best tires

[Mpowered95]

what are everyones opinions on tires? im about to buy 4 new ones and im lookin for the best life and performance. lets hear it

[jgrotkier]

Falken Azenis here.

You can't have life and performance. Pick one.

[erobinson]

I had Azenis and thought they were pretty good, and they were I suppose for the money. However, they wear quickly (I got about 25K out of them I think).

I recently put on Goodyear GS-D3's (so-called supercar tires, that's how my friend referred to them anyways). These are pretty expensive, but the grip is amazing for a street tire. They also have a large amount of tread on them, plus they look amazing as a bonus.

[Stück]

If you got 25,000mi on a set of performance tires and you call that quick wear.... boy I'd hate to see you after you get 10-12k on a GOOD set of street tires.

Goodyear GS-D3's are decent tires at best, by no means "super car" tires. Grip is OK, far from amazing IMO.


I run Toyo T1-R tires on my M3. I've got about 8,000miles on them, and ~7hours of on track full blown abuse. Still have over 1/2 tread left on them and they are wearing very even. They perform spectacularly at the track, predictable, vocal, and never greasy. Rain performance is very very good, exceeded in my experience only by Bridgestones SO-3 by a small margin if any.

[llegos]

If you got 25,000mi on a set of performance tires and you call that quick wear.... boy I'd hate to see you after you get 10-12k on a GOOD set of street tires.

Goodyear GS-D3's are decent tires at best, by no means "super car" tires. Grip is OK, far from amazing IMO.


I run Toyo T1-R tires on my M3. I've got about 8,000miles on them, and ~7hours of on track full blown abuse. Still have over 1/2 tread left on them and they are wearing very even. They perform spectacularly at the track, predictable, vocal, and never greasy. Rain performance is very very good, exceeded in my experience only by Bridgestones SO-3 by a small margin if any.

My dad has those on his E39 540 and they are definatly excellent. However, I love my michelin PS2's. Dry grip is amazing, wet grip is meh(but who cares, it rains very little here) I have heard both good and bad about the wear so we will see as time progresses.

[Tank0001]

I just recently got the Yokohama AVS 100 and i love them. . great grip and a decent tread rating. And at a reasonable price as well. check them out . .

[Estrl M3]

PS2's

[m0digital]

PS2's!

But I currently run Dunlop SP Sport Maxx. A little cheaper but still a great tire!

[Stück]

I just recently got the Yokohama AVS 100 and i love them. . great grip and a decent tread rating. And at a reasonable price as well. check them out . .Horrible tires, mid range under performer at best. Not suitable to track use or street abuse. Daily driver with sorted canyon runs would be the extent I would ever use those for again.

On my mothers 95 M3 I went from BALD SO-3's to new ES100's in the same size. The reduction of grip was horrid. 90% of the readily available user reviews you can find online are from people running 1.6-1.8L engines. What does that tell you?

[Tank0001]

Horrible tires, mid range under performer at best. Not suitable to track use or street abuse. Daily driver with sorted canyon runs would be the extent I would ever use those for again.

On my mothers 95 M3 I went from BALD SO-3's to new ES100's in the same size. The reduction of grip was horrid. 90% of the readily available user reviews you can find online are from people running 1.6-1.8L engines. What does that tell you?



IDK i have had really good luck with them . . . .

[MRMARSH]

ps2's ftl!!!

[llegos]

ps2's ftl!!!

how so?

[MRMARSH]

how so?
they dont like to grip with my setup:stickoutt

[yod88]

michelin pilot ps2s for summer
michelin alpin pa2's for winter

[entropy]

i've been happy with my yokohama avs sport's. stock size.

[M3Alpine99]

If you got 25,000mi on a set of performance tires and you call that quick wear.... boy I'd hate to see you after you get 10-12k on a GOOD set of street tires.

Goodyear GS-D3's are decent tires at best, by no means "super car" tires. Grip is OK, far from amazing IMO.


I run Toyo T1-R tires on my M3. I've got about 8,000miles on them, and ~7hours of on track full blown abuse. Still have over 1/2 tread left on them and they are wearing very even. They perform spectacularly at the track, predictable, vocal, and never greasy. Rain performance is very very good, exceeded in my experience only by Bridgestones SO-3 by a small margin if any.

Interesting. I have a different opinion of the SO-3. It is junk. Garbage. :)

T1R I have not tried...

PS2 is the best tire, I don't know what your budget is but the Kumho MX is a harder compound and should last a bit longer.


Horrible tires, mid range under performer at best. Not suitable to track use or street abuse. Daily driver with sorted canyon runs would be the extent I would ever use those for again.

On my mothers 95 M3 I went from BALD SO-3's to new ES100's in the same size. The reduction of grip was horrid. 90% of the readily available user reviews you can find online are from people running 1.6-1.8L engines. What does that tell you?

OH SWEET!!!!! So the stupid ricers/street racing crowd that doesn't know how to drive and thinks that an es100 is an expensive tire says they are bad? I have feeling from your SO-3 love and hatred of the es100 is you are not the best person to be making this assumption.

I had es100s as street tires for 10,000 miles. I retired them for my track tires and replaced my street tires with Kumho MX(could not quite splurge for the PS2s) and this July will be my 2nd track event on them. Grip is good, they do get a bit greasy on the track when it is extremely hot however I would horrible say they are better than BALD SO-3s. Unless the SO-3 was what you call bald and in reality was at the point just before bald where it has TONS of dry traction.

[Stück]

When I say bald I mean it had a ghosting of treadblocks, and nothing you could catch your nail on.

ES100 are good DD tires. Anyone who thinks they are GOOD performance tires obviously speaks from a lack of experience with real tires. Thats a fact.

