NO! My First Crash, First Car, First BMW!

[318iEnthusiast]

Me and a friend of mine were driving to his house to drop off some tools and this guy outta nowhere (driving a 88 Toyo Trecel) comes accross stops in the middle of the road, looks at me and keeps going... I notice i'm gonna hit him, and so I slam on the brakes, both hands on the wheel, and turn a little bit to avoid hitting his door... and t-bone him in the front left quarter panel and half his drivers door...

...it doesn't help that i was going 55 in a 35 zone, but i did have the right of way (it was a 2way stop, for him)...

here's the before the crash pic...
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/318i%20Pics/IMG_1809.jpg

And after.... :(
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2271.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2276.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2280.jpg

luckily i got out with a few knicks on my head (from my sunglasses hitting me), a gash on my thumb, and a HUGE bruise across my chest from left shoulder to right ribcage, from my seatbelt...

the other guy had to be cut out of his car because he as too big to slide across the center consel (age 55+, 310+/- lbs, BIG GUY), he had contusions and cuts on his head, he was cleaned up at the scene, taken to a local hospital, paramedics said he was gonna be fine...

what's fucked up though is my mom stopped paying my insurance so I was uninsured when i crashed... i'm 17...and man, the cop that was talking to me ripped me six ways to sunday...because my registration and the insurance card weren't in the glovebox (my mom had them from the insurance stuff)

I feel sooo bad! and i swear to god I found a friend for life, my best friend Ryan (the guy i was driving with), called 911, took care of the guy while I kicked my way out of my car (door was jammed and i broke my handle getting out), directed traffic until police came, but I swear to god, I don't know what I would do if he wasn't there, he's a lifesaver and I love him! i can't thank him and his parents enough...

Specs: 2 cars, totalled
- 66ft of skid mark on left tire, 48ft on right
- Estimated Top Speed, 50-60mph
- Estimated Crash speed, 25-35mph

After everything is worked out my car will be parted out then donated to a local pick-a-part....

Trashed:
- Everything from the Winshield Forward (Engine, bumper, lights, everything)
- Driver's Door
- Possibly Passenger's front door

Good
- 2-3 doors
- All Interior
- Stereo, (sub box is trashed though)
- All Glass
- Cluster
- Exhaust
- rear lights, trunk, 1 emblem
- All tires are fine (on steelies)

...I have a doctors appt today to get a check up to make sure nothing is seriously damaged...

[///2K]

Dam! Glad your ok and you had a friend to help you.

[318iEnthusiast]

yea that's for sure, and thanks, I know for a fact i'm driving BMW's for life now...

[Stamos]

Hate to point out the obvious but you'd better get a lawyer.

1) Speeding (which automatically makes you at fault)

2 ) Uninsured

He very well may try to legally ass rape you.....or your parents cause you aren't of legal age yet.

[318iEnthusiast]

i know, and it's fine that you pointed it out... i knew it already...i don't know if this guy was insured or not either... i haven't heard anything yet...

[Jetter2]

God DAMNIT.

I hate to see a nice E30 go =..[

I don't even have an airbag, well the ETA does but the cabbie dosent.

[Brian W]

Live and learn. Glad to hear you're okay, but take some comfort in the idiots on here who get e46 M3s at 16 and wreck them within hours. Starting with the 318 was smart. Good luck with the legal issues.

[Tr1go]

wow so sorry man, i hope all works well.
Btw what are you thinking of buying next?

[Winkster25]

Good luck with the future legal aspect of it. Glad your okay and that you were driving a sturdy car.

[Citizen328ci]

yea glad to hear everyone is ok, something like that could happen to anyone. A kid in my highschool got a BRAND NEW e46 m3 when he was 15, got his liscence when he was 16, toatalled it in 2 months... what an idiot... he crashed and rolled it a few times and got out fine, pretty crazy.

[callahanw]

Unless you locked up the brakes right off the bat, seems like the cops would have a pretty tough time accurately judging your peak speed prior to the crash. Just my opinion, though.

What details were listed on the collision report?

Glad to hear you and your friend are ok. Every car nut gets into at least one shitty wreck when they're young. Us lucky few live through it :)

[Phypha]

Collision Report Copy from investigator!

DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING, if so.. READ BEFORE YOU SIGN!

You have up to a year to report any backlashed injuries..

Talk to a Lawyer.
Discuss Options..

Remember, you have a witness. Use him/her!!

Call the other guy's Insurance company. Ask Questions, make a claim..(Unless, all things object) then I'd let the lawyer handle it.

If you have ride a way. You have a chance. As for the ticket, I dont know what applys in your state. But that's just a traffic ticket. Seperate from the autocollision here in texas..

Sorry to hear bro.. I've been through it.. It sucks!

[GODJESUS]

ohh know! You just got that car didnt you@! sorry to hear that... but at least you didnt get hurt or anything. Keep your eyes peeled for another e30!

[318iEnthusiast]

wow so sorry man, i hope all works well.
Btw what are you thinking of buying next?

Definently a BMW! Maybe another e30... maybe a e36... I dunno, I may upgrade to like an older 5 series or something, anything under $2k, but I can't sell any of this car until all legal issues are worked out... and the $$ for next car is comming from the money i get with this car....


Unless you locked up the brakes right off the bat, seems like the cops would have a pretty tough time accurately judging your peak speed prior to the crash. Just my opinion, though.

What details were listed on the collision report?

