American Muscle?

[dswads34]

So here's how it went down... I was driving on Academy Blvd when a new body style ('05 I think) v6 stang pulled up to me, trying as hard as he could to stare me down through my tinted windows. I was giving my buddy a ride as he hadn't ridden in the car since I got it, so I was more than game to dip into the throttle a bit and see what the car could do, since I've had a few weeks to become confident in my car. We lined up at the next light, and when it turned I slipped the clutch at about 2.5k, squeeled the tires a bit (too much, unfortunately), and took off. He was right next to me, maybe a bit in front due to my misjudging the launch; my first one in this car. I shifted hard into second as I was nearing redline, trying to stay in my power band as I knew he had more ponies under the hood than I did. Shifting into second I chirped the tires and starting pulling on him. By the middle of third I had pulled about a car and a half on him! For the first time really driving my car, as opposed to "breaking it in" since it is new to me, this was a great feeling, let me tell you. FYI, he was driving an auto. Now, this was no v8, but I say we can safely chalk one up for BMW :redspot
Only problem is... now I want to mod it, and I have no cash after the purchase... :(

[sleepy740]

a v6 mustang def isnt american muscle...
but you should have lost...
guess it was a drivers race?
good win none the less

[EuroCar]

it has no feel to it. When u hit the gas the stang just falls on its face. Dont want to drive one again

[saleen342]

it has no feel to it. When u hit the gas the stang just falls on its face. Dont want to drive one again

LOL, this from somebody who drives a 318.

[sleepy740]

LOL, this from somebody who drives a 318.

:rofl
+1

[DU09]

a v6 mustang def isnt american muscle...
but you should have lost...
guess it was a drivers race?
good win none the less

Watchu talking bout willis? i beat a brand new v6 stang in my near stock 325..... twice. V6 stangs are the weaksauce.

[phantom3]

on paper or magazine racing they should be evenly matched , they seem to trap similar 1/4 speeds (for auto v6 2005) . and how do you be a bad driver in an auto ?? press gas and steer . anyways nice kill , i really get annoyed with the v6ers , if you wanted a fast car spend the extra money on the 8 cyc

[PirateJake]

ha, my neighbor's got a new v6 stang and he threw on some straight pipes to sound like more of a jackass...

i really wanna catch him on the road sometime and knock his ego down a knotch

[EuroCar]

LOL, this from somebody who drives a 318.
my 318 has more feel than that pos. Slower, yes, but a better car :rolleyes

[BMW335i]

V6 Stangs are really worthless. It's for the people who wants that "image", what image you ask, I couldnt tell you. I dont respect people driving V6 mustangs.

[wunderkind]

to be fair this can be said for all owners of base Beemers.

[sleepy740]

on paper or magazine racing they should be evenly matched , they seem to trap similar 1/4 speeds (for auto v6 2005) . and how do you be a bad driver in an auto ?? press gas and steer . anyways nice kill , i really get annoyed with the v6ers , if you wanted a fast car spend the extra money on the 8 cyc

1995 bmw 325 - 189hp /181 lbs trq 3164 lbs, 1/4 16.0 0-60 7.7
2005 ford mustang v6 - 210hp/240 lbs trq 3476 lbs, 1/4 15.6 0-60 7.2

here are your magazine times :shifty
its the mustang, but they are close obviously, so the driver one, not the car

[saleen342]

my 318 has more feel than that pos. Slower, yes, but a better car

I know that driving a BMW has giving you delusion of grandeur. But that pos you're talking about would rip you a new asshole and look good doing it.

At least the person driving the V6 Mustang doesn't look as foolish as someone driving a 318.

[Naumoff328is]

A Mustang had become a performance car, so anyone into performance hates to see the Mustang with a low horsepower engine in it.
If they supercharged it or put twin turbos on the v6, Now we're taking.:D

Nice kill. Keep stopping on those v6 Stangs, maybe they will start putting power adders on them.

Saleen342, I kill Saleen Mustangs all the time in my Cobra. ;)

[saleen342]

Saleen342, I kill Saleen Mustangs all the time in my Cobra.

Ahh, the real Cobra (well as close as you can get), my all time favorite car. drool

Question: How hard is it to find a real 427 FE? Also what would one cost?

[dswads34]

thanks guys, it made me happy... but I don't want them to put any power adders on it b/c I don't have the cash to do the same!!! nonetheless, put a big smile on my face, and now I want to find him again :evil2

[DU09]

1995 bmw 325 - 189hp /181 lbs trq 3164 lbs, 1/4 16.0 0-60 7.7
2005 ford mustang v6 - 210hp/240 lbs trq 3476 lbs, 1/4 15.6 0-60 7.2

here are your magazine times :shifty
its the mustang, but they are close obviously, so the driver one, not the car

People run mid 15s in their stock 325s all the time, all i know is i raced a 2005 stang, and slowly walked away from him. But we did race from a roll.

[dswads34]

1995 bmw 325 - 189hp /181 lbs trq 3164 lbs, 1/4 16.0 0-60 7.7
2005 ford mustang v6 - 210hp/240 lbs trq 3476 lbs, 1/4 15.6 0-60 7.2

here are your magazine times :shifty
its the mustang, but they are close obviously, so the driver one, not the car

BTW, I have absolutely no problem taking the credit for the kill :redspot (although I'd like to give some of it to the car...)

[MagnumX]

4.0L vs a 2.5L GOOD KILL:D

[UberAuto]

I have an m42 e30 318is. I raced an auto v6 stang and it wasn't that fast. It was a from a roll and he initially had me by a car, but I just kept revving and caught back up at the end of second... Surprised me, but it's still an auto v6 in a heavy piece of American car versus a lightweight with pretty good motor.

[EuroCar]

But that pos you're talking about would rip you a new asshole and look good doing it

:lol 0-60 in 7.2 and 15.8 sec 1/4 mile!!?? Boy will he rip me a new one :eyecrazy

[Thats M Life]

on paper or magazine racing they should be evenly matched , they seem to trap similar 1/4 speeds (for auto v6 2005) . and how do you be a bad driver in an auto ?? press gas and steer . anyways nice kill , i really get annoyed with the v6ers , if you wanted a fast car spend the extra money on the 8 cyc

then you misewell hate on EVERYONE with a 325/328/318..330...etc etc that isnt heavily modded that EVER bothers to race anyone...if you want a fast car spend the extra money and get a M3..(not saying to you as you have one) but thats not really the right attitude to take..unless if you feel the same way for everyone in this kill section without an M or FI/heavily modded car


V6 Stangs are really worthless. It's for the people who wants that "image", what image you ask, I couldnt tell you. I dont respect people driving V6 mustangs.


and what did you own before the 335i...im sure now you're just king shit with that car huh...some people like the styling of the mustang and heaven forbid they cant afford the extra 5k for a GT..they should just settle for a scion or honda right? Well...i dont respect people in NON M cars...they're just going for that "image", there's too much of an arrogant attitude among this board sometimes...

[EuroCar]

there's too much of an arrogant attitude among this board sometimes...

sometimes? People join bfc just for the kill section :rolleyes ridiculooo

[atl530i]

sometimes? People join bfc just for the kill section :rolleyes ridiculooo

+1

I've came across the kill section of this website several times before I joined this forum. This is probably one of the few posts I'll make in this section.

[dswads34]

sometimes? People join bfc just for the kill section :rolleyes ridiculooo

all I know is I joined to learn more about my car and talk to other enthusiasts... the kills are just icing IMO. Now, I definitely don't think I'm king sh*t, but needless to say I would have gotten an m3 if I could afford it AND the insurance while I'm trying to get into pharmacy school... I simply don't have the time to work or the trust fund to finance modding my car too much at this point. That comes later in life ;)

[windnsea00]

sometimes? People join bfc just for the kill section :rolleyes ridiculooo
The worse are the US muscle car drivers who think a car is defined by horsepower...it starts with a good platform/suspension/balance then power can always be added, that's the easy part. Of course most of these fools are from the American heartland so what do you expect.