[art@rmeuropean]

I am the unfortunate one that got his M3 6-months ago with 4-brand new ES100s. I can't wait for them to wear out! It will probably take a while though, maybe I should go do some burnouts in an empty parking lot.

[Novacaine]

any thoughts or experience with general tire exclaim UHP?

[Bimuh007]

I ended up getting some all season perf. kumbo exsta asx's. Cheap, reliable, and its only for the summer period of time before I go off to college for another 4 or so months. The whole set of tires came up to be $350, but also got a $40 rebate so ended up paying around $310. However, these are currently going on the contours I purchased, and on the style 30s' I have on my car at the immediate time are Michelin Pilot Sport A/S. IMO, I think they are the best but so damn expensive.

[Mike 01Hawk]

I was on Kumho ASXs for my 05 Honda V6 Sedan (on 18s 235/40/18 IIRC) that is now seeing wife duty.

Penny had Kumho ASXs at/near/past wear indicators when I got her on Contours.

I have a new set of ASXs waiting in the garage once I get some other susp stuff worked out so I don't have to align more than once.

All in all I've probably got ~4-5k mile experience between brand new ASXs (On the Honda) vs balding (Currently on M3). They are great for me and my ~50 mile total daily commute.

It'll be interesting to see how the 420 Treadwear plays out

-EDIT.. SUN OF AH!!! That $40 Kumho rebate also applies to DTD.. yet I ordered the f'ers on May 10th, the Rebate didn't start till May 12th.. hmmm.. gonna have to do come begging w/ the CSR tomorrow. DOH!

[s52umass]

BF Goodrich g-force T/A KDW2's....great tire, fairly cheap

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+T%2FA+KDW+2

[trfarchitect]

Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Pole Position
best tire i have ever owned.

[GreenBeem93]

I'm pretty happy with Falken F-452's....for the money, they are a pretty good buy

[Xiphos]

pilot sport ps2's

[milKt]

Pirelli Rosso and System
or PS2's :rolleyes

[M3Alpine99]

When I say bald I mean it had a ghosting of treadblocks, and nothing you could catch your nail on.

ES100 are good DD tires. Anyone who thinks they are GOOD performance tires obviously speaks from a lack of experience with real tires. Thats a fact.

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Good facts you have...

Please Jordan list the tires you have driven HARD on so you have some basis of what you are talking about... Here let me go first.

Pilot Sport PS2
Pilot Sport
ContiSport 1
ContiSpot 2
Michelin MXX3
Yoko ES100
Falken RT615
Hankook RS2
Kumho MX
Bridgestone S03
Goodyear Eagle F1 DSG3(whatever its numbers are)
Pilot Sport A/S
Pilot Alpin 2
Sumitumo HTR
Sumitumo HTRz2


So umm you have a list like this Jordan? When I was in school at UTI I was the assistant Tire Manager at Costco. I not only got tires for cheap but was in a RICH area so we would take off perfectly good(5/32) tires are customer cars and I got to test them at assorted track days/auto-x and spirited driving.

I am not claiming them to be a SWEET AWESOME performance tire but I am going to run them again at the track in July at Road Atlanta and they will provide me with the traction I need because I can scoot around the track just fine with them. Are they as good as the RT615? PS2? RS2? Nope. Are they horrible? Nope.


In this case STFU

[M3Alpine99]

If you got 25,000mi on a set of performance tires and you call that quick wear.... boy I'd hate to see you after you get 10-12k on a GOOD set of street tires.

Goodyear GS-D3's are decent tires at best, by no means "super car" tires. Grip is OK, far from amazing IMO.


I run Toyo T1-R tires on my M3. I've got about 8,000miles on them, and ~7hours of on track full blown abuse. Still have over 1/2 tread left on them and they are wearing very even. They perform spectacularly at the track, predictable, vocal, and never greasy. Rain performance is very very good, exceeded in my experience only by Bridgestones SO-3 by a small margin if any.

The RT615 has UNBELIEVABLE grip. Far more than the Toyo T1r so I don't know exactly what you are trying to say here....

[Stück]

I don't recall mentioning the RT615.

Anyone who does any amount of tracking will laugh at your ES100's. They are "high performance" commuter tires and little more. I'm sorry but I have seen numerous times how poorly they hold up and perform at the track.

[Juwanski]

i have the yokohama es 100 and in my opinion there good enough for most of w/e u would be doing on the street,unless u like too crash your car

[M3Alpine99]

I don't recall mentioning the RT615.

Anyone who does any amount of tracking will laugh at your ES100's. They are "high performance" commuter tires and little more. I'm sorry but I have seen numerous times how poorly they hold up and perform at the track.

ok jordan. Thumbs up to you. I have done more than a reasonable amount of tracking and will admit it is at the bottom of the list for the tires. However it will be perfectly fine.

This is coming from the guy running oversized 18s at track events. Anyone with any amount of tracking will notice your poor choice in wheel/tire package.

[JaredM3]

i have the yokohama es 100 and in my opinion there good enough for most of w/e u would be doing on the street,unless u like too crash your car

I second that one, I really dont see the point in dropping almost 200 bucks a rubber on something that is stayin on the street...if you track then cool...but i have had es100 rubbers on a few cars and they are great, more then enough grip for any ramp you want to take fast, and the stopping is great also. If your looking to spend about half of the cash you have on tires there isnt any reason not to buy a yoko.

AGAIN so i dont get flamed here, this is for street driving only. This isnt the only tire i have ever run, and i wouldnt rip on this tire so bad, for the price there is nothing wrong with it, also i liked what dunlop has for entry price rubber too.

[89Bimmer89]

Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Pole Position
best tire i have ever owned.

+1 These tires are the best.

[gilly]

Spend the extra $125-$150 and get PS2's! I have put around 20k and a track event on them and they are still showing plenty of tread. Just make sure you have a good alignment :stickoutt

SO3's and SO2's are very good too if you can find them.