I didn't lock up the brakes right off the bat... i locked them about 3 secs after braking... the guy was maybe 100ft (give or take a little) in front of me, i left 66ft of skid... but my tires have NOOO traction at all, they are pretty much bald...

as for the collision report, the officer wouldn't give me any details because "i'm a minor and we don't release that information to minors" bullshit... i was in it... i should be the first to know...

...there were 3witnesses... my friend ryan and these two other ppl...ryan didn't know the speed, he was too concerned with checking me and the guy, the 1witness said about 80, another 40, i GUESSED 50ish... so idk... and the cop told my step mom it was round 60

i did have the ride a away, but since i was speed it's "automatically my fault" the cop was an asshole to me just cuz i'm a minor, he talked all this crap and it made me feel degraded and like i was worth nothing...

...how many accidents do you have to cause before your lisence gets revoked? jw...

[318iEnthusiast]

ohh know! You just got that car didnt you@! sorry to hear that... but at least you didnt get hurt or anything. Keep your eyes peeled for another e30!

i've had it since december...

[Ares443]

...how many accidents do you have to cause before your lisence gets revoked? jw...

Why? You planning any more? Sorry, I couldn't ressist that one. Good to hear you're ok. Makes me think that the two e30's we have don't have airbags. It's good that everyone's ok but it's a shame to see the e30 go. I'll always love the e30's. In any case, as was said above... it can happen to anyone. I've been a licensed driver for 14 years and I have never (knock on wood) been in an accident. While it even surprises me a little to say it, I'd also say that it's probably only 30% being heads up and 70% luck. There's enough fools out there that it's just a matter of time.

[Phypha]

Definently a BMW! Maybe another e30... maybe a e36... I dunno, I may upgrade to like an older 5 series or something, anything under $2k, but I can't sell any of this car until all legal issues are worked out... and the $$ for next car is comming from the money i get with this car....



I didn't lock up the brakes right off the bat... i locked them about 3 secs after braking... the guy was maybe 100ft (give or take a little) in front of me, i left 66ft of skid... but my tires have NOOO traction at all, they are pretty much bald...

as for the collision report, the officer wouldn't give me any details because "i'm a minor and we don't release that information to minors" bullshit... i was in it... i should be the first to know...

...there were 3witnesses... my friend ryan and these two other ppl...ryan didn't know the speed, he was too concerned with checking me and the guy, the 1witness said about 80, another 40, i GUESSED 50ish... so idk... and the cop told my step mom it was round 60

i did have the ride a away, but since i was speed it's "automatically my fault" the cop was an asshole to me just cuz i'm a minor, he talked all this crap and it made me feel degraded and like i was worth nothing...

...how many accidents do you have to cause before your lisence gets revoked? jw...

Don't let that cop get you into a state of mind. It's all up to court results.. Delete this post aswell.

You're not completely at fualt! If you are not lying.. You're not completely at fault..

[DaveE30]

I'm surprised the airbags in E30s still work!

[GODJESUS]

Hey, if you get some cash, theres a red 318is for $2500 in the for sale section in CA. They are getting more and more expensive. Bad time to crash an e30..

[Theodore]

Glad you are ok! This is exactly why my kids will drive sturdy cheap cars until they have their first wreck out of the way.

[propr`one]

bleh, someone rear ended me on saturday, i know how it feels

[Rakshas]

Sorry to hear it man, I also wrecked my first car, an E32 735il.

I was following a lady in a hyundai santa fe doing maybe 55 in a 35 zone(the rate of traffic was 55, but still I was speeding). She was going too slow for my taste and I was in a hurry so I decided to merge over and pass her. While I'm looking over my shoulder she slams on the brakes, by the time my head comes back around the collision was inevitable. Slammed on my brakes anyway, ABS didn't work, nose of the car dove, I smacked her rear bumper with my headlight. Her bumper ended up with a few scratches. I need a new grill, headlights, hood, radiator support, corner, and reshaping of my fender. Insurance wants to total the car, but we may rebuild instead. Engine still fires up fine.

Anyway, heres some pics of the carnage.
Before
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/Rakshas01/328isand735il014.jpg

After
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/Rakshas01/735ilAccident001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/Rakshas01/735ilAccident002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/Rakshas01/735ilAccident004.jpg

[mikese36]

Wow looks like it hit hard!Glad your ok!

[SeattleBMW325i]

i know how you feel, i crashed my white eta about 3 or 4 months after getting my license, about 7 or 8 months after getting the car. i was not at fault really, at fault by law, but i could have fought it and had a case, but it was a friend that i hit, so we just decided to not get the popo involved with it, or insurance. ended up paying $1500:shifty, for his crappy old toyota corolla, '88 i think. and paid $50+a hood and fender and front frame section from junkyard, to get it fixed by a friend, had to weld on a chunk of frame.

you parting it out or fixing?

[fieldy]

That sucks, but it sounds like youre taking it as your fault which is cool...In the UK its illegel not to have insurance...is it a choice in the states?!

my 1st car I crashed...
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6515/myescort34vv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Id always have a banger for the 1st bash!
Good luck though

[SeattleBMW325i]

That sucks, but it sounds like youre taking it as your fault which is cool...In the UK its illegel not to have insurance...is it a choice in the states?!

my 1st car I crashed...
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6515/myescort34vv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Id always have a banger for the 1st bash!
Good luck though

definitely not

[fieldy]

definitely not

?

