carbon trunk lid

[2smokintires]

has anyone done this? is the vis trunk lid solid or chincey? is it a waste for the money? general feedback appreciated.

[mobil1]

subscribed. I looked into this as well a little bit. Is the pricing around 700? I cant remember.

[2smokintires]

i found them shipped around 575.

[Storamin]

VIS makes one... the quality is dodgy. I think someone (Furious) on bimmerwerkz had one and it was a total piece of junk.

[murdoc158]

I've got one on my car. It was on there when I bought it. I think it's a VIS though. The quality is ok. I would prefer a Seibon trunk. [cheap plug]Seibon is available through my friend's company http://na-dreams.com [/cheap plug] It does get compliments like crazy though.

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[liilpa09]

looks hot...got more pics?

[jmott]

I have a VIS one from ebay, it looks great to me, and bolted up and fit perfectly and is very sturdy.

The only complain is that you have to do some cutting if you want to make the stock truck latch mechanism fit on the inside.

[BSH]

Go with MA Shaw.

[jmott]

Go with MA Shaw.

For the benefit of those who might be interested, why not expound on that a little, list some of the procs/cons of the MA Shaw trunk lid, etc.

[BSH]

For the benefit of those who might be interested, why not expound on that a little, list some of the procs/cons of the MA Shaw trunk lid, etc.Pro: I've talked to a few guys who own the MA Shaw lid and they have no fitment issues. They're also very happy with the quality.

Con: It's more expensive.

[PrestoMB]

So with the MA Shaw lid can you bolt up all the hardware and what not without any problems?

[BSH]

So with the MA Shaw lid can you bolt up all the hardware and what not without any problems?That's my understanding. I'll be able to verify this in a few weeks. :)

[clumpymold]

I have one on my car and bought it locally (from the VIS supplier here). I paid ~$440 for mine, picked up, I believe. The fitment is fine but the work required to install it was ridiculous. Took me a LONG time. So long, I wanted to prepare a write-up since I took so many pictures. But it's such an intimidating job so I still haven't done it. :(

I had to cut and drill/redrill holes as well as measuring more holes and drilling. The latch was also a major pain in the ass to incorporate into the hood. It's really hard to explain but I'd suggest having a shop install it. The CF is so much thicker than the stock metal that there were problems getting it to shut properly. I also had to use ONE of my stock trunk shocks.

Pictures:
http://www.bimmerboard.com/members/clumpymold/original/Resize%20of%20PICT8213.JPG
http://www.bimmerboard.com/members/clumpymold/original/Resize%20of%20PICT8216.JPG

[BSH]

OT, but what's up with that wing??? Lose it. :nono

[clumpymold]

OT, but what's up with that wing??? Lose it. :nono
Haha, that's been debated PLENTY of times. I like it. I'm not modding my car for others. :nono

Besides, it actually gives the car a more aggressive look (which is what I'm going for). Without the wing, the car looks too "nice", which contrasts with the way the front looks. :(

[BSH]

Haha, that's been debated PLENTY of times. I like it. I'm not modding my car for others. :nonoC'mon, clumpy. This is bf.c!! It's all about pleasing our fellow members. :stickoutt

[clumpymold]

C'mon, clumpy. This is bf.c!! It's all about pleasing our fellow members. :stickoutt
:biglaughb My bad. I'll remove it then. For now, someone please photoshop my car without the spoiler. :stickoutt

[Realhotguy77]

I agree with the wing on his car. Without it it would look too nice. Unless thats of course what you want. I wouldn't go for the carbon fiber trunk. I wouldn't recommend it unless your car is a hardcore track/show car.

[xeler8]

I wouldn't recommend it unless your car is a hardcore track/show car.

A week ago I would have agreed with you but then I read a recent article on weight savings. Changed my mind completely when it comes to things like CF/fiberlass hoods, trunks, and body panels.

Jason

[Aradaiel]

Where was this article on weight savings?

[xeler8]

I think it was in the latest Automobile mag when they reviewd the lightest sports cars! At least I think it was in Automobile...