[EuroCar]

I just accept it now. This is one of the few forums that I see out there that even have a kill section. I guess I shouldnt even start to reply here becuase its worthless arguing with idiots. Im not saying that God himself made BMW, but people that think BMW owners are pricks just instigate themselves and cause it in the first place.

Its the non-bmw owners on this forum that cause the most trouble, which i guess should be expected.

[windnsea00]

Yea not to mention a lot of people here have had fast/quick cars before and found out there is far more fun than straight line power, of course with $ you can have both.

My first car was a `94 Z28 and then a S50E30...right now I could care less I have an M44, I'm looking to build the "Ultimate Driving Machine" and that's where a proper platform is necessary. Eventually there will be a built S52 under my hood when the time comes :)

[Losmeister]

The worse are the US muscle car drivers who think a car is defined by horsepower...it starts with a good platform/suspension/balance then power can always be added, that's the easy part. Of course most of these fools are from the American heartland so what do you expect.

hmm.. i browse about here cos I bought a BMW cos i wanted a good car for once in my bloody lifetime... 318i is what i could afford, and then there is the mpg considerations ( more for mother earth/PACHAMAMA than my pocketbook) i look to learn about how to maintain my car and maybe add a little pep to it... its more "sporty" than FAST... so, cool by me... what i notice here in bimmerword is a inter-class snobbism ( bmw vs any other model, almost) and there is intra-class snobbism... M cars and FI folks vs folks, well, i guess like me...

since you have an m44 and live in the same town as i do i wonder where you are from...

i am a transplant, originally from Long Island ... ( Mineola) NY...

cheers, Carlos

:drink1

[windnsea00]

Hi Carlos, I've lived in La Jolla since I was 6 (currently 20). Before that I came from San Francisco.

BTW, if you need a good independent mechanic for the bigger jobs, I know a great guy who lives in our town (I went to high school with his sons) and he has a shop in El Cajon where he strictly works only on BMW's and has for quite a few decades now. He knows them like the back of his hand! If you want his name/number feel free to PM me.

[sleepy740]

:lol 0-60 in 7.2 and 15.8 sec 1/4 mile!!?? Boy will he rip me a new one :eyecrazy

yes he would rip you a new one.

[JustinE36M3]

this thread is nothing but drama. mustangs are gay, good kill dude.

[Maximum91]

Im not saying that God himself made BMW, but people that think BMW owners are pricks just instigate themselves and cause it in the first place.
Im not saying your wrong, but i can see where they get the idea. Easily over half the people that own bmw's would think i was moron if i walked up to check there car out, to them its just a normal, comfortable driving car. To me its a perfomance car that i want to look at and ask them questions about. Thats just my thoughts.

[windnsea00]

Im not saying your wrong, but i can see where they get the idea. Easily over half the people that own bmw's would think i was moron if i walked up to check there car out, to them its just a normal, comfortable driving car. To me its a perfomance car that i want to look at and ask them questions about. Thats just my thoughts.
BMW sells ~25k cars in the US monthly so you can only imagine the small percentage of enthusiasts that account for those cars. Not to mention a factory BMW (minus M cars) while still one of the best overall cars on the market (IMO) aren't necessarily "performance cars."

Around the world a typical 3-series/5-series would be just seen as a premium brand vehicle. I think in America people are so use to the boring/poor driving American sedans (say Impala or Taurus, etc.) that a car such as a BMW stands out, at least in the mid-west regions. Of course that's why the US companies are adopting more of their Euro/Australian chassis' for new cars.

[RichV]

Congrats on the kill! The 05/06 es are pigs in the weight department. Not sure on the E36, but definitely an advantage there. Was it puke green with stock wheels? If it was, and it was the guy I'm thinkin of, he was just playin with ya. He has a total sleeper, stock looking V6 with a 10 psi intercooled ProCharger. Made like 330 to the wheels. Not bad for a 6er.

Nothing wrong with V6es, just a different platform to mod. Some guys choose to go that route. Underdog, but a lot cheaper. The aftermarket makes just as much parts, car is lighter, will respond to suspension tuning better. Even tho, the chassis sux out of the box.

[RichV]

All manufacturers target the "just buying a car" crowd a lot more than the enthusiast. Just dollars and sense. The M3 does not make big $$ in sales, it is the base 3 series that is bought by the secretary that gets everything serviced by the dealer and buys another at 50K miles.

[saleen342]

0-60 in 7.2 and 15.8 sec 1/4 mile!!?? Boy will he rip me a new one

With the 94 318is running 0-60 in 10.1 and the 1/4 mile in 17.5 sec, I say YES he will rip you a new one.

[RichV]

this thread is nothing but drama. mustangs are gay, good kill dude.

You're funny......dude.

[RichV]

The worse are the US muscle car drivers who think a car is defined by horsepower...it starts with a good platform/suspension/balance then power can always be added, that's the easy part. Of course most of these fools are from the American heartland so what do you expect.

Where are you from? Probably not the US.

WE are a drag racing culture. Which is defined by HP. You may not be of that type, but it does not make you better and everyone else "fools". Who cares if someone likes their car with HP vs handling.

I enjoy a well balanced car as well. HP is not everything, but a lot of it is fun!

[XIII]

I like a car that runs. BMW does that. My old Toyota didn't, my old chevy didn't, my fords did, but poorly. BMW does it well... all the time.

[Naumoff328is]

My 328is is my first BMW and have to say that the power curve is very smooth and responsive at different speeds. The car is light and gives good feel from the road to the driver.
But a stock 328 is not a racecar. Most of the American car market wants a comfortable ride without feedback from the road. Listen to our car test drivers. "This truck has to rough of a ride." Give me a break it is a truck. If they want a smooth ride from truck what do you think they want from the rest of the automobiles. We have nice wide open roads with 70mph being the highest posted speed limit a great handling stop light killer is not neccessary. As someone addressed the handling and performance market is small. Car companies have to go where the money is.

A kill is a kill. Losing sucks. That is why the Mod Market exist.:D

Saleen, you can still get an original 427FE but with new aluminum blocks and stroker kits you can build one from aftermarket parts. I have a vintage block,crank and rods in my engine the rest is aftermarket. $$$$$$$$$$$
You can mod your 'Stangs for alot less money and probably beat my Cobra replica for less than I paid for the Engine. But I wanted what they had when these cars were built by Shelby and there still isn't many cars that can touch it Stop light to stop light and on a curvey road.

[dswads34]

Congrats on the kill! The 05/06 es are pigs in the weight department. Not sure on the E36, but definitely an advantage there. Was it puke green with stock wheels? If it was, and it was the guy I'm thinkin of, he was just playin with ya. He has a total sleeper, stock looking V6 with a 10 psi intercooled ProCharger. Made like 330 to the wheels. Not bad for a 6er.

Nothing wrong with V6es, just a different platform to mod. Some guys choose to go that route. Underdog, but a lot cheaper. The aftermarket makes just as much parts, car is lighter, will respond to suspension tuning better. Even tho, the chassis sux out of the box.


Thanks! The car was jet black, did have stock wheels though. Unless he had something very subtle, I believe the car was bone stock, I never heard an aftermarket exhaust/intake/BOV coming from him... kinda curious about your friend's car now though :) I have a buddy w/ a supercharged z28 that would be interested in meeting him :D

[windnsea00]

Where are you from? Probably not the US.

