whos kit is better AA or TT?

[HBpredhunter]

i dont want to make a custom kit i just want to buy something and put it on the car.

aa or TT? aa is a couple grand more... any input?

im pondering going with a cam kit and valve springs OR going turbo. im not looking for huge amounts of power, stage 1 but as long as i can hit 280-300 rwhp id be happy.

[dredder]

i dont want to make a custom kit i just want to buy something and put it on the car.

aa or TT? aa is a couple grand more... any input?

im pondering going with a cam kit and valve springs OR going turbo. im not looking for huge amounts of power, stage 1 but as long as i can hit 280-300 rwhp id be happy.
AA or TT are pretty much your only option for obd2 cars. Unless you want to go all out with stand alone

[spooltime]

From what I have seen, the TT kit would (and will) be my first choice. The 60-1 turbo included has a little more headroom and the MAF setup/tuning approach is done the right way. Take the money you save and step up to stage 2 or get a GT3076R with it.

[Shuasha]

Read my sig. :)

[DanR]

I have an AA kit, I got it cheap, if I had to do it over again and was buying a kit I would go with TT. Not that my AA kit is bad, I made 315rwhp/348trq on a Dyno Dynamics rig with the stage 1 kit and a full 3" exhaust.

[paul e]

TT all the way. There are innovative touches on his kit that dont appear anywhere else. You have to remember that TT developed his kit out of a complete and utter dissatisfaction with what was out there in our market.. He tried the competition, and was so disillusioned by it that the only remedy was to build his own! So he made damn sure all of the issues on the competition's kit were solved in his. He used his know-how to build the perfect kit for his car. And then he decided to offer it to the world at a good price.

[DakarDave]

I have an AA kit, I got it cheap, if I had to do it over again and was buying a kit I would go with TT. Not that my AA kit is bad, I made 315rwhp/348trq on a Dyno Dynamics rig with the stage 1 kit and a full 3" exhaust.

+1

I also have a AA kit, and I got it on the cheap (read: cheaper.. not give away) thanks to George@ICS.

I eventually went with TT tuning.. and it was night and day. I've also seen a couple of TT kits in person, and if I could turn back time... The TT kit is what I would get. You'll get a better turbo, better tuning and an all around better engineered product (for example TT has a blow thru setup.. AA is draw-thru, better piping to the intake side of the turbo.. etc)

-Dave

[LynxZ3r0]

+1 for TT. No regrets.

[dredder]

(for example TT has a blow thru setup.. AA is draw-thru, better piping to the intake side of the turbo.. etc)

-Dave


Is there really any disadvantages/advantages for this setup?

[DakarDave]

Is there really any disadvantages/advantages for this setup?

yeah, lots of advantages.. but the key engineering one is: with a draw thru system(AA), if blow off a pipe connection between the MAF and throttle body, the car won't run. This can leave you stranded on the side of the road...

this won't happen with a blow thru system (TT). :)

Another thing, is that with a draw thru system (AA) you have the HFM resticting the intake to the turbo.. anything restricting the turbo's ability to breath is not a good thing.

Do a search on this, you'll find a bunch of pros for the blow thru (TT) - and very little cons.

-Dave

[dredder]

yeah, lots of advantages.. but the key engineering one is: with a draw thru system(AA), if blow off a pipe connection between the MAF and throttle body, the car won't run. This can leave you stranded on the side of the road...

this won't happen with a blow thru system (TT). :)

Another thing, is that with a draw thru system (AA) you have the HFM resticting the intake to the turbo.. anything restricting the turbo's ability to breath is not a good thing.

Do a search on this, you'll find a bunch of pros for the blow thru (TT) - and very little cons.

-Dave
Isnt Card Counter old ECU tune a draw thru? Thats 630rwhp.


yeah, lots of advantages.. but the key engineering one is: with a draw thru system(AA), if blow off a pipe connection between the MAF and throttle body, the car won't run. This can leave you stranded on the side of the road...

I drove my car without piping for 1hr limp mode. I dont not want to make this a which kit is better thread. But i gues the title speaks for itself. I know nickG's tune is outstanding. Using a non bmw MAF is a difficult task. I cant imagine the research and delopment trying to get a non-BMW maf transfer created.

[Morfeus17]

Sorry Dumb question:

I know that AA= Active Autowerkes
Whats TT?

[LynxZ3r0]

Sorry Dumb question:

I know that AA= Active Autowerkes
Whats TT?

Technique Tuning (www.techniquetuning.com)

[Jean-Claude]

I know you didn't include it in your 2 options, but it should be.

