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Jimmie Jazz
07-30-2006, 02:01 AM
I'm writing this DIY to help folks understand the operation of their car's Air Conditioning System, so that basic troubleshooting can take place. I've included some definitions, simple testing and charging procedures using a standard R-134a gauge set, available for rental at most major auto parts chains. As always, exercise common sense and good safety practices when working on your car, and keep in mind I'm not an A/C expert. If you aren't comfortable with the amount (or lack) of detail in this DIY, then please do not attempt any of these procedures. If I run across some good pictures I'll edit this post with them at a later date.


A basic A/C system is a pretty simple mechanism; there aren't a lot of moving parts to worry about. These are the basic pieces in order of operation:


Low Pressure Port (Smaller Connector)
Compressor - Compresses refrigerant into near-liquid state
High Pressure Port (Larger Connector)
Expansion Valve - releases/sprays compressed refrigerant into Evaporator Coil
Evaporator Coil - allows heat contained in cabin air to be absorbed by refrigerant
Condenser Coil - Acts as a radiator for cooling the refrigerant
Filter/Drier - Traps any H20 or debris and keeps it from entering the compressor


The variables include (but are not limited to):

How well the compressor is working (a moving part)
How much refrigerant is in the system loop
How well the Expansion Valve is working (on a BMW, a moving part)
Outside Air temperature
How well the air is circulated past the Evaporator Coil (Inside the cabin),
How well the air is circulated past the Condensor Coil (Outside the cabin)
How well refrigerant is circulated through the system


In troubleshooting, the first thing you'll want to do is to hook up a gauge set (You can 'rent' these from most local auto parts chains at no cost) to the High Pressure and Low Pressure ports of the system, to get an idea of how well the system is functioning and to perform some simple diagnostics.

Keep in mind that the reason the ports are called Low and High "sides" is directly related to which 'side' of the compressor they are located. Remember, the compressor's job is to create high pressure, so the 'high' side is after the refrigerent goes through the compressor.

There are two ports on the system:
The Low Pressure Port
Its location in the flow of the system is before the compressor. This port's connector is the smaller of the two ports. This is where you would add refrigerant (if required) and the hose color on the gauge set is generally Blue.
The High Pressure Port
Its location in the flow of the system is after the compressor. It has the larger of the two ports and the hose on the gauge set is generally Red.


Connect The Gauge Set
With the engine off, hang the gauges from the hood latch mechanism so that you'll minimize tangling of the hanging hoses. Attach the hoses to the high and low pressure ports (they are sized differently, so that you won't confuse them) and open the valves.

Read The Gauges
Even though the gauges have different scales, they should read the same pressure if the engine has been off. You should see around ~125psi on both gauges. If you are reading significantly lower than that, then the system probably needs more refrigerant. If the gauges read zero, the system has a leak and is not holding pressure at all.

Test The Air Conditioning
First, verify the hoses are clear of any moving parts in the engine compartment. Start the car with the A/C on full and roll down the windows. Make sure the compressor's clutch has engaged, let it run for about 5-10 minutes and take a reading. If the compressor's clutch won't engage, the system either has an electrical problem, the compressor's clutch has failed or the refrigerant pressure is too low to allow the system to switch on. A minimum pressure level is required to allow the pressure switch to activate the clutch. This is a safety feature that prevents the compressor from overheating if there is not enough refrigerant in the system to allow for adequate compressor lubrication.

Read the Gauges Again
With the A/C on and the car running, you should see about ~20-30 psi on the low side (Blue) gauge in 70/75-degree weather and about ~200-300psi on the high side (Red). In 100-degree weather, you could see up to ~45psi on the low side. A good rule-of-thumb is that the high side should be roughly 10 times the low side, if the system is operating properly.

If the gauges show lower overall pressures but the high side is still roughly 10 times the low side, then you are probably low on refrigerant, and may have a small leak.

If the gauges show pressure but are still equal while the compressor is engaged, then your compressor is not functioning properly. (make sure both gauge valves are open when you are taking the readings)

If the low side is very low and the high side is very high, then there is a blockage/clog in the system somwhere, likely the expansion valve.

