Why 328 over 318? (I know why, but pls explain to my dad)

[Righteous]

I tested a 318 Ci 1995 today. It was a perfect car inside and out. It was fun as it was my very first time in an E36. They wanted 9,000 for it. Way too much for a car like this. It also had 93,500 miles. Anyway, from being here for nearly 6 months (i think?) I know to go for a 328 or 325 and skip the 318's in the E36 chassis code. Can someone give a good explanation as to why I would want a 328 over a 318?

[volcomnator999]

power...and better : - )

is there a 318CI? isnt it 318ti?

[HarryB]

he meant 318is probably. Only reason you don't want the 318is is if you don't want power and ify ou do want to get great mileage, plain and simple.

[custom]

more power in 328, possibly more features, better/ easyer re-sale.

[MoyMch]

328 is just a better car all around. More power, more options, and higher resale. Take the 318 for a drive with the A/C on up a hill and your mind will be made up.

[Righteous]

I am 100% sure it was a 318Ci. It was a convertible. Anyway, the 328's gas mileage isn't far from the 318's. So it isn't that big of a plus to get the 318 alone for its gas mileage.

(Edit: just realized they are still called 318i if its a convertible)

[Alpine 318is]

well this is a tough one because its obvious to you why you want the 328 but not obvious to your dad. I would say that 318 are alot harder to sell and drop value quicker. but other than that i can see why it wouldnt make a difference for me. Good luck and i will try to think up some more stuff

[HarryB]

Its still for more power. Wish I could help some more though man. Good luck.

[Tuff Guy]

umm say the 318 is inferior because its older (than 95) and a 328 is the newer version with all the mechanical defects fixed. Its got painted bumpers its gonna have less miles and be a more solid car (damn, you know you are a car salesman that has to work at chevy when u can sell like this) tell your dad to talk to me and ill have you in a e46 m3

[Righteous]

What about the price? KBB says the car is only worth 7,150 and Edmunds says its worth 5,262.

[Righteous]

Or, how about you 318 owners who are telling me to go for a 328? :)

[Tuff Guy]

if you buy a 95 318 for more than 5k your nuts

[Halo923]

if you buy a 95 318 for more than 5k your nuts

agreed.

My 96' 318i was only $4000 with 130kmiles. Power is definately an issue. Also the painted bumpers on the 328's are much better looking. #28's also have better resale and what not, as already mentioned. I am a 318i owner telling you to go for a 328... that's also a good reason:stickoutt

BTW, that $9k pricetag is ridiculous.

[HapaJin]

get the 328. i got a 97 318is and as much as i love it, it needs more power!!!!

[Blackcourt]

Just finishing up the paperwork on a 1997 328is that I got for just a hair over $9k. I think your getting a bit of a bad deal with the 318. Other than that I can tell you that all the reviews I've read point to the 328 and it seems to be the car that 60% of this forum owns. I would definately look for a '96-'98 model that will have alot of the problems fixed from the first few releases.

[Forged328]

Hey Dad,
The 328 is a lot safer than the 318 and your son will get a lot more girls with the 328 too, considering that he is straight.

[mount2010]

You could tell him the 328is has an updated suspension and most of the cooling problems are fixed in the later years.

[volcomnator999]

and it wayy better!!!! closesnt thing you can get to an M3..lol

[328iJunkie]

i paid 11K for my 328 last june... had 96K on it, fully loaded except for sport package... The 318 is BMWs attempt at an economy car... Please dont get it... and if you do, dont pay 9K for one!

[raceMpower95]

i have a 93 325is with a 328 motor in it. personally i wouldnt get a 318. the resale down the road diminishes much faster, and there is no substitute for the extra 2 cylinders. i cant speak for the suspension, as i have upgraded mine multiple times, but i do know that my friend who had a 318is was the happiest man alive when he totaled it and got a 96 328is. (btw, he was fine, car did a damn good job fighting off the drunk driver that hit him). anyway, get the 328, youll be glad you did. my 325/8 hands M3's their asses on a plate at the track... lol.

[Mr.M]

he meant 318is probably. Only reason you don't want the 318is is if you don't want power and ify ou do want to get great mileage, plain and simple.
Or if you don't want understeer ;) The 318 is significantly more balanced than the 6 cyl's, IMO.

