price in its prime. Sounds like under engineered german garbage to me.

Hell, I'm gonna go post mine for sale too.

[GotBHP?]

You know the really funny thing is, if someone posted a thread talking about a Pontiac model whose rear end ripped out of the chassis, the comments would all be "shitty build quality!" or "typical for a american __________" or "the engineering sucks!"

But no, the e36 is a BMW. BMW is magical aparently, and it's a perfectly acceptable problem.

MattE30 - the thing is, it's not as typical a problem on an E30. You NEVER hear about a bone stock E30's subframe falling out of the car except in an extenuating circumstance.

I agree, but its not unique to BMW owners by any means. If you want to see a real fanatical/insecure response to critisim, go to the e46 M3 section and mention that the 335i is faster/better than their beloved M's.

[epj3]

So when is your M3 gonna be for sale then? Wouldn't want you driving around in german engineered shit much longer. And you certainly can't be happy that it was dubbed the best handling car at any price in its prime. Sounds like under engineered german garbage to me.

Hell, I'm gonna go post mine for sale too.

Yes, because that's exactly what I'm saying. Good job interpreting my posts like a total noob.

[epj3]

I agree, but its not unique to BMW owners by any means. If you want to see a real fanatical/insecure response to critisim, go to the e46 M3 section and mention that the 335i is faster/better than their beloved M's.

Oh I know -- I'm not saying the e36 is a terrible car, but I get sick and tired of people acting like the e36 (especially the US M3, which is nothing more than a phallic symbol) is a godsend to all things BMW - when it's VERY far from it.

[GotBHP?]

.

Hell, I'm gonna go post mine for sale too.

You should, and buy a manual ;)

[epj3]

You should, and buy a manual ;)

:D Exactly

[milKt]

You should, and buy a manual ;)

THATS GOTTA HURT.