It is normal for the compressor to 'cycle' on and off and you will see this reflected in your readings. Understanding when the compressor is on and when it is off will allow you to take proper readings. You'll be able to hear the change between modes.

Adding Refrigerant
If your troubleshooting has determined that you are low on refrigerant, then you'll need to add some to the system. A valve should come with the rental of the gauge set that allows connection to a standard can of 134a refrigerant.

Attach the R134a Can
Unscrew the handle on the valve all the way, then thread the fitting tightly onto the can of refrigerant. Attach the output of the valve to the Yellow Hose which is connected to the center of the gauge manifold. Close all the valves on the manifold. With the can upright, screw in the valve handle all the way so that the top of the can is punctured by the pin in the handle, then back off the valve a few turns to retract the pin, which allows refrigerant out of the hole. You should hear the hiss of the refrigerant entering the yellow hose.

Let it Flow!
First, verify the hoses are clear of any moving parts in the engine compartment. With the hoses on the gauge manifold connected to the ports, start the engine and turn the A/C on high. Open the Low Side (Blue) Gauge Valve to allow the refrigerant to flow from the can into the system while monitoring the gauge. Keep the can upright, and do not attempt to turn the can upside down during the filling process! It is normal for the can to become very chilled as the refrigerant expands out of the can. If the refrigerant does not flow, verify there is not an intermediate valve which has not been opened, as some gauge manifold sets have a separate, additional shut off valve for the yellow hose. Watch the gauge and when the pressure is within range, close the Low Side (Blue) Gauge Valve, then close the can valve.


Repair Considerations
If the system has been opened to outside air, you'll need to replace the drier/filter to ensure that any moisture inthe system is absorbed by the dessicant in the drier. Most auto parts chains won't warranty the compressor unless the drier/filter is replaced with the compressor. After performing any repairs that 'open' the system to air, you will need to evacuate the air from the system with a vacuum pump, verify that the system can 'hold' a vacuum for 20 minutes or so, and then re-charge the system with refrigerant. If you replace your compressor, remember to buy oil (different types for different cars and refigerant systems) to put into the system, so that your compressor doesn't overheat and fail. The oil is designed to co-exist with the refrigerant. You'll need to ask the parts guy to look up what kind of oil and how much to put in. If your old compressor 'cored out', you may need to flush the entire system, and you may need to completely replace the evaporator and condenser coils, becuase they are nearly impossible to 'flush' adequately.

Thanks to SecretAznMan4u for getting me started on this, and for his assistance in diagnosing my own A/C problem.

HarvesterOfBeer
07-30-2006, 04:17 PM
Nice writeup!

-HoB

hellrot Ofl
07-30-2006, 07:26 PM
finally. thanks a lot

turbo8765
02-22-2007, 03:00 PM
Where is the low refrigerant switch on an e36??

Jimmie Jazz
02-22-2007, 06:06 PM
The "refrigerant switch" is actually a Safety Pressure Switch, Part # 64538362055, priced at $152.89 according to RealOEM.com. According to page 610-10 of the Bentley, the A/C Pressure Switch on 1992-1998 E36 vehicles is located in the "Right front of engine compartment".
I'd look on the compressor first, since that fits the description.
Let us know!

brosher
05-30-2007, 12:33 PM
Thanks for this! Excellent post. I think my pressure is a little low so this will help me diagnose. :D

Glepp
06-05-2007, 03:38 PM
quick question i noticed on my switch in my car that it did not have the two lead wires running off of it that i have seen in diagrams and from the parts list at bmw is there a different version of this switch. Mine seems to just have a clip on the top and lacks the two lead wires that run to the two switch hookups. Im only asking because it broke and my brother was retarded enough to throw out the broken peice so icant even get a # of it.

x2nervisx
06-08-2007, 03:55 PM
quick question i noticed on my switch in my car that it did not have the two lead wires running off of it that i have seen in diagrams and from the parts list at bmw is there a different version of this switch. Mine seems to just have a clip on the top and lacks the two lead wires that run to the two switch hookups. Im only asking because it broke and my brother was retarded enough to throw out the broken peice so icant even get a # of it.