[ToneCapone]

1.Yoko Advan Neovas (the best, if price no factor)
2.Bridgestone RE050A PP (good price vs. performance)
3.Hankook Ventus RS2 (the best, if price is a factor)
4.Falken Azenis RT615 (good tire, doesnt come in 245/40/17)

[mobil1]

Best tires I've ever owned: Toyo T1R's. Best dry/wet performance tire I've had experience with.

[DR. Dre]

MY eye doctor has an Dinan m5 and has driven the current Dinan M5. He advised me that Steve Dinan told him that if you're not running R compound then the Advan Neovas are the best street tires.

[savage217]

I cant speak for a lot of tires but I am loving my ps2's. Incredible grip, and tread is wearing great. Ive had them for about 1k+ miles now and they still look the same as the day I got them used. Not sure what If I can afford them all the time but definately a good tire.

[erobinson]

Goodyear GS-D3's are decent tires at best, by no means "super car" tires. Grip is OK, far from amazing IMO..

Have you personally had Eagle F1's on your car? I didn't say it was a supercar tire, just that was their nickname because a few supercars run them.

[erobinson]

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Good facts you have...

Please Jordan list the tires you have driven HARD on so you have some basis of what you are talking about... Here let me go first.

Pilot Sport PS2
Pilot Sport
ContiSport 1
ContiSpot 2
Michelin MXX3
Yoko ES100
Falken RT615
Hankook RS2
Kumho MX
Bridgestone S03
Goodyear Eagle F1 DSG3(whatever its numbers are)
Pilot Sport A/S
Pilot Alpin 2
Sumitumo HTR
Sumitumo HTRz2

What is your experience with the Goodyear F1's?

[Nova1]

I had a really positive experience with the Pilot Sport A/S. It's not a worthy track tire, but a great street and all around tire. Good seasonal use and great treadlife.

I was short on cash and replaced them with Kumho MX's. Sadly, they haven't seen the track and I think are just overkill for the street.

[Matt P.]

ok jordan. Thumbs up to you. I have done more than a reasonable amount of tracking and will admit it is at the bottom of the list for the tires. However it will be perfectly fine.

This is coming from the guy running oversized 18s at track events. Anyone with any amount of tracking will notice your poor choice in wheel/tire package.

not to mention poor choice in suspension

[Dispatch20]

I like my Ps2's a lot better than the ES100's.

[raoke]

Ive read that the yoko neovas are great but they are pricey.

Also on the track section the guys have said the falken rt615's arent too great for the track because of the way they heat, they will get eatten up quick. auto x is another story- they are great in that department.

Quick questions..
Arent the bridgestone re010R good too?
Any words on falken fk452 and kumho mx?

[The Letter M]

Are we all bored enought to have yet another go around in a tire thread?

Ahh, why not.:deadhorse:

I have a set of Pirelli P-Zero Rosso System's on stamped LTW's, a set of PS2's on another set of LTW's & a set of Michelin PS Alpins on Contours for the winter.

I've tried them all at driving events, yup, even the snow tires, (but no snowies on a track day, ewww).

On track days I have used both the P-Zero's & the PS2's, which are very good, but the grip of the PS2's is superior.

I also find, like almost everyone, that a higher pressure is a good thing, but too much is detrimental, so you have to find that balance.

The worst tires I have experienced is just about every tire I've had from Dunlop.

If you plan to abuse your tires on a track, you might want to look for a tread design with big blocks on the outside, but for a daily driver & no track duty, there are many good choices, but again, you need to know that you are getting a good rain tire, if you get rain & drive the car in it, otherwise, it is pretty much about the compound.

Softer = grippy = wears out quickly verses harder = less grippy = last longer.

Lastly, a friend had a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3's, and he swore they were the best, until they started chunking apart from track use...

I was going to buy a set, but not so sure now, could have been his "style" too.

[BoBoUDM//34]

Yes, we are that bored.... Depends on use..... I use the Rt-615 is auto-x form. Not bad... Advans are a touch better...

[GreenBeem93]

Any words on falken fk452 and kumho mx?

I like them. They are pretty cheap and have great tread wear. They are great for the price IMO

[M3Alpine99]

What is your experience with the Goodyear F1's?

I had the same experience as the above poster. They started to "come apart". Not that they were dangerous or something but just did not seem to hold up.

They do have great grip and I am more of a point and shoot so I ask for immediate return for my manuever :)


I like my Ps2's a lot better than the ES100's.

They are a far superior tire


I am taking my "street" tires with me. Kumho MX in 245.40.17 and if the ES100s get totally beaten up or destroyed as I plan on pushing them HARD HARD HARD this event because I know I have an extra brand new set of MX's

Carry on!

[parkpy]

In my tracking experience, I've used:
1) Toyo T1-S (chunky...as in, chunked material when pushed)
2) Kumho Ecsta MX (I love them. A little greasy, but I love them. I love the stiffness of the tire)
3)Hankook Ventus RS2 Z212 (no real track experience. Not much of a difference to the Ecsta MX.

4)Falken Azenis RT-615s. Until something comes out that's better and cheaper, this is my tire of choice for a daily driven car that's occasionally tracked.

I have three sets of tires year round:
Daily: Kumho Ecsta SPT (strictly commuter, akin to a hi-powered, summer-only, all season. Very good for what it is. It's quiet, and it rides nicely. Grip is good enough for daily driving. Squishy side walls. Perfect for daily driving an M3. Comfort and some performance orientation was my criteria. I wanted a tire comparable to a Michelin Pilot XGT V4, and I got it. Treadlife is 320, supposedly good for 20,000-25,000 miles. Maybe.

