View Full Version : M Coupe (M Z4) to get the CLS motor???
Car & Driver or Motor Trend (can't remember which one) said the new M Coupe will get a tuned version of the S54, possibly with 360HP. That's getting pretty close to the E90 M3's 400+ HP.
There's also an article in GermanCarFans saying the engine will be 400+HP version of the CSL and possibly the V10 from the M5/6 for the M Coupe CSL!!!
Here are the 3-D wheels
http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/3050912.004/1007.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6050920.001/6050920.001.1M.jpg
http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/frankfurt/0509_bmw_z4_coupe_01_445.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6050920.001
dave is cool
11-06-2005, 11:11 PM
Looks sick.
NickM3
11-06-2005, 11:11 PM
Automobile is reporting 370hp.
rmani
11-06-2005, 11:18 PM
damn that thing's gonna fly, but I'd hate to see the price if they're using the CSL engine.
Flawless
11-06-2005, 11:19 PM
A V8 would probably come 2 years down the line. But I cant imagine the balance of the car being so great with a BMW V8. Those arent exactly light.
SpeedTheory
11-06-2005, 11:22 PM
looks a lot like a ferrari maranello.
JB///M3
11-06-2005, 11:27 PM
A V8 would probably come 2 years down the line. But I cant imagine the balance of the car being so great with a BMW V8. Those arent exactly light.
BMW 8's are actually really light... esspecially if it will be the F1 inspired 4.0L thats going to be derived from the v10 out of the M5/6
lkwd318ti
11-06-2005, 11:30 PM
looks cool
Those 3-D wheels look pretty crazy.
-Randy
Mitch
11-06-2005, 11:35 PM
BMW 8's are actually really light... esspecially if it will be the F1 inspired 4.0L thats going to be derived from the v10 out of the M5/6
Yes, even older V8s are lighter than iron blocked I6s
CirrusSR22
11-06-2005, 11:39 PM
Anyone click this thread wondering why they'd put a Mercedes engine in a BMW?? ;)
Seriously though, a M5/M6 V10 in the new M Coupe!! INSANITY :evil2
Biggins
11-06-2005, 11:43 PM
Anyone click this thread wondering why they'd put a Mercedes engine in a BMW?? ;)
I did.
gobuffs
11-06-2005, 11:44 PM
The engine will be the same 333hp S54 we all know and love...nothign special.
The coupe will not get a V8 or a V10. i don't even think down the road. If M can't build enough S54s for the Z4 until the E46 M3 goes out of production why would you think they will have extra capacity for the V8 to throw at the Z4????
dos Santos
11-06-2005, 11:45 PM
Anyone click this thread wondering why they'd put a Mercedes engine in a BMW?? ;)
Yeah, supercharged 5.5 liter in an M Z4!
Daved
11-07-2005, 12:11 AM
BMW is getting better at the wheels deparment.
Eddy@ApexRaceParts
11-07-2005, 01:09 AM
i don't see why they would put a different engine into the coupe version of the M Z4 then in the convertable version.
they are putting the S54 into the convertable and that is supposed to be tuned already" my guess it would be the same. i can't see a single reason to put a better engine into it.
http://www.mwerks.com/artman/uploads/bmw_news/034__scaled_600.jpg
dos Santos
11-07-2005, 01:58 AM
Its gonna suck cleaning those wheels.
Juicy Double
11-07-2005, 03:09 AM
damn that thing's gonna fly, but I'd hate to see the price if they're using the CSL engine.
The CSL engine is very much the stock s54, but with a revised ecu and intake (maybe just intake). Considering the e46 m3 is soon no more, the "CSL Engine" will likely be cheaper than the s54 is right now.
360-370 bhp will fly indeed. 4.4 L V8 reported, 425 bhp. So far I've heard the CSL will see no more than a 25bhp increase (450 max) but it seems there are other possibilities out there!
Juicy Double
11-07-2005, 03:12 AM
The engine will be the same 333hp S54 we all know and love...nothign special.
The coupe will not get a V8 or a V10. i don't even think down the road. If M can't build enough S54s for the Z4 until the E46 M3 goes out of production why would you think they will have extra capacity for the V8 to throw at the Z4????
That hood is looong and the V8 will easily fit. BUT, the z4 is bound to see a redesign shortly after the e90 m3's introduction (will it be named z3 again, since bmw is not naming all coupes even numbers ie. 4 series for the 3 series coupe?). That being said, I think bmw will can the V8 idea for the z4 and stick it into the next gen roadster. But then again, they crammed th s54 into the e37, but this new v8 is bound to be a little more complicated.