The pressure switch you have is part number 64538362055. E36's 1995 and up came with pressure switches that do not have any leads coming out of it. Cars older than 1995 have the switch with 4 leads and 2 connectors which is a different part number than the one i gave you.

350chevrolet
06-08-2007, 04:12 PM
/ac systems are so easy. all my friends bring their cars to me when they mess the a/c up. personally i never use on my car because it feels like it puts to much darg on my engine and i dont like it.

tonyinvegas
07-23-2007, 09:08 PM
great set of info there.

I have a question, I have a 2000 E39, and my A/C will only blow cold air if its less than around 85F outside, otherwise it blows hot air. The Aux fan comes on fine, and the blower in the car works. I bought a set of gauges today, and with the compresser running I have around 80 low / 150-160 high. I am thinking I have a bad compressor. Any thoughts?

noise boy
07-23-2007, 10:16 PM
^I think you are right, when I fixed & filled my system I showed, 45 low, 165 at idle, so it seems like your high side pressure should be greater, since the low side is. I get about 45 degree air at the dash vents no matter what the weather.

Robert

tonyinvegas
07-23-2007, 10:51 PM
what i find strange is how it works when its not too hot outside. is that because the freon hasn't expanded much due to the lower temperature, and the 'barely hanging on' compressor is able to do its job with the denser freon, but once its hot the compressor cant handle it?

what did you do to fix yours? is there a certain oil i need? Also, what is the procedure for recharging from a system at vacuum?

noise boy
07-23-2007, 10:56 PM
Mine suffered from a bad condensor, so I replaced it and the receiver/dryer assembly, and then pulled a vaccuum on it for about 1/2 an hour, then let it sit with the system still at a vaccuum for about 1/2 an hour more, then 3 cans of R134 later I was in business. Yours seems more like a compressor problem, but the leak check/vaccuum process is the same.

vull
05-09-2009, 04:29 PM
sweet, thanks!

mt_goat
05-20-2009, 11:27 AM
This DIY thread was very helpful, thanks for posting Mr. Jazz. :buttrock

mgthompson
05-20-2009, 01:33 PM
Early E36 have a sight glass on the receiver-dryer. You should add Freon until the bubbles go away.

I usually put a wedge in throttle to bump the RPMs to 1500. Makes adding Freon faster.

Gross328i
05-20-2009, 01:37 PM
Just a tip, when refilling with R134a the can will get cool/cold and seem to stay at that pressure for a while. Fill a small pot with hot water and submerge the can in the water. It will help the coolant to change to a gas and move into your system.

I have a 98 328i and the pressure switch is on the dryer/reciever, which is the silver canister in the "right front corner of the engine compartment".

hamkj
08-04-2009, 01:26 AM
I took my car to a local shop advertising $39 a/c check up.

So they checked all the pressures... everything is good!

The only problem is... on the work order...

Dual Function Switch on the Evaporator Dryer...

Is this the same at the safety pressure switch on the Evaporator Dryer?

Let me know... if it is... I will order from Pelican Parts... or somewhere else if someone has any other suggestions.

hamkj
08-27-2009, 06:23 PM
Thanks for all the help guys! AC blowing cold!!! Took it to Midas for AC inspection. They gave me a list of what needed to be done.. and quoted me approx $400 to complete. I bought the part online for $75 landed to my door. Friend of mine took it in and fixed it... and I will send him a Timmy's Gift Card! THANK YOU!!!