Winter: Gislaved Nordfrost 5s, studded. I hate snow tires. These are great snow tires. I hate driving in the winter in the M. These make it tolerable. I only get one winter out of winter tires. I drive a LOT.

Track: Falken Azenis RT-615s. Have used them only once so far, plus 300-400 miles. Should last a couple more track days. I love these tires. Makes my suspension (Koni Adjustables, LTW springs) feel inadequate:P

Three tires is always the way to go, unless you don't get snow;)

[///Montizzle]

Anyone had any experience with the Nitto Invo? It's a crazy ass looking tire thats for sure. Im not thinking about getting em, just wanted to know if ppl have used em b/c i heard its a good performing tire

[M3BimmerBilly]

PS2....why do you think 911s come with them from the factory? Nuff said.

Azenis are the best bang for the buck. Tremendous dry grip, nearly R comp.

[PenguinScotty]

I have used the Eagle F1 GS-D3 and the michelin Pilot Sport on a different car before (Eagles on a '89V12 Jag and the Michelin PS2s on a Volvo V70R) and have to say that the PS2s are superior to the Eagle F1.

Not only does the PS2 grip more during hard cornering and acceleration, but the sidewall is also stiffer than the F1s'.

However it is kind of hard to compare these tires on two different cars, really. Especially two cars that are so different.

What i can most definitely say is don't get Matrac Marshal XT's (Apparently a sister company of Kumho or something). Had another nice unintentional 'drift' action around a corner in the rain today :D. I really should replace those...

But in my opinion, Michelin Pilot Sport PS2s.

Cheers!

[y2kcal]

Toyo...
I have had T1-R and T1-S. Awesome.

[Bugatti]

Pirelli PZero Neros. Best wet/dry, longest lasting I've used so far.

[WytLytnyn]

I had the Pirelli PZero Neros and they definitely didn't grip as hard as the PS2's in the wet or dry. Not to mention that I wore them to the cords in 13K miles and the PS2's usually last about 18-20K miles with similar driving on a daily basis.

[jgrotkier]

Pirelli PZero Neros. Best wet/dry, longest lasting I've used so far.

I've driven on Pzero Neros and was not impressed, but I can't speak for longevity since it was only for a few miles.

They are overpriced IMO.

[DD/M]

Mini Review of Yokohama Advan Neova AD07
I just got a set of Yokohama Advan Neova's this saturday and previously had the Michelin Pilot Sports with the stock staggered size. Bought the Advan's in a 235 R 40 17" Front and 245 R 40 17" Rears. Stock DS II's.

Purchased these based on impressions garnered from multiple reviews. I was really happy with the Michelins as they were a good all round tire, especially up here in the Pacific Northwest with all our rain year round. Wore well and got just over 30,000 miles out of them. Rears wore out with the fronts at about 30% left.

Put over 200 miles on the Neova's so far and must say :buttrock. Ride is slightly harder then the Pilots, limited hard driving so far due to having to break them in and getting a few heat cycles in them. Track straight with no tramlining and with the first rain and wet roads found them as good or better then the Pilots. Launching moderately hard off the line found them very sticky with no slip!

Price was obviously not a consideration but performance was! Can't wait until they break in and fully lose the coating/perservatives.

The construction on these tires are incredible! The sidewalls are super stiff and the tread very soft. As a comparison, the Pilots had soft sidewalls compared to these. They have very robust looking sidewalls. They stick out enough to really protect the rim edge. They are slightly wider then the Pilots when placed side by side. They also are a couple of pounds heavier then the Michelins they replaced. People have mentioned that by going to the 235 R 40 17" in the front instead of the stock 225 R 45 17", they noticed less crisp turn in but I found it to be a neglible amount and the added grip more then makes up for it so far! And I have not pushed them real hard yet! Hopefully after an autocross and a track day I will find them to be worth every cent!

Updates in the next few weeks.


My review of the Yokohama's from a while back. Just incredible tire. Turn and it goes.

[Stück]

This is coming from the guy running oversized 18s at track events. Anyone with any amount of tracking will notice your poor choice in wheel/tire package.


not to mention poor choice in suspension

Please do explain how either of these 3 items are poor choices?

Wheels are a cosmetic consideration and little to nothing more on a street car.. which is what my M3 is.

The tires are great in the dry and rain, this is my second set and I would buy another when they run out without a hesitation. They also performed nothing short of fantastically at the track.

The wheel/tire combo I run weighs no more or less then the stock 17x8.5 DS2 with 245/40R17 rubber.

I received positive comments too numerous to list at the last HPDE about my wheels, from event spectators, participants, and instructors.


As for the suspension comment... again this is a daily driver M3. I did the street driven race car suspension on my e30 daily driver with coil overs and solid everything. That just didn't work well for me in the end. I don't want that for this car.

Every single rubber or otherwise wear item in the suspension and drivetrain of this car has been replaced with brand new OEM parts within the last 5k miles. In addition I've installed Koni SA's, GC RTAB Shims, OEM X-Brace, UUC Sway Barbarians, TMS swaybar reinforcements.

The suspension is better then new with no degradation's of ride quality. I will tell you it made my day last track weekend when I late model e46 330 running on 255 Hoosiers all around followed my lead lap after lap.. and when I finally got tired of them being on me and wanted my space... they wouldn't take the pass I gave them.. or the next. The following day the instructor from that car complimented me on my lines, driving, and asked me what tires I was running.. and didn't believe me when I said "just street tires"


Now all that said I would love to swap out the stock springs for something aftermarket to rid the car of the fender gap.... but its not practical around here. I live in redneck shitsville USA and the roads are for the most part non-maintained. The intersection in the middle of town/main street is so bumpy/heavey that I need to slow to less then 5mph and cross a potion of it at an angle.. or I will drag the splitter every single time trying to go straight through.. at any speed. Pretty much any business off the main highway through town has a good 2-5in drop off from the paved highway to their dirt parking lot. The only shop in town capable of aligning my car (has the machines to, and a lift I can actually get on) is now really inaccessible to me. After they repaved the highway I cannot get out of his parking lot. I had to back up/out of the parking lot and onto the highway backwards.... again stock ride height car. The roads around here are a serious issue.. but with 90% of the vehicles around here being some sort of truck or SUV.. no one is motivated to take corrective action.