WE are a drag racing culture. Which is defined by HP. You may not be of that type, but it does not make you better and everyone else "fools". Who cares if someone likes their car with HP vs handling.

I enjoy a well balanced car as well. HP is not everything, but a lot of it is fun!
San Diego. I was only stating my opinion and that drag racing is only 1 part of the whole spectrum a car is capable of. However, a lot of crappy American cars are only good at that one thing. I had a `94 Z28 at 17 and made sure to sell that engineering marvel after a year.

I cannot imagine what it would be like living in central US where a majority of people think a "good" car is defined by a 1/4 mile time.

[RichV]

I cannot imagine what it would be like living in central US where a majority of people think a "good" car is defined by a 1/4 mile time.


This is very true! lol

[RichV]

Thanks! The car was jet black, did have stock wheels though. Unless he had something very subtle, I believe the car was bone stock, I never heard an aftermarket exhaust/intake/BOV coming from him... kinda curious about your friend's car now though :) I have a buddy w/ a supercharged z28 that would be interested in meeting him :D

Cool. We have a guy in the Stang club currently adapting a 03 Cobra Eaton blower on his V6. Should be an interesting setup.

I can play with a s/c Z28. My 86 Saleen runs a 9psi ProCharger. Feels like a sledgehammer hits you in the chest!

[dswads34]

Cool. We have a guy in the Stang club currently adapting a 03 Cobra Eaton blower on his V6. Should be an interesting setup.

I can play with a s/c Z28. My 86 Saleen runs a 9psi ProCharger. Feels like a sledgehammer hits you in the chest!

How much are you putting down on 9psi?

[Dtrain325i]

I routinely spanked v6 mustangs in my 94 325i. They're junk

[RichV]

How much are you putting down on 9psi?

Not sure yet. According to my trap speeds I was making about 390 at the wheels, but that was running at 5 deg of timing. I did not have enough fuel. I just upgraded the pump to a 255HP so when I get the timing back to 10 it should be well above 400. I would guess the 430 range. Not sure on the torque. My dyno shop closed late in the season so I have not gotten a chance to put it on the rollers. I still have 24# injectors too, so once I ditch the FMU and tune it with 42# it should put down a few more ponies. But the block is only good for about 500-550 flywheel before it cracks down the valley! :nono

[Venomous04]

Nice kill, but a v6 auto mustang is hardly american muscle.

[phantom3]

then you misewell hate on EVERYONE with a 325/328/318..330...etc etc that isnt heavily modded that EVER bothers to race anyone...if you want a fast car spend the extra money and get a M3..(not saying to you as you have one) but thats not really the right attitude to take..unless if you feel the same way for everyone in this kill section without an M or FI/heavily modded car.


I see your point , and that was an ignorant thing for me to say , but to me its
like making a v6 corvette or viper , cars like that are meant to have a certain muscle car image and it strikes a nerve when some one buys a v6 stang and drives around town racing everyone thinking they are "king" , cause well its a "mustang" . I dunno i just think its being a poser . So yeah i refrain my generalized statement , i just dont like the posers in the v6 mustang , but not every 6cyc mustang owner is like that .

[dswads34]

Let me know Rich, I'm sure my buddy would be glad to get somebody worthwhile to race down here if you make a road trip...


Nice kill, but a v6 auto mustang is hardly american muscle.

American overweight part-time weightlifter maybe? :confused

[Maximum91]

I like a car that runs. BMW does that. My old Toyota didn't, my old chevy didn't, my fords did, but poorly. BMW does it well... all the time.
You must have beat on you other cars or bought one from someone who did. I can only acount for ford wich my famly drive. My car is a 91 mustang with 200,000 miles and runs great. the only things to go were the power stearing pump, and the alternater. My brother and dads truck had 250,000 miles and never had to do anything but oil changes, tires, the normal stuff. So if thats not good, than i dont know what is.
The only bmw in the famly just had the vanos go out at 170,000 miles.

[Thats M Life]

I see your point , and that was an ignorant thing for me to say , but to me its
like making a v6 corvette or viper , cars like that are meant to have a certain muscle car image and it strikes a nerve when some one buys a v6 stang and drives around town racing everyone thinking they are "king" , cause well its a "mustang" . I dunno i just think its being a poser . So yeah i refrain my generalized statement , i just dont like the posers in the v6 mustang , but not every 6cyc mustang owner is like that .

i understand where you are coming from...just thought you meant all v6 owners. Yeah the ons that act like they have a sports car are jokes...some happen to just be affording the car they can..and the other 90% are women lol. But yeah anyone in a v6 mustang driving aroud like they are the shit is a poser...some know their place and just like to see what they can beat though.

[EuroCar]

With the 94 318is running 0-60 in 10.1 and the 1/4 mile in 17.5 sec, I say YES he will rip you a new one.

ahhh googled up thoses stats didncha...albeedigital must have the correct numbers huh
it also says the 92 318i does a 9.7 and a 17.2, yet a 94 318i does 8.8 and a 16.6....same car are they not?


If i had a videocamera i would gladly show u the sub 10.1 sec to 60...by a long shot

[Maximum91]

ahhh googled up thoses stats didncha...

If i had a videocamera i would gladly show u the sub 10.1 sec to 60...by a long shot
my mom has a 96 buick century and it pulled 3 car lengths on a 318 to 60, both are auto, the 318 is the slowest car i ever rode in, it would be a close race with my geo tracker.

[RichV]

If i had a videocamera i would gladly show u the sub 10.1 sec to 60...by a long shot

Is your car stock? What is the weight?

[sleepy740]

:lol 0-60 in 7.2 and 15.8 sec 1/4 mile!!?? Boy will he rip me a new one :eyecrazy


ahhh googled up thoses stats didncha...albeedigital must have the correct numbers huh
it also says the 92 318i does a 9.7 and a 17.2, yet a 94 318i does 8.8 and a 16.6....same car are they not?


If i had a videocamera i would gladly show u the sub 10.1 sec to 60...by a long shot

so your point then???
your car has less than 140 hp...
i would love to see you get a sub 9 second 0-60

[EuroCar]

no my car is not stock, its a Manual, and prob tips in at about 2850-2900 i would think. Also an auto 318 is much slower than the manual. I have no problem with a 323 thru second (58mph), then itll start to beat me

my car has prob exactly 140hp...138 stock, 10 from chip, ill give u 8hp becuase of age. tq is prob around 145 and my lsd helps with that. i think im prob in the 8 sec range no problem. a 325 is NOT much faster than a 318

[EuroCar]

so your point then???

whats my point?? They quote the same exact car two diffrent 0-60's and 1/4's....its not accurate thats my point. Ill keep my word and try and get a video up soon. Ill post it in this thread.

[sleepy740]

whats my point?? They quote the same exact car two diffrent 0-60's and 1/4's....its not accurate thats my point.

and my point is that your car is slow, and he would "rip" you a new one :)

[windnsea00]

The only bmw in the famly just had the vanos go out at 170,000 miles.
That's not abnormal...$400 for a new one. At least BMW was using variable valve timing in the early 90's and American car companies are JUST starting to catch on :D

[EuroCar]

If i knew a guy who owned one (only chicks around here do), id show you myself. I have no doubt that it will beat me, as it should. But not an assriping.

[sleepy740]

If i knew a guy who owned one (only chicks around here do), id show you myself. I have no doubt that it will beat me, as it should. But not an assriping.

i sold a 96ti at my dealership not too long ago
it had k&n, exhaust, short shifter, lowered...
it was slow as balls

[EuroCar]

lol...ok? so is a base mustang

[sleepy740]

right, but a base mustang can beat a 318/323/325
remember, we are talking about the 05+ mustang v6
im not saying its fast at all, but its faster than a stock e36 3er...
do i have to make it any more clearer???

