So you've got a non vanos e36? share your mods

[popsicle]

i'm gauging to see what the fellow non vanos enthusiasts out there have done for performance mods. most items out there are for the 93+ vanos equiped m50's. it's a little frustrating looking for engine mods that give reasonable gains. the dinan chip only gives a +11hp gain for 300 dollars. not very appealing. so please share what you've done to your baby and what numbers you may be putting out.

[TboneM3]

I'm vanos, but If I were you, I'd move your intake cam to the exhaust side and put in a shrick or s50 intake cam in + a chip they make for 92 M50 + cams. Best mod you could do shy of FI.

[popsicle]

interesting. i will look into that. is there a chip specific to this mod? or a general chip would get the job done?

[MattThorne]

Any thing you can do to the vanos engine you can do to the non-vanos engine. You just have to know where to look.

As of now I only have a Dinan intake becasue I'm trying to finish by suspension before I go for more power. However my planned mods are, in this order...

1. Dinan intake (done)
2. Turner Motorsport chip
3. UUC pullies/Fan delete
4. UUC exhaust
5. Dinan throttle body
6. Turner Motorsport track pipes

Hoping to put down around stock m3 numbers, so we'll see.

-Matt

[auto3251]

almost all mods for 93+ works with 92 non-vanos. only thing I can think of is m3 cams that don't work with the non-vanos.
software wise, well each model has there own software, even different years (pre95 and late model 95), so you can't count that for a mod that doesn't work with the 92.

[popsicle]

seemingly the dinan page lists more gains for the vanos vs the non vanos powerplants for the same price. so considering wht Tbone mention about the cam swap if you can elaborate on that in terms of price etc and ease of performing the mod that will be great. i am also going to be purchasing performance shocks/springs in the near future as well as some ltw wheels.

[TboneM3]

interesting. i will look into that. is there a chip specific to this mod? or a general chip would get the job done?

There is a chip specifically for 1992 non vanos M50 with cams. I can't remember who sells it, but they are on these boards. Try a search in the e36 boards.

[TboneM3]

Any thing you can do to the vanos engine you can do to the non-vanos engine. You just have to know where to look.

As of now I only have a Dinan intake becasue I'm trying to finish by suspension before I go for more power. However my planned mods are, in this order...

1. Dinan intake (done)
2. Turner Motorsport chip
3. UUC pullies/Fan delete
4. UUC exhaust
5. Dinan throttle body
6. Turner Motorsport track pipes

Hoping to put down around stock m3 numbers, so we'll see.

-Matt

You will definitly not put down stock s50 numbers with just that. The throttle body will do absolutly nothing, sorry. Even with all my mods
Cams
Chip
Intake
Fan Delete
Pullies
Exhaust
I don't think I'm at S50 numbers.

[heifetz17]

I'm relatively stock except for a fogged airbox, a debaffled airbox, and a k&n filter. I can beat a 2002 C320 Kompressor by 1/2-1 car length.

[popsicle]

hey heifetz17 (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/member.php?u=27467) can you post pics of your car. it seems we have the same color and year e36.

[heifetz17]

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[heifetz17]

The interior pics are from when I was in the middle of my black interior swap.

[sidvicious]

i have a 97 328iC. how do it tell if i have a vanos type engine?

[Gofast]

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5285608&postcount=42

[popsicle]

loving the stance of your car Gofast. looks nice.

[tomt30273]

i have a 97 328iC. how do it tell if i have a vanos type engine?

1992 was the only year for non-vanos. No 4 cylinder has vanos.

[Dogeeseegod]

1991 & 92 had nonvanos. There was a short run of the 91 cars. The cams are the best way to go, except the S50 cam is a vanos cam and won't fit. Try turner or another reputable company. I have found them on my previous searches, and it is definatly a mod i will do. I am debaffled/chipped @ 166 whp @ 2200 ft @ 77*F. that was before the chip, but i don't expect much gains from the chip, maybe 1-3 WHP. It's a panther chip :rolleyes

[98328I]

i rode in a 92' 325i the other day, still impressive just no torque down low... i guess thats where the vanos helped post 92..

[thedude]

However my planned mods are, in this order...
1. Dinan intake (done)
2. Turner Motorsport chip
3. UUC pullies/Fan delete
4. UUC exhaust
5. Dinan throttle body
6. Turner Motorsport track pipes

That throttle body will not do anything. It isnt a bottle neck in the intake system. For all that money, you could buy some cams, or get a start on increasing the bore/stroke of the engine. Those are mods that will actually change the characteristics of your engine, and make the car go faster. I've heard of a 2.5 being stroked to 2.9 and it made upwards of 240hp i believe. It was on this board, but i cant remember who.
Those boltons do wonders for the sound of the car, but not much for the go.

[MattThorne]

That throttle body will not do anything. It isnt a bottle neck in the intake system. For all that money, you could buy some cams, or get a start on increasing the bore/stroke of the engine. Those are mods that will actually change the characteristics of your engine, and make the car go faster. I've heard of a 2.5 being stroked to 2.9 and it made upwards of 240hp i believe. It was on this board, but i cant remember who.
Those boltons do wonders for the sound of the car, but not much for the go.


That throttle body will not do anything. It isnt a bottle neck in the intake system. For all that money, you could buy some cams, or get a start on increasing the bore/stroke of the engine. Those are mods that will actually change the characteristics of your engine, and make the car go faster. I've heard of a 2.5 being stroked to 2.9 and it made upwards of 240hp i believe. It was on this board, but i cant remember who.
Those boltons do wonders for the sound of the car, but not much for the go.