[SeattleBMW325i]

?

it's illegal to not have insurance in the US to

[fieldy]

so if it is illiegel then why do so many people not have it?

Or is it just easier in the States to get away with it untill you crash?

[SeattleBMW325i]

so if it is illiegel then why do so many people not have it?

Or is it just easier in the States to get away with it untill you crash?

i guess they just don't wanna pay, no one ever knows until you crash though. i have insurance, i'm not tryin to hit a brand new m3 or sumthin, and then have to pay to get it fixed myself

[woofster]

Do let us know what happens...especially regarding the insurance issue. It's definitely illegal here in North America and a very huge fine (and more) can be expected if caught.

[m3fuz]

so if it is illiegel then why do so many people not have it?

Or is it just easier in the States to get away with it untill you crash?

Pretty much - each state tends to deal with it in their own ways, thereby creating a disparity in punishments. I'm not even going to touch the litigation aspect of it. I didn't have to show proof when I registered my M3 or my old 560SL (I don't know if that's the norm for all used car purchases in Florida though).

[fieldy]

yeah, well thats a good thing obviously. I wont drive anywhere without insurance...If i did, I certanaily wouldnt speed!

I am signed up to a couple of Yank Forums and I hear alot about lack of insurance so I didnt know if it was maybe not compulsory in some states...there you go eh! Really need insurance!

[HeLLroT325iS]

Sorry to hear bout that man. My first wreck was a lot worse than that, 100+ MPH. Since then, I've only had one minor accident in the last 8 years. I almost had a bad one yesterday with a 745.

[Stück]

I grew up in New Hampshire, where insurance is optional.

I beleive the only time you MUST have insurance is on bank owned (new car loan) cars. Most banks require you carry full coverage for obvious reasons.

[Hurley68]

Sry bout the crash, and I'm glad your ok.

But your SOOOO F'd in the Butt....

Talk about a lawsuit your gonna get...
Speeding, No Insurance or Registration, smashing up his car, hurting him, looks to me like even if you had the "right away" your still screwed. You shouldn't be aloud to drive until you learn the laws or at least have some brains to check your paperwork. Let this be the biggest lesson of your life. You might wanna consider a cheaper car, lol.

[ryantheryan]

truth hurts^

[Boosted]

Each state has their own specific laws, but it is ALWAYS illegal to not have insurance in the US. And when you DO get caught (just unfortunate you did because of an accident) they generally will take your license away for 30 days. Since you are a minor, and IF you have a decent record before this, the court could waive the license revocation, but still give you the (BIG) fine. That would be the best thing that will happen.

I wish you much luck with your case man, and it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to get a lawyer, but they certainly don't always help and they are expensive too!

[D1AllTrac]

glad to hear everyone is ok and sorry about the car.


but i hope you are a girl cause the way you were saying you love this friend of yours is kinda weird.

[318iEnthusiast]

^ +1 i know the truth hurts... but the important thing is everyone involved is alive... I'm gonna take responsibity for it because it was my fault, even if he wasn't paying attention (wow, sounds immature from me, i was speeding, sry), but anyway...

...looking into a lawyer

...my record is clean...hence the "MY FIRST CRASH" in the title...

but this is the view i see every time i walk outta my room...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2277.jpg

...sad i know...


oh as for the question... i WILL BE PARTING OUT!!! i believe seats are already taken (immaculate, and will sell to someone else offering more then $300 for all of them) and the stereo equiptment, which is called for ($350 from my friend)

...i have to wait until the car is cleared before I can begin parting, due to the fact that my mom stopped paying the insurance and didn't tell me...

...see what happens when you're a single mother? they forget about the important things and focus too much on their job... sad to say... but the truth does indeed hurt... in all cases!

[318iEnthusiast]

oh and here's what my injuries consist of...

...5 bruised ribs (3 on the right, 2 left)
...major surface bruising and abrashions on my left shoulder, neck, right ribcage, and nose (sunglasses and airbage)
...bruised clavicle (left side)
...2" gash (1/8" deep) on my right thumb, no stitches... that'd be a pain...
...minor whiplash
...minor cuts in my forhead (sunglasses)

and some undetermined back injury possibly... not sure yet though...

[MP525i]

sorry to hear about the crash, but VERY glad you as well as your friend are ok.

def. part it out. try to get as much out of it as you can. i would be interested in the seats but i'll have to see what happens in the next few days.

hopefully the money you get from parting it out will help a little.

good luck man.

-mike

[S.Lang]

Good thing you're ok. Can't believe anyone would let their minor kids drive around without insurance. It's not you who's in legal trouble as much as your mom.

[Ares443]

Good thing you're ok. Can't believe anyone would let their minor kids drive around without insurance. It's not you who's in legal trouble as much as your mom.

this is true... but I suppose it'll be the last time he leaves the house without it.

[CdnBimmer]

Id hate to be in your shoes in the next coming weeks...

[dough boi]

Sucks, hope everything goes well, in the legal aspect. I've always been deathly afraid of driving with no insurance. Good luck with parting it out, and definately get a lawyer, I was screwed once because of an accident. I got T-boned coming into my neighborhood and they somehow claimed it as my fault saying I cut the corner, they ended up blaming me with 50% liability for the accident and the other person 50%. Went ok for me though, except that I was only paid 50% of damages, it was a CRX so I didn't come out too bad but a lawyer would have helped me in that case. Anyone ever seen that episode of King of the Hill when the Dad realizes they have no insurance?

