FS: 95 M3 Mugello Blown Engine

[nmoe]

A few more details on how it happened can be found here: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=545180

Ok, so the motor is gone and either needs to be rebuilt or replaced. The shop didn't put it back together as it would have just cost more money. The main failure was the bearings. Below is a picture of a good bearing casing and the one of the bad ones. There was a loss of oil pressure which caused this problem.

Compression and Leak Down tests were performed before the engine was inspected. The car passed both of those if you care to rebuild it.
Compression: 175psi, 180, 180 170, 180, 168
Leak Down: 4%, 2, 4, 3, 3, 3

I bought the car last fall and stored it this winter while I replaced some of the parts and did maintanence to it. Since I have owned the car I have put a little over 3000 miles on it. There are now 129,XXX. Here is a list of what I have replaced or fixed on the car.
-Master and Slave Clutch cylinder
-Front Subframe
-Front swaybar link
-Falken Azenis RT-615 235/40R17 tires (driven 2500 miles)
-Alignment
-Spark Plugs
-Thermostat and switched to aluminum thermostat housing
-Coolant flush
-Rear trailing arm bushings

Things that may need work in the future:
-Guibo is starting to crack (easy DIY about 2-3 hours)
-rear upper shock mounts are a little noisy, and slightly worn

Also FYI the car was in an accident in January 2003. There is NO salvage title, and the good news is most of the body parts around the front of the car were replaced so there are very few rock chips, etc. There is no frame damage and the car aligns. I did autocross the car twice earlier this spring as seen below. The carfax also shows that I am the 3rd owner.

Interior of the car is in great shape with vaders as is seen in the pictures below. The wheels on the car are rare throwing star replicas and the spare has never been used and is a double spoke I. All electronics work and all bulbs work.
Upgrades:
Dinan Chip
Dinan CAI
Aftermarket exhaust (unsure of brand, but it quiet at idle and growls under throttle)

I didn't have the best lighting for the pictures tonight, so if you need anymore let me know and I can take some more. Also, I obviously haven't had a chance to wash or vaccum the car so it is a little dusty from sitting around the shop.

Price: $5900 or best offer

Pics when it was cleaner:

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Pics of good and bad bearing casings:

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Pictures of the exterior from tonight:

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Engine Bay from tonight:

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Sorry for all the pictures, but I figure it can only help.

[nmoe]

Interior tonight:

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[nmoe]

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Misc. photos:

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All 4 wheels that I tried to sell before, and one of the current wheel/tire:

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[nmoe]

Trunktonight:

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[Bimmermans54]

If you ship it, I could be interested!! Email me if your interested! bmwm3eater@aol.com

[nmoe]

Shipping to never never land?

[hakstern]

Wow this caught my attention quick! I am moving to Minneaoplis, Minnesota in a couple of months...I am interested in buying a e36....but looking at the prices online they are quite to high for me (reg e36 like mine ranges from 7-11k from what i saw)...How much roughly would it cost to buy/drop the motor in at a shop (you would refer and highly recommend).

[Tj Hunter]

If you have to ask it is going to be too much fyi.

[hakstern]

If you have to ask it is going to be too much fyi.


:( Damm at this rate I'm getting a sub RS then...Also was wondering do how is driving a rear wheel car in the snow? is your bmw daily? or summer time only?

[nmoe]

Good engine - $2500-$4000
Billable hours for swap - 12.5-22.5 depending on engine and mechanic
Good mechanic - Evolution Street and Performence (Justin, evosnp on bimmerforums) located in St. Cloud and cheaper labor rate($68/hr), but does a great job, or Orr Autosport in Eden Prairie (much bigger and well known) ($97.50/hr) and will usually only install new motors from BMW.

[nmoe]

I have lived in Minnesota or Wisconsin my whole life and have only driven rear wheel drive cars (3 volvos and 3 BMWs). Not a problem if you drive safe. In Minneapolis you don't have to worry about it too much either as they put so much damn salt on the roads. I think the salt is more of a reason not to drive it in the winter than the snow.