The Racers Market kit.

[dredder]

I know you didn't include it in your 2 options, but it should be.

The Racers Market kit.
TRM ftw

[binh]

TT is fully bolt on. I didn't need to go to the hardware store once for ANYTHING. It can be installed in about 20 hours.

As for results, an obd1 car put down 350whp on 8psi and the car has run 12.3 at 115mph at the track so far. That was with a grandmother launch and regular tires.

I installed this on my friends car. I will be going custom myself because i'm picky with parts and want 450-500 whp...

[ADVANT123]

I know you didn't include it in your 2 options, but it should be.

The Racers Market kit.


The Racer's Market doesn't have an OBD2 kit..

[highboostingm3]

TT is fully bolt on. I didn't need to go to the hardware store once for ANYTHING. It can be installed in about 20 hours.

As for results, an obd1 car put down 350whp on 8psi and the car has run 12.3 at 115mph at the track so far. That was with a grandmother launch and regular tires.

I installed this on my friends car. I will be going custom myself because i'm picky with parts and want 450-500 whp...
Excellent post!

Among all the other things mentioned:

AA=$8700
TT=$6800

AA=~300whp (nothing else upgraded)
TT=~350whp (nothing else upgraded)

AA=12.79@110 in 1/4 mile
TT=12.30@115 in 1/4 mile

NUFF SAID! :smoke3

[///M3Turbo]

I looked at AA's kit for the longest time. Found TT's kit and waited over a year for it. Glad I made the right choice!!!

[LynxZ3r0]

I looked at AA's kit for the longest time. Found TT's kit and waited over a year for it. Glad I made the right choice!!!

+1. I had actually never even considered AA because of the price. Was going to go custom at first, but then found the TT kit and said.. "I can either have the car down for a month or two doing my R&D and building my setup... or I can have, for a few extra dollars, not much in reality, a tried and true 350whp setup on the car in a weekend.

[HBpredhunter]

you guys rock thanks for the advice. i think im pretty set on which kit id shoot for.

now my only question is, do i go na or turbo.

im not expecting to make similar power obviously but i love turbo cars and i love high strun na motors.

if i did turbo id prolly just go stage 1, i dont need to be faster than 12's and if i go na id pull the head, go thinner headgasket, send the head out to get worked and get cams, springs, valves... prolly land me in the 275-290 rwhp range according to dynos from people doing the sunbelt cam kit...

what you guys think?

oh yea, and if i want flames to shoot out of my exhuast, would i just have to remove the cats with a stage 1 turbo kit or is that not enough power.. id love to shoot flames!

[SM3]

CES Motorsports kit. Full T304 stainless, Gene at AA can give you more info.

[highboostingm3]

you guys rock thanks for the advice. i think im pretty set on which kit id shoot for.

now my only question is, do i go na or turbo.

im not expecting to make similar power obviously but i love turbo cars and i love high strun na motors.

if i did turbo id prolly just go stage 1, i dont need to be faster than 12's and if i go na id pull the head, go thinner headgasket, send the head out to get worked and get cams, springs, valves... prolly land me in the 275-290 rwhp range according to dynos from people doing the sunbelt cam kit...

what you guys think?

oh yea, and if i want flames to shoot out of my exhuast, would i just have to remove the cats with a stage 1 turbo kit or is that not enough power.. id love to shoot flames!
Everyone on here that I have seen going big with NA switched to turbo and wished they went turbo in the first place.

[nickdrivesm3]

you guys rock thanks for the advice. i think im pretty set on which kit id shoot for.

now my only question is, do i go na or turbo.

im not expecting to make similar power obviously but i love turbo cars and i love high strun na motors.

if i did turbo id prolly just go stage 1, i dont need to be faster than 12's and if i go na id pull the head, go thinner headgasket, send the head out to get worked and get cams, springs, valves... prolly land me in the 275-290 rwhp range according to dynos from people doing the sunbelt cam kit...

what you guys think?

oh yea, and if i want flames to shoot out of my exhuast, would i just have to remove the cats with a stage 1 turbo kit or is that not enough power.. id love to shoot flames!


NA could cost the same as the turbo kit, but the power output is different. You can make a leathal M3 with cams and the right gears. But it wont have the top end like a turbo. The cams limit your options, unlike the turbo which can by upgraded. And in order to shoot flames, you need a lot more than a Stg 1 kit. Removing cats wont do a damn...

Personally, NA is natural for the M3. Keeps it humble and original. Kinda like a virgin feeling.