Peak ZJ
07-28-2011, 01:56 PM
My compressor won't turn on when you first turn the A/C on. You have to drive it about 10 minutes before it cuts on.. Its a 97 318i convertible. Full of freon, climate control lights are on, and the aux fan is working.. Any thoughts??

freddybeemer100
07-28-2011, 02:11 PM
Shoudn't the windows be up? I have never seen anyone check a system with the windows down.

paniolo
07-28-2011, 05:48 PM
They do it with windows down, doors open etc to make sure the internal t-stat in an auto mode doesn't start cutting the compressor or fan down. Everything is supposed to be at max cool/ max fan when doing a a/c check.

baseball3
07-29-2011, 11:36 AM
I have a 1986 bmw 325es. I got the a/c checked out by a friend and he said that he couldn't find a leak and it is probably electrical. The air blows but it blows hot. So what could it be? Could it be the compressor? Any ideas?

heifetz17
07-29-2011, 02:01 PM
I have a 1986 bmw 325es. I got the a/c checked out by a friend and he said that he couldn't find a leak and it is probably electrical. The air blows but it blows hot. So what could it be? Could it be the compressor? Any ideas?

Don't have people look at your car that don't know what they're doing. You can't see leaks in the system. You have to use dye and a UV light. Your friend should have started with the compressor. Check that first. If it starts spinning when you switch on the ac it's fine. If the clutch stays still, it's probably bad.

If the clutch does not engange, verify there is power going to it. If so, replace the compressor. If not, you have a wiring problem.

If the compressor is good, check the system pressure. If it's low, fill it up. If it's where it should be, check your low and high pressure swithces, and your evap temp switch. All of those could cause the system to blow hot if they're not working properly.

joeg730
08-31-2011, 09:07 PM
do u know were i can find a parts diagram and were is the flapper door i think i have to replace mine but im not sure what i need to pull to check and i dont want to pull something i dont have too

ThreeM30s
01-21-2012, 05:01 PM
Most common problem I find, apart from leaks, is the expansion valve. It wears out, corrodes internally, externally, etc. On an old Bimmer always check that :)

26kick
09-30-2012, 05:39 PM
Great thread! May I ask a specific a/c question re: 1985 325e?

Best I can tell, I've noticed that my compressor doesn't cycle on/off, it just stays on whenever the a/c is on. On my wife's 1998 328i, I'm used to hearing/feeling the compressor cycle on/off rather obviously, so I figure it should do that as well on the 325e.

I was told that the temp knob has something to do with it, does it? There's a connector with two wires (blue and green/red) coming off of the bottom of it, are they involved?
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j280/26kick/IMG_7091.jpg

On my '90 Vanagon (totally different system, I know), there's a temp sensor connected to a little box that I replaced in order to make the compressor cycle again. Is there something similar on the 325e?

Second question, there's a relay in the dash behind fan switch. Anyone know what it is? At the top of this pic, with green, brown, and white wires.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j280/26kick/IMG_7095.jpg

Thanks!

blanchard
07-02-2016, 08:33 PM
I recently purchased 1998 BMW Z3, with A/C not working. I noticed above the Filter Dryer connector hanging, and the switch is broken and other one is missing. Do I need to change the Filter Dryer and two pressure switches? is there any other parts I need to change?

flyfishvt
07-03-2016, 05:57 AM
I recently purchased 1998 BMW Z3, with A/C not working. I noticed above the Filter Dryer connector hanging, and the switch is broken and other one is missing. Do I need to change the Filter Dryer and two pressure switches? is there any other parts I need to change?

There should only be one pressure switch. The connector for it should have 4 wires going to it. It's a dual action switch. 2 wires for high and 2 wires for low. The switch can be removed while the system is charged. Nothing will,leak out.

blanchard
07-03-2016, 02:12 PM
Yes I see 4 wires going to it.
I also see another open port on the Filter Dryer, I believe its just a dummy?
I am also missing the Ambient Temp sensor, will this affect the A/C function?

flyfishvt
07-04-2016, 05:26 AM
Ambient temp sensor doesn't affect anything in the car. It's only purpose is for the temp display on the OBC.

blanchard
07-11-2016, 02:34 PM
flyfishvt Thanks for all your responses.

I installed new Pressure Switch and everything came alive, Aux Fan, Compressor engages, the pressure in the system is set right. But NO cold air, what area should I look next?

boarder2k7
07-11-2016, 06:29 PM
flyfishvt Thanks for all your responses.

I installed new Pressure Switch and everything came alive, Aux Fan, Compressor engages, the pressure in the system is set right. But NO cold air, what area should I look next?