[hakstern]

damm Yeah its way out of my budget...My father prefers me to get a SUV but I think ima stick with getting a suburu RS at this rate...bmw in the mid area are too expensive..well that is what i saw online...:( Thanks for the info though. My cousin is moving with me also to Minnesota and he is bringing is s14 there (lowered the car) and I was wondering if you think it can last out there?? Also how much is the painting for piping each winter? Sorry I'm getting off topic but i have so many questions cuz i lived in CALI ALL my life..but GL with the sALE:buttrock very nice car.

[///mzeasy]

damn, beautiful car.... too bad it doesn't run

[SQ Bimmer]

How has the salt affected the underbody? I am very interested, just need to figure out shipping costs.

[nmoe]

I don't think there is much rust. I garaged the car last winter and believe it was rarely taken out in the winter by the previous owner. I could try to jack it up and take some pics underneath if you want.

[nmoe]

For those of you looking for an engine, here is a message from IowaLawM3

I now have an engine out of a 98 M3 with 113k. If you wanted to, my brother and I could sell you the engine and do the swap for you for around $3250. Not sure what other quotes you had seen before....


No known issues with the engine. it is currently in the car and running well. If you want to go OBD 1, ou just need the longblock and put all electronics from your onto this one. I would sell just the Long block (engine minus electronics/accessories) for $2300. With all attached electronics/accessories, wiring harness and ecu (required for OBDII conversion), I would take $2650.
If you wanted the motor and electronics AND the transmission, I would sell for $3100.
I have heard that the OBDI conversion of the 3.2 engine is the fastest "stock" set up for the e36 M3.
Let me know if you are interested. If you want to call me and hear it run over the phone or anything, cell number is 319-530-XXXX.
Thanks,
Mike

[IowaLawM3]

I did indeed say such things....and the parts just south of Waterloo, IA.

[BimmerFreak]

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Did you guys look at the build date and Vin? :eyecrazy #237 !!!!:eyecrazy

[madspeed]

Did you guys look at the build date and Vin? :eyecrazy #237 !!!!:eyecrazy

whats the big deal about #237 ? its not like its #1 or something ? am i missing something here ?:help

[BimmerFreak]

There is NOTHING special about the #237 :rolleyes I was simply saying that this is a very early build.

I owned #124 a few years ago and it was fun knowing I had a very early M3 that was in such great shape.

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BUMP for a great project car!

[BimmerFreak]

whats the big deal about #237 ? its not like its #1 or something ? am i missing something here ?:help


Oh yeah...and #1 is a wrecked hunk of metal that is no longer on the road! :(

[madspeed]

oh okay was just wondering, nice set of hot cars you got there....

[97m3john]

pm sent

[nmoe]

pm sent

Reply sent. Give me a call anytime tomorrow.

[Shock(/\)ave]

Oh yeah...and #1 is a wrecked hunk of metal that is no longer on the road! :(

Hardly! I've got the # 1 North American E36 M3 sitting in my garage right now! :buttrock

Sweet car, by the way, and a cheap way to get into a forced induction setup.

[nmoe]

Pics? Or Ban?

[BimmerFreak]

Hardly! I've got the # 1 North American E36 M3 sitting in my garage right now! :buttrock

Sweet car, by the way, and a cheap way to get into a forced induction setup.

:bs

Ummm...Yeah....Im gonna have to call BS on that one!

Lets see pics of your Vin tag.... #00001

[nmoe]

For those of you in the area, a few people are stopping by Sunday so I plan on being at my place from around 11:00am until later in the afternoon. PM me and I can send you my address and cell phone. If Sunday doesn't work I can make Saturday work as well.

[not2fast]

bump for tghe local guy

[nmoe]

bump for tghe local guy

Thanks

[Shock(/\)ave]

:bs

Ummm...Yeah....Im gonna have to call BS on that one!

Lets see pics of your Vin tag.... #00001

In 1994 45 Euro-Spec M3s were delivered to Canada - the first E36 M3s delivered to North America and the only official Euro-Spec E36 M3s to ever hit our shores. I've got # 1 of those 45.

Check out my new avatar if you don't believe me!

Someone needs to buy this car off of nmoe and stick a euro motor in it! :buttrock

[BimmerFreak]

In 1994 45 Euro-Spec M3s were delivered to Canada - the first E36 M3s delivered to North America and the only official Euro-Spec E36 M3s to ever hit our shores. I've got # 1 of those 45.