Matt P.
11-07-2005, 07:12 AM
Those wheels look like they came off of Sauron's helmet or something....
oh!
and whoever said that the new mcoupe looks like a maranello needs some new glasses.
MP525i
11-07-2005, 08:14 AM
the chance of them naming the car a z3 again is very rare.
yeah, i read that article this past weekend.. i think it was road and track.. where they tested the ruf 997 rt12 (so nuts... 0-60 in 3.2).
now how long will the m coupe run for? i mean, the z4 came out in late 2002 right? bmw goes on 7 year production runs, so that would mean the last generate of the z4 roadster/coupe would be 2009/2010, right?
i think i'll wait to order mine around '08/'09.
-mike
i don't see why they would put a different engine into the coupe version of the M Z4 then in the convertable version.
they are putting the S54 into the convertable and that is supposed to be tuned already" my guess it would be the same. i can't see a single reason to put a better engine into it.
Simply the fact that the people who buy the Coupes are buying them becuase they are more performance oriented than the roadsters, why not give em a little bit beefier engine.
Personally if it dynos with over 300rwhp, I'll be in line.
Simply the fact that the people who buy the Coupes are buying them becuase they are more performance oriented than the roadsters, why not give em a little bit beefier engine.
Personally if it dynos with over 300rwhp, I'll be in line.
ha. no. roady and coupe will get the same engine (assuming they even come out with an M coupe).
this (http://209.82.178.148/forums/showthread.php?t=20620) thread suggests that they will get a V8.
Mitch
11-07-2005, 10:38 AM
ha. no. roady and coupe will get the same engine (assuming they even come out with an M coupe).
this (http://209.82.178.148/forums/showthread.php?t=20620) thread suggests that they will get a V8.
Did he see the engines or did he just count the exhaust tips?
rmani
11-07-2005, 10:43 AM
The CSL engine is very much the stock s54, but with a revised ecu and intake (maybe just intake). Considering the e46 m3 is soon no more, the "CSL Engine" will likely be cheaper than the s54 is right now.
360-370 bhp will fly indeed. 4.4 L V8 reported, 425 bhp. So far I've heard the CSL will see no more than a 25bhp increase (450 max) but it seems there are other possibilities out there!
I thought the CSL was supposed to have an additional 10k worth of internal engine modifications done on top of the standard s54?:help
I still think it stands to reason that history wil repeat itself.
99-00 M Coupes: "Old S52 engine"
01-02 M Coupes: S54
??-07 M Coupes: "Old S54 engine"
08-?? M Coupes: E90 M3 engine
PrinceE30
11-07-2005, 11:24 AM
I thought the CSL was supposed to have an additional 10k worth of internal engine modifications done on top of the standard s54?:help
It's got a CF airbox and some ECU tuning. That's about it. No $10,000 worth of engine tuning on that car.
-prince
TinmanF1
11-07-2005, 03:12 PM
that's hot. not the CLS I was expecting, but hot regardless.
L8
Eddy@ApexRaceParts
11-07-2005, 03:52 PM
Simply the fact that the people who buy the Coupes are buying them becuase they are more performance oriented than the roadsters, why not give em a little bit beefier engine.
Personally if it dynos with over 300rwhp, I'll be in line.
when did the coupe ever get a better engine then the vert?
Mitch
11-07-2005, 03:56 PM
I'm going by what 6i9 said.
99-00 M Coupes: "Old S52 engine"
01-02 M Coupes: S54
??-07 M Coupes: "Old S54 engine"
08-?? M Coupes: E90 M3 engine
history typically repeats itself
Site won't change the title even after I edit it. Can the mods give me a fix?
I'm pretty sure the CSL has hotter cams too.
Keep in mind that MB, has a 5.5L motor now and may drop that monster 6.3L motor in too(though I doubt it since it's suppose to replace the 55 Kompressor).
NickM3
11-07-2005, 06:54 PM
It's got a CF airbox and some ECU tuning. That's about it. No $10,000 worth of engine tuning on that car.
-prince
It had some lightened internals IIRC.
PrinceE30
11-07-2005, 08:04 PM
Looked it up on German Car Fanatics. They have the official BMW press release. Intake, CAMS, ECU, reshaped valves in the head.
Internals are still the same.