When you say the pressure is set right, did you check it with gauges? What are the readings? (Including ambient temp and condensor temp)

blanchard
07-12-2016, 12:29 PM
Yes bought a gauge and it showed in blue mark (45psi) at the low-pressure port when I had A/C on. The ambient temp could be around 90 deg, (my ambient temp sensor doesn't work). I had my friend fill Freon for me, he mentioned it was zero (no-pressure) while he was filling. I am planning on vacuuming and re-fill with new stuffs. What all the parts I need to replace while I am there?

1, I already replaced the pressure switch (done).
2, I am planning on purchasing new dryer/ filter unit.
3, I am planning on purchasing expansion valve.
4, How much oil I need?
5, Is there any valves or connectors that need changed?

Brian 328is
07-25-2016, 01:37 AM
How do you test

- low and high pressure switches
- evap temp switch
- expansion valve
- Safety Pressure Switch


Brian

hoodmeister
05-08-2018, 08:53 AM
"In troubleshooting, the first thing you'll want to do is to hook up a gauge set (You can 'rent' these from most local auto parts chains at no cost) to the High Pressure and Low Pressure ports of the system, to get an idea of how well the system is functioning and to perform some simple diagnostics."

Excellent write-up. But, twice in a row now, I have done exactly this, and then realized the compressor was not spinning. Obviously the A/C won't work if that's the case, so THE FIRST thing to do is verify your A/C compressor spins when the A/C is turned on. If not, chase that first.

jc43089
05-08-2018, 03:17 PM
The compressor also will not engage if the system has too low of pressure, just a heads up.

Erick
07-11-2018, 06:36 AM
if compressor and aux fan not getting power, would that indicate a failed pressure switch on the dryer?
Checked freon pressure it is fine

Nanniepoo
07-11-2018, 10:20 AM
"In troubleshooting, the first thing you'll want to do is to hook up a gauge set (You can 'rent' these from most local auto parts chains at no cost) to the High Pressure and Low Pressure ports of the system, to get an idea of how well the system is functioning and to perform some simple diagnostics."

Excellent write-up. But, twice in a row now, I have done exactly this, and then realized the compressor was not spinning. Obviously the A/C won't work if that's the case, so THE FIRST thing to do is verify your A/C compressor spins when the A/C is turned on. If not, chase that first.

If you know how to use the gauges, they'll tell you what the compressor is doing. So it should still be the first step.

Car off, pressure reading will give you a rough idea about how much Freon is in there. There's rough tables comparing ambient temp to your pressure readings. The compressor may not even kick on if the pressure is too low. Car on with AC running you can tell if it's a weak compressor if the delta between low and high isn't enough. Again there's tables you can reference, and easily found on Google.

I bought my own gauge set since I was planning on handling my own AC work and refilling as mentioned by the OP. However the right way to do an AC charge is vacuum out the old and refill by WEIGHT, not until you get to a certain pressure. I have no interest in buying any of that equipment, and based on my last trip to a shop, the diagnosis and refill including dye was only $87, I'll stick to taking my car in for AC work. You can leave moisture and air in the system by just refilling/topping up with a can.

On a side note I did diagnose why our E70 had no AC before taking it in. For anyone familiar with the E70 N62 AC belt situation, it's not the easiest to work with. I was worried I hadn't gotten the belt tight enough which would've presented issues similar to a weak compressor. I was able to rule that out with gauges, and had a strong feeling I was just low on Freon. Still the shop was able to put it under vacuum for 45 minutes (something I couldn't do) to show there wasn't an active leak. Then refilled by weight (again something I can't do), and threw in dye just in case it acts up again.

My E36's AC is currently weak as it's low on Freon and the aux fan doesn't work, so the performance really drops off while stationary. I'll be taking it back to the same shop for a refill after fixing the aux fan and replacing the cabin filter.

scooper
06-05-2023, 09:51 PM
Those of you who have replaced your condenser what brand did you go with? Genuine or OEM like Nissens? How was the fitment of the Nissens (Danish brand)? Thanks.