[trevordr]

V6 Stangs are really worthless. It's for the people who wants that "image", what image you ask, I couldnt tell you. I dont respect people driving V6 mustangs.

brozef they got like 3.8 liters WOOT

[EuroCar]

right, but a base mustang can beat a 318/323/325
remember, we are talking about the 05+ mustang v6
im not saying its fast at all, but its faster than a stock e36 3er...
do i have to make it any more clearer???

i understand what your saying but i believe you are still off. As many claimed and i would have to agree, a 325 can beat a automatic stang.

Second, it cant rip a 318 a new asshole if you mean .5-.7 sec in the 1/4 is an ass ripping, maybe a automatic convertible 318would classify as an ass riping. I think it would probably be a close race for my car and dead even b/w a stock 323.

Just my opinion man, nobody usually believes it anyway because of the 3 numbers in my name, so im used to it dont worry.

[trevordr]

and my point is that your car is slow, and he would "rip" you a new one :)

i forgot that 740's go mach 3, must be that northrop grumman 7000hp jet turbine engine.

[EuroCar]

i forgot that 740's go mach 3, must be that northrop grumman 7000hp jet turbine engine.
noooooo thats in the 318 silly

[trevordr]

noooooo thats in the 318 silly

F*ck i forgot AGAIN!

[M3UOND]

Ahh, the real Cobra (well as close as you can get), my all time favorite car. drool

Question: How hard is it to find a real 427 FE? Also what would one cost?

I'm only aware of two of them in existence. One is owned by a Nascar driver. Apparently no one knows where the other one is.

[SpunkyE30nOk]

right, but a base mustang can beat a 318/323/325
remember, we are talking about the 05+ mustang v6
im not saying its fast at all, but its faster than a stock e36 3er...
do i have to make it any more clearer???

I've raced 94-05 v6 mustangs in my e30 and I have NEVER lost to one, didn't even come close to losing to one, Ive raced autos and manuals and either way they just suck, if you want a fast v6 mustang you supercharge it, but I doubt that would even beat a stock e36 M3. the last stang I raced was like a 95 vert drivin by some grey/balding white dude he was alone I had 2 friends with me, he started reving his motor at me so i look at hime raise the revs to 4000 rpm, light turned green dumped the clutch and we were off..we were neck and neck most of 1st gear but after 2nd it was over and i was pulling away from him...

My e30, stock w k.n filter w cat delete to stock ansa muffler
mustang looked like a stock convert

[Thats M Life]

I've raced 94-05 v6 mustangs in my e30 and I have NEVER lost to one, didn't even come close to losing to one, Ive raced autos and manuals and either way they just suck, if you want a fast v6 mustang you supercharge it, but I doubt that would even beat a stock e36 M3. the last stang I raced was like a 95 vert drivin by some grey/balding white dude he was alone I had 2 friends with me, he started reving his motor at me so i look at hime raise the revs to 4000 rpm, light turned green dumped the clutch and we were off..we were neck and neck most of 1st gear but after 2nd it was over and i was pulling away from him...

My e30, stock w k.n filter w cat delete to stock ansa muffler
mustang looked like a stock convert

well you are talking about a 145hp v6 in your story..the new one is 210hp thats a huge difference..and it weighs maybe 100-150lbs more than that 95 vert you are talking about. I'm not famliar with the e30's at all so not saying you cant beat a 05+ mustang...anything can happen on the street..im saying cars potential to cars potential the 05+ v6 should beat you (unless if my estimate of your car is off) but i know for a fact 99.9% of the time it should KILL a 318 of any year unless if its heavily modded...and it should beat a 323/325 e36 and up..but it would be a drivers race im sure as the v6 is capable of low 15's at 91ish

[Maximum91]

That's not abnormal...$400 for a new one. At least BMW was using variable valve timing in the early 90's and American car companies are JUST starting to catch on :D
im not saying bmw is dumb, im just saying fords are very reliable cars, and that bmw do break too. Any car out there will got for 200k if you treat it right, its the ones that can take the beatings and still go for 200k, such a mustangs and bmws, that only need small repairs to do it.

[SpunkyE30nOk]

well you are talking about a 145hp v6 in your story..the new one is 210hp thats a huge difference..and it weighs maybe 100-150lbs more than that 95 vert you are talking about. I'm not famliar with the e30's at all so not saying you cant beat a 05+ mustang...anything can happen on the street..im saying cars potential to cars potential the 05+ v6 should beat you (unless if my estimate of your car is off) but i know for a fact 99.9% of the time it should KILL a 318 of any year unless if its heavily modded...and it should beat a 323/325 e36 and up..but it would be a drivers race im sure as the v6 is capable of low 15's at 91ish

notice i said "94-05" meaning the last 3 generations of the stang ive raced. Always the same outcome me in front :buttrock . Granted the new v6 is 200 or 210hp, but its also heavy and i think it probably has shitty gearing, 1st and 2nd gear are quite short in an e30 plus i have a 3.73 rear end, so even on normal take offs shifting at 3500rpm or so I seem to pull away from traffic

[dswads34]

notice i said "94-05" meaning the last 3 generations of the stang ive raced. Always the same outcome me in front :buttrock . Granted the new v6 is 200 or 210hp, but its also heavy and i think it probably has shitty gearing, 1st and 2nd gear are quite short in an e30 plus i have a 3.73 rear end, so even on normal take offs shifting at 3500rpm or so I seem to pull away from traffic

does somebody have the gearing stats for the '05 v6 stang? Could be interesting to make a comparison... All I know is I beat it easily, and my car is stock. IDK about the gearing in my car, but this could potentially be an answer to why everybody seems to be speaking in unision when saying that they consistently beat v6 stangs in their 3 series. Just my opinion... now, for the question; for those of you who are saying that the stang should be spanking the 3'ers, have/do you drive one yourself? Thought I'd toss that out there, as most of the people talking about the 3's getting spanked seem to be driving either higher scale bmw's or another make of car altogether.

[saleen342]

I do know that base 05+ Mustang V6 has the speed limiter set at 111 mph because of the speed rating of the tires.

[Thats M Life]

well my mom used to own a 99 convertable v6 auto..drove it plenty so yeah i do know what it drives like...my brother owns a 94 325i, when it was stock id say the 325 was slightly faster than it...id say if taken to the track it would have probably beat it by .2-.3 a 99 vert auto is a good deal slower than a 05+ coupe 5spd if properly driven so i still stand by that it should destroy any 318 and would be a drivers race for 323/325 i guess...hard to tell as i have only driven the 05+ gt

[dswads34]

fair enough, I can accept that it would be a driver's race, as on paper the 325 is certainly the underdog... but then again, paper is paper, and the street is another thing (in some cases). That said, I don't expect to see a stock 6cyl explorer take a viper any time soon.

[Thats M Life]

fair enough, I can accept that it would be a driver's race, as on paper the 325 is certainly the underdog... but then again, paper is paper, and the street is another thing (in some cases). That said, I don't expect to see a stock 6cyl explorer take a viper any time soon.

lmao...i can see why on the street the bimmer wins more...there is slightly more room for error since the bimmer gets better as the speeds increase (not perse faster from 50-100 than 0-50...but it doesnt decline as much as the mustang) so if that mustang owner cant nail the launch first few gears he has no hope since the bimmer will walk on the hwy

[EuroCar]

what is considered destroying?? a 318 is in the mid 16's stock and its like the high 15's?? thats destroying??? both are friggn slow. and quite sad that 140hp and even less torque almost equals 210hp and 240 ft lbs.