-prince
Juicy Double
11-07-2005, 08:45 PM
^nice
MorningWood
11-07-2005, 08:51 PM
http://www.mwerks.com/artman/publish/bmw_news/article_895.shtml
Doubt the coupe will get more power.
Chrono7
11-07-2005, 10:24 PM
The front, like the normal z4, is still lacking IMO. It needs a straight edge bumper or a lip or sorts.
Brewster
11-07-2005, 11:14 PM
Hmm, that actually looks pretty good. Well, not the front so much.
RichP
11-07-2005, 11:20 PM
Like the Z4 Roadster; a V8 will not fit in the M coupe. It can fit, but only through the top; it cant be installed from the bottom, the way all BMWs are produced.
Beside, the M3 is already very fast, imagine it weighing about 3000 lbs rather than 3400. That would be the Z4 Coupe experience..
PrinceE30
11-08-2005, 12:22 AM
Like the Z4 Roadster; a V8 will not fit in the M coupe. It can fit, but only through the top; it cant be installed from the bottom, the way all BMWs are produced.
First off...
A V8 will fit in the M Coupe. Like when Schnitzer put on in the Z3 to make teh 4.4L roadster. Or like when Schnitzer put a 5.0L V8 from the M5 into the Z4 Topster.
Secondly...
NO ONE here knows what the dimensions of the next V8 will be and whether the engine could be installed any given way into a BMW. The motorsport V8 that Schnitzer and PTG use in the E46 M4 GTR is INCREDIBLY small according to every engineer that I've heard has seen it. We're talking smaller than an LS engine and able to rev higher and put out more power that most.
NEVER underestimate the M division.
-Prince
gobuffs
11-08-2005, 07:38 AM
Like the Z4 Roadster; a V8 will not fit in the M coupe. It can fit, but only through the top; it cant be installed from the bottom, the way all BMWs are produced.
Beside, the M3 is already very fast, imagine it weighing about 3000 lbs rather than 3400. That would be the Z4 Coupe experience..
The Z4 was designed with a V8 in mind. The chasiss was going to the basis for an Austin Healey, but when BMW sold Rover that went out the window. Or...at least that is what the credible rumors were a number of years ago.
zazen
11-08-2005, 09:17 AM
that looks pretty bad ass
BMW's European website has the M Roadster's info up. It's the same output as the current S54. That doesn't mean the M Coupe can't get the CSL motor.
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/index_highend.html
dunski
11-11-2005, 01:01 AM
automobile says just mcoupe with 370hp...
also says a M6 CSL and a M6 GTR mmm
This also means no V8, unless BMW loses it's mind and wants to invest thousands to make the V8 fit.
Alpine 318is
11-12-2005, 12:16 AM
Anyone click this thread wondering why they'd put a Mercedes engine in a BMW?? ;)
i did. those rims look amazing
Slick Willi
11-12-2005, 12:36 AM
i love the new look, im starting to save already :stickout
NickM3
11-12-2005, 03:01 AM
This also means no V8, unless BMW loses it's mind and wants to invest thousands to make the V8 fit.
Why exactly does this mean no V8? We don't even know the dimensions of the upcoming M V8 that is going to be produced for the E90. There are some small 8s out there as well as some large 6s.
sachin528
11-12-2005, 03:14 AM
Site won't change the title even after I edit it. Can the mods give me a fix?
I'm pretty sure the CSL has hotter cams too.
Keep in mind that MB, has a 5.5L motor now and may drop that monster 6.3L motor in too(though I doubt it since it's suppose to replace the 55 Kompressor).
I wonder how heavy the new 6.2L (marketing = 6.3L) AMG V8 will weigh....
IIRC, the output is about 500hp - but I don't think MB has anything that will compete with the coupe. The SLK would be the closest competitor, and with the heavy, hardtop 'vert, IDK if it would be a true competitor to the Coupe.
themadhatter
11-12-2005, 11:13 AM
so far, I'm all for it. I think it looks hot.
Why exactly does this mean no V8? We don't even know the dimensions of the upcoming M V8 that is going to be produced for the E90. There are some small 8s out there as well as some large 6s.
It's not a matter of fitting, it's a matter of the extra expense of putting a V8 engine in vs. an in-line 6 like they did with the M-Coupe and M_Roadster. It'll be BIG bucks to do the V8. I could see the CSL engine for the Coupe.
m3ntalmn
11-13-2005, 01:25 PM
i really dont care whats inside it right now if it comes looking exactly like that i will buy one. those wheels are sick. i have been dissapointed with bmw wheels lately but those wheels are insane.
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.