So if my suspension is a poor choice because I'm not tucking tire all around then seriously... go ahead and think a little harder on that conclusion.



I don't see why every thread where I share educated opinion in a open and direct manner has to turn into an attack against me or my car. Grow the hell up and find some more intelligible ammunition.

[M3Alpine99]

I don't see why every thread where I share educated opinion in a open and direct manner has to turn into an attack against me or my car. Grow the hell up and find some more intelligible ammunition.

You are seriously joking? Right?

Let's review.

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If you got 25,000mi on a set of performance tires and you call that quick wear.... boy I'd hate to see you after you get 10-12k on a GOOD set of street tires.

Goodyear GS-D3's are decent tires at best, by no means "super car" tires. Grip is OK, far from amazing IMO.


I run Toyo T1-R tires on my M3. I've got about 8,000miles on them, and ~7hours of on track full blown abuse. Still have over 1/2 tread left on them and they are wearing very even. They perform spectacularly at the track, predictable, vocal, and never greasy. Rain performance is very very good, exceeded in my experience only by Bridgestones SO-3 by a small margin if any.

You first insult his review that he got 25,000 miles out of performance tires. Then you insult him that his "performance" tire is not a performance tire and want him to understand that you only get 10K on a set of good street tires, which his are not.

You then insult his opinion with your opinion and add "IMO" so you appear to be accepting his opinion.

Then like ALWAYS. You insert what YOU have and explain how it is SUPERIOR.



Horrible tires, mid range under performer at best. Not suitable to track use or street abuse. Daily driver with sorted canyon runs would be the extent I would ever use those for again.

On my mothers 95 M3 I went from BALD SO-3's to new ES100's in the same size. The reduction of grip was horrid. 90% of the readily available user reviews you can find online are from people running 1.6-1.8L engines. What does that tell you?


Oh here we go. Previous poster says he loves them and you insult them. Apparently they are horrible tires and mid range performer at best. Apparently they are not suited to track use or street abuse.

You then claim bald SO-3s have more grip. Then throw in some crappy front drive people who can't drive anyways don't like them and probably at 100 dollars a tire is "expensive". Their opinion is not valid.


When I say bald I mean it had a ghosting of treadblocks, and nothing you could catch your nail on.

ES100 are good DD tires. Anyone who thinks they are GOOD performance tires obviously speaks from a lack of experience with real tires. Thats a fact.


OHHHHHHHHH here the bomb drops. Now you are

1 - Insulting My opinion

2 - Insulting My Knowledge

3 - Insulting My experience

4 - Inserting your opinion as a fact.

All of this is assumed and you don't know ANYTHING about me. Wait why are we here? Oh yah you just inserted your opinion. Have no idea why your post turn into this...


I don't recall mentioning the RT615.

Anyone who does any amount of tracking will laugh at your ES100's. They are "high performance" commuter tires and little more. I'm sorry but I have seen numerous times how poorly they hold up and perform at the track.

Now you are assuming that when I show up with es100s I will be laughed at by the more "experienced" track guys.

That is funny. I am willing to bet my overall track experience, drivers schools, auto-x outweighs yours 10 fold. I would be willing to bet I may be able to scoot my bone stock 89 325i around the track quicker than you can. I might not be faster overall but I can sure as hell stick on your bumper. Do not assume things sir.



Carry on Jordan. Play the martyr and act like you don't bring it on yourself.

[Matt P.]

Please do explain how either of these 3 items are poor choices?

Wheels are a cosmetic consideration and little to nothing more on a street car.. which is what my M3 is.

The tires are great in the dry and rain, this is my second set and I would buy another when they run out without a hesitation. They also performed nothing short of fantastically at the track.

The wheel/tire combo I run weighs no more or less then the stock 17x8.5 DS2 with 245/40R17 rubber.

I received positive comments too numerous to list at the last HPDE about my wheels, from event spectators, participants, and instructors.


As for the suspension comment... again this is a daily driver M3. I did the street driven race car suspension on my e30 daily driver with coil overs and solid everything. That just didn't work well for me in the end. I don't want that for this car.

Every single rubber or otherwise wear item in the suspension and drivetrain of this car has been replaced with brand new OEM parts within the last 5k miles. In addition I've installed Koni SA's, GC RTAB Shims, OEM X-Brace, UUC Sway Barbarians, TMS swaybar reinforcements.

The suspension is better then new with no degradation's of ride quality. I will tell you it made my day last track weekend when I late model e46 330 running on 255 Hoosiers all around followed my lead lap after lap.. and when I finally got tired of them being on me and wanted my space... they wouldn't take the pass I gave them.. or the next. The following day the instructor from that car complimented me on my lines, driving, and asked me what tires I was running.. and didn't believe me when I said "just street tires"


Now all that said I would love to swap out the stock springs for something aftermarket to rid the car of the fender gap.... but its not practical around here. I live in redneck shitsville USA and the roads are for the most part non-maintained. The intersection in the middle of town/main street is so bumpy/heavey that I need to slow to less then 5mph and cross a potion of it at an angle.. or I will drag the splitter every single time trying to go straight through.. at any speed. Pretty much any business off the main highway through town has a good 2-5in drop off from the paved highway to their dirt parking lot. The only shop in town capable of aligning my car (has the machines to, and a lift I can actually get on) is now really inaccessible to me. After they repaved the highway I cannot get out of his parking lot. I had to back up/out of the parking lot and onto the highway backwards.... again stock ride height car. The roads around here are a serious issue.. but with 90% of the vehicles around here being some sort of truck or SUV.. no one is motivated to take corrective action.