[Thats M Life]

what is considered destroying?? a 318 is in the mid 16's stock and its like the high 15's?? thats destroying??? both are friggn slow. and quite sad that 140hp and even less torque almost equals 210hp and 240 ft lbs.

low 15's for 05+ v6 not high...and yes a second in the 1/4 is destroying..its like me saying a dodge viper doesnt destroy me..only a second quicker in the 1/4..

[EuroCar]

low 15's for 05+ v6 not high...and yes a second in the 1/4 is destroying..its like me saying a dodge viper doesnt destroy me..only a second quicker in the 1/4..

low 15's for an auto stang? i think not

[Thats M Life]

low 15's for an auto stang? i think not

auto should be mid...there's not going to be a half second difference between the auto/manual on a v6 stang...not that much power to take advantage of the 5spd...but i could be wrong there, i was just referring to 5spd v6 stang though..as we are talking about a 5spd 318/323/325

[EuroCar]

whatever...i cant see how someone could gloat after their destroying of a 16 sec car with their mid-high 15 sec car.

[Thats M Life]

you're not stock so i dont see why you care what happens to a stock 318 trying to race someone..

[EuroCar]

lol yeah, but my car isnt much faster than it was until fwy speeds. Im just think most people dont really know the stats on the 318 and just make fun of it to make them feel better. Yeah, wen u got 4 wankers in an auto 318 revving, no question who is going to win. But in all honesty, the car really isnt that slow, or at least faster than most people think.

Just becuase i drive a 318 doesnt mean im not allowed to say that an auto stang falls on its face. A 318 doesnt fall on its face, it gives u all the power its got and that it (even though i know its not much)

Thats what got me started, these american macho mustang owners thinking that my car falls on its face because of its "so called" 0-60 in 10.1 and the 1/4 in mid 17's. a 318 is a better car imo

[sleepy740]

i forgot that 740's go mach 3, must be that northrop grumman 7000hp jet turbine engine.

yeah, cuz clearly i was saying that my car can go mach 3
all i said is that a 318 is slow as balls...
and my car can beat a v6 mustang, and a 318...believe it or not :shifty

[RichV]

1 second is huge on a strip. The faster you are at the traps, the more 1 second feels like an eternity.

My 86 has run a best of 13.1, when I race a 12.1 sec car, it is a huge ass ripping. Like 6 car lengths.

[dswads34]

1 second is huge on a strip. The faster you are at the traps, the more 1 second feels like an eternity.

My 86 has run a best of 13.1, when I race a 12.1 sec car, it is a huge ass ripping. Like 6 car lengths.

13.1 at altitude? impressive!

[RichV]

Yea, altitude sux! It would easily be a low-mid 11 second car at sea level.

:D

[ttype86]

whatever...i cant see how someone could gloat after their destroying of a 16 sec car with their mid-high 15 sec car.

A rule of thumb that we used for years when racing, that will get you pretty close, is that every tenth of a second in the 1/4, is worth about 3 car lengths. So if he covers you by 3/4 of a second, that will be about equall to 21-22 car lengths, or assuming a 15' long car approx 300 feet, give or take, thats a pretty heathly win. 3/4 of a second in the 1/4 is huge.

[SurfdogCP]

A rule of thumb that we used for years when racing, that will get you pretty close, is that every tenth of a second in the 1/4, is worth about 3 car lengths. So if he covers you by 3/4 of a second, that will be about equall to 21-22 car lengths, or assuming a 15' long car approx 300 feet, give or take, thats a pretty heathly win. 3/4 of a second in the 1/4 is huge.

Ha ha ha... "Rule of thumb." Nice.

[RichV]

A rule of thumb that we used for years when racing, that will get you pretty close, is that every tenth of a second in the 1/4, is worth about 3 car lengths. So if he covers you by 3/4 of a second, that will be about equall to 21-22 car lengths, or assuming a 15' long car approx 300 feet, give or take, thats a pretty heathly win. 3/4 of a second in the 1/4 is huge.

I think that will really depend on the speed at the traps. A slow car running like 80mph in the end versus a 110mph car, the fast car at 110 can easily go 10 car lengths in one second, but the 80 mph car will be more like 5.

What are the stock strip #s for E36es? I have read that the 318 (M42) will be faster (on BFC) than an automatic M50 325??? Seems like the 325 should be faster, I mean it has like 50+ more HP.

[Lee101315]

Nice kill. Better Driver always wins, regardless of the car.Those engines are putting down 265hp I think, but for some reason, they are slow. Why are they so slow? Are they extremely heavy? They look nice though.

[jturn06]

If any of you see a gray '06 5 series on academy it's probably me and we'll through it down.

[saleen342]

what is considered destroying?? a 318 is in the mid 16's stock and its like the high 15's?? thats destroying??? both are friggn slow. and quite sad that 140hp and even less torque almost equals 210hp and 240 ft lbs.

0-60 and 1/4 mile

2005 Ford Mustang LX 4.0l 6.9 15.3 (C&D Feb 05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5 (MT Jan 05)

[saleen342]

Nice kill. Better Driver always wins, regardless of the car.Those engines are putting down 265hp I think, but for some reason, they are slow. Why are they so slow? Are they extremely heavy? They look nice though.

The op was talking about a 05 Mustang V6. They're rated at 210hp and put down about 180-185 to the rear wheels.

[dswads34]

The op was talking about a 05 Mustang V6. They're rated at 210hp and put down about 180-185 to the rear wheels.

Yea, please, don't give me too much credit, I hate that... :stickoutt

jturn- you'd smoke me, but I am interested in seeing the car... when are you cruising around there? If I have time I might have to hit the street to check it out.
edit: what trim 5 series? Does your 318 have any mods? I think you're the first person I've come across in the springs, its kinda refreshing/encouraging.

[saleen342]

Yea, please, don't give me too much credit, I hate that...



LOL, Hey a kill is a kill.

There's a huge list of 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for all cars over at the Club Lexus forums. It's under Stories/Racing enthusiast section. It's the first thread (sticky). Since I'm new here, I can't post a link yet.

[EuroCar]

A rule of thumb that we used for years when racing, that will get you pretty close, is that every tenth of a second in the 1/4, is worth about 3 car lengths. So if he covers you by 3/4 of a second, that will be about equall to 21-22 car lengths, or assuming a 15' long car approx 300 feet, give or take, thats a pretty heathly win. 3/4 of a second in the 1/4 is huge.
holy hell. with a trap speed of what...120!?

[Smilez]

V6 Stangs are really worthless. It's for the people who wants that "image", what image you ask, I couldnt tell you. I dont respect people driving V6 mustangs.

well my homie has a v6 stang...its modiefied... he has smoked v8 cars even a 76 stang...he smoked a camero supersport...maybe kuz the camero didnt know how to drive his car... his stang smokes my bmw by like 2 cars or more... sometimes you have to respect a v6...never now whats under that hood...

[EuroCar]

well my homie has a v6 stang...its modiefied... he has smoked v8 cars even a 76 stang...he smoked a camero supersport...maybe kuz the camero didnt know how to drive his car... his stang smokes my bmw by like 2 cars or more... sometimes you have to respect a v6...never now whats under that hood...

dawg, Wernt 76 stangz wun of the wurst evar built? The really small fugly wun?

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1970-1979/1976-Ford-Mustang-Fastback-Cream.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.seriouswheels.com/1970-1979/1976-Ford-Mustang-Fastback-Cream.htm&h=474&w=800&sz=85&hl=en&start=9&tbnid=Ds9z38KEY3Xf4M:&tbnh=85&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3D1976%2Bmustang%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den %26lr%3D

yup, eye wuz rite

[SpunkyE30nOk]

dawg, Wernt 76 stangz wun of the wurst evar built? The really small fugly wun?