Oh and a word of advice to anyone who sees this, NEVER NEVER give out your insurance information in an accident unless it was your fault! And ALWAYS ALWAYS get a police report if insurance will be involved. I gave him my insurance information even though he hit me, and didn't get a police report because I didn't quite have the time to sit there and wait for a cop. Which is exactly how I got screwed, he made the claim to my insurance before I did, placing the blame on me.





On a side note, it's "the right of way" that's been bugging the shit out of me the whole thread.

[Jetter2]

I don't understand how kids get into car crashes.

Heads up, pay attention. Im 20 now and I feel VERY confident behind the wheel. But thats mostly because I pay the fuck attention to whats happening around me.

sorry about ur car man, hope u dont get sued.

[328iSANJ]

If you were insured , and weren't speeding, I'd have sympathy for you. It's good to hear that both of you did not get seriously hurt, but in the UK, it's because of guys like you that insurance premiums for law abiding, insurance paying citizens and mortality rates are so high. I hope you learn from this and realize a BMW is NOT for you. If you can't handle a powerful car (even a 318) and don't have the funds to insure it, then you shouldn't be on the road. You can say what you want about my comments but it just infuriates me when people think that they can get away with paying insurance and then speed at the same time:mad :mad :mad :mad :mad

[328iSANJ]

I don't understand how kids get into car crashes.

Heads up, pay attention. Im 20 now and I feel VERY confident behind the wheel. But thats mostly because I pay the fuck attention to whats happening around me.

sorry about ur car man, hope u dont get sued.

I disagree. I hope he does get sued. What if the other guy suffered life threatening injuries due to his speeding?? All I'm hearing on this thread are comments like "I hate to see an E30 get trashed" WTF????????????? Hello, this guy was uninsured and driving like a bat out of hell in a residential area.

[SchnellEuro]

Sry to hear that man, and glad you are alright.

[SchnellEuro]

I know he shouldn't have been speeding, but I thought he stated that the other guy was alright. You don't have to bash on him so hard. He was in the wrong for speeding, but we all make mistakes. It's just that most of us are lucky enough not to have any serious consequences because of it; he was one of the unlucky ones unfortuntely. I was the same way when I first got my license. I drove like a bat out of hell everywhere, and never stopped to realize how dangerous my actions were. Then I got a wreckless ticket, $1500 later in lawyer fees, driving courses and what not I am still lucky enough to have my license (and my life with some of the stuff I pulled), and you better believe I don't drive like that anymore. It really opened my eyes to what things could possibly happen on the road.

Not at all saying that getting into an accident was a good thing, but maybe it will have a long term impact on his driving habits. And by the look of the car, I say that he is lucky he isn't seriously injured.

Again man, sry about what happend, and I hope everything goes alright.

[L6classic1]

Man that sounds like a nasty crash, you may have fouled up by speeding and not being insured...but thank god you had your seat belt on. Glad to hear our all right! thats what really matters!!!

[dfyoung10]

In California you can't get any compensation for pain and suffering, only your actual medical costs, if you don't have insurance. And yes, insurance is mandatory in California, and they can revoke your registration if you don't have it, but the DMV is months behind in their insurance checks.

They are likely to determine that there is shared fault, because even though the OD violated OP's right of way, if he hadn't been speeding the accident might have been avoided. Also the speeding may have caused the OD to misestimate the time he had to clear the intersection.


At the risk of being obvious, that's one of the problems with speeding: you are less likely to be able to avoid someone else's screwup. And everytime he looks at the car he will have to admit to himself that he could have avoided all that crap.

[markshanks]

I tend to agree with the other posters who say that speeding in this way is flat out unacceptable. The point is that unlike various other offences, there is no way you speed by that much unless you are intentionally doing it.

I also wonder about the supposed "right of way". At least on some corners, your visibility of the "right of way" road is limited in distance. It is possible that the guy who was hit looked and couldn't see anything coming, and so was right to go. However, since the poster was travelling so fast, even though he was far away when the guy who was hit was looking, by the time the guy got into the intersection he came up and hit him. Hence, the guy who got hit wasn't at fault at all, and the accident was purely because the poster was speeding.

[DaveE30]

I believe "right of way" is eliminated if you're speeding. An extreme example is that you can't be driving 100 mph on a city street, plow into someone making a left turn, and claim "right of way".

[vnv01]

I'm just glad you didn't kill anybody.

I don't think nearly as many people would be as sympathetic, if that'd been their old man you T-boned. Count your blessings and save your money. You won't be driving again anytime soon.

[de45t]

sorry to say but it takes two to tango.
if the other drivers dont care where there driving then, you have to look out for yourself. sometimes no matter what you do to avoid an accident it was not enough!
glad your o.k
sorry about the e30
time 4 a new one.

[318iEnthusiast]

If you were insured , and weren't speeding, I'd have sympathy for you. It's good to hear that both of you did not get seriously hurt, but in the UK, it's because of guys like you that insurance premiums for law abiding, insurance paying citizens and mortality rates are so high. I hope you learn from this and realize a BMW is NOT for you. If you can't handle a powerful car (even a 318) and don't have the funds to insure it, then you shouldn't be on the road. You can say what you want about my comments but it just infuriates me when people think that they can get away with paying insurance and then speed at the same time:mad :mad :mad :mad :mad

ok first of all... I know that speeding was wrong and I didn't have a reason to do it....

