intake manifolds...

[Zaks]

ok i know a few people will say go search, etc. BUT i wanted to get my questions answered on this thread by someone who knows what they're talking about so if you can, please help. i was wondering what intake manifolds are interchangeable with what cars for E36. I have a 98 328i, so M52 engine, i think. I know that I can put an M50 manifold in for better breathing but i was wondering if s52 can put s50 manifold and m52 gets the m50 one or are the M3 and 32x ones interchangeable. please be as detailed as possible and also what parts are required to do the swap. thanks in advance

[beatniks325]

yeah you have a M52. the S50 manifold and the M50 manifold are the same, they would be interchangable for you 328 or S52 M3

[bennyfizzle]

is there any mani that i would benefit from (m50 e36 325is)(sorry to hijack thread)

[beatniks325]

is there any mani that i would benefit from (m50 e36 325is)(sorry to hijack thread)

nope, not a stock part from another model like for the ODB2's. I've seen custom manifolds pictured on the threads here before.

[Zaks]

thanks for the replies. if the s50 and m50 manifolds are the same, why do they have different names, or is it just because people associate it with the engine and give it the name ?? also, if i was to replace my manifold with one from a 96-99 M3, it would be the same manifold ?? thanks again

[beatniks325]

thanks for the replies. if the s50 and m50 manifolds are the same, why do they have different names, or is it just because people associate it with the engine and give it the name ?? also, if i was to replace my manifold with one from a 96-99 M3, it would be the same manifold ?? thanks again

yeah people just name what engine it came out of.

yeah a ODB2 M3 manifold would be the same as your ODB2 328 manifold.

[Don Nguyen]

thanks for the replies. if the s50 and m50 manifolds are the same, why do they have different names, or is it just because people associate it with the engine and give it the name ?? also, if i was to replace my manifold with one from a 96-99 M3, it would be the same manifold ?? thanks again

Bingo, they're both the same manifolds, just from different type of cars, both should yeild similar gains.

[mgcook]

what car does the M50 manifold come off of? sorry for the newb question

[beatniks325]

the M50 is in the 325

[chr328is]

How come no one goes with the schrick manifold???? I know it costs alot ($1,000) but they give you an instant 15hp (says bav auto, and turner says 15-20) AND are a direct swap, AND with the pelenium runners you DO NOT lose torque like you do with the m50 swap (which is noticable, like -15 or -20 ft lbs), AND which company, besides Dinan, is more reputable for our cars than schrick? AND what the hell BOLT ON will give us 15hp short of FI???????

I'm back in school now, but over summer (besides cams and lsd) this is at the top of my list. What does the m50 mani cost, considering you do it yourself???

from what I've seen, they go for like $200-$350 or so, and the kit to install it (eurosport) costs like $100 too. I know its like $500 more, but why not????

I guess I'm just looking for a reason against the schrick mani, does anyone have one?

[RRdawho?]

How come no one goes with the schrick manifold???? I know it costs alot ($1,000) but they give you an instant 15hp (says bav auto, and turner says 15-20) AND are a direct swap, AND with the pelenium runners you DO NOT lose torque like you do with the m50 swap (which is noticable, like -15 or -20 ft lbs), AND which company, besides Dinan, is more reputable for our cars than schrick? AND what the hell BOLT ON will give us 15hp short of FI???????

I'm back in school now, but over summer (besides cams and lsd) this is at the top of my list. What does the m50 mani cost, considering you do it yourself???

from what I've seen, they go for like $200-$350 or so, and the kit to install it (eurosport) costs like $100 too. I know its like $500 more, but why not????

I guess I'm just looking for a reason against the schrick mani, does anyone have one?


Um, cuz if your crafty, you don't need the eurosport kit. The swap costed me 20 bucks worth of hardware, +~150 for the manifold.

Who in their right mind would spend 1000+ for 20 hp??? If your going to spend that much, I would just save up a little more and get the JC Cam Kit.

DO a search, you will find out the Shrick isn't as impressive as you claim it is. The torque lost with the s/m50 manifold can be mostly if not cancelled out by good software tuning. Its actually recommend to get software tuning if you are doing this anyways since the full potential of the manifold swap cannot be seen unless you raise your rev limiter to 7200.

-Rich

[Zaks]

what kit do you need to swap in the M50 manifold ?? links ?? also, i'm planning on getting exhaust, "chip", intake, and the mani... the guy above me... you said software should be tuned... does that mean tuned to work with the other mods ?? i'm just wondering in what order i should do my mods and also which mods "must" be installed together, if any ?? i'm pretty sure that exhaust can just be put on and then the rest of the stuff, but where do i go from the install of exhaust? thanks for all the help

[jmott]

dyno graphs of this 15hp gain with no loss of low end?

The M50 will give you a 15hp gain and costs about nothing. If you are OBD1 like me you don't need any adapter kit. You can probably find intakes for $20 in a junkyard, or $100 here.