Turbo is a different realm. Some say once you boost, you never go back.

[HBpredhunter]

im not shooting for going big with na, im looking for that 8000 rpm rev happy motor that makes about 300 rwhp... as in, bascially a little hopped up s54, without the s54...

BUT my main concern is shooting flames out my exhauast upon upshifts. what do i gotta do to make that happen!

[highboostingm3]

BUT my main concern is shooting flames out my exhauast upon upshifts. what do i gotta do to make that happen!
You have to go turbo, no way around it.

[HBpredhunter]

well then i think i just made up my mind! i dunno guys, back in the day watching mischeif and seeing dados yellow m3 shoot flames when shifitng, and beating ferraris that kinda just made me want some...

[ADVANT123]

Oddly enough, my turbo setup never spit flames(no cats), but my bolt-on NA setup (also with no cats) occasionally shot out a few flames.

[BaLLZacK]

well then i think i just made up my mind! i dunno guys, back in the day watching mischeif and seeing dados yellow m3 shoot flames when shifitng, and beating ferraris that kinda just made me want some...

What a ricer!!:lol just get some bolt-on flame shooters next to your exhaust hahaha

[HBpredhunter]

your a douche who doesnt want to drive a race engine comon man. the point is to drive an engine with so much balls that it blows flame on upshifts. its the power not the point.

[LynxZ3r0]

BUT my main concern is shooting flames out my exhauast upon upshifts. what do i gotta do to make that happen!

Crummy tuning. :shifty

Flames are caused by an over-rich condition... which for turbos is a little simpler to do than N/A motors... since turbos are generally tuned to run very rich when outside of boost... but yeah... W/ good tuning you probably wouldn't shoot flames even w/o cats.

[HBpredhunter]

im aware of why cars shoot flames, but, its not good but it just looks so badass!

[BaLLZacK]

BUT my main concern is shooting flames out my exhauast upon upshifts. what do i gotta do to make that happen!


im aware of why cars shoot flames, but, its not good but it just looks so badass!

Didn't mean call you a ricer but that was a very ricerish comment..... are you sure you're a tech?:confused

[Driiven]

http://www.gt-eins.de/Bilder/alms2k/jhbmw6.JPG

NA - Check
Good Tuning - Check
Badass - Cheeeeeck

[LynxZ3r0]

http://www.gt-eins.de/Bilder/alms2k/jhbmw6.JPG

NA - Check
Good Tuning - Check
Badass - Cheeeeeck

You forgot one...

Rebuild Engine After Every Race - Check.

[HBpredhunter]

am a tech.. hmm let me check :rolleyes

[Darth Maul]

worry about shooting flames last, after you get the car running and is making the right power.

[Driiven]

You forgot one...

Rebuild Engine After Every Race - Check.

touche... but you gotta pay to play :)
now as for that being on the street thats another story here nor there

[marc1119]

im aware of why cars shoot flames, but, its not good but it just looks so badass!


WTF?
No offense..but are you a BMW tech or an oil change technician at a BMW dealer?

[LynxZ3r0]

WTF?
No offense..but are you a BMW tech or an oil change technician at a BMW dealer?

I promised I wouldn't come back to this thread after he said that, yeah.

And yet here I am.

[HBpredhunter]

you guys are geniune jerks. questioning my professional ability?

i dont need to explain anything to you but yes, i know what im doing.

wow, didnt think id be so fucked with just for thinking a car shooting flames out the exhaust naturally is cool.

[LynxZ3r0]

I'm a dick because of this...


BUT my main concern is shooting flames out my exhauast upon upshifts. what do i gotta do to make that happen!

I responded with the technical reason as to why it happens, which should have given you some clue to the method by which you must go through in order to get what you want. I recieved the arrogant response following:


im aware of why cars shoot flames

Then why did you ask the question? To be cool? To get laughed at?

[marc1119]

you guys are geniune jerks. questioning my professional ability?

i dont need to explain anything to you but yes, i know what im doing.

wow, didnt think id be so fucked with just for thinking a car shooting flames out the exhaust naturally is cool.

I do not think it is a matter of questioning your technical ability....
I have read what you wrote and it simply makes no sense..what you want out of your car...flame balls...???

How about just building a fast car..ehh.without the flame balls?

[Neil]

Wait a second. Would my car be faster with FLAME BALLS??

Neil

[marc1119]

Wait a second. Would my car be faster with FLAME BALLS??

Neil

Yeah..I have to call Karl @ AA, and tell him we need to devise a new revision to the tuning.....The 11 lb boosted, Porsche HFM, 42 lb injected..flame ball version....it should sell like hotcakes....