2...this ISN'T THE UK

3....HEELLLLOOOO!! the BMW SAVED MY LIFE!, a bmw or not, I think they are for me no matter what you say, I learned a big life lesson from this and i know what I did was wrong, that being said, my car saved my life...I'm definently bmw's for life

4... IT'S NOT MY GODDAMNED FAULT I WASN'T INSURED!!! my mom never told me she had stopped paying for it, don't go ripping me a new one for something I had no idea about!

now i'm sorry, really I am... but I've already stated that I accept what I did as wrong... you don't need to restate it to me... i alread feel bad enough... i haven't slept in like 3 days because I dunno wtf i'm gonna do...:(

[ken_vs_ryu]

ohhh damn - you don't have the right of way speeding 20mph over the limit.

[joeuser528e]

you parting it out or fixing?
Yes, I'm sure he's fixing it.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2276.jpg
That makes a whole bunch of sense.

[318iEnthusiast]

I'm parting out...obviously, haha...here's what I have...

CALLED FOR:
- Hood ;-]
- Stereo, Sub, Amp, and Rear Speakers

UP FOR DIBS:
- Cluster
- Tires (all 4 good) and Hubs
- Body Molding
- 3 Doors (all except drivers)
- Rear All Red tailights
- Trunk Lid
- Seats
- All Glass
- Door Panels
- Mats
- Tweeters
- Operation Manual
- Tool Kit
- All Fuses
- Washer Fluid Bottle
- 1 sealed beam (slight scuff)
- Throttle Body, cam head
- Sunroof
- Rear Quarter Panels
- Spare, Trunk Mat
- Center Consel
- Rear Plastic Bumper
- Power Antenna
- OBC (smallest one, 6 button I think)
- JVC 5 1/4" Speakers
- Seatbelts
- Weather Stripping from engine bay


....if any of you are interested, please just PM me and I'll let you know what I have, no set prices because this is just a list of what is good and can be salvaged...

[UrbanAssault415]

Good to hear your alright. Ive been thru 2 accedents myself and what doesnt kill ya will make you stronger. I hit someone in my first accident going 50 and learned to keep my distence, my second I got rearended at a stoplight that I was at a dead stop at for 35 sec. and now I check my rearview till the person behind me stops(this saved me one time too). I didnt have to go thru insurence because the 1st there was no damage to tho other guys car(ya I was going 50 maybe 40 when I hit him and he only had a scratch)and the 2nd the other guy paid straight cash. I hope you learned something from this because it could save your life.

As for the insurence I think your mother is going to get the heat for this one. Im guessing that the car was in her name since your a minor and since she pulled the insurence it would be her liability to not let you drive the car. Lets hope you still have a license after this one.

Good luck with everything.

[318iEnthusiast]

yea thanks... i will...what's weird is it's been 3 days and still nothing from the police.... kinda....akward...

the car is in both our names, I'm secondary though...even though I bought it...

[DaveE30]

Yes, I'm sure he's fixing it.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2276.jpg
That makes a whole bunch of sense.

Don't you know? That'll buff right off! :stickoutt

[DaveE30]

luckily i got out with a few knicks on my head (from my sunglasses hitting me), a gash on my thumb, and a HUGE bruise across my chest from left shoulder to right ribcage, from my seatbelt...


I jus re-read your post and noticed this. I see you're going to the doctor, but did you get taken to a hospital right after? If not, you should've been. I'm glad you're fine, though. They should've done a chest x-ray and maybe an ultrasound of your torso (so-called "FAST") for internal bleeding.

[328iSANJ]

ok first of all... I know that speeding was wrong and I didn't have a reason to do it....

2...this ISN'T THE UK

3....HEELLLLOOOO!! the BMW SAVED MY LIFE!, a bmw or not, I think they are for me no matter what you say, I learned a big life lesson from this and i know what I did was wrong, that being said, my car saved my life...I'm definently bmw's for life

4... IT'S NOT MY GODDAMNED FAULT I WASN'T INSURED!!! my mom never told me she had stopped paying for it, don't go ripping me a new one for something I had no idea about!

now i'm sorry, really I am... but I've already stated that I accept what I did as wrong... you don't need to restate it to me... i alread feel bad enough... i haven't slept in like 3 days because I dunno wtf i'm gonna do...:(

1. Glad to hear you understand speeding was wrong.

2. I know you're not in the UK but what's that got to do with it?? Does being in the US mean it's acceptable to drive without insurance (granted you weren't aware you mom stopped paying) and speed?? I take it then that other road users lives are just less significant in the States?? From the posts I've read, driving laws in the US aren't too dissimilar to those in the UK, if a little lenient. And the majority of guys here are from the US, but it doesn't stop BMW owners from other countries using this site for valuable advice and info. I'm just glad that not everyone on this site has the "this is not the UK" attitude otherwise I'd never get any advice or info from anyone about anything.

3. The BMW saved your life?? I'm glad it did but it's because of statements like that, people think it's ok to speed in a BMW. Drive like a crazy lunatic. You'll be ok because in an accident, you'll live!

4. You might thing I'm being harsh, but these are my opinions my friend and we're all entitled to them. I hope you do realise how serious things could have been if someone got badly hurt. Just make sure you are insured. Whether your mom pays or not, as a responsible driver, it's your duty to find out when your cover ends so you can ask your mom to renew it. And if you still want to speed after this incident, use a race track.