So if my suspension is a poor choice because I'm not tucking tire all around then seriously... go ahead and think a little harder on that conclusion.



I don't see why every thread where I share educated opinion in a open and direct manner has to turn into an attack against me or my car. Grow the hell up and find some more intelligible ammunition.


Nobody is attacking you (at least I'm not). I'm just saying there's way better suspension out there.

I understand your rationalizing behind stock springs/struts now and if you like them then all the power to you; but on the same level a set of coilovers with adjustable dampers could put you at stock ride height and comfortable rebound on the street, and lower ride height with stiffer rebound for the track... Something to consider?


ps, don't act all butthurt when someone challenges your views.

[Stück]

Boy the 2 above posts make a shit-pile of assumptions and state them as fact, mis read, and misrepresent. I'll leave it at that because itemizing and replying would be an enormous waste of time...

[M3Alpine99]

Boy the 2 above posts make a shit-pile of assumptions and state them as fact, mis read, and misrepresent. I'll leave it at that because itemizing and replying would be an enormous waste of time...

There we go again.

Play the martyr.

Everything I said was true. You made assumptions about me and then get butt hurt when I call you out on them.

[gerry_miranda]

PS2, just because the RT-615 are 4lbs heavier on the same size.

[redefinedM3]

Boy the 2 above posts make a shit-pile of assumptions and state them as fact, mis read, and misrepresent. I'll leave it at that because itemizing and replying would be an enormous waste of time...

as is that post - a waste of time - go polish a stock midsection or something

[jgrotkier]

PS2, just because the RT-615 are 4lbs heavier on the same size.

Wow, I didn't realize they were that much heavier.

Too bad they make your wallet equally lighter.

[Stephen V]

so how are BF Goodrich KDW2s? Considering a set since they have a higher treadwear rating than my Kumho Ecstas, but still a higher dry grip rating.

[M3Alpine99]

ask redefined...

he has them.

[redefinedM3]

so how are BF Goodrich KDW2s? Considering a set since they have a higher treadwear rating than my Kumho Ecstas, but still a higher dry grip rating.

I had them on my 18's and honestly never drove the car that hard with them on. I do live around some pretty windy roads and drove "spirited" without any issues in dry or wet. Maybe someone else has some track experience with them?

[Stück]

There we go again.

Play the martyr.

Everything I said was true. You made assumptions about me and then get butt hurt when I call you out on them.Again.. this is just about attacks for you. You completely do not approach the topical information provided opting to launch more inflammatory posts instead.

[raoke]

as is that post - a waste of time - go polish a stock midsection or something

oh man.. i like his car but god damn that was funny... hahah



anyways check this link out guys its for a good track & dd tire
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=593510

IIRC the rt615 heat up weird for long track runs and chunk.
the tread life isnt as high as others, but price is decent.

[M3Alpine99]

Again.. this is just about attacks for you. You completely do not approach the topical information provided opting to launch more inflammatory posts instead.

Dude get off this forum.

What are you crying about?

What did I post and quote you and reply to that was not true? You attacked my personal ability and my skill level and my opinion.

Again....


Jordan the Martyr. Play it like that everyone just attacks you even though the thread is filled with you attacking peoples opinions and saying things like "You think a performance tire gets 25,000 miles" "My tire gets X Miles and is the BEST"

Get Over Yourself. I could careless if your car is cleaner. I could careless if you think you have more knowledge. I could certainly careless how much you sold your e30 for and how you have all this ultimate knowledge. You put yourself on this pedestal and expect people to just repsect your opinion because you are Jordan. Bring your super clean e36 M3 over here to GA so you can put your money where you mouth is.

My es100 equipped dirty M3 verse your Super Duper T1Rs. I mean hell. I am on commuter tires and you are on MAX performance summer tires.

Grow Up Kid.

[redefinedM3]

I'll race you both you guys have nothing on me. Pedestals or not, dirty m3's or not you will feel the wrath at the track









I'll be on this - Plastic tires > Rubber compound

http://www.mrtoys.com/big-wheels/pics/16-Inch-Big-Wheel-Tricycle.jpg

[Stück]

Dude get off this forum.

What are you crying about?

What did I post and quote you and reply to that was not true? You attacked my personal ability and my skill level and my opinion.

Again....


Jordan the Martyr. Play it like that everyone just attacks you even though the thread is filled with you attacking peoples opinions and saying things like "You think a performance tire gets 25,000 miles" "My tire gets X Miles and is the BEST"

Get Over Yourself. I could careless if your car is cleaner. I could careless if you think you have more knowledge. I could certainly careless how much you sold your e30 for and how you have all this ultimate knowledge. You put yourself on this pedestal and expect people to just repsect your opinion because you are Jordan. Bring your super clean e36 M3 over here to GA so you can put your money where you mouth is.

My es100 equipped dirty M3 verse your Super Duper T1Rs. I mean hell. I am on commuter tires and you are on MAX performance summer tires.

Grow Up Kid.

I hate to stoop down to name calling....

But you are, infact, being a moron.

Say what you will, it hardly makes it true.. and its still not worth my while to itemize and own one by one.

[M3Alpine99]

I hate to stoop down to name calling....

But you are, infact, being a moron.

Say what you will, it hardly makes it true.. and its still not worth my while to itemize and own one by one.

Ok Martyr.

[Stück]

Wow.. I called that reply hours ago.

[M3Alpine99]

Wow.. I called that reply hours ago.

Wow... hahhahahaha

Don't have a real reply to anything I said to you so you come back here to be a Martyr again?