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1970-1979/1976-Ford-Mustang-Fastback-Cream.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.seriouswheels.com/1970-1979/1976-Ford-Mustang-Fastback-Cream.htm&h=474&w=800&sz=85&hl=en&start=9&tbnid=Ds9z38KEY3Xf4M:&tbnh=85&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3D1976%2Bmustang%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den %26lr%3D

yup, eye wuz rite

:lol

[///Montizzle]

tell your "homie" that for all that money he put into a pos v6 mustang, he could have just bought the GT

[ttype86]

Ha ha ha... "Rule of thumb." Nice.

I don't quite know what you're trying to say, but looking at my car list and then yours, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I've spent a little more time at the drag strip then you have. Sorry if I didn't phrase that to you liking, but none the less it's a decent measurement of the difference between cars in the 1/4 for every ten of their ET.


I think that will really depend on the speed at the traps. A slow car running like 80mph in the end versus a 110mph car, the fast car at 110 can easily go 10 car lengths in one second, but the 80 mph car will be more like 5.You can't think of it that way, because one car might run a 11.40 at 122mph and another an 11.40 at 132mph, they still both went 1320 feet in 11.40 seconds. The car running against them could run a 13.90 at 98, but since they are both traveling 1320 feet in 11.40 seconds, the second car will still be the same distance behind either car at the 1320 mark.

Again it not an exact science, and not meant to compare a 9 second car and a 17 second car, if that was the case who would care, but since I've spent more time than I care to admit at drag strips for well over 25 years now, I have found it to be a pretty good "Rule of Thumb" if you want to bench race on how bad one car can beat another based on thier ET's.

[ttype86]

holy hell. with a trap speed of what...120!?

Again how fast your going at the end means nothing. We are talking about how fast (Elapsed Time) it takes you to get to the 1320 mark, not how fast you are going when you get there. If you get there in 16.50 seconds at 84mph and he gets there in 15.75 seconds at 93mph, you'll be approx 20 car lengths behind. If you get there at 16.50 seconds at 84mph and he gets there at 15.75 seconds at 98mph, you'll still be the same length behind him, because he still took the exact same amount of time to get there as the first time and so did you, reguardless of the mph he went the second time.

[dephisis101]

he only beat you by 2 cars.....i wouldnt call that fast...no offense but if you have a stock 2002 325i and he only beat you by 2 cars....my friend has a 2002 325i and when we mess around i always beat him by like 3 cars....i have a stock 325is....and im srry to say stock v stangs are kinda slow for there overly sized engines.....half of your speed comes from power, the other half from gearing ( hondas high ass revs, low power, short ass gears) i raced a gsr the other night and i beat him by like 2 cars...this same gsr has video of him racing and 2002 gt like 5 times....it was neck and neck....what a waste of 3.3 more liters. Im srry i only give respect to really fast v8's due to their engine size


well my homie has a v6 stang...its modiefied... he has smoked v8 cars even a 76 stang...he smoked a camero supersport...maybe kuz the camero didnt know how to drive his car... his stang smokes my bmw by like 2 cars or more... sometimes you have to respect a v6...never now whats under that hood...

[dephisis101]

holy hell. with a trap speed of what...120!?

more like 200....wtf? 3/4 of a sec will not put 22 car lengths...thats around 300 feets....which is around 100 meters....which is 1/4 of a 1/4 mile....thats would mean that a four second difference is equivalent to the whole track...that doesnt makes sense??

[ttype86]

3/4 of a sec will not put 22 car lengths...thats around 300 feets.Again it's not an exact science, you can't compare a 9 second car against a 17 second car, it won't work. But, if you have ever spend any time at an actual dragstrip, you would know that 3/4 to a second is an eternity, and could be an easy 250 feet or so between cars. The strip is 1320 feet long, 275 feet give or take is approx 1/5 of the track, if you don't think a car running almost a second faster can put a fifth of the track beween them and the finish, you've never been to a dragstrip. At 100 + mph and still accelerating, at the end of the track you can cover 250-275 in a second easy. Ever see a 9 second car run a 13 second car, 13 seconds is respectful for a street car, but the 9 second car will be gone and done with his run while the 13 secong car is barely past the 300 foot beam, he'll beat him by 7-800 feet.

Again this is not an exact science, just threw it out there because I've used this in the past and at the track it gets you within the ballpark. But as usual on this forum, there are one or two experts, usually ones that have absolutely no experience in the subject, and who probably have never been to a dragstrip more than twice in their lives, but feel like they have to put their two cents worth in, not because they have a solution, but just to stir it up for the sake of arguement.

[ttype86]

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/dragstrip/2/d9049439-361f-41c7-9342-e34cab4f01c8.htm

This is a great video. The BMW runs an 8.80 and the ricer runs a 14.00 or about 5 seconds difference. The BMW takes at least 3-4 seconds to spool the turbo and launch after the ricer has already left, yet he catches him at half track and still puts another 3-400 or so feet on him before the traps. Now if they left at the same time, you don't think he would have beat him by 7-8 feet, he would have easily.

[SurfdogCP]

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I don't quite know what you're trying to say, but looking at my car list and then yours, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I've spent a little more time at the drag strip then you have. Sorry if I didn't phrase that to you liking, but none the less it's a decent measurement of the difference between cars in the 1/4 for every ten of their ET.

You can't think of it that way, because one car might run a 11.40 at 122mph and another an 11.40 at 132mph, they still both went 1320 feet in 11.40 seconds. The car running against them could run a 13.90 at 98, but since they are both traveling 1320 feet in 11.40 seconds, the second car will still be the same distance behind either car at the 1320 mark.

Again it not an exact science, and not meant to compare a 9 second car and a 17 second car, if that was the case who would care, but since I've spent more time than I care to admit at drag strips for well over 25 years now, I have found it to be a pretty good "Rule of Thumb" if you want to bench race on how bad one car can beat another based on thier ET's.

I was referring to the etymology of the expression, "rule of thumb," that being that some years ago it was acceptable and legal to beat one's wife provided the instrument used was no wider than one's thumb.

I'm not upset because I think you just didn't understand to what I was referring. But it is rude to make assumptions about people's experience and rude to patronize. Especially since you are postulating a general rule to which your own examples do not adhere. For instance, at 10 feet per .1 seconds final 1/4 time difference a car would probably average around 70mph throughout the 1/4 which, depending on final trap, would either be acheived through quick early acceleration and weak top-end or through weak early acceleration and strong pull through 3rd/4th gear. Your example however, of a car running 11.4 would run an average speed of more like 80mph throught the 1/4 meaning the likely distance between cars given a .1 seconds final difference is more like 12 feet. Naturally, as times diminish or increase around a mean of around 13.1-3sec. your estimate of feet per 0.1 seconds time difference will drop or increase by ever greater margins. So the general rule of 10 feet turns out to not be so general because it only applies well to cars running low 13's. Now I think we both know that that's not what you were getting at. And that all you wanted to suggest was that, by and large, most cars running reasonable times, 12-14 say, have a difference of about 10 per .1. But the correct way to defend that is not to "take a look at someone's car list" and then assume you have more drag experience. Taking a quick glance at your car list I might conclude, on the basis that you own a Buick, that you are a nice grandmotherly figure with blue hair and no teeth. And that would hardly be fair of me, now would it?
Cheers.

[EuroCar]

Again it's not an exact science

No, its NOT a science.

I know how big of a deal 1/4 stats are to some people, but count .75 sec on a stopwatch...

Its no ass ripping to me.