[318iEnthusiast]

I jus re-read your post and noticed this. I see you're going to the doctor, but did you get taken to a hospital right after? If not, you should've been. I'm glad you're fine, though. They should've done a chest x-ray and maybe an ultrasound of your torso (so-called "FAST") for internal bleeding.

no I wasn't, I felt like i didn't need to go, plus, I had to stick around to talk to the officer because he kept comming back every 2 seconds to get more info...

[Jetter2]

4... IT'S NOT MY GODDAMNED FAULT I WASN'T INSURED!!! my mom never told me she had stopped paying for it, don't go ripping me a new one for something I had no idea about!


Dude I totally understand where you're comming from.

Bottom line is that all the cops care about is weather you're insurance card is on you or not. If you didn't have insurance to begin with, you're super fucked.

You're mom is a moron for not letting you know about the insurance, but you should of asked as well. PLUS, if the car was insured, and you had full coverage or whatever on it, youd be getting a check to go buy another lil bimmer =..[

The cops have no simpathy, it sucks.


Whats you're next car?

[85-318i]

My first e30 I flew in a giant ditch dropped 8 feet down tried to come up out of it and smashed into a pole. Knock myself out woke up in jail with a DUI. No insurance and no title on it...
My second e30 I drove to myrtle beach from Niagara then home for a day then took off to North Bay. After a 2600 km's of driving, coming home about half way at 6am I smashed a deer into 5 pieces. Tow home cost me $500.
Just sweat it out you'll be fine. Join a karate class it works wonders....
live and learn
My third e30 sits today in mint shape! knock on wood.....

[Reprisal]

I don't understand how kids get into car crashes.

Heads up, pay attention. Im 20 now and I feel VERY confident behind the wheel. But thats mostly because I pay the eff attention to whats happening around me.

A young driver who was speeding.... all adds up for me. Paying attention is one thing. Obviously he saw the guy come up, pass through the sign, and stop in the road... for what reason... I do not know. Its being able to react to the situation and find an exit... not always just slamming the bakes. Personally, i'd of been slowing down once I saw a car... I don't trust other drivers at all anymore. After having a spotless record for three years and then getting into two minor not at fault accidents thanks to people not bothering to look when turning/merging, I trust nobody.



Bottom line is that all the cops care about is weather you're insurance card is on you or not. If you didn't have insurance to begin with, you're super effed.


true. Had a random late night stop by a town officer with nothing better to do... Checked everything, and found I had an out of date card (but I still had insurance). He still wrote me a warning ticket for not having the new insurance card, and threatened to "get me" if I didn't provide proof at the PD the next day. had to cancel all my plans just to pacify the man thinking I didn't have insurance.

Although in reality, there are a lot of people who don't have it. I heard somewhere it's almost 50/50 in some places in NC. It's just another expense that people dont' want to deal with anymore. The problem is, for every person that gets off insurance, we're still paying for it when they cause an accident. You think that small bit you pay for "unisured motorist" is all that goes toward it? As if... i bet about a third of your premium goes to recoup for accidents caused by people who are uninsured.

There's a lot of people on both sides of the fence here. IN one hand, I'm half temped to go with everyone that thinks that speeding without insurance is possibly the worst you could do, and an accident like this proves it.

However... 50(ish) in a 35 doesnt' really get me to bat an eye. There are places everywhere that people completely blow off a 35 mph sign and just go 45-50, and i'm not talking just a few people or places.

now I've gotta ask one question: where did his car stop at? was it in your lane, but not covering the other one (assuming there was no oncoming traffic)? If so... this accident could've been avoided, had you had a little more experience behind the wheel. Use the grass, sidewalk, whatever it takes.... just don't hit someone/something on the side of the road and you're ok.

to 318iEnthusiast :
Just tell us that you're going to learn from this bad situation, and that your E30 didn't bite the big one for nothing....

[SergeK]

Yes, I'm sure he's fixing it.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2276.jpg
That makes a whole bunch of sense.

I wish I still had a pic of my dad's car... before and after shots... the work they do over in turkey is crazy good... The car (SL500) was in worse condition then that... they fixed the frame and everything else... car was perfect... we took it on the autobahn and went 140ish, no vibration at all!

-TAseal

[Zoso]

Did you ever find out why the guy just stopped in the middle of the road?


IMO, you're going to get sued... and it sounds like you (and your Mom) really can't afford that. The guy you hit is older and in poor shape to begin with. Now that he's been in an accident, his already taxed body isn't going to hold up and he's going to be in pain and have compromised mobility.

Normally your insurance would protect you. If this guy is a dick, he could get your house.

Your mother was nuts for cancelling your insurance and allowing you to continue driving. Completely irresponsible.

BTW, does anyone in CA have insurance? I'd be scared to drive around in that state knowing there are also a lot of illegals driving around with no insurance. Luckily the rest of us foot the bill and have to pay extra for uninsured motorists.

Glad you are ok though...

[Snarcher!]

im really sorry.. but this picture made me burst out laughing in the office

it should be your new sig.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2271.jpg

[bmwjdmking]

yeah glad you are ok, but that is shitty.

[Ares443]

im really sorry.. but this picture made me burst out laughing in the office

it should be your new sig.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2271.jpg


yea... this I just don't understand. To me it's like looking at a kid with a cleft palate. It's sad.

[Zoso]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2271.jpg


http://www.fast-rewind.com/shortcircuit2.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/J5_portrait.jpg/200px-J5_portrait.jpg

Johnny 5 - DEAD

[Jetter2]

I wish I still had a pic of my dad's car... before and after shots... the work they do over in turkey is crazy good... The car (SL500) was in worse condition then that... they fixed the frame and everything else... car was perfect... we took it on the autobahn and went 140ish, no vibration at all!