Jason

[xeler8]

Actually it was in Road and Track... The article basically covered some of the lightest sports cars ever built and how important the HP to weight issue is. I have always been one of those guys that believed that more HP is the best way to go faster but this article made a strong case for a lighter car is just as important. Since I read that article I gave up my aspirations to get some sexy 18" wheels and have settled on some OE LTW 17" to drop some unsprung weight. And I can see how 20lbs reduction from a CF hood, 10lb reduction from a CF Trunk, 20lb reduction from composite doors, 15lb reduction from a lighter exhaust system etc etc.... can really start to make a difference. I mean I recognize the difference in performance when I am carrying a 150lb passenger and started thinking what if I could take 150lbs from my car?

Things I have realized can be trimmed down and yet still maintain some civility

Biggest thing is probably lightweight wheels to reduce the "unsprung" weight
Composite Hood
Composite Trunk lid
Fiberglass or aluminum (OE lightweight) doors
Light exhaust system (all aftermarket systems are about 10lbs lighter than stock)
Trading full size spare for a doughnut or removing completely (replaced stock rims for lightweights anyway)
Remove rear spoiler if applicable
Washer fluid resevoir (most of us can live without this)

At this point you have probably saved close to 100lbs of weight which is equivalent to a small person or your skinny girlfriend and the car hasnt lost much if any of its civility...

Getting into the extreme:

Remove AC system (depends on climate for some of us)
Remove stereo or at least some of the speakers
Remove back seat cushions
Trade stock seats for Sparco, Momo style sport/race seats

Some might not even miss these things either....

Well, the only problem is that all these composite parts really add up and your spending a lot of money to drop only about 100lbs of weight when the same amount of money could be put towards a supercharger or something similar...


Jason

[s_ribs]

Washer fluid resevoir (most of us can live without this)

Remove AC system (depends on climate for some of us)

Trade stock seats for Sparco, Momo style sport/race seats

Done, half-way done, and will be done soon! Lol. Screw washer fluid (at least were I live it isn't needed ever)!

[xeler8]

Hahahaha, car is really moving a long Seth....

Jason

[clumpymold]

Actually it was in Road and Track... The article basically covered some of the lightest sports cars ever built and how important the HP to weight issue is. I have always been one of those guys that believed that more HP is the best way to go faster but this article made a strong case for a lighter car is just as important. Since I read that article I gave up my aspirations to get some sexy 18" wheels and have settled on some OE LTW 17" to drop some unsprung weight. And I can see how 20lbs reduction from a CF hood, 10lb reduction from a CF Trunk, 20lb reduction from composite doors, 15lb reduction from a lighter exhaust system etc etc.... can really start to make a difference. I mean I recognize the difference in performance when I am carrying a 150lb passenger and started thinking what if I could take 150lbs from my car?

Things I have realized can be trimmed down and yet still maintain some civility

Biggest thing is probably lightweight wheels to reduce the "unsprung" weight
Composite Hood
Composite Trunk lid
Fiberglass or aluminum (OE lightweight) doors
Light exhaust system (all aftermarket systems are about 10lbs lighter than stock)
Trading full size spare for a doughnut or removing completely (replaced stock rims for lightweights anyway)
Remove rear spoiler if applicable
Washer fluid resevoir (most of us can live without this)

At this point you have probably saved close to 100lbs of weight which is equivalent to a small person or your skinny girlfriend and the car hasnt lost much if any of its civility...

Getting into the extreme:

Remove AC system (depends on climate for some of us)
Remove stereo or at least some of the speakers
Remove back seat cushions
Trade stock seats for Sparco, Momo style sport/race seats

Some might not even miss these things either....

Well, the only problem is that all these composite parts really add up and your spending a lot of money to drop only about 100lbs of weight when the same amount of money could be put towards a supercharger or something similar...


Jason
I think it's funny how people tend to list all these weight reduction ideas but the easiest, ESPECIALLY since most Americans are overweight, is to go on a diet.