[ttype86]

I was referring to the etymology of the expression, "rule of thumb," that being that some years ago it was acceptable and legal to beat one's wife provided the instrument used was no wider than one's thumb.Wish I would have know that when I was married. lol

Didn't mean any offence by it, I was just stating that having spent 25+ years racing cars, I would guess I have as much or more experience at the track as most people on this forum. I'm thinking anyone who would mistake a Buick Grand National for an Bluehairs car, probably wouldn't be on this site anyway.

Have a good day

[Tuff Guy]

having had 2 mustangs, v6s are garbage, period.

[RichV]

Surfdog, look up Buick T-Type and the GN line. Those are drag racing legend cars. Out of the box were faster than Vettes in the accompanying years. Ttype86 is obviously a drag racer and knows what he is talking about. Yea so you're a math major. Now get your ass to the dragstrip so you can get a clue on drag racing.

[SurfdogCP]

Surfdog, look up Buick T-Type and the GN line. Those are drag racing legend cars. Out of the box were faster than Vettes in the accompanying years. Ttype86 is obviously a drag racer and knows what he is talking about. Yea so you're a math major. Now get your ass to the dragstrip so you can get a clue on drag racing.

First, I am not now and never was a math major. Second, I was being facetious about his Buick. I knew exactly what type of car it was. It was a joke meant to highlight that fact that a cursory glance at one's car collection is not enough to profile someone well enough to know their driving/racing proclivities.

I don't have any crayons on hand, but since you seem to need me to draw you a picture:

1.) He thought I didn't know anything about drag racing because he misunderstood my joke and thought, given my car list that I wasn't likely to go to the track.
2.) I explained my joke. Analyzed his general rule. And, through making a joke about his Buick, suggested that you can't really tell that much about a person by reference to a few words in a car list.
3.) You flamed me for not knowing anything about drag racing or drag cars.

Possible conclusions: 1.) You can't read and so had no idea what we were talking about. 2.) You can read but didn't read the whole exchange, in which case you shouldn't have posted. 3.) You can read, you did read the whole exchange, and still didn't understand it. In which case, you are too dumb to absorb nuance and should have been euthanized as a child to prevent exposure to the rest of us.
I don't know which is the right explanation and I don't care. But make sure you understand the conversation before you post next time.

[RichV]

First, I am not now and never was a math major. Second, I was being facetious about his Buick. I knew exactly what type of car it was. It was a joke meant to highlight that fact that a cursory glance at one's car collection is not enough to profile someone well enough to know their driving/racing proclivities.

I don't have any crayons on hand, but since you seem to need me to draw you a picture:

1.) He thought I didn't know anything about drag racing because he misunderstood my joke and thought, given my car list that I wasn't likely to go to the track.
2.) I explained my joke. Analyzed his general rule. And, through making a joke about his Buick, suggested that you can't really tell that much about a person by reference to a few words in a car list.
3.) You flamed me for not knowing anything about drag racing or drag cars.

Possible conclusions: 1.) You can't read and so had no idea what we were talking about. 2.) You can read but didn't read the whole exchange, in which case you shouldn't have posted. 3.) You can read, you did read the whole exchange, and still didn't understand it. In which case, you are too dumb to absorb nuance and should have been euthanized as a child to prevent exposure to the rest of us.
I don't know which is the right explanation and I don't care. But make sure you understand the conversation before you post next time.

I was gonna read all that, but can't.
http://www.johnberman.com/pics/funny/you_are_a_tool.jpg

[LedVenom281]

V6 Mustang refered as 'American Muscle?' HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

If you want to race a Mustang with some 'American Muscle' look for an 03/04 SVT Cobra. I'd be happy to show you. ;)

Nice kill nonetheless, but please, don't ever refer to the 6 bangers as American Muscle again.

[LedVenom281]

well my homie has a v6 stang...its modiefied... he has smoked v8 cars even a 76 stang...he smoked a camero supersport...maybe kuz the camero didnt know how to drive his car... his stang smokes my bmw by like 2 cars or more... sometimes you have to respect a v6...never now whats under that hood...
When it comes to the V6 'Stangs you don't have to respect them for what's under the hood. Your 'homie's' car is slow. Tell him.

[jtspells]

you know you can beat any one in ANY car you just have to know what you are doing and that also means you have to know how to drive your car, good kill though keep it up

[B///MW]

doesn't muscle have to include 8 cylinders? I'm pretty sure that's what's intended whenever muscle is mentioned.

[dswads34]

you know you can beat any one in ANY car you just have to know what you are doing and that also means you have to know how to drive your car, good kill though keep it up

I'm not sure I know what you mean here... are you saying I do or do not know what I am doing? Thank you regardless :D. BTW, no debate here; v6 doesn't = american muscle. But it did get you to take a look at it, making me feel a little prouder of my car (thus causing me to forget that I couldn't afford an m3 just yet :(). That, and knowing the stats of the '05, I was surprised that I got that much on him, at least considering this was my first time actually getting heavy on the accel. since I bought and inspected it.

[ttype86]

v6 doesn't = american muscle.Oh really, Ever heard of a Buick Grand National, or how about the 1989 Pontiac Trans Am Pace car, it was the first car to pace Indy with Zero mods, only safety strobe light were added, it was a V6 and most still consider it one of the fastest Trans Am ever built, including the LS1 V8's.

If not here is a link from this forum for you.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=588360&highlight=Buick+grand+national

[dswads34]

Oh really, Ever heard of a Buick Grand National, or how about the 1989 Pontiac Trans Am Pace car, it was the first car to pace Indy with Zero mods, only safety strobe light were added, it was a V6 and most still consider it one of the fastest Trans Am ever built, including the LS1 V8's.

If not here is a link from this forum for you.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=588360&highlight=Buick+grand+national

lol, everybody's insulted somehow in this thread... so many insulted v8 owners because they don't think a v6 is american muscle, but you're right :rolleyes; truth is I haven't had much experience or read much about either the '89 trans am pace car or the buick grand national, but the link filled in the gaps quite nicely :alright

[88gta]

lol, everybody's insulted somehow in this thread... so many insulted v8 owners because they don't think a v6 is american muscle, but you're right :rolleyes; truth is I haven't had much experience or read much about either the '89 trans am pace car or the buick grand national, but the link filled in the gaps quite nicely :alright

the 'gap' is that they were both turbo'ed from the factory

v10's count for american muscle too (viper).

base mustangs and base f-bodies != muscle

[MagnumX]

wow this thread is still going on

[s10mafia50]

0-60 in 7.2 and 15.8 sec 1/4 mile!!?? Boy will he rip me a new one

Dang, I'll have to start racing v6 stangs in my sable....

eurocar318, I've been driving around a 318ti for the last few days, and that thing is insanely quick for a 4cyl.....It can walk away from my sable all day long, so its quicker than 15.8's....rofl
Andrew

[Corky325]

Oh really, Ever heard of a Buick Grand National, or how about the 1989 Pontiac Trans Am Pace car, it was the first car to pace Indy with Zero mods, only safety strobe light were added, it was a V6 and most still consider it one of the fastest Trans Am ever built, including the LS1 V8's.

If not here is a link from this forum for you.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=588360&highlight=Buick+grand+national

Yeah, you beat me to it. Funny story, there was a GN in my town for a while, he is was a college student and he suprised the hell out of a lot of people. There was some car show in town, and during it all these ricers were talking shit to everybody, including people just at the show. They made a mistake of making fun of his GN (which he drove to the show) and he just agreed to race, knowing the outcome. There was a whole list of people that were gooing to whoop him supposidly, but it took only the first race. After the whooping he put on the first car, they all just kinda shut up.
I forget his mods, but he ran mid 12's on street tires (like 255's).
Funny thing also, people think those cares are overly obese. We broght it to a scale and it weighed 3300, on the same scale my car (e36) weighed 2940.