[coolcarlski]

I do not think it is a matter of questioning your technical ability....
I have read what you wrote and it simply makes no sense..what you want out of your car...flame balls...???

How about just building a fast car..ehh.without the flame balls?Because he's a retarded 20 yr old who heard from somebody that he'd be a mechanic and tech one day when he was 17 yrs old playing with Revell model cars & airplanes.!;)

[Black96m3]

its kind of sad that everyone is flaming him for mentioning that he thinks flames out of the exhaust is cool... lol flaming

[coolcarlski]

its kind of sad that everyone is flaming him for mentioning that he thinks flames out of the exhaust is cool... lol flamingDid you read the whole thread!:confused

[DanR]

My RX7 shot lots of flames, it was cool. Rotaries shoot more fire than piston engines. I think flames are cool and most likley have more mechanical ability than all but a few in this thread ;)

I have heard the M3 pop a few times coming off boost, dunno if it shot any fire though.

I think alot of people need to get over themselves ;)

[LynxZ3r0]

Here (http://www.axdo.net/) this is a Hell of a lot cheaper than fooling with all that turbo crap. Used to do this back in the old days w/ an old spark plug.

And DanR - Yes, rotaries are really good at that. They naturally run VERY rich, which isn't quite so bad for them as it is for piston based engines. I love rotaries, just wish they were a little bit more reliable. :(

I don't think anyone in this thread is full of themselves, I just wish that when people asked a question, they wouldn't come back later and get all rude when someone tells them the answer - Probably because that wasn't the answer they wanted.

Shooting flames is cool as Hell, but the OP lives in California (not Florida, like us lucky ones ;)). Good luck driving that car on the street, ever.

[Juicy Double]

Get the TT kit. Cheaper, and better. AA is quality, just outdone by Nick G.

And so the OP likes flames? So what?

[coolcarlski]

Get the TT kit. Cheaper, and better. AA is quality, just outdone by Nick G.

And so the OP likes flames? So what?No what's funny is that it seems like he does not know why the flames are present in the first place when reading the whole thread!:confused

He gets flamed FTW mostly based on attitude,then knowledge.:buttrock

[Black96m3]

Did you read the whole thread!:confused



:firedevil :b_hot :madflame: :angryfire :flamethro :gasthrowe :rocketwho :smilielaz

god im bored

[HBpredhunter]

how bout close the fucking thread thought u guys were cool to joke around with guess not and im pretty over it.

whoever thinks i suck at what i do obviously i do it better than my online communication skills / typing. i make alot of typos. shoot me.

[highboostingm3]

:flamethro :gasthrowe
So which flame does he want? The green one is kinda cool. Is there a blue one?

Ya know honestly I am pretty sure there is a kit that you install in the exhaust pipe(s) that with the flip of a switch creates flames. That's how they did them in 2F2F I guess. That way it has nothing to do with tuning and the tuning can be spot on. However you must go turbo, just because. :cool

Here we go! :smoke3

Eat My Flames Kit (http://www.eatmyflames.com/)
http://www.eatmyflames.com/images/display_33.jpg

[keeptheuroalive]

If you go with most flame kits and you have a cat expect it to disappear in a little bit with all the fuel getting put through it.

[Studie]

florida fuh life :)

i'd go with the tt if i had 6,800 hanging around.

[EvilOne]

BUT my main concern is shooting flames out my exhauast upon upshifts. what do i gotta do to make that happen!

no...your motor just has to run hot enough and rich enough...my s50 would shoot flames on upshifts with just a chip/intake/straight pipes/aa gen 3

[themadhatter]

how bout close the fucking thread thought u guys were cool to joke around with guess not and im pretty over it.

whoever thinks i suck at what i do obviously i do it better than my online communication skills / typing. i make alot of typos. shoot me.
chill!

[coolcarlski]

chill!OT Damn bro,the #'s on your 3 are KRAZEE! 409,410 Damn!

[themadhatter]

OT Damn bro,the #'s on your 3 are KRAZEE! 409,410 Damn!
thanks man. I am eager to see what she pulls at 14 pounds.

[PlayerN07]

I have an AA kit, I got it cheap, if I had to do it over again and was buying a kit I would go with TT. Not that my AA kit is bad, I made 315rwhp/348trq on a Dyno Dynamics rig with the stage 1 kit and a full 3" exhaust.

How did you get a AA kit cheap!?! How much is cheap? I'm lookin for either a TT or AA kit...