How come no one goes with the schrick manifold???? I know it costs alot ($1,000) but they give you an instant 15hp (says bav auto, and turner says 15-20) AND are a direct swap, AND with the pelenium runners you DO NOT lose torque like you do with the m50 swap (which is noticable, like -15 or -20 ft lbs), AND which company, besides Dinan, is more reputable for our cars than schrick? AND what the hell BOLT ON will give us 15hp short of FI???????

I'm back in school now, but over summer (besides cams and lsd) this is at the top of my list. What does the m50 mani cost, considering you do it yourself???

from what I've seen, they go for like $200-$350 or so, and the kit to install it (eurosport) costs like $100 too. I know its like $500 more, but why not????

I guess I'm just looking for a reason against the schrick mani, does anyone have one?

[Mitch]

Teh M50 intake manifold is perfect. God himself couldnt sink this manifold...

[jmott]

Teh M50 intake manifold is perfect. God himself couldnt sink this manifold...


well..if the schrick can indeed gain the same peak power with no low rpm loss, I'll take it.

[mgcook]

the M50 is in the 325

so if i have a 325is then i dont need to mess with that then

[Zaks]

ok so can anyone asnwer my question above ??

[bennyfizzle]

ok so can anyone asnwer my question above ??

http://www.understeer.com/onlinestore-engine.shtml

look for :

Eurosport High Performance E36 2.8L & 3.2L M50 Intake Manifold Conversion Kit


Teh M50 intake manifold is perfect. God himself couldnt sink this manifold...


they said that about the titanic too... :nono

[chr328is]

and no GOOD links at all. Unless anyone would like to link me in the right direction, I am Definatley going the schrick manifold route.

From eurosport.com the m50 kit plus m50 manifold is $650. (Not direct bolt on and pain to install. That I DID get from the forum search.) Gain of maybe 20 HP, loss of around 15-20 ft/lbs torque.

From turnermotorsport.com the schrick mani is $1000. Not much more. Direct bolt on and gain of maybe 15HP, with pelenium runners NO TORQUE LOSS.

I dont mind being the sacrificial lamb, but it looks like I might be. Its hard to beleive that no one in the entire forums, has the schrick mani. Another point is that we all know it COSTS AN ARM, LEG, AND 3 JOBS TO TUNE THESE FREAKIN CARS. And 1,000 bucks for 15-20hp is actually a good deal. We have people here paying $900 for the uuc rsc36 exhaust (I was also one, until I sold it and bought a stromung) And what does that $900 get them? like 3-5 HP!!!! So besides a decent Cold Air Intake (dinan, AA, etc.) for $250-$350, which gets us what 5-10 hp? This mani is our best bang for the buck.

[mgcook]

or you could swap a ls1 in it

[Zaks]

i'm planning on getting exhaust, "chip", intake, and the mani... the guy above me... you said software should be tuned... does that mean tuned to work with the other mods ?? i'm just wondering in what order i should do my mods and also which mods "must" be installed together, if any ?? i'm pretty sure that exhaust can just be put on and then the rest of the stuff, but where do i go from the install of exhaust? thanks for all the help

[328 is man]

dude the eurosport kit is such a rip off you could easily source the manifold and parts for under 300... please dont spend that much money on a marked up product

[RRdawho?]

and no GOOD links at all. Unless anyone would like to link me in the right direction, I am Definatley going the schrick manifold route.

From eurosport.com the m50 kit plus m50 manifold is $650. (Not direct bolt on and pain to install. That I DID get from the forum search.) Gain of maybe 20 HP, loss of around 15-20 ft/lbs torque.

From turnermotorsport.com the schrick mani is $1000. Not much more. Direct bolt on and gain of maybe 15HP, with pelenium runners NO TORQUE LOSS.

I dont mind being the sacrificial lamb, but it looks like I might be. Its hard to beleive that no one in the entire forums, has the schrick mani. Another point is that we all know it COSTS AN ARM, LEG, AND 3 JOBS TO TUNE THESE FREAKIN CARS. And 1,000 bucks for 15-20hp is actually a good deal. We have people here paying $900 for the uuc rsc36 exhaust (I was also one, until I sold it and bought a stromung) And what does that $900 get them? like 3-5 HP!!!! So besides a decent Cold Air Intake (dinan, AA, etc.) for $250-$350, which gets us what 5-10 hp? This mani is our best bang for the buck.

It doesn't cost an arm n' leg to tune these cars, you just need to know where to go.

Anyways, enjoy the link and your $1000 purchase. http://www.bmw-m.net/techdata/schrick.htm

Personally, if I have 1k to spend, I would invest in some decent used GC Suspension or a couple of track days.

[beatniks325]

bah bah _____ (the lamb got slaughtered by that link) :stickoutt ;)

i think most people around here around going to tell you just to get the M50

[Mitch]

It doesn't cost an arm n' leg to tune these cars, you just need to know where to go.

Anyways, enjoy the link and your $1000 purchase. http://www.bmw-m.net/techdata/schrick.htm

Personally, if I have 1k to spend, I would invest in some decent used GC Suspension or a couple of track days.

+1
If I had an M/S52, I think I could find a more worthwhile cause for left over cash from just doing the M50 mani over the Schrick.