[Mr.M]

Hey Dad,
The 328 is a lot safer than the 318
:confused

[stirpicult]

I am 100% sure it was a 318Ci. It was a convertible. Anyway, the 328's gas mileage isn't far from the 318's. So it isn't that big of a plus to get the 318 alone for its gas mileage.

(Edit: just realized they are still called 318i if its a convertible)

the 328's gas mileage IS that far off from the 318. a good 5+ on the highway, easily.


Hey Dad,
The 328 is a lot safer than the 318 and your son will get a lot more girls with the 328 too, considering that he is straight.

how is the 328 safer?


You could tell him the 328is has an updated suspension and most of the cooling problems are fixed in the later years.

what is updated about the 328 suspension?




to the original poster....how old are you? why are we trying to convince dad? if you are under 18, get the 318 and enjoy it. better yet, look for an e30 318 and enjoy it more. if you are over 18 but not out of school/not on your own, get the 318 and save money for something bigger and better later.

[paniolo]

Its still for more power. Wish I could help some more though man. Good luck.

I think that is probably the whole reason the dad wants him to get the 318 :D

I think a 318 would be great for my son ... great breaking, avoidance abilities, air bags but not so much power that I would worry about him getting over his head.

[Righteous]

I have been driving for 3 years. I don't understand why I can't have a 189 hp car?

[Mr.M]

to the original poster....how old are you? why are we trying to convince dad? if you are under 18, get the 318 and enjoy it. better yet, look for an e30 318 and enjoy it more. if you are over 18 but not out of school/not on your own, get the 318 and save money for something bigger and better later.
+1. If you're young, don't spend all your money on a depreciating asset.

[G. P. Burdell]

I have been driving for 3 years. I don't understand why I can't have a 189 hp car?
You can't always have what you want if it's being bought with someone else's money. If your dad is the one with the checkbook, make your argument in favor of the 328i, but smile and say "Thank you" if he goes for the 318i instead.

I had an 88-HP Ford Escort for my first five years as a licensed driver. I had a modded 328i until a soccer mom rear-ended it earlier this year. Now I'm driving a 115-HP MINI Cooper CVT. I wanted to replace my 328i with an equivalent or better E46 model, but no car matching my specs was available at the time.

Four cylinders and not a lot of torque makes you a more careful driver, especially when you're picking your moment to pull out of a driveway into traffic. You'll learn to deal with it.

[Cyrix2k]

Explain to your dad that 318s can hit insanely high speeds too, they just get there slower than a 328. Therefore the 328 isn't any less safe :) The 318 is fine in a vert, but I probably wouldn't want a hardtop 318 since the A/C does slow down the car alot. Oh yeah, and if you want to check the value of your car, go to NADA. KBB is way off for bimmers.

[stirpicult]

I have been driving for 3 years. I don't understand why I can't have a 189 hp car?

congrats. you still have 40, 50, 60 more years of driving ahead of you.


WHY get a 328, when in a couple years you will be out on your own, doing your own thing? why not get a 318i or is (no convertible) and then, in another 3 years, when you are out of college/more established, you can buy what YOU want and still use the 318 as a cheap commuter?

[Nataliator]

hey man i was in a similar situation, i used to drive an 86 town car and the head gasket went so it was time for a car, im still in college, and pops is fitting alot of bills right now i managed to get my car for a good deal, and yea its a 6 cyl and its more powerful and yada yada but honestly, a 318 is a nice machine, takes corners real pretty and its economically friendly. dont forget a car is the single worst investment u will ever make, the minute u drive it off a lot after purchase the value goes down the toilet. save your loot cuz when the time comes it doesnt matter if its a 318 or a 325 or a 328..you will have cash in your pocket, the car will be dated, and u will only want to see one thing on your car---> ///M

[retarius66]

holy cow. your dad is going to buy you a BMW and you are not happy with the FREE BMW SOMEONE IS BUYING FOR YOU?

i can think of many kids who would be quite content with a free 318. how about you work and save and then buy a "better" model with your own cash.

ITS A BMW!!!!! that isn't enough?

[|TIG|]

If you get a 318, do an M50 motor swap. I've driven 328's, 325's, and 318's. I cannot stand driving the 318's off the line, and up hills. To me it feels like Im driving a 2 ton brick. Automatic 325's get off the line quicker, and automatic 328's get off the line even quicker. Neither of those struggle up hills like the 318 does either.