I hate to stoop down to name calling....

But you are, infact, being a moron.

Say what you will, it hardly makes it true.. and its still not worth my while to itemize and own one by one.

So then can we say the same to you? Just because you say it hardly makes it true.

You started name calling way earlier in the thread and insulted members because they have differing opinions... We also was able to find out that in an amazing turn of events. The product that you had(Tires in this case) are the best. It was way out of left field.

[Bimuh007]

I have Kumho Ecsta's (2 front) and Continental ContiSport (2 rear) on my staggered contours. However, I still love the Michelin Pilot Sports I have on my style 30's. In the end, my pick; Michelins.

[Young Version]

Potenza RE01Rs are fantastic tires.

[Matt P.]

Boy the 2 above posts make a shit-pile of assumptions and state them as fact, mis read, and misrepresent. I'll leave it at that because itemizing and replying would be an enormous waste of time...

how the hell am I making assumptions and stating them as fact? how am I misreading and misrepresenting things?



Dude your posts just get more and more irritating. Congratulations, you're the first person in 7 years of forum usage that I'm going to put on my ignore list you annoying disagreeable miserable little man.


ps, your E30 looked like a piece of crap and that chick you got to pose on it was a lard ass.

[Stück]

Dude your posts just get more and more irritating. Congratulations, you're the first person in 7 years of forum usage that I'm going to put on my ignore list you annoying disagreeable miserable little man.


ps, your E30 looked like a piece of crap and that chick you got to pose on it was a lard ass.
I wasn't even really talking to you. But again... its what you read not how reality reflects on it... so... poor little you have to use the ignore list... :lol

Go ahead and attack my e30. It still sold for wayyy more what you M3 is worth...

[Jim@tirerack]

It would really depend on what you are looking for out of the tire and how much you want to spend on the tire. Bang for the buck in the testing that we have done I do like the Kumho MX. Euro Tuner magazine gave them the highest rating on a skid pad test they did. The tow best extreme performance tires out right now are the Bridgestone RE01R and the Yokohama Advan Neova. If you are looking for the best these are the ones to go with.

For a combination of wet and dry I like the Bridgestone RE050A Pole Position and the Michelin PS2. The Bridgestone is better in the wet and the Pilot a little better in the dry.

If I can help let me know.

[M3Alpine99]

I wasn't even really talking to you. But again... its what you read not how reality reflects on it... so... poor little you have to use the ignore list... :lol

Go ahead and attack my e30. It still sold for wayyy more what you M3 is worth...

I would not have put its worth where it sold for. M20 powered e30 is not worth that in my eyes. An e30 M3 yes. A 325i. No.

Your add sure did make it out to be worth that. But all the power to you for selling it for that price.


The funny thing about it is that you keep playing this game like you don't know why your post turn into this. I think you are just too dense and have yourself too far up your own ass to realize that the common occurance in all your post that turn into this is YOU. Maybe you should reread what you are saying and seeing how people reply to it and realize it is YOU.


"What tire is the best for the e36 m3"

Jordan Reply:

"You think the "Brand X" tire is good? Shows how much you know. I use the "Brand B" and it has superior grip level. Anyone that thinks different obviously doesn't have the experience."



Now that is how you reply? Why don't you just state your opinion. Insulting someone else while inserting your opinion does not mean you are just "giving your opinion". You always give your opinion ALONG WITH how the person is wrong and whatever you have done is better.

Get your pedestal that you have placed yourself on.

[Jim@tirerack]

Guys, play nice so I don't have to delete the post.

[M3Alpine99]

It would really depend on what you are looking for out of the tire and how much you want to spend on the tire. Bang for the buck in the testing that we have done I do like the Kumho MX. Euro Tuner magazine gave them the highest rating on a skid pad test they did. The tow best extreme performance tires out right now are the Bridgestone RE01R and the Yokohama Advan Neova. If you are looking for the best these are the ones to go with.

For a combination of wet and dry I like the Bridgestone RE050A Pole Position and the Michelin PS2. The Bridgestone is better in the wet and the Pilot a little better in the dry.

If I can help let me know.

Thanks Jim! Love the MX's you "sold" me :)

[Mpowered95]

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/tires/hanhh1.s.jpg (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?mk=&yr=1995&cs=235&pc=11543&vid=001909&rd=17&ar=40) <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="185"><tbody><tr> <td class="textTighter" valign="top" width="185"> Hankook (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?mk=&yr=1995&cs=235&pc=11543&vid=001909&rd=17&ar=40) </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="textTighter" valign="top" width="185"> Ventus HRII H405 (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?mk=&yr=1995&cs=235&pc=11543&vid=001909&rd=17&ar=40)</td></tr></tbody></table>??????? they r 350 shipped and im jus lookin for a nice daily drive, i wont be tracking the car until next summer or later this summer

[Mpowered95]

thanks for all your help alpine!!! nice bimmers by the way, that picture is sick

[M3Alpine99]

thanks for all your help alpine!!! nice bimmers by the way, that picture is sick

hahahha thank you

I do my best!

[mikea128]

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/tires/hanhh1.s.jpg (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?mk=&yr=1995&cs=235&pc=11543&vid=001909&rd=17&ar=40) <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="185"><tbody><tr> <td class="textTighter" valign="top" width="185"> Hankook (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?mk=&yr=1995&cs=235&pc=11543&vid=001909&rd=17&ar=40) </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="textTighter" valign="top" width="185"> Ventus HRII H405 (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?mk=&yr=1995&cs=235&pc=11543&vid=001909&rd=17&ar=40)</td></tr></tbody></table>??????? they r 350 shipped and im jus lookin for a nice daily drive, i wont be tracking the car until next summer or later this summer

H-rated? uhhh seems like it's not exactly appropriate for our car, although if you want tread life, that's probably the way to go. but be prepared to give up a lot of grip and definitely don't track them. if you want Hankook's in the same price range, get the Ventus K104, although it probably won't last nearly as long as their H-rated stuff. At least it's a real UHP summer tire and could probably survive a track event.

