View Full Version : Can you get traction with a twin screw SC?
It's been a while since I've been here in the E36 M3 forum. I spend most of my time in the E30 and OT sections. My little E30 318i daily driver has taken me over 200K miles now (getting me 30MPG) and I do my best to keep her running smoothly.
Meanwhile I have put about 1K miles on the M3 in the past two years. It is stored up in a garage a few hours from my house because I don't have a garage.
In a "where have you been" moment, I just read about the twin screw SCs for the E36 M3. Wow!
~400HP, ~360Ftlbs sound FANTASTIC!
In stock form, the E36 M3 gets great traction off the line. I'm always amazed at how quickly it can bite. With all the additional torque and HP, how well does the E36 M3 perform? Is the car scary with that much power? Is it out of control?
Also, do people like the Eurosport or the AA kit better?
Estrl M3
10-10-2006, 12:39 PM
Ill be the first to say Eurosport has the superior kit.
and traction can be an issue but it depends on conditions
bayareabmw
10-10-2006, 12:51 PM
thats a good question.
Mad Dog 20/20
10-10-2006, 12:51 PM
Traction for what? Drag racing, track or what?
I would think fitting some fat rubber (at least 265's) would be a high priority for anyone seeking to get on it at corner exit or from a dig . . .
tpb31
10-10-2006, 01:09 PM
Ill be the first to say Eurosport has the superior kit.
and traction can be an issue but it depends on conditions
What makes Eurosports kit superior?
cannan
10-10-2006, 01:44 PM
Your question is probably better suited for the Force Induction Section where there is "real" knowledge about these products.
justaddcoffee
10-10-2006, 01:57 PM
swing by the FI forum. there's growing list of good reviews on both AA and eurosport kits. i have the AA kit, and once we figured out the bug in my install (had some turbulence near the HFM which threw off the AFRs), it's a solid, sharp and fast.
best recommendation: take one for a drive. i think you'll be impressed.
Per the suggestions, I've just posted the same question in the FI forum.
I'm 100% sure that the power is great. I'm just worried that the extra power will make the car tail happy, unpredictable, and unbalanced.
M3BimmerBilly
10-10-2006, 02:04 PM
I'm 100% sure that the power is great. I'm just worried that the extra power will make the car tail happy, unpredictable, and unbalanced.
Your foot/brain will control that.
joenationwide
10-10-2006, 02:21 PM
you can get traction, but you'll need some 315's like megatron.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/megatronSM-1.jpg
Carbonized
10-10-2006, 03:31 PM
When going w/ a kit that produces 400+hp to the wheels you're more than likely gonna want an upgraded clutch and lightweight flywheel... probably an M5 setup? Search the FI forum, everything has been tested.
Peace
//B
Sadiq
10-10-2006, 03:34 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/megatronSM-1.jpg
yikes whats with that wing? does the owner think hes a 16 yr old with a 92 civic? its weird cuz the rest of the car is badass...
Mad Dog 20/20
10-10-2006, 03:51 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/megatronSM-1.jpg
yikes whats with that wing? does the owner think hes a 16 yr old with a 92 civic? its weird cuz the rest of the car is badass...
Pretty common for a 400hp track car to have a wing. If the wing is for street and autocross, then its kinda odd.
Stück
10-10-2006, 03:54 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/megatronSM-1.jpg
yikes whats with that wing? Its devistatingly effective despite being an eyesore.... racecars don't mod for looks.
Phat Ham
10-10-2006, 04:12 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/megatronSM-1.jpg
yikes whats with that wing? does the owner think hes a 16 yr old with a 92 civic? its weird cuz the rest of the car is badass... This car placed 3rd in SM at nationals this year...
JamesM3M5
10-10-2006, 04:15 PM
Yeah, big wing for slower autocross speeds. That wing would slow the car down on a racecourse, but it's right on for autocross.
Oh, and sure, the E36 has plenty of traction for a turbo or twinscrew for normal street and even track use. Randy drove his with a stock clutch and 245 wide hoosiers at the track until last weekend. The only reason he upgraded the clutch was that we installed a 330i 6-speed. Drag racing will burn up a stock clutch, but experienced drivers will have no problem with a stock clutch and a turbo or TS at the track or around town.
Sadiq
10-10-2006, 04:35 PM
hmmm... didnt know those particular ones were actually functional.
///M3///M5
10-10-2006, 04:53 PM
I am right on the verge to losing traction in 2nd gear, and of course you cannot floor it in first. But like many have said, the linear power makes it very easy to control.
Theodore
10-10-2006, 05:14 PM
hmmm... didnt know those particular ones were actually functional.
Every once in awhile I'll see a Civic or similar car flying down the highway with a wing like that. The back end is almost always slammed to teh ground. :D
megatron
10-12-2006, 10:43 PM
as for the original question, my car was hopeless on street tires with the twinscrew. with the 315 r-comps, no rear bar, a fairly aggressive diff ramp and alignment, you can pretty much stand on it in 2nd and it will stick most of the time. at higher speeds, with the aero working the car is pretty glued and you can do pretty much any input and the car will do it.
i found even the uuc stage 2 m5 setup would not hold the power. the screw spun that clutch with a quickness. had to go to a uuc cermetallic setup.
yikes whats with that wing? does the owner think hes a 16 yr old with a 92 civic? its weird cuz the rest of the car is badass...
yah when people in the class started putting these wings on, we were pretty much shaking our heads at how ridiculous things were looking. actually the wing will likely need to go a little bigger and more vertical for next year. the car also has a 6" splitter on front and the aero balance is pretty good, so adding some to back may hurt the aero balance unless the front can be more effective. with the power levels these street mod cars will see next year, the . car isn't built to win any fashion shows, but have some ideas some ideas to make the whole setup look a little better... we'll see.
if you think this wing is big, here's some of the other street mod cars... 06 was definitely the year of the wing (thanks teamwtf.org):
vic's car... the street mod wing pioneer and 04, 05 street mod national champion:
http://teamwtf.org/gallery/albums/album646/prof06_sm_019.sized.jpg
bob's car, the 06 street mod national champion:
http://teamwtf.org/gallery/albums/album646/prof06_sm_036.sized.jpg
note: notice the wing on the z06 in the background. :) 500 something horse on that puppy! also the splitter on the 240 in the foreground. :)
on the question of twinscrew preference, of course eurosport! :) the eurosport supercharger has proven itself time and again in environments when it lives pretty much its whole life under punishment - the top two street mod solo cars at nationals this year, in neil's car running the one lap of america, in uil's car running track event after track event, and so on. awesome setup!
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