I live in Atlanta, and merging on to the highway with a 318 can be a difficult task due to the lack of pickup.

Resale also diminishes a lot faster on 318's. 328's seem to hold their value pretty well considering the age. If you find one with high mileage, its still a good car so long as it was taken care of. Plus the price would be a little lower for a little few more miles.

[robisconfusedd]

I have been driving for 3 years. I don't understand why I can't have a 189 hp car?

AHEM, the 328 has 193hp.... ;) haha

[FreewheelBurner]

^^^thats out of the factory, I'm pretty sure after a couple thousand miles it'll go down. 189 is optimistic.

[stirpicult]

^^^thats out of the factory, I'm pretty sure after a couple thousand miles it'll go down. 189 is optimistic.


um, no. usually, horsepower number go UP after the engine is broken in. 189 is not optimistic for a flywheel rating.

[|TIG|]

um, no. usually, horsepower number go UP after the engine is broken in.

Theres a difference between broken in and aged.

[wasabinuki]

Have you ever considered a 318ti? Kind of a nice mix between an E30 and E36. It's 4 cylander (140 HP) but is lighter than other 318's because it's a hatchback, so it gets a little bit better mileage and is a little bit quicker because or the weight difference.

[328isguy81]

Well I can see why your dad would want you to have the 318. Less power so you won't kill yourself and less money for insurance. Although, if you have been driving for a few years then I think the 328 is fine for you. I don't know what car your coming from, but if you step right into a 328 5 speed I think you'll be suprised how quick they are.

I'll still never forget the first time I mashed on the pedal of mine to catch up to my dad the day we were driving it home when we bought it.

Do you know what car I had before my 328? A 94 318is:D Yes, it was a fun, safe, car and I enjoyed driving it, but once I got the 328, its a WHOLE NEW WORLD OF EXCITEMENT. The torque in the 328 is a blast.

Also, if you get a 328, look for one with the sport package. Stiffer suspension, will ride a little lower, better wheels, and sportier seats with the thigh bolsters that come out. Great for long trips. You'll also get the digital climate control in the 328. Looks much newer and updated then the dial controls of previous e36's. You'll also be getting real leather in the 328 and not leatherette. Although, the leatherette stays looking newer for longer while real leather starts cracking and fading, especially along the side bolsters.

There is a little info for ya. All I know is if you get the 318 you'll always regret not getting the 328.

[myblackcar]

more power in 328, possibly more features, better/ easyer re-sale.

For $3000 more, get a 95 M3 if you want power. 318 is for great gas mileage.

[myblackcar]

Well I can see why your dad would want you to have the 318. Less power so you won't kill yourself and less money for insurance. Although, if you have been driving for a few years then I think the 328 is fine for you. I don't know what car your coming from, but if you step right into a 328 5 speed I think you'll be suprised how quick they are.

I'll still never forget the first time I mashed on the pedal of mine to catch up to my dad the day we were driving it home when we bought it.

Do you know what car I had before my 328? A 94 318is:D Yes, it was a fun, safe, car and I enjoyed driving it, but once I got the 328, its a WHOLE NEW WORLD OF EXCITEMENT. The torque in the 328 is a blast.

There is a little info for ya. All I know is if you get the 318 you'll always regret not getting the 328.

The 318 is a great entry level car to the world of BMWs'. The layout and DIY are relatively simple and insurance and gas are cheap. I have read too many stories of 18-22 year olds going straight for the car with more power and then wrapping it around a telephone pole. You can always upgrade to the 328 or above later when you get used to the e36 layout. For way more power, there is the e39.

[APav]

From the 318s and 328s the biggest difference besides power was interior. I noticed that the 318 interiors dont feel as luxurious as the 328s does. If your dad is dead set against a 328 go for the happy medium and get a 325 they arnt super slow nor fast. Plus that 318 is about twice what its worth. I just bought my 97 328 with 72k on it for 9200....

[StoRm.328i]

I bought my 96 328i for 9000 but it only has 40k miles....

[excdragonreborn]

Hey Dad,
The 328 is a lot safer than the 318 and your son will get a lot more girls with the 328 too, considering that he is straight.
:rofl

[GottaLoveAvus]

tell your dad you hate the body style....

