Sideways into a curb. . . Douh

[The.Quiet.Storm]

Well heres the story short and not so sweet.

We had some rain and i was going round a big wide roundabout (maybe not big enough) and i slamed the gas in 2nd gear. got the car full lock sideways and then started straightening up before it just kicked and shot me the other way towards a nice wall. managed to hold it but in doing so went up a curb and totally f* both the alloys on the left side and smashed the rear left half arm and low arm (i think thats it) myt be called control arms?. i did it about 30mins ago so i havent been able to see anyone about repairs.

Just wondered if anyone else has done this or had similar problems. Am i looking at a big payout?
Cheers
Quiet_Storm

[poop]

Oh No

[Nataliator]

to refurbish them rims will cost you maybe 250 to 300 i guess. thats what i was quoted on for 2 rims, but they were not bent they were just marred up from curb rash. well the control arms, now you have an excuse to get some better arms and bushings

[SiGmA]

Get detailed pics and we can inform you of what you did it to ;)

[Goon]

Post some pictures so we have a decent idea of what we're looking at.

[Daved]

Sorry to hear this.

How come it started straightening up and then it just kicked and shot you to the other way? Were you braking? Did you take the foot off the gas pedal?

[old skool]

This is unfortunately a fairly typical thread. I would do a search and post pics.

I am not sure why you slammed the gas in the rain around a turn....but if you let off the gas it can make the car snap oversteer.

I would take the car and have an estimate done by a reputable body shop.

[shiggarfraggar]

ouch, idid that too:(

[The.Quiet.Storm]

pics will be up soon. i'll try and do it after work later. Wot options have i got for new control arms then?

[The.Quiet.Storm]

Heres some Photos as promised

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/lov_train/Underside.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/lov_train/Positivecamber.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/lov_train/Frontalloy.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/lov_train/Rearalloy.jpg

[jjjjjjj]

i almost fainted after that last one! ouch

yes you car looks bent..may need all new control arms and bushings (mine did and i still was able to keep 2 of my rims because they were scratched but not bent)...maybe even new rims?

[The.Quiet.Storm]

I didnt realise but my back tyres are like slicks. its guna hurt my wallet i know that much. pretty gutted.

[zazen]

oooouuuchhh, those ltw's look naaaasstyyy. good luck with the repair mang

[Daved]

Ouch, the wheels are worse than what I thought. Good luck getting them fixed.

[Shock(/\)ave]

I didnt realise but my back tyres are like slicks.

You need to click this (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=538445).

[The.Quiet.Storm]

You need to click this (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=538445).

Noted. i knew they were on the way out but i neva really checked the insides. Only had the car about 5weeks and i've already had a new clutch (came with a busted clutch thrust bearing) and i just taxed it for 12 months (£175) ouch.

Hopefully there is a place that repairs alloys near where i live. they can remold some of the chunks. only problem is i dont know if the wheel is mishaped. spose i'll find out soon enough.

was seriously thinking that nyt i shud just fix it and cut my losses and then save up for a Scooby. 4WD baby. lol . plus i really want that turbo and dump valve. need to get it out my system before i get older. lol .

[theruss1an1]

i almost fainted after that last one! ouch

yes you car looks bent..WILL need all new control arms and bushings (mine did and i still was able to keep 2 of my rims because they were scratched but not bent)...maybe even new rims?

Fixed. That control arm is bent. Your wheels are probably bent too. Wheel one of them is for sure. If they are not, ur very lucky....

Good luck.

Shock(/\)ave :drool:ing over your car.

-Serge

[AdDiCtIvE 3]

wow, i really hope they can fix those rims!

[The.Quiet.Storm]

wow, i really hope they can fix those rims!

I just went down to a repair place called AlloyMagic. he hasnt seen the rims yet but i showed him a pic and he said he would probably have to get it on the lathe and sort it ryt out. i'll keep u all updated.

As for the underside i'm taking the wheel off 2nyt and havin a proper look. the half arm myt have just popped out. "forgive me for being hopeful" haha

[SimonSingh]

Oh god, the last picture almost made me cry, good luck my friend.

[92E36Sedan]

Control arm is definately bent. You have positive camber in that pic, not negative. If that's the extent of the damage you made out ok.

[The.Quiet.Storm]

Control arm is definately bent. You have positive camber in that pic, not negative. If that's the extent of the damage you made out ok.

i know i've got positive camber. lol . thats y the pic says Positive camber. Postive camber sucks.
But on a plus side i just did the free airbox mod. took off the snorcal and scilencer. sounds meaty. if the engine starts heating up i'll just reatach the snorcal later. but atm the car doesnt drive so theres no hope of ova heating anything. lmao .

[tophermack]

that is some bad ass curb rash. whats up with the gap between the shock mount and the bolt?

