VaderM3's new setup

[CeeP]

I didn't get a chance to talk to Pablo about his car, so I figured I'd post some pictures of his new setup and maybe he could tell us a little more about it. I don't think I've ever seen a turbo up top on the driver's side on a bimmer before. Hopefully he doesn't mind me posting pics, but the car was at bimmerfest so I'd assume he doesn't mind people seeing it.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/christifius/IMG_1115.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/christifius/IMG_1116.jpg

-Chris

[sardil]

Wow, FI and ITB...

Which engine is he running?

EDIT: Gotcha...cut intake manifold, no ITB

[332 RustBucket]

Wow, FI and ITB...

Which engine is he running?

I don't see ITB? :dunno

I see a m50 manifold with the runners cut and a throttle body infront of the alum manifold.

[jmc]

Wow, FI and ITB...

Which engine is he running?

There is only one TB there

[Spencer]

Wow, FI and ITB...

Which engine is he running?

ITB? There is one TB in front of the manifold. Don't get the runners mixed up with TB's.

Looks interesting. I'd like to see how they did they manifold routing under the car.

[sardil]

Ahh yeah, my bad. I just took a quick glance at it.

Its a lazy Sunday afternoon :cool

[332 RustBucket]

this is the throttle body I see :stickoutt

[card counter]

Wow that is interesting custom intake plenum on bmw runners.
I guess this would be better than stock if the the throttle body is bigger.
Still very nice job.

[DefactoM6]

Some more info is definately needed there

And CC, clean your inbox out dude

[///3oris]

I don't think I've ever seen a turbo up top on the driver's side on a bimmer before.

I guess you've never seen Mert's or MrBlonde's cars? Check out http://www.bavariacars.com.au/ they put the turbo in that exact location.

http://www.bavariacars.com.au/manager/images/d163395055.b1.gif

Boris

[icemann633]

Is the air sucked straight through that thing?? No filter?

[jetpilot18]

Is the air sucked straight through that thing?? No filter?
yep, just a stack. . . . usually best for strictly track use . .if even that :nono

[highboostingm3]

I have to say that I am really jealous! Pablo is so stoked! This is the second US bimmer I've seen like that but this one far exceeds the other one(e34biturbo). It looks absolutely astonishing!

Turbonetics turbos I love. I have a Turbonetics turbo in my Supra. The polishing and ceramic coating looks so amazing! Using the stock runners and connecting to a custom intake plenum with big TB was an awesome idea! Made it a ton easier for fabrication!

I wonder what manuevering it takes for all the wiring and hard lines that are in that area. There is a lot of stuff and you have to make room for the big turbo,downpipe, IC piping to and from the IC...

He is using AEM EMS as well. Pablo has outdone himself. This car is truly the Supra of M3's! Congratulations Pablo! :buttrock :worship:


Is the air sucked straight through that thing?? No filter?
I did that once for a drag racing day but usually people do that just for show since you are taking a big risk.

[Jaded M3]

Wow... That looks pretty amazing. :eek:

[T-Rex]

I have to say that I am really jealous! Pablo is so stoked! This is the second US bimmer I've seen like that but this one far exceeds the other one(e34biturbo). It looks absolutely astonishing!

Turbonetics turbos I love. I have a Turbonetics turbo in my Supra. The polishing and ceramic coating looks so amazing! Using the stock runners and connecting to a custom intake plenum with big TB was an awesome idea! Made it a ton easier for fabrication!

I wonder what manuevering it takes for all the wiring and hard lines that are in that area. There is a lot of stuff and you have to make room for the big turbo,downpipe, IC piping to and from the IC...

He is using AEM EMS as well. Pablo has outdone himself. This car is truly the Supra of M3's! Congratulations Pablo! :buttrock :worship:


I did that once for a drag racing day but usually people do that just for show since you are taking a big risk.
Are there dyno numbers? I mean, saying this one far exceeds Pat's car is big words - no offense cameron, but lets be fair to both parties and say they're both monsters. Pat's is no slouch - im sure u didnt mean it that way, but it sounds a little harsh ;)

Congrats pablo, glad to see you finally got it all sorted. How did the AEM EMS work out for you? My project has been put on hold - its in hibernation, it will return someday :devillook

[gol10dr1]

Are there dyno numbers? I mean, saying this one far exceeds Pat's car is big words - no offense cameron, but lets be fair to both parties and say they're both monsters. Pat's is no slouch - im sure u didnt mean it that way, but it sounds a little harsh ;)

Congrats pablo, glad to see you finally got it all sorted. How did the AEM EMS work out for you? My project has been put on hold - its in hibernation, it will return someday :devillook

if we are talking about pat's blue e36, he never even finished it. all the motor, interior and exterior stuff is done but it was never tuned and is not streetable to the best of my knowledge.

p.s. we need some specs and numbers for the love of god!!!!!! :eyecrazy :alright

[T-Rex]

if we are talking about pat's blue e36, he never even finished it. all the motor, interior and exterior stuff is done but it was never tuned and is not streetable to the best of my knowledge.

p.s. we need some specs and numbers for the love of god!!!!!! :eyecrazy :alright
I thought he was referring to Pat's E34, I know the E36 hasn't been finished yet. Although knowing Pat, the E36 will be equally impressive :redspot

[highboostingm3]

Are there dyno numbers? I mean, saying this one far exceeds Pat's car is big words - no offense cameron, but lets be fair to both parties and say they're both monsters. Pat's is no slouch - im sure u didnt mean it that way, but it sounds a little harsh ;)
To clear it up...I was only talking about the look of the engine bay not the entire car itself nor the performance of it. There is no dyno sheet to speak of from either car yet and the PTG widebody that Pat did...well in that respect they are just 2 different cars.

Basically I love the style of the intake plenum better on this car, the polishing, coating of the turbo and the polished intake piping.

I can't wait to see the dyno numbers! :buttrock

[T-Rex]

To clear it up...I was only talking about the look of the engine bay not the entire car itself nor the performance of it. There is no dyno sheet to speak of from either car yet and the PTG widebody that Pat did...well in that respect they are just 2 different cars.

Basically I love the style of the intake plenum better on this car, the polishing, coating of the turbo and the polished intake piping.

I can't wait to see the dyno numbers! :buttrock
See my above post - I obviously misunderstood. Both Pat and Pablo deserve lots of respect and complements for the great work they've done on their cars :)

[highboostingm3]

See my above post - I obviously misunderstood. Both Pat and Pablo deserve lots of respect and complements for the great work they've done on their cars :)
Oh absolutely. No sweat! That is the problem with text...doesn't show emotion. I am all good!:) I am so excited for Pablo! I can't wait to get details! I want to see pics of the exhaust manifold going underneath...everything! :buttrock

[ADVANT123]

Thats a nice setup, but why put the turbo there when boost logic has a manifold and engine mount that can handle up to a T71 turbo?

[T-Rex]

Oh absolutely. No sweat! That is the problem with text...doesn't show emotion. I am all good!:) I am so excited for Pablo! I can't wait to get details! I want to see pics of the exhaust manifold going underneath...everything! :buttrock
I agree - hope Pablo posts here once he gets wind of this thread. Really OT, but I thought I saw your supra in the escondido area (or wutever the city is called off the 15 where that In N Out just south of escondido) on friday night.

[CeeP]

"I guess you've never seen Mert's or MrBlonde's cars? Check out http://www.bavariacars.com.au/ they put the turbo in that exact location."
Haven't seen a pic of MrBlonde's car and I forgot about Mert's. Opps.

And for all you wondering if the car has been dyno'd, I don't think the car is running yet as it was trailored and pushed to its spot at bimmerfest.

[gol10dr1]

See my above post - I obviously misunderstood. Both Pat and Pablo deserve lots of respect and complements for the great work they've done on their cars :)

agreed! :)

[flipm3]

that is a sick set up! i remember readin in Euro Car at the hints of whats to come. i cant wait for numbers! btw does anyone know the specs on his Supra as well? im very curious

[highboostingm3]

I agree - hope Pablo posts here once he gets wind of this thread. Really OT, but I thought I saw your supra in the escondido area (or wutever the city is called off the 15 where that In N Out just south of escondido) on friday night.
If you did then my tuner must be driving it around. :mad I haven't gotten it back yet since the new tune!
:lol He wouldn't do that though...I trust him and only him with my cars. Besides, he has a 900hp single turbo Chevy Belair if he wants to impress the ladies. :evil2

[highboostingm3]

that is a sick set up! i remember readin in Euro Car at the hints of whats to come. i cant wait for numbers! btw does anyone know the specs on his Supra as well? im very curious
It had a 71mm turbo in it i believe but he is still doing crazy things with it. I think he even went bigger than that. He'll eventually come on and hopefully give us all the luscious info...I hope!

[flipm3]

so sick! i guess it would be nice to have a TC M3 and crazy Supra! haha, u guys are ballers!

[shim]

that is a sick set up! i remember readin in Euro Car at the hints of whats to come. i cant wait for numbers! btw does anyone know the specs on his Supra as well? im very curious
yup, i remember reading about him hinting of a new turbo to come in the april 05 issue of euro car. that thing has come a long long way & hes still not done. awesome.... i definitely can't wait to see specs on this.

oh & for specs on his supra, search for vader m3 in members list & check out his sig

[jonsibal]

It was great seing the new set up at the show.

The manifold will be available as a kit form. The piping underneath is a work of art. With this set up, no need to worry about the charged pipes scraping. The intercooler that Pablo is running is also interesting. More info will be posted in the upcoming issues of European Car Magazine.

BTW, Here are some pics I took at the show.

my car, James (covercar of current EC issue) and Pablo's car.
http://boostjunky.com/cc/bfest6