supercharger or turbo?

[bayareabmw]

i am on the verge of saving up for a AA supercharger.. my goal with my car is to get 550 to the wheels.. and a supercharger is a cheap easy jump to help me get up there.. but i was also wondering is it worth saving another 5 grand and getting the turbo.. whats safer.. which is better... can i get some feedback please? thanks...

[DarksideE36]

You pretty much need a turbo to reach your goal. Not only that but you will need much more than a "kit" to reliably run that kind of power.

[Estrl M3]

Not going to happen with a SC, Never been done before. and a Turbo kit to run taht kind of power will be VERY expensive. why do you want so much power? at 550 to the wheels thats no longer DD, it becomes a burden, gonan have a tough time getting traction also

[Carbonized]

Yeah, your goal seems a little unrealistic, and you being in Cali certainly doesn't work in your favor either. Save for an M5 and Dinan SC it if you want those kind of figures while being CARB legal (I think that would be in the range of 600+HP at the crank).

Peace and good luck w/ whatever you decide to do... personally I'd say just enjoy your M3 and keep saving for that supercharger (I seriously think your only option will be the Dinan setup though for California, correct me if I'm wrong people)
//B

[HBpredhunter]

aggreed, 400 rwhp will have you beating any ferraris or lambo's.

550 would be like 9 second quarter with drag slicks big enough.

[bayareabmw]

im not worried about the smog haha.. what do you guys suggest about the hp.. i just want to be fast.. everyone of my friends have 12 second cars.. i love the turbo kits that AA makes but there just so god damn expensive.. and the supercharger twin screw says it gives the same hp for 5000. less.. plus i wont have to lower my compression or anything.. my plan is to rebuild the motor and throw something in it at the same time because why not build it while the motor is open.. shrickk cams and all that good stuff i just need to know the best way to go for the cleanest hp..

[Estrl M3]

Eurosport TS is best setup, again though being in Cali i call you crazy. and 550 at the wheels is like 700 crank, not sure where you pulled that rediculous number from but 550 at the wheels is NOT a streetable car.

[bayareabmw]

ok ok.. prolly not 550 to the wheels more like 549 to the wheels? haha just kidding.. i dont know i just want a good reasonable number... where can i look up this Eurosport TS?

[Estrl M3]

400 at the wheels is Plenty!.... Eurosport (http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/supercharger.html)
Very nice system.. i would get it if i wasn't in Cali

[bayareabmw]

why whats so wrong about not getting it if you live in cali?

[Gregg]

Why not turbo charge your supercharger?

[Estrl M3]

Smog :shifty

[bayareabmw]

WELL YEAHH DUH.. haha but i can get that done easy... im not worried about that like i said.. i just pay a little extra... but are there any other problems..p.s. thanks for helping so far bro..

[94is]

There is a 400rwhp s/c e36 for sale right now in Cali. :devillook

[Estrl M3]

There is a 400rwhp s/c e36 for sale right now in Cali. :devillook

Like i said 400Whp is do-able, 550 not so much, as for the "pay" a lil extra comment those people are becoming few and far between as penalties can range up to five years in prison now for non legit smog

[///M3 CRAZY]

first off go spend a little time in the FI section. second if the turbo kit is too expensive then 550 to the wheels is completely out of the question for you. 550 to the wheels is doable but so expensive to get to, and completely unreliable. also when looking into FI you need to think torque not hp. i don't think you completely understand hp. what was the fastest car you have been in and what did you think of it compared to the m3?

[M Dizzle]

too much money and too little knowledge...

sorry to be harsh but please research for awhile and make sure you know what you're getting into...before trying to show up your friends

[beamz]

man get a turbo, screw a supercharger turbos the way to go and throw on a phat blow off valve to get that hisssssssssss

[tpb31]

man get a turbo, screw a supercharger turbos the way to go and throw on a phat blow off valve to get that hisssssssssss

and then you too can be an Icy Hot Stunna

[jvit27]

It will cost you at least $20k to get 550whp. Have you ever driven a car with that much power? People get these #'s fixated in their heads. 400whp is very fast for a street car.

Sell the M3 and buy a Supra or Cobra.

[raoke]

Wasnt there a guy with custom turbo made by a forum member, and then tuned by nickg for around 3k?

[pbonsalb]

Chances are that if you make 550 rwhp, you have spent $3000 on tuning alone in getting there.

Philip Bradley

[BMWManiac]

Wasnt there a guy with custom turbo made by a forum member, and then tuned by nickg for around 3k?