-TAseal

That is fucking retarded.

Frame damage is frame damage, PERIOD. Once the paper is crumpled up, it will NEVER be perfect again. Stretching metal back into shape causes metal fatigue.

You can always tell a car w/frame damage.

[Jetter2]

BTW, does anyone in CA have insurance? I'd be scared to drive around in that state knowing there are also a lot of illegals driving around with no insurance. Luckily the rest of us foot the bill and have to pay extra for uninsured motorists.

Glad you are ok though...

Try any of the border states.

I think CA, and TX got it worse though with all the damn illegals.

[poop]

ha ha ha ha ha!

[318iEnthusiast]

it's sooo true though.....

[E30stz]

I dont mean to be rude, but you if own a car, there are a number of responbilities you must adhear to as all car owners should ie. making sure insurance is paid for and abiding by the laws of the road.
Simple fact is, if your not insured, you shouldnt be on the road. What if next time it was the poor bugger that hits you and didnt have insurance. Sure you werent aware about your lack of insurance but its your responsibility to make sure its there.. not your mums. You own a car, you drive it, your liable for it.

Everyone goes through these phases, and we learn from these things. Just hope your all okay and that everything turns out for hte best. Good luck with everything.

[yonoconozco]

That is fucking retarded.

Frame damage is frame damage, PERIOD. Once the paper is crumpled up, it will NEVER be perfect again. Stretching metal back into shape causes metal fatigue.

You can always tell a car w/frame damage.

amen. sergek, go ahead and dead yourself and your dad. both of you make darwin proud.

[SeattleBMW325i]

Yes, I'm sure he's fixing it.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/mtrchamp/Crash%20Pics/IMG_2276.jpg
That makes a whole bunch of sense.

hey, mine was almost as bad, and i got it fixed:dunno,

look on the bright side, at least your next car won't have those steelies

[carguy101]

DAMN bro I got my car totaled on te same day first car as well

Glad to hear you're ok though

[yonoconozco]

fat people should stick to walking and taking public transportation. they can't see past their own cheek blubber and can't maneuver well with the spare tire(s) in their way.

[318iEnthusiast]

are you talking about me? or the other guy? i admit i'm not small, i play lacrosse... i'm 5'11" 177lbs at 17 yrs old...

[Landerholm]

I havent seen a BMW roundel survive an accident in some time. Usually they shoot off.

Sometimes crappy stuff just happens....because we make a bad decision or are just unlucky. You will feel better over time.

[Nadroj]

Im really sorry for your troubles you are going through. i dont understand why all these people are giving you shit when you are already feeling about as bad as you could, you come on here to find support from people not to here them yell at you if you wanted that you could go back down stair and listen to your mom. so every one needs to lighten up shit happens everyone makes mistakes. <3

[Downforce]

Your single mother is working to support you and she was paying for your insurance? Why aren't you paying for your own vehicle? If your mom can't afford your insurance you need to a. work until you can afford it, or b. ride your bike. Why don't you help your mom out instead of leaching off of her and then criticizing her?

You were driving without insurance.

You were traveling 60-80mph on a city street.

If you were traveling 35mph you could be here talking about mods instead of parting out.

You better save the part money for the enormous legal fees--this incident may force your mom to file for bankruptcy. 17 year old, uninsured boy plows his BMW into the side of a motorist at 60-80 mph. Could the case be any easier?

I hope that you've learned something about personal responsibility from this. Sorry that you had to destroy 2 cars, injure people, potentially financially ruin your single mother, and waste the time of the police, healthcare providers and our legal system to do it--and come here to whine about it.

[mcoupemindy]

Why is it that anytime that there is a crash people post on an OPEN internet forum about it???

Here's my advice ... SHUT UP and get a lawyer. Don't blabber on about how you were at fault. You are just incriminating yourself!!!

And yes ... you were completely stupid for not having insurance. I would go buy some KY right now cause its gonna come hard!

[bennyfizzle]

time to update your sig...i don't think you're gonna need an is lip anymore...

[mcoupemindy]

time to update your sig...i don't think you're gonna need an is lip anymore...

:lol :lol :lol He really finished off the "work in progress" ...

[Downforce]

oh and here's what my injuries consist of...

...5 bruised ribs (3 on the right, 2 left)
...major surface bruising and abrashions on my left shoulder, neck, right ribcage, and nose (sunglasses and airbage)
...bruised clavicle (left side)
...2" gash (1/8" deep) on my right thumb, no stitches... that'd be a pain...
...minor whiplash
...minor cuts in my forhead (sunglasses)

and some undetermined back injury possibly... not sure yet though...

We have soldiers less than a year older than you losing limbs in Iraq and you are here whining about BRUISES and ABRAISIONS that you got in your unisured BMW?

[SyN]

Live and learn. Glad to hear you're okay, but take some comfort in the idiots on here who get e46 M3s at 16 and wreck them within hours. Starting with the 318 was smart. Good luck with the legal issues.
OMG, how true I have a friend the did that... :mad but good to know you sir started with the 318 and it was a great looking one at that. Hope everything goes smoothly for you.

[GODJESUS]

We have soldiers less than a year older than you losing limbs in Iraq and you are here whining about BRUISES and ABRAISIONS that you got in your unisured BMW?

Whats that have to do with anything?