[SurfdogCP]

I was gonna read all that, but can't.
http://www.johnberman.com/pics/funny/you_are_a_tool.jpg

Boy. I guess you showed me. Idiot...

[Lord Tristian]

v6 stangs are weak, they should just cough up the extra dollars and get the v8

[ttype86]

v6 stangs are weak, they should just cough up the extra dollars and get the v8

While I might agree with you, don't forget the V6's account for the majority of the Mustang sales, so if not for the V6 cars, they would not sell enough Mustangs to keep the car in production and it would go away just like the Camaro & Firebird did. GM has already stated that when the new Camaros make their debut, the V6 will account for the majority of sales. It's the only way they can afford to produce the car. It's just a fact of life.

[saleen342]

v6 stangs are weak, they should just cough up the extra dollars and get the v8

Just like all the people who drive the 318, 325 and 328i should just cough up the extra dollars and get 330i or M car. (because those cars are weak too)

[dswads34]

Just like all the people who drive the 318, 325 and 328i should just cough up the extra dollars and get 330i or M car. (because those cars are weak too)

So I believe you are kidding, if not, then I'm not sure we can be friends :mad . Point well made though, as the "should've just gotten the v8" comment seems to be far too common considering it seems like a majority of owners on here have a 325/328 etc...

[fjord7302]

I've driven and owned many BMWs thru the years. I appreciate their well balanced nature. I also like them modified(suspension/motor). With that said, there is nothing like 511hp and 500ft/lb torque(dynoed). And yes it stops and handles about as well as a rear leaf suspended car can with re-configured front suspension geometry. I can truly say THIS IS American muscle.

Cris

[EuroCar]

Dang, I'll have to start racing v6 stangs in my sable....

eurocar318, I've been driving around a 318ti for the last few days, and that thing is insanely quick for a 4cyl.....It can walk away from my sable all day long, so its quicker than 15.8's....rofl
Andrew
:shifty i think your kidding??

the 318 is slow as balls, but nothing like the 10.1 0-60 and 17.5 or w/e is posted on this forum.

and unless that 318 has a couple of mods i dont think it will hit high 15's. Maybe.. idunno. my point was that V6 mustangs fall on thier face for what they are and could barely beat a 318 through the quarter which is sad.

Why is this thread still going?

[saleen342]

So I believe you are kidding, if not, then I'm not sure we can be friends. Point well made though, as the "should've just gotten the v8" comment seems to be far too common considering it seems like a majority of owners on here have a 325/328 etc...

Just trying to make a point. We can't all afford the biggest and baddest.

[dswads34]

Just trying to make a point. We can't all afford the biggest and baddest.

Fair enough. I, for one, drive a 325 b/c I am in school (just finished applying to pharmacy school), and can't cough nearly hard enough to get a M (or even a gt stang)... but whatever, I beat a non-v8 stang in a non-M car, and I can live w/ that, at least until I start making 100k/yr + :evil2

[GuitarKid93]

I beat v6 camaro's and firebirds all the time, but then again I do have a 3.91 auto rear, haha and I also top out at like 115... Good kill Only mustang I would own in a 03 cobra..

[s10mafia50]

i think your kidding??

the 318 is slow as balls, but nothing like the 10.1 0-60 and 17.5 or w/e is posted on this forum.

and unless that 318 has a couple of mods i dont think it will hit high 15's. Maybe.. idunno. my point was that V6 mustangs fall on thier face for what they are and could barely beat a 318 through the quarter which is sad.

Why is this thread still going?

Well, the weight of the car now is 2380lbs with a full tank. 95 318ti, 3.45lsd, test pipe, flowmaster 40, dinan chip, k&n filter, 9lb flywheel, kw variant 3 coilovers, bbs RA 17's, hankook rs2's. I have always liked the car when my friend had it, and now I co-own it..... If I ever feel down, I just go drive it...lol. It went high 15's before we shaved off 250lbs.

On the other side of it, yes, v6 mustangs are slow as balls.
Andrew

[RichV]

On the other side of it, yes, v6 mustangs are slow as balls.
Andrew

I think MM&FF got a stock V6 Stang (2003/4) in the 14s (14.9999999 I'm sure) with just a cone filter and changing tire pressures. Sea level, of course. I remember they said that same thing was a challenge in the mid-80s with the 5.0L.

[MagnumX]

why can't we all just get along?:D

[EuroCar]

cuz wer fookin e ballahs mang








:)

[killa325i]

I know that driving a BMW has giving you delusion of grandeur. But that pos you're talking about would rip you a new asshole and look good doing it.

At least the person driving the V6 Mustang doesn't look as foolish as someone driving a 318.

lmao, been a while since i been on here. first off, if we're going to start throwing rocks then game on. i will stand here in front of god and everybody and say that Saleen cars are overpriced and way over-rated. Saleen body enhancements=decent, Saleen build quality=shit, Saleen power to cost ratio=shit....and i'm not going off of second hand information. i happen to be a sales manager at a Ford/Saleen dealer. i've driven the entire line up (except S7) Saleen Focus, S281, S281SC, and S281 Extreme....gimme a break. $49k MSRP on a S281 nets you 33hp over a stock GT Mustang....let me end this on one last thing.....you appear to be a dork and both your cars are gay:alright

[jtspells]

wtf why is this still going?!?! anyway rember hp/weight ratio is quite imporant also i mean look at any semi, the caterpiller 3116 has a turbo i-6 at like 400hp and up and you dont see them raceing from light to light

[neros131]

then you misewell hate on EVERYONE with a 325/328/318..330...etc etc that isnt heavily modded that EVER bothers to race anyone...if you want a fast car spend the extra money and get a M3..(not saying to you as you have one) but thats not really the right attitude to take..unless if you feel the same way for everyone in this kill section without an M or FI/heavily modded car




and what did you own before the 335i...im sure now you're just king shit with that car huh...some people like the styling of the mustang and heaven forbid they cant afford the extra 5k for a GT..they should just settle for a scion or honda right? Well...i dont respect people in NON M cars...they're just going for that "image", there's too much of an arrogant attitude among this board sometimes...

Thanks for the opinion.

Non-M doesnt mean you cannot drive, and definately doesnt mean it cant be fast.

[saleen342]

lmao, been a while since i been on here. first off, if we're going to start throwing rocks then game on. i will stand here in front of god and everybody and say that Saleen cars are overpriced and way over-rated. Saleen body enhancements=decent, Saleen build quality=shit, Saleen power to cost ratio=shit....and i'm not going off of second hand information. i happen to be a sales manager at a Ford/Saleen dealer. i've driven the entire line up (except S7) Saleen Focus, S281, S281SC, and S281 Extreme....gimme a break. $49k MSRP on a S281 nets you 33hp over a stock GT Mustang....let me end this on one last thing.....you appear to be a dork and both your cars are gay

First of all, the base model Saleen S281 has a MSRP of $43k, that's from the Saleen website. Second, you're a sales manager and you still drive a E30 Bimmer? LOL I could take a 20 year old Mustang GT with 200k miles on it and still kick your ass. How do I know this? Because I use to own a 84 320i that spend more time in the shop than it did on the road. After a little over a year of ownership I traded it in for a 85 Mustang GT. That GT would run circle around that POS Bimmer I use to own.

I had a 74 Datsun 260Z before the BMW. That Z car was the most reliable car I ever owned until I bought the 85 GT. The 85 GT went for 300k miles before I sold it.

I still like Bimmers like the M cars and the 330 and 335i. It's just I know from experience that all cars are not perfect. So grow up little boy before you try to talk shit to me.