I'm going to prove you wrong...or at least try! :)
I am going to dyno this summer before and after the throttle body...My car will be the gunni(sp) pig that is going to lay this issue to rest forever. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Actually I am considering doing the 2.9l stroker, but not until my car is no longer a daily driver. When you stroke the motor like that the compression is bumped to 11:1 which is not the best for driving around town. Any way guys, thanks for the motivation...I will get to s50 numbers w/ boltons...

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[tb0ne]

Just ECIS intake and m3 exhaust here. Dinan chip coming today (sorry Popsicle :) ) Suspension coming soon

[amancuso]

... gunni(sp) pig ...
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guinea pig ;)

[awahl63]

The interior pics are from when I was in the middle of my black interior swap.
wtf is on the side of your seats?

[popsicle]

Just ECIS intake and m3 exhaust here. Dinan chip coming today (sorry Popsicle :) ) Suspension coming soon

yeah thanks for rubbing it in tb0ne. haha;)

[MattThorne]

guinea pig ;)

Thanks for the :help. I appreciate it :)

-Matt

[blb9t]

There is a chip specifically for 1992 non vanos M50 with cams. I can't remember who sells it, but they are on these boards. Try a search in the e36 boards.

I've tried seaching for this chip before but was unable to find one. Maybe if I called turner up they would make one but I could not find a retail chip.

Going back to the actual cams, has anyone reground non vanos cams to S50 spec? There was a guy selling a set of these last year. It sounds like it would be cheaper than buying a Schrick intake cam, which run around $700 or so. Sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread :devillook

[cbouchez]

conforti chip
cold air intake


I don't really want to sepnd much money on the engine I have better plans for it...
(waiting for my M3 engine:1 3.2 obd1)

[widebody_bimmer]

I'm vanos, but If I were you, I'd move your intake cam to the exhaust side and put in a shrick or s50 intake cam in + a chip they make for 92 M50 + cams. Best mod you could do shy of FI.


I thought that 93'+ cams won't work for non vanos....am I just trippin'

[popsicle]

conforti chip
cold air intake


I don't really want to sepnd much money on the engine I have better plans for it...
(waiting for my M3 engine:1 3.2 obd1)

let me get your chip if you decide to let go of it before this summer.

[sandspeed]

I'm going to prove you wrong...or at least try! :)
I am going to dyno this summer before and after the throttle body...My car will be the gunni(sp) pig that is going to lay this issue to rest forever. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Actually I am considering doing the 2.9l stroker, but not until my car is no longer a daily driver. When you stroke the motor like that the compression is bumped to 11:1 which is not the best for driving around town. Any way guys, thanks for the motivation...I will get to s50 numbers w/ boltons...

-Matt<o:p></o:p>
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Sorry, but it ain't gonna happen. You just can't get 50+ WHP from those bolt-ons. Go turbo. Or stroke it to 2.9. Or stroke and bore it to 3.0. Stand-alone engine management and bigger injectors plus the cams, intake, exhaust, and pulleys might get you to M3 territory, but that would be nearly as expensive as a cheap turbo set-up or supercharger.

[TboneM3]

I thought that 93'+ cams won't work for non vanos....am I just trippin'

No, its the shricks that fit, not vanos cams maybe. Im not sure doh

[heifetz17]

wtf is on the side of your seats?
I had the door open in the rain when I took the pic.

[thedude]

I'm going to prove you wrong...or at least try! :)
I am going to dyno this summer before and after the throttle body...My car will be the gunni(sp) pig that is going to lay this issue to rest forever. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Actually I am considering doing the 2.9l stroker, but not until my car is no longer a daily driver. When you stroke the motor like that the compression is bumped to 11:1 which is not the best for driving around town. Any way guys, thanks for the motivation...I will get to s50 numbers w/ boltons...

-Matt<o:p></o:p>
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Ok, good luck dude. You might want to search for threads about cars having all the boltons and seeing how much power they make. It's less than you think. Thats why the engine swap is popular. For all the money you spend on those boltons (assuming new), you would be well on your way to an engine swap. There is an AA supercharger kit that puts your engine over 300 hp at the crank, and it runs at 8psi. But I think its about $5k.

But yea, good luck with that throttle body.

[KBtoys]

Mods in the sig, plus all maintainence is current and my car pulls quite well. not sure what i could compare it to, but it fells much better than stock.. very noticible difference when all the mods are combined... much more torque (not low-end) as well.

[PointMEby]

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But yea, good luck with that throttle body.

+1. Someone on the boards actually made an even bigger throttle body thinking the Dinan one wasn't big enough because he got 0whp and wtrq and he still gained zero power and lost some throttle response

[Jake D]

Interesting Thread. I've done a little looking into the cams. Pull the stock intake and move it to the exhaust, then run a Schrick 242 intake cam. (I think that's the correct #, but I could be wrong... working off a fogged brain-box)

Turner has a J.C. chip for the stock non-Vanos M50 and I think that they have the chip for the re-cam'd motor using the method mentioned above.

I have plans to re-cam, chip, turbo my M50 someday... maybe.

[thenewBMWguy]

i just checked on TMS and all they had for the cams was for 1993+ and they only had the 1 chip for our cars and you cant even give them the mods you have for it. us non-vanos people get shafted on everything it seems.

my mods:

nothing :)

why you ask? because this car eats up parts faster than i can afford them.

[RamGoat]

1) Dinan Chip
2) Custom Intake
3) m3 Exhaust
4) Tein springs
5) Tokico Shocks

Going to buy the Dinan TB when August hits so i can take advantage of the half price.....


hollerrrrrr...!

[downeaster1]

misa got a Dinan chip but thats it :(