[318iEnthusiast]

you know what, fuck off...you're a fucking asshole

1. I had a job, i quit because the manager was harassing me, I've been looking for a job for the last 2months, nobody is hiring yet due to the seasonal jobs they have nearby... since i don't have a car... it has to be in walking distance...

2. I'm criticizing my mother because she didn't tell me it wasn't insured anymore.. i'm not leaching of her...I am helping her out, if you only knew our fucking situation, you'd understand, so watch what you're saying.

- I was driving without insurance because I DIDN'T KNOW, and i fucked up and i know.

- I was NOT going 60-80 mph, don't over exxagerate, i was going 42 mph according to the police report

- WTF do you think I'm using the money for, I have to pay for it, it's outta MY pocket, i'm not letting my mom take the fall for it, maybe you should get off your high horse and maybe read what's going on. I'm trying to get at least $1000 from the parts, which i doubt will happen, to help pay part of it... i know it won't cover it, but it's at least a start ok?

And for the record, I'm not bitching about any injuries, and if i was, I wouldn't come on to here and talk about it... specailly with people like you on here...

so once again, fuck off, I don't need your bullshit.


Your single mother is working to support you and she was paying for your insurance? Why aren't you paying for your own vehicle? If your mom can't afford your insurance you need to a. work until you can afford it, or b. ride your bike. Why don't you help your mom out instead of leaching off of her and then criticizing her?

You were driving without insurance.

You were traveling 60-80mph on a city street.

If you were traveling 35mph you could be here talking about mods instead of parting out.

You better save the part money for the enormous legal fees--this incident may force your mom to file for bankruptcy. 17 year old, uninsured boy plows his BMW into the side of a motorist at 60-80 mph. Could the case be any easier?

I hope that you've learned something about personal responsibility from this. Sorry that you had to destroy 2 cars, injure people, potentially financially ruin your single mother, and waste the time of the police, healthcare providers and our legal system to do it--and come here to whine about it.

[mcoupemindy]

you know what, fuck off...you're a fucking asshole

1. I had a job, i quit because the manager was harassing me, I've been looking for a job for the last 2months, nobody is hiring yet due to the seasonal jobs they have nearby... since i don't have a car... it has to be in walking distance...

2. I'm criticizing my mother because she didn't tell me it wasn't insured anymore.. i'm not leaching of her...I am helping her out, if you only knew our fucking situation, you'd understand, so watch what you're saying.

- I was driving without insurance because I DIDN'T KNOW, and i fucked up and i know.

- I was NOT going 60-80 mph, don't over exxagerate, i was going 42 mph according to the police report

- WTF do you think I'm using the money for, I have to pay for it, it's outta MY pocket, i'm not letting my mom take the fall for it, maybe you should get off your high horse and maybe read what's going on. I'm trying to get at least $1000 from the parts, which i doubt will happen, to help pay part of it... i know it won't cover it, but it's at least a start ok?

And for the record, I'm not bitching about any injuries, and if i was, I wouldn't come on to here and talk about it... specailly with people like you on here...

so once again, fuck off, I don't need your bullshit.

:ban: The profanity is a bit much and shows your immaturity.

[Ares443]

:ban: The profanity is a bit much and shows your immaturity.


Actually, I think the kid has approached this rather maturely. Sure he fucked up but so have a lot of us. I don't think it's necessary to go on scolding for page after page and I think it's even more unecessary to ratchet up the scoldings despite the fact that he's owned up and accepted just about everything told to him. You guys find the one kid in the forum that has any respect for the advice more experienced people give him and proceed to continually harass him. Get off his back already before you turn him into every other kid that sits on the internet and curses out people twice his age.

[GODJESUS]

Actually, I think the kid has approached this rather maturely. Sure he fucked up but so have a lot of us. I don't think it's necessary to go on scolding for page after page and I think it's even more unecessary to ratchet up the scoldings despite the fact that he's owned up and accepted just about everything told to him. You guys find the one kid in the forum that has any respect for the advice more experienced people give him and proceed to continually harass him. Get off his back already before you turn him into every other kid that sits on the internet and curses out people twice his age.

+1

[318iEnthusiast]

Actually, I think the kid has approached this rather maturely. Sure he fucked up but so have a lot of us. I don't think it's necessary to go on scolding for page after page and I think it's even more unecessary to ratchet up the scoldings despite the fact that he's owned up and accepted just about everything told to him. You guys find the one kid in the forum that has any respect for the advice more experienced people give him and proceed to continually harass him. Get off his back already before you turn him into every other kid that sits on the internet and curses out people twice his age.

thank you, it means a lot

[turningermanese]

Actually, I think the kid has approached this rather maturely. Sure he fucked up but so have a lot of us. I don't think it's necessary to go on scolding for page after page and I think it's even more unecessary to ratchet up the scoldings despite the fact that he's owned up and accepted just about everything told to him. You guys find the one kid in the forum that has any respect for the advice more experienced people give him and proceed to continually harass him. Get off his back already before you turn him into every other kid that sits on the internet and curses out people twice his age.

+1 I can't believe how many people on here act like they've never done a single thing wrong their entire lives. Get over yourselves.

[318iEnthusiast]

+2

[Birdman06]

Sry to here that and hope everything works out. trust me, i know how it feels...

[318iEnthusiast]

thanks bro

[wasabinuki]

ouch - too bad, that was a clean car.

[318iEnthusiast]

yea it was....cleanest i've seen in a long time...