BTW - if anyone has comments on the K104, I'd lvoe to hear them as well - they look like PS1 clones!

[mikea128]

Also, M3Alpine99 - i've noticed that you seem to be in an argument with someone in just about every thread I read that contains your posts. Why is it that you can't accept other people's opinions or have a mature debate on anything?

Sorry, but I just couldn't take it any more. I won't be baited into arguing with you too, so that's all I have to say on the subject. I fully expect that you will attack all my future posts however.

[M3Alpine99]

H-rated? uhhh seems like it's not exactly appropriate for our car, although if you want tread life, that's probably the way to go. but be prepared to give up a lot of grip and definitely don't track them. if you want Hankook's in the same price range, get the Ventus K104, although it probably won't last nearly as long as their H-rated stuff. At least it's a real UHP summer tire and could probably survive a track event.

BTW - if anyone has comments on the K104, I'd lvoe to hear them as well - they look like PS1 clones!

Agreed. I would stay away from the H Rated Items :)

K104s have decent dry traction. Nothing to get too excited about. Wet traction is SCARY... extremely scary. Almost a don't drive in the rain with them. Multiple occasions was following or in the car with my best friend in chicago and got into rain storms and it would slide around corners, hydroplane d everywhere. It was not fun at all. I would stay away.

After the 3rd or 4th we did some massive burnouts and he bought some PS2s.


Also, M3Alpine99 - i've noticed that you seem to be in an argument with someone in just about every thread I read that contains your posts. Why is it that you can't accept other people's opinions or have a mature debate on anything?

Sorry, but I just couldn't take it any more. I won't be baited into arguing with you too, so that's all I have to say on the subject. I fully expect that you will attack all my future posts however.

Yah I guess so. 5,000 post and maybe 50-100 debates means all threads. I guess because I won't listen to internet myths or let someone hack up an OEM muffler and then claim a loss in back pressure but then won't test it to back up his claims makes me a jerk.

I don't attack anyones post unless the post are riddled with "assumptions" and "bimmerforums myths".

[sterile stork]

I am a huge fan of the Bridgeston Potenza RE01R's. While the treadwear isn't supposed to be as high as other tires out there, with the $250-300 I saved going with these over the PS2's I can afford to pick up more tires if need be.

In the dry they are absolutely amazing, relatively quiet (definitely noticable when compared to my old Falkens) and won't stop gripping onto the tarmac. When I approach the breaking point the communication is excellent, I feel confident and in control, although it really isn't until I encounter the wet when I can really break them loose.

I love the Pilot Sport series however I have fallen more in love with the new Potenza's.

[erobinson]

If you got 25,000mi on a set of performance tires and you call that quick wear.... boy I'd hate to see you after you get 10-12k on a GOOD set of street tires.

I just realized after re-reading this thread that I made a type. I meant 15,000 miles, not 25,000.

You still haven't told me if you've personally run the Eagle F1's.

[mikea128]

Agreed. I would stay away from the H Rated Items :)

K104s have decent dry traction. Nothing to get too excited about. Wet traction is SCARY... extremely scary. Almost a don't drive in the rain with them. Multiple occasions was following or in the car with my best friend in chicago and got into rain storms and it would slide around corners, hydroplane d everywhere. It was not fun at all. I would stay away.

After the 3rd or 4th we did some massive burnouts and he bought some PS2s.

thanks for the info. Edge Racing says they're pretty close in performance to the Falken FK-452's and T1-R's, but less "refined."

btw, if anyone DOES want to buy them anyways, the 225/45r17s are relatively hard to find, but they are available on online. for some reason, edgeracing and disount tire don't carry this size in this model.

[M3Alpine99]

thanks for the info. Edge Racing says they're pretty close in performance to the Falken FK-452's and T1-R's, but less "refined."

btw, if anyone DOES want to buy them anyways, the 225/45r17s are relatively hard to find, but they are available on online. for some reason, edgeracing and disount tire don't carry this size in this model.

I don't have a comparison between those directly. They did not allow me any form of confidence in the wet and barely tickled my whistle in the dry...

[Mpowered95]

well if you bothered to look at what i said, you;d see that i said i needed a daily driver tire and i wont be tracking the car until the end of summer or next summer. By then, im sure ill have a proper set of tires worthy for tracking. Right now im just concentrated on mods and my 5 speed swap. thanks though

[M3Alpine99]

well if you bothered to look at what i said, you;d see that i said i needed a daily driver tire and i wont be tracking the car until the end of summer or next summer. By then, im sure ill have a proper set of tires worthy for tracking. Right now im just concentrated on mods and my 5 speed swap. thanks though

What you be fine with:

ES100
Kumho MX - Definitely better but still not killer on price!


Lower Mileage with better grip
Falken RT615
Hankook RS2

I have not had any experience with that H rated Hankook. Personally I would not put H rated on the M3. I am sure nothing ill would come if you decided to do that. It might be the perfect for for you so you can save for the 5 speed swap!!!

[Mpowered95]

ya thats all im doing, i dont wanna be cheap but i got too much other shit to pay for in the time being. i start the change over tomorrow so wish me luck

[jiggerjosh]

Definitely Michelin Pilot sports (2), not good for a lot of miles but probably the best street performance tire around.

[Young Version]

Definitely Michelin Pilot sports (2), not good for a lot of miles but probably the best street performance tire around.

Decent, but far from the best.

Top three are Advan AD07, Potenza RE01R, and Azenis RT615, in that order.