Yeah, but he probably knew what the hell he was doing. No offense but this guy wants it all for pennies which tells me he doesn't even belong behind a car with 550rwhp...

[drsides]

i am on the verge of saving up for a AA supercharger.. my goal with my car is to get 550 to the wheels.. and a supercharger is a cheap easy jump to help me get up there.. but i was also wondering is it worth saving another 5 grand and getting the turbo.. whats safer.. which is better... can i get some feedback please? thanks...

do both. turbo and super.

the only question is which one comes first and do you need an intercooler between them....

then maybe a nice, two stage, 300hp shot of NOS just in case you cant pull away from that top fuel dragster....

[Estrl M3]

do both. turbo and super.

the only question is which one comes first and do you need an intercooler between them....

then maybe a nice, two stage, 300hp shot of NOS just in case you cant pull away from that top fuel dragster....

Twin charging is the only way to go now days... Use the SC to spool up a fatty turbo

[bayareabmw]

ok you guys are taking this way outa hand.. i never said i want to go to the dollar tree and build my car... and i never really wanted 550 to the wheels that was a joke.. i just wanted to know what was the better route supercharger or turbo... AND I DONT WANT A TWIN CHARGER what ever its called haha... just yes or no on supercharger or turbo pick one plus one and thats it.. thanks..

[BMWManiac]

I think the CF centrifugal charger with the setup that Jim of KO performance, Croak, and Marco and many others have would be the way to go. Option two is the twinscrew, and then option three would be Turbo.

As much as I love the turbo, I think having a supercharger with 400 to the wheels would give you that feeling of a V8 or V10 pulling and be the way to go.

[eXpLiCiT]

Look into techniquetuning.com the stage 1 kit should keep you happy for a while. You'll be running low 12s with that. Stage 2 will drop you about another second.

[raoke]

Yeah, but he probably knew what the hell he was doing. No offense but this guy wants it all for pennies which tells me he doesn't even belong behind a car with 550rwhp...

do you know who he is? i been looking for the thread and going though a couple 10+ page ones with no luck.

[giterdone]

okay, this just seems retarded. the power is nearly impossible to get to with our cars. They just are set up good enough to reach that. Also, this guy can't form an opinion of his own. He wants people to pick out his oil becuase he doesn't want to do the research. he wants somebody to pick out his FI set up becuase he doesn't want to do the research.

My possible future goal is a technique tuning stage 1 as said earlier. ///3oris has one on his totally bone stock e36 m3, and is pushing 349whp. If you do as much as put an aftermarket exhaust you will get 10-20more horsepower. Talk to Themadhatter, he has either a stage 1 or stage 2. He loves the thing, it is also relatively economical (about $8k I believe for stage 1...or maybe $6k). The stage 2 last I saw was about $2k more. It will bump you about another 100hp I think is what themadhatter told me. (i'm trying to remember from a conversation of about 1 1/2 years ago...forgive me for my vagueness).

Honestly though, spend time in the FI section, learn a bit about FI systems. Don't just slap it on, becuase you will kill a perfectly good car due to your ignorance.

[racegate]

I think 550whp is definitely achieveable, but I'm not sure how reliable the motor would be.. check maximumpsi dot com website. (sorry can't post URLs)

My play car is a ~700rwhp Supra, and I use my M3 as a DD. To be perfectly honest, I find the M3 a little underpowered, even for daily driving, in N/A form. I think a 300whp M3 would be perfect for DD, and a 400whp would be outstanding. I don't think I'd want any more power than that for the DD because of the headache involved.

I don't think it would be too expensive to put together a turbo kit if you are proficient with turbos, and can do the labor. EBAY sells a manifold for under $200, turbo would be $1000ish (for a GOOD one, less expensive for a more common turbo), $300 for a WG.. etc. You could do it for well under $3K if you go about it smartly.

I just wonder on the reliability of the engine with 300, 400, 500whp? I don't think I will bother doing any bolt-on mods since the cap is around ~250whp not including cams.

[giterdone]

I think 550whp is definitely achieveable, but I'm not sure how reliable the motor would be.. check maximumpsi dot com website. (sorry can't post URLs)

My play car is a ~700rwhp Supra, and I use my M3 as a DD. To be perfectly honest, I find the M3 a little underpowered, even for daily driving, in N/A form. I think a 300whp M3 would be perfect for DD, and a 400whp would be outstanding. I don't think I'd want any more power than that for the DD because of the headache involved.