Check out my new avatar if you don't believe me!

Someone needs to buy this car off of nmoe and stick a euro motor in it! :buttrock

sounds like you have a hot car!

my point was that car number 00001 (first car built for sale in the US) was a total loss and available as a wrecked shell a few years ago.

what is your vin number? would you mind posting the last 6 numbers (should be a letter and five numbers)

oh yeah; BMWNA Eurospec FTW!!!!!!!

[noname007]

Do you have more info on the accident in 2003? Also, is it possible to obtain a professional estimate of what it would cost to rebuild the engine?

Thanks,
RWFF

[noname007]

Do you have more info on the accident in 2003? Any pictures of the current engine condition? Also, is it possible to obtain a professional estimate of what it would cost to rebuild the engine?

Thanks,
RWFF

[nmoe]

Do you have more info on the accident in 2003? Any pictures of the current engine condition? Also, is it possible to obtain a professional estimate of what it would cost to rebuild the engine?

Thanks,
RWFF


I didn't own the car when it was in the accident, but I can tell you what the previous owner told me. He said he hit a guard rail when he hit a slick spot on the road. The front bumper, headlight covers, hood and both quarter panels were all replaced. I have had the car checked over, both in pre-inspection and then when I got the new tires and had it aligned. The car drives perfectly straight and feels great. My mechanic also said there were no suspension issues and it states this on the receipt for the work done. I had the car aligned to these specs:
LFcamber -1.4X
RFcamber -1.7X
LRcamber -1.0X
RRcamber -1.0X
0 toe in front
1/8" total toe in back

I have all the documentation for this as well.

My mechanic told me that financially it would make more sense to replace the motor and not to rebuild it. However, I will give them a call tomorrow to see what they say needs to be done to rebuild it. They didn't take it completely apart, so I am not sure if they know the full damage done to it. In case you are wondering, I took the car to Orr Autosport in Eden Prairie, MN. Considered by many in MN to be the best independent shop.

[nmoe]

Do you have more info on the accident in 2003? Any pictures of the current engine condition? Also, is it possible to obtain a professional estimate of what it would cost to rebuild the engine?

Thanks,
RWFF

I just got off the phone with Orr Autosport and here is what they said about the engine.

-top end of the engine is fine. It shouldn't need any head work or valve work. Compression numbers are fine.

-bottom end is not. Possible new crank, rods, and bearings. Possibly a new oil pump as well although after talking to them they said because there was still some oil pressure available, the lack of oil pressure may have just been caused by bad bearings.

If you send me a PM, I will give you the contact information for them. I will also call them and give them the go ahead to talk to you about the engine.

They would not give me a quote for rebuilding it since they don't do that there.

[noname007]

I have sent you a pm.

[noname007]

Thanks for the info, I will let you know what I hear, lastly, can you send me the carfax if you have it.

[madspeed]

I just got off the phone with Orr Autosport and here is what they said about the engine.

-top end of the engine is fine. It shouldn't need any head work or valve work. Compression numbers are fine.

-bottom end is not. Possible new crank, rods, and bearings. Possibly a new oil pump as well although after talking to them they said because there was still some oil pressure available, the lack of oil pressure may have just been caused by bad bearings.

If you send me a PM, I will give you the contact information for them. I will also call them and give them the go ahead to talk to you about the engine.

They would not give me a quote for rebuilding it since they don't do that there.

if you do any work at all at orr, its gonna be expensive as hell. Im guessing your looking at quite a bit for just the diagnostics, just to get your car out of there the way it sits. if your looking at getting that car fixed at orr, your looking at upwards of 5k. they charge everything by the book / list price, parts and labor.

[noname007]

if you do any work at all at orr, its gonna be expensive as hell. Im guessing your looking at quite a bit for just the diagnostics, just to get your car out of there the way it sits. if your looking at getting that car fixed at orr, your looking at upwards of 5k. they charge everything by the book / list price, parts and labor.


Since you are closer to me (Pa) what shop would you recommend?

[madspeed]

theres a ton of shops around in NJ area that I can recommend, based on what kinda guy you are, what route you wanna take, how much dough you wanna spend etc.