I may be an extreme case though. Since I only weigh about 110-115. But I'm sure I'm ~1/2 the weight of most on here. That's like all the basic weight reduction mods. And I haven't even started! :buttrock

[xeler8]

you calling me fat.... little guy???

Nah, I am 6.3 and 205 about norm

Jason

[clumpymold]

you calling me fat.... little guy???

Nah, I am 6.3 and 205 about norm

Jason
Haha, no. But if you think about it, before I even start modding, I'm already ~100lbs ahead of you in terms of weight reduction. :stickoutt

But oh do I wish I was your height. Damn you! :(

[xeler8]

Yeah you are... thats first good reason I have found to be smaller.... I am sure there are others though

Jason

[2smokintires]

Ya Know. I Was Thinkin That Besides Dieing Young There Had To Be A Bad Side To Twinkies. Going On Diet Right Now. I'll Call Lindsay Lohan And Get Some Tips. The Best Part Is Puking Is Free.
Since I Posted This I Got A Carbon Hood. There Definately Is A Difference In Hood Weight. Turns Out Alot Of It Is The Crappy Material Under The Hood Though. Still Debating Carbon Trunk Though. Does Anyone Know The Real Weight Savings.

[Mitch]

I think it's funny how people tend to list all these weight reduction ideas but the easiest, ESPECIALLY since most Americans are overweight, is to go on a diet.

I may be an extreme case though. Since I only weigh about 110-115. But I'm sure I'm ~1/2 the weight of most on here. That's like all the basic weight reduction mods. And I haven't even started! :buttrock
I'm 5'11" and 145lbs :buttrock I know what you mean. Just think about all the people who do every last little bit to scrape away 5lbs just to say they got everything, when they themselves could lose 50lbs and have extra cash leftover from the extra food. Oh well. Just makes me look faster*


*automatic 325, I know I know, you don't have to tell me. I'm not fast :D let's say "less slow"

[nismo skyline]

the MA shaw trunk weighs 5 lbs, the stock weighs about 25lbs.

[Jean-Claude]

I have one on my car and bought it locally (from the VIS supplier here). I paid ~$440 for mine, picked up, I believe. The fitment is fine but the work required to install it was ridiculous. Took me a LONG time. So long, I wanted to prepare a write-up since I took so many pictures. But it's such an intimidating job so I still haven't done it. :(

I had to cut and drill/redrill holes as well as measuring more holes and drilling. The latch was also a major pain in the ass to incorporate into the hood. It's really hard to explain but I'd suggest having a shop install it. The CF is so much thicker than the stock metal that there were problems getting it to shut properly. I also had to use ONE of my stock trunk shocks.

Pictures:
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So how long did it take?

[clumpymold]

I'm 5'11" and 145lbs :buttrock I know what you mean. Just think about all the people who do every last little bit to scrape away 5lbs just to say they got everything, when they themselves could lose 50lbs and have extra cash leftover from the extra food. Oh well. Just makes me look faster*
Haha, tell me about it. My dad was 5'11" and 116 lbs. 26" waist. THAT'S insane! He's "normal" now though.

But I DO think it's funny how some of these people are doing all they can to shave 5-10lbs. When it should be a LOT easier to shave it off themselves. They can use the extra money to mod their car more too. :stickoutt


the MA shaw trunk weighs 5 lbs, the stock weighs about 25lbs.
5lbs? You sure about that? That's pretty light. I think I weighed mine and it was around 8-12lbs. Don't remember though. 5lbs seems really light. :dunno

Oh, I think the stock trunk weighed nearly 30lbs (with the toolkit).



So how long did it take?
I don't really remember. I know it took several hours and I finally gave up and brought it to a shop to somehow figure out how to get it to latch. Turns out they just cut the stock latch and brought the latch upward. :confused

[StreetPro]

i have fiberglass and it is 9,5lbs unpainted

[M52 POWER!]

Who makes the lightest CF trunk? I am more interested in weight savings and having 1 painted than the CF look....

How much does the stock metal one weigh?

[azngouki]

bump I want more info on cf trunks
lightest
distributors
prices

Rich

[Mervon]

Anyone have any pics of the Carbon fiber csl trunk for E36's? I heard someone made one?