I don't think it would be too expensive to put together a turbo kit if you are proficient with turbos, and can do the labor. EBAY sells a manifold for under $200, turbo would be $1000ish (for a GOOD one, less expensive for a more common turbo), $300 for a WG.. etc. You could do it for well under $3K if you go about it smartly.

I just wonder on the reliability of the engine with 300, 400, 500whp? I don't think I will bother doing any bolt-on mods since the cap is around ~250whp not including cams.
well yeah, 550+ is possible, but I doubt as a DD. If you want that power as a DD, get a FD or a Supra.

Also, you may be right on how cheap it could be to turbo it, but that is if you know what you are doing. I seriously doubt this guy knows anything on the subject.

[wushucivic]

okay, this just seems retarded. the power is nearly impossible to get to with our cars. They just are set up good enough to reach that. Also, this guy can't form an opinion of his own. He wants people to pick out his oil becuase he doesn't want to do the research. he wants somebody to pick out his FI set up becuase he doesn't want to do the research.

My possible future goal is a technique tuning stage 1 as said earlier. ///3oris has one on his totally bone stock e36 m3, and is pushing 349whp. If you do as much as put an aftermarket exhaust you will get 10-20more horsepower. Talk to Themadhatter, he has either a stage 1 or stage 2. He loves the thing, it is also relatively economical (about $8k I believe for stage 1...or maybe $6k). The stage 2 last I saw was about $2k more. It will bump you about another 100hp I think is what themadhatter told me. (i'm trying to remember from a conversation of about 1 1/2 years ago...forgive me for my vagueness).

Honestly though, spend time in the FI section, learn a bit about FI systems. Don't just slap it on, becuase you will kill a perfectly good car due to your ignorance.

i find it funny that you call him retarded and tell him he needs to do a bunch of research and you can't even post the correct info for him as a start with. both Boris and Ron currently have TT stage 2. also your prices for TT kits are all wrong. stage 2 is only $900 more than stage 1.

550 is nowhere near "nearly impossible" there are quite a few guys with that power level on the board. granted it is pretty expensive to get there but considering we have one car which is at 1000+ whp (ics bumble bee) and two cars that will be there very soon cameron and card counters cars, the 550 range just doesn't seem that stratospheric anymore.

to the OP go read around the FI section a bit. you might want to start with these threads http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494924
and
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=521046

if you want to spend less than an AA turbo kit your best bet would be TT stage 1, TRM stage 1, eurosport twinscrew, AA twinscrew, or a VFE stage 1 blower. with all of those options you will be at minimum 300+whp and still come in under $10K. good luck

[Kgizzle1]

definately turbo i make so much power with mine.

[///M3 CRAZY]

don't forget that at a certain point the m3 loses it's feel. i think 400 is max on a m3 that you want to still feel like an m3. the sweet spot is about 350rwhp.

[raoke]

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=600217

[mobil1]

Turbo for 550 at the wheels. Easier to achieve.

Why so much? My goal is 400-430 to the wheels. Plenty for a DD.

[giterdone]

i find it funny that you call him retarded and tell him he needs to do a bunch of research and you can't even post the correct info for him as a start with. both Boris and Ron currently have TT stage 2. also your prices for TT kits are all wrong. stage 2 is only $900 more than stage 1.

550 is nowhere near "nearly impossible" there are quite a few guys with that power level on the board. granted it is pretty expensive to get there but considering we have one car which is at 1000+ whp (ics bumble bee) and two cars that will be there very soon cameron and card counters cars, the 550 range just doesn't seem that stratospheric anymore.

to the OP go read around the FI section a bit. you might want to start with these threads http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494924
and
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=521046

if you want to spend less than an AA turbo kit your best bet would be TT stage 1, TRM stage 1, eurosport twinscrew, AA twinscrew, or a VFE stage 1 blower. with all of those options you will be at minimum 300+whp and still come in under $10K. good luck
Thanks for correcting me. As I said I was going off of memory and convos from a year and ahalf ago. Before I came to this god forsaken country (November 05) Boris was still on stage 1. Ron was either contemplating the stage 2 or just moved up. I couldn't quite remember. At the time, he did tell me it was "only" 1 or 2k more. Also, I do remember seeing guys with 550+. I'm not sure how streetable they were, and lots of debate was goinig on if it could be a DD. I know it can be achieved. Hell with the right amount of money you can achieve any power you want.

None the less, I did post errors, and I apologize. I thank you for righting my errors and putting me in my place.