[nmoe]

if you do any work at all at orr, its gonna be expensive as hell. Im guessing your looking at quite a bit for just the diagnostics, just to get your car out of there the way it sits. if your looking at getting that car fixed at orr, your looking at upwards of 5k. they charge everything by the book / list price, parts and labor.

True, I spent $700 just to find out I had a blown motor with all the diagnostics they did. I also have taken my car to a very good mechanic in St. Cloud which is about an hour away. He does a good job and I believe his rate is $68/hr. He is a member here and his name is evosnp (aka Justin).

[madspeed]

True, I spent $700 just to find out I had a blown motor with all the diagnostics they did. I also have taken my car to a very good mechanic in St. Cloud which is about an hour away. He does a good job and I believe his rate is $68/hr. He is a member here and his name is evosnp (aka Justin).

You got off easy bud at $700, I wasnt so lucky the last time i went there. Ive had a chance to do business with Justin, good work and fair prices, though I wouldnt know if he'd handle engine work. anyway, MN was the worst place to have a BMW.

[nmoe]

You got off easy bud at $700, I wasnt so lucky the last time i went there. Ive had a chance to do business with Justin, good work and fair prices, though I wouldnt know if he'd handle engine work. anyway, MN was the worst place to have a BMW.

I talked to Justin and he said he would do a direct swap. I am actually still interested in it if I can find a really cheap motor. I plan on calling him tomorrow to see if he will do a S52 to OBD1 swap. I like this car so much I am starting to think I just need to get a credit card with no interest for 12 months and pull this off.

[nmoe]

For those of you interested. I also have a thread posted on the local autocross website. There are a couple of instructers that got to drive my car at the novice school, a guy that rode with on a fun run and also someone that stopped by the last weekend to have a look at the car. Hopefully this gives some perspective to those that aren't local.

Here is the link.
http://forum.mnautox.com/forums/showthread.php?p=49045#post49045

[noname007]

I called Scott, and he basically said the same thing as you did regarding replacing the engine. He is currently sourcing an engine and putting together a quote for the labor and parts.

I still do not understand why rebuilding the engine would not be the recommended way of doing this. Any input? Especially if all it needs is

New Crank
Rods,
Bearings,
Oil Pump
and labor...

[nmoe]

I don't understand exactly either. I am guessing the cost of parts is the biggest thing. Anyone else?

[nmoe]

bump

[joenationwide]

I called Scott, and he basically said the same thing as you did regarding replacing the engine. He is currently sourcing an engine and putting together a quote for the labor and parts.

I still do not understand why rebuilding the engine would not be the recommended way of doing this. Any input? Especially if all it needs is

New Crank
Rods,
Bearings,
Oil Pump
and labor...

The labor to rebuild an engine is outrageous unless you live in a 3rd world country. Its not just assembly, its machine work, cleaning, inspecting, blah blah blah. I had a Twin Turbo Z with a blown head gasket. It was cheaper to just buy a used engine!

[nmoe]

Monay Morning bump.

[SQ Bimmer]

I called Scott, and he basically said the same thing as you did regarding replacing the engine. He is currently sourcing an engine and putting together a quote for the labor and parts.

I still do not understand why rebuilding the engine would not be the recommended way of doing this. Any input? Especially if all it needs is

New Crank
Rods,
Bearings,
Oil Pump
and labor...
Gonna need more than that...

It wouldn't be worth a rebuld for me or most people though. I would just pull my S50 out of my 330is, and drop it into this car. I have no idea how to rebuild an engine, but know how to swap one! Free labor for me, and free labor for most people out there who know how to change out an engine, which really isn't that hard to do.

[Nohopeboy]

Hey Im in MN gimmie a call 763-742-9953 Thanks I have a motor too....

[nmoe]

I just left you a voicemail.

[nmoe]

Lots of interest, still no money in hand.

I am also starting to get interested in in finding an S50, maybe an S52 engine for a swap myself. If anyone knows of anything local, please let me know.

[Joey Link]

Still available?

[thundercat]

im intrested too

[5150taxi]

Did you guys look at the build date and Vin? :eyecrazy #237 !!!!:eyecrazy


And I thought mine was low... :shifty 4/94 #660 Oh well!!!:buttrock

[nmoe]

Still available?

I ended up doing a S52 OBD1 swap and parted out the S50 engine and parts. Everything is long gone.