[1bad m3]

anyone have pics of the cf trunk in hellrot? ... i think it would look good on my car and be a great "MOD"

[clumpymold]

Anyone have any pics of the Carbon fiber csl trunk for E36's? I heard someone made one?
I'd like to see that too. Pics would be nice. ;)

[3literheater]

MCrazy had a thread where he replaced his VIS hood with an MA Shaw hood and said the MA Shaw was even lighter. He also said it fit better.

[clumpymold]

MCrazy had a thread where he replaced his VIS hood with an MA Shaw hood and said the MA Shaw was even lighter. He also said it fit better.
I also believe they're a LOT more expensive.

[CosmoM]

the MA shaw trunk weighs 5 lbs, the stock weighs about 25lbs.


Is that with all hardware (latches/struts) transferred?
Or a shell to shell comparison?

[andygtt]

I love carbon fibre and dream about a carbon hood and trunk........ I'm just under 200lbs so could do with the car losing some weight.
saying that my M3 is a euro car and seems to have nearly 100bhp more than you US guys so maybe I'll just nip down McD's tnight anyhow lol.


BTW clumpy, I love ya rear spoiler.

[E30andST185]

lid looks nice!

[azngouki]

How much is the CF trunk from MASHAW?
Their site only advertises the fiberglass

I would pay for a ultra light super easy installing trunk. I seriously don't want to redrill and alter too too much
What about seibon? Their site doesn't even have the trunk but a member mentioned that they are good too

Rich

[clumpymold]

I love carbon fibre and dream about a carbon hood and trunk........ I'm just under 200lbs so could do with the car losing some weight.
saying that my M3 is a euro car and seems to have nearly 100bhp more than you US guys so maybe I'll just nip down McD's tnight anyhow lol.


BTW clumpy, I love ya rear spoiler.

Haha, yeah. Under 200lbs? I'm about 105 now. :stickoutt

Thanks for the compliments though. :buttrock


How much is the CF trunk from MASHAW?
Their site only advertises the fiberglass

I would pay for a ultra light super easy installing trunk. I seriously don't want to redrill and alter too too much
What about seibon? Their site doesn't even have the trunk but a member mentioned that they are good too

Rich

Yeah, I had to do a LOT of drilling/cutting/modifying to get my VIS trunk to fit. Major PITA but it was covered in my accident. :D

[MAFA]

MA Shaw trunk is $750...

[clumpymold]

I think my VIS hood was about $450 or so.

[POPS M3]

Go with MA Shaw.

Below is a cut and paste from an earlier post: Ken
I did a MAShaw fiberglass hood and trunk. I did the mounting and the body shop did the painting. Got car back from body shop. Final total cost ended up at $2100 - ouch. Body shop did a great paint match and it is not evident that I have a fiberglass hood and trunk. Below is a post I did a few weeks ago.


Just an update to all who may be interested.
My stock hood, gas shocks & liner weighs = 42 lbs.
New MAShaw fiberglass hood weighs = 13.5 lbs
This gives about 28.5 lb loss

My stock trunk lid weighs = 23 lbs
New MAShaw trunk weighs = 10.5 lbs
This gives about 12.5 lb loss

Total loss is about 41 lbs and I've also got a little lower center of gravity and a little better front to rear weight distribution which should help at the track.

Overall fit of parts was very good. Cutting/drilling holes in the hood for windshield washers & emblems and in the trunk for lock, lights, etc was kind of a pain. Lots of measuring and remeasuring before cutting/drilling.


Was it worth it? For me, yes -- others can decide for them selves.

But, hope the next 40# loss doesn't cost another $2000.

Currently on a personal diet and down about 10#. 10# more to go -- its free and I feel better.

Ken

[azngouki]

holy crap clumpymold you're 105 lbs??????? I don't think I know any guys that weight and I'm asian lol
I'll email MaShaw and see how much the CF trunk is. ViS is cheaper but the labor will probably left for the shop to do so the total cost may equate to the cost of MaShaw