[Mr.M]

Sorry to hear this.

How come it started straightening up and then it just kicked and shot you to the other way? Were you braking? Did you take the foot off the gas pedal?

This is very common. The rear is like a pendulum once you brake it loose. If you don't bring it back gently, it will carry momentum through the straight forward position and swing in the other direction. It's not really hard to control if you have basic car control skills. Just GENTLY lift off the throttle to bring it back and counter steer in the opposite direction of the rear end follows through.

[Mr.M]

We had some rain and i was going round a big wide roundabout (maybe not big enough) and i slamed the gas in 2nd gear.
:handclap What a brilliant idea!

Seriously though, do this in an empty, open parking lot with no cars/barriers and actually learn how to control your car before you start doing it on public roads :nono

[The.Quiet.Storm]

:handclap What a brilliant idea!

Seriously though, do this in an empty, open parking lot with no cars/barriers and actually learn how to control your car before you start doing it on public roads :nono

yeah i know that now. U gota learn some how and it looks like i learnt the hard way. no need to rub it in fella.

[The.Quiet.Storm]

Finally got round to towing the poor gurl up my mechanics. He had a look about and told me what parts i had to get.

New wheel (sorta gathered that)
Hub
Low arm
Drive shaft

think i better start putting in some more hrs at the workshop. lol .

[The.Quiet.Storm]

Got all the parts now and its been stressfull.
managed to get a set of wheels with 4 good tyres. a hub , driveshaft and got the low control arm 2day. runnin costs in all amount so far 2 the grand total of £300 i've still gota get it fitted yet. :(
lesson well learnt
i need reminding y i got a bimmer

[Pilgrim]

I highly recommend that you take that car to a good suspension shop and have them look at both front and rear ends to determine how much damage was done. There will be obvious and less obvious damage, and you don't want to end up chasing the problem through piece after piece. Might as well get the whole problem dealt with. You can decide how much to let them fix (if anything) and how much you'll do.

For the wheels, your first choice would be so take them to a shop that trues up bent rims - and see what they can do. If they're not fixable, I suggest checking Ebay for spare rims - people in your situation often end up selling one or two rims and replacing all four with aftermarket rims. MUCH cheaper than buying new rims....and very possibly cheaper than having your current rims fixed.

[The.Quiet.Storm]

I highly recommend that you take that car to a good suspension shop and have them look at both front and rear ends to determine how much damage was done. There will be obvious and less obvious damage, and you don't want to end up chasing the problem through piece after piece. Might as well get the whole problem dealt with. You can decide how much to let them fix (if anything) and how much you'll do.

For the wheels, your first choice would be so take them to a shop that trues up bent rims - and see what they can do. If they're not fixable, I suggest checking Ebay for spare rims - people in your situation often end up selling one or two rims and replacing all four with aftermarket rims. MUCH cheaper than buying new rims....and very possibly cheaper than having your current rims fixed.

Cheers for the advice man. i'll take it on board :stickoutt

[Slick Willi]

now whyd you go do a thing like that

[underhaulin]

I did that with one of my old mustangs. Now I race a mini stock dirt car so you learn how to slide. Sorry to see your car so hurtin' but MR.M Has a good point. Too many crashes can be avoided and lives saved if people would learn the basice of drifting and cornering befor they do it on public roads and possably kill some one. Good luck with the repairs!!!

[onrails318]

i did the same thing a month ago but much worse...if you do the work yourself like i did it'll only cost you about $1000USD.

Front: (didn't show pics so i don't know for sure but investigate the following:)
strut (lower two spindle bolts)
lower control arm
hub (if this is not cracked and the wheel bearing makes no noise then skip this one)

rear
trailing arm and possibly halfshaft (i saw something exposed at the joint...you can source this from a bmw salvage yard as a complete unit, bearing and all. this makes it much easier to fix)
definately lower stamped control arm ( these things twist like pretzels!!)
rear left shock mount. (excessive camber will cause this to stretch more than it's meant to and it will probably fall apart when you drop out the shock)

other than that everything should be okay.. but look over all the bushing and make sure the rear spring perch is reasonably straight. (this thing looks crooked to begin with. the bushing on the spindle will usually give enough so that these don't bend)

these guys are in new jersey and you can get all of the steel parts for a good price. shipping may hurt to england but i don't know anyone over there... 732.791.2331. i don't know how to call another country so send me a message and i could call them for you. Good luck mate!

[Mr.M]

i need reminding y i got a bimmer

For drifting :devillook

[studbike]

some advice: i hit a curb dead on at 45 mph and effed up both of my right wheels. (a curb that juts directly perpindicular into the road just to frame a parking spot...wtf!!) Wheel Collision Center in bath, PA told me one of my wheels was totaled, and hooked me up with a new one, but the other one they fixed up just fine and refinished it. When i recieved both wheels for the life of me i could not tell the difference between the new wheel and the repaired one. they are excellent, im sure if you google it you will get to their website, and they do mail-order also. It cost me $225 for the new wheel and about $160 to repair and refinish the old one.

[The.Quiet.Storm]

I managed to pick these wheels up for £120. set of 4 with 4 good tyres. all they need is a real good polish up and they shud look much better. i cant really arguee with the price. the tyres alone are worth about £200+

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/lov_train/newwheelsresize.jpg

Got the car booked in on tuesday and i've got all the parts that were on the mechanics check list. After its all done i'll have to weigh up the damage and see wot the total costs were.

ONRAILS318 thanx for the info and offering to phone that company in NJ for me, really appreciate it but i think the shippin would kill me. lol .
2weeks and running without a car. i know its guna make me appreacite having her back

[The.Quiet.Storm]

my gurls on the ramps as i type this, getting patched up. Hope everything goes without a hitch. shud know by 2nyt if it all went well. think i need to be gental with her for a while. lol .

[The.Quiet.Storm]

Things didnt run smooth. :(

The driveshaft i got delivered even after i told the blokes on the phone my exact car and engine is the wrong one. thats really annoyed me cause its like £50 down the pan. and also the top arm is aparently cracked so i need to get one of those. all in all i wish i neva had the accident cause atm its cost me about £500.

When shes fixed and running i better be gettin lots of gurls in that back seat otherwise i'm not guna be happy. :mad

[Naw T 3]

Drive safe in the rain rather then flooring it.......

[HOOJ]

Things didnt run smooth. :(

The driveshaft i got delivered even after i told the blokes on the phone my exact car and engine is the wrong one. thats really annoyed me cause its like £50 down the pan. and also the top arm is aparently cracked so i need to get one of those. all in all i wish i neva had the accident cause atm its cost me about £500.

When shes fixed and running i better be gettin lots of gurls in that back seat otherwise i'm not guna be happy. :mad

Mashing the gas around a corner in the rain with intention to get the rear end to swing out is hardly an accident, it's deliberate.

But why did you need a new driveshaft?

The other parts correspond to the type of damage, but there's something suspect about needing a new driveshaft. :confused

[Slick Willi]

did you learn your lesson!? lol

[VNG704]

did the same in an e30 the other night.. sucks....!!!! ...too used to driving my traction controlled/lsd'ed car...

[Listen2me]

Shizer, I could not look at the last pic to long...

[M52 POWER!]

I'd be more concerned about your output shafts, differential, subframe, and shocks than the bent control arm and wheels which are cheaper to replace....

[Zac000]

You are lucky. Those are replica rims. The real ones are like $500 a piece from the stealership. You can probably find some like yours online for way cheaper.

[CrashnburnINC]

I did did pretty much the same thing last summer and the damage on my car was just about the same as yours except i was still at WOT on impact trying to straighten her out. Well anyway my outer cv joint exploded requiring the replacemet of the halfshaft, lower control arm was a noodle, the wheel bearing was crushed, and a differential bearing got damaged. Plan on buying a new trailing arm because the impact could of pressed the halfshaft's splines into the trailing arm. Anyway, good luck with that.

[The.Quiet.Storm]

i had to get a top arm 2day. because thats aparently cracked. then after that its the big pay out to the mechanic. and i finally get her back.
Ive already got rims sorted
As for the driveshaft. if the shaft was in gd working order then i would have driven the thing home, but due to it popping out and bmw having a limited slip diff, it wasnt possible. think the bearings are mashed thats y i need a new one.

[kramgam]

Be careful next time!!!

[Snizare]

This is unfortunately a fairly typical thread. I would do a search and post pics.

I am not sure why you slammed the gas in the rain around a turn....but if you let off the gas it can make the car snap oversteer.

I would take the car and have an estimate done by a reputable body shop.

This may sounds like a n00b question to many of you but what should be done when in an oversteer to regain control of the car? keep the gas pedal depressed? i don't understand...thanks for any light somebody could shed on the issue.

EDIT- didn't realize that poster above me had brought back this thread from the dead. IF somebody knows the answer feel free to post if not: Sorry for bumping an old thread who's OP most likely has their problem fixed by now.

[CrashnburnINC]

Recovering is mostly working the steering wheel to keep the front wheels pointed in the direction where you want the car to go. as for how to modulate throttle, the answer is neither do you want to mash it nor do you want to completely let off. There is a sweet spot in how much power to apply, too much and the end will come around, not enough and it'll come around also. Oh yeah, and don't try to drift her around curves that you don't know very well, at least at first. It'll cost you a couple grand if you screw up. :)

[colombianTEO]

i did the same thing about 2 weeks ago and right now i got all my parts and im working on it, but sorry to hear that dude, i know how that feels bro