[blk97328i]

328. End of discussion.

[jiggynites]

yeah man get a 328 resale value on the 318 is so bad omg.
i purchased my 94 318is for $3900 totally stock but in immaculate condition and then added a few mods and in the end i was only able to get $2800 :mad

[Righteous]

I am buying with 100% my own funds. The car itself and insurance and gas. I make like 700 per month. I have been working for a year now and I am at the point where I can buy the car. No M3 because of insurance and a bit out of my reach. 328 because you know why... Anyway, unless someone buys the 328 I am looking at before I do I will have it with in a month I would say. My dad agrees with me now that I have explained to him about the situation.

[The-Great-328ic]

Hey dad
your son will get more girls in a 328is, because it will have painted skirts, way more torque, more HP, etc......

[HBpredhunter]

they look the same. you can paint the 318 and make it look just as good.

now looking back, all non m e36s are slow (the m3 is only marginal)
so i could see a 318, concentrate on the handling.

but the m50 platform is much more reliable. a longer lasting engine.

[Halo923]

I am buying with 100% my own funds. The car itself and insurance and gas. I make like 700 per month. I have been working for a year now and I am at the point where I can buy the car. No M3 because of insurance and a bit out of my reach. 328 because you know why... Anyway, unless someone buys the 328 I am looking at before I do I will have it with in a month I would say. My dad agrees with me now that I have explained to him about the situation.

since the money is coming out of your own pocket, then you should be able to get what you want. The only thing besides power that I dislike about the 318 is the price you found it for. Hope you get the car you want in the end.

[stirpicult]

Theres a difference between broken in and aged.

there is also a difference between aged and a couple thousand miles:)


I am buying with 100% my own funds. The car itself and insurance and gas. I make like 700 per month. I have been working for a year now and I am at the point where I can buy the car. No M3 because of insurance and a bit out of my reach. 328 because you know why... Anyway, unless someone buys the 328 I am looking at before I do I will have it with in a month I would say. My dad agrees with me now that I have explained to him about the situation.

if you are buying it yourself, i change my answer. get the 328.

[Mr.M]

now looking back, all non m e36s are slow (the m3 is only marginal)
so i could see a 318, concentrate on the handling.
Finally someone else realizes that 189 HP is NOT fast.


but the m50 platform is much more reliable. a longer lasting engine.
I would big time disagree. How is this so? The profile gasket issue on M42's was solved by BMW. Almost all 325's need valve cover gasket replacements, and the Vanos usually goes out. I honestly can't think of any M42/44 specific problem other than those which plague all E36's (coolant system, etc.)

The M42 is definately cheaper and easier to work on.

To the original poster: I wouldn't spend all your money at a young age on something that you can't recover your costs from. The car, every mod, and every maintenance item are going to be money spent but never recovered. Same for insurance. A 318 will be a lot cheaper.

[///M323is]

Just Tell Him That The 318 Motor Is Slow..and U Want A Faster Car!

[AzNaLaN15]

if u making 700 bucks a month id buy an evo =]

our cars just wayyyyy slow...

[mikese36]

Hey Dad,
The 328 is a lot safer than the 318 and your son will get a lot more girls with the 328 too, considering that he is straight.
Safer:confused

[jiggynites]

if u making 700 bucks a month id buy an evo =]
:rolleyes good luck on that one

[Halo923]

So I finally found a decent hill to test my 318i's power uphill with A/C on (75% power). It's ridiculously slow, and I am ashamed of BMW for making this car. But still, seeing as you are still young, like me, why not save the money? Get a 318, then go hang with some friends with your money. Have a good time, instead of spending it all on a car.

[Righteous]

I don't want girls. I have the best one already. I just have a love for cars that one would not understand. For the past year I probley have spent only 500 dollars on stuff other than gas. I only want a nice car, no other type of possesions at this point. The car is everything. My money and hardwork will be spent solely on my love. I will proudly own an E36 328is for a long time. Only until after my mech engineering degree gets me a better pay will I get the E36 M3 with boost. Then a house for my wife and feed the kids and what not. But the car comes first. Thanks for making this thread people.

[Alpine 318is]

Good luck with the 328!!

[Aaron318is]

If you just want something nice to drive around in that's cheap on fuel buy a 318is. Besides being quicker, I don't feel the 2.5/2.8 E36's offer anything more.

How about taking both for a drive and seeing how they compare? Buy the newest/lowest milage car that fits your budget and you're done :) Maybe your dad thinks the 318 will be cheaper to insure?

[HapaJin]

Finally someone else realizes that 189 HP is NOT fast.


I would big time disagree. How is this so? The profile gasket issue on M42's was solved by BMW. Almost all 325's need valve cover gasket replacements, and the Vanos usually goes out. I honestly can't think of any M42/44 specific problem other than those which plague all E36's (coolant system, etc.)

The M42 is definately cheaper and easier to work on.

To the original poster: I wouldn't spend all your money at a young age on something that you can't recover your costs from. The car, every mod, and every maintenance item are going to be money spent but never recovered. Same for insurance. A 318 will be a lot cheaper.

It aint slow from where I'm sitting obviously. The 318 is slow, as for the 328, yeah its not fast, but slow is perhaps not the best word to describe it.

I must admit that it is easy to say that when u drive a car that does 0-60 in about ten seconds. With me driving, probably more.

[G. P. Burdell]

Only until after my mech engineering degree gets me a better pay will I get the E36 M3 with boost. Then a house for my wife and feed the kids and what not. But the car comes first.
With those priorities, you'd better hope your wife is just as much a car nut as you are. :)

[jimbo409]

I have a 95 318I 4speed and am very happy with it. I do not need the speed I am 55 years old, done that. I bought mine last month with 49000 original miles and all the maintenance done by the dealer for 7200.00 Don't know if this was a good price but the car is immaculate condition. Also it is a red convertible

[92redE36]

id say get a 325, i love it :)

[OJwerks]

Dude, get the 328 if you can, youl be better of, and imho, its going to be a car you are going to want to keep for a longer time than a 318.... I think gas is not an issue with any of these cars (318, 325, 328) etc... one question, are planning on stick or auto trans?

[Mr.M]

It aint slow from where I'm sitting obviously. The 318 is slow, as for the 328, yeah its not fast, but slow is perhaps not the best word to describe it.
Yes it is. Compared to other comparably priced cars from the same period, the 328 is really slow, and really unresponsive to mods. For the same price as a 328 you could get a bangin mustang or camaro where an intake and exhaust actually get you legitimate power gains. If you want a powerful car, the E36 is not for you. Power is not the strong point of these cars.

[German Pride 10]

Hey Dad,
The 328 is a lot safer than the 318 and your son will get a lot more girls with the 328 too, considering that he is straight.

LoL

[EstheticAngel21]

ive had alot of quick cars.a porsche, two moded turbo eclipses, a turbo civic, a prelude powered civic to name a few fun ones. but i still like my 318 ALOT because it is what it is--an econo bimmer.

i bought it for three reasons--ive always liked bimmers--i was actually looking at e30's at the time. the e36 318 got WAAAAAAY better gas mileage than my 4runner on 33's that was my daily driver at the time. and...it was $1000. i just couldnt say no.

[jiggynites]

Yes it is. Compared to other comparably priced cars from the same period, the 328 is really slow, and really unresponsive to mods.really unresponsive to mods are you kidding me with just m50 manifold,s52 cams,software,intake and exhaust your already at 210-215whp maybe 224whp like m3mobbin or 218whp like gary328 if you add crank pulley to that.
maybe your talking about the 318 when you say unresponsive to mods...


For the same price as a 328 you could get a bangin mustang or camaro where an intake and exhaust actually get you legitimate power gains.
for even less i can get a civic with a homemade turbo and make more power but it ll handle and look like shit just like a mustang or camaro


If you want a powerful car, the E36 is not for you. Power is not the strong point of these cars. looked at the fi section lately? maybe cardcounters 328i car stock internal head and block turbo making 635Whp 590Wtq http://www.bmwturbo328.com/page2.html

[AzNaLaN15]

:rolleyes good luck on that one

hey at 700 bucks a month you can finance a MR for 650 a month which is what one of my buddies is doing... if u want a RS its even cheaper

i dont really know how to calculate the monthly payments but for a general idea MR's are $32,999 and RS's are $25,999 thats a $7000 difference so 7000/36 (3 yr payment plan) = 194 so around a 200 dollar cut in monthly payments, which equals 450 a month... i think thats really do-able... u dont need luck with that one buddy

[jiggynites]

hey at 700 bucks a month you can finance a MR for 650 a month which is what one of my buddies is doing... if u want a RS its even cheaper

i dont really know how to calculate the monthly payments but for a general idea MR's are $32,999 and RS's are $25,999 thats a $7000 difference so 7000/36 (3 yr payment plan) = 194 so around a 200 dollar cut in monthly payments, which equals 450 a month... i think thats really do-able... u dont need luck with that one buddy

well think about it one more time.....
lets say payment are $450 right. lets say $250 insurance which is cheap my friend is paying $480 insurance a month on his evo. plus add $50 a week in gas=$200 so that adds up to $900 a month also if your in the city and have to pay for parking like me add another $150 a month which brings it up to $1050 add maintance to that also, and thats just the car. Now add the money you need to eat food,any bills you might have, go out or take the girl out sometime, buy yourself a pair of socks ect.

[AzNaLaN15]

well think about it one more time.....
lets say payment are $450 right. lets say $250 insurance which is cheap my friend is paying $480 insurance a month on his evo. plus add $50 a week in gas=$200 so that adds up to $900 a month also if your in the city and have to pay for parking like me add another $150 a month which brings it up to $1050 add maintance to that also, and thats just the car. Now add the money you need to eat food,any bills you might have, go out or take the girl out sometime, buy yourself a pair of socks ect.

wow... 480 a month!? he got himself a couple tickets? my friend right now is paying 2800 for a while year from wanessa and i got quoted 2200 from wanessa so... and hes living with his parents right now, or maybe just his dad so he probably doesnt have bills to worry about... he gets maybe 2 free meals a day, the occassional going out with his girl and friends, yah it works out... we are talking about his situation right now, not yours

about maintenance, mitsu has a crazy warrenty coverage so i wouldnt be so worried about that... oil change at dealership is 40 bucks or do it yourself to save a couple bucks

[Doug001]

Hey, you wanna hear a good one? How's $360.00 a Year for insurance bite you? :D

[AzNaLaN15]

^
woooooow i want that one !!! so jealous =/

how old are u? im just gettin outta college at the age of 22 so my insurance is still high... i heard u gotta be 25+ be4 ur insurance starts going down

[briankern]

its better.....

[EuroCar]

I dont think im gunna get into this thread...not worth it

[cosmom3]

Id explain to your father that a 328is (my 2nd car) is not only far better than a 318 but it also will hold its value for a much longer time.... :devillook

[Mr.M]

I'm not even 21 yet and I pay $700 a year. I don't have collision coverage, but I have liability, comprehensive and uninsured motorsist :)

[EuroCar]

^^your sig is hilarious :)

[Mr.M]

I hope you mean the song and not my car :-/

[AzNaLaN15]

^ur car is highlarious ! =p

[UnXpectedError]

if you buy a 95 318 for more than 5k your nuts


exactly hell i only paid 5k for my mint 328i

[buci]

never mind 318 get the 328,I drive a 1993 320i and i have to press way down the acelerator to keep up with a damn toyota.

[328 Power 04]

Or if you don't want understeer ;) The 318 is significantly more balanced than the 6 cyl's, IMO.


the 328/325/m3's are almost 50/50 balanced front/rear .. its off by like .1 ... now please dont give us this made up BS about it ... the E36/6 is perfectly balanced

[LWRNCE]

Get A 318 You Wont Get Tickets.

[abradic]

I think the money argument is lame here. Obviously, he is lucky enough to have the car bought for him, so he is actually better off with a 328 which will have better resale value down the road for him. The price difference isn't overwhelmingly staggering, and if they are looking at a $9000 car then a 95 328 is definetely possible. Also the insurance won't be different either. Accords, Camrys, and Altimas are the same whether 4 or 6 cyl. Now, if you slap an ///M in front of that, different story.

You'll have a much better engine, an in-line six is just awesome. Plus, if your dad is already willing to spend the money, it should be mutually agreed upon. Again, be happy that you are getting a car, but your father should also consider that you are the one driving it. Hopefully you can both sit down and work out the reasons for both and come to an agreement. Not only is it going to solve the issue, but if you do it in a mature manner it may convince your dad that you do take sensible approaches. I totally understand why you want the 328. It's not just that it has more power, it's a better driving experience which is why most of you went with an inline 6 too. Those who don't care went with the 318. Good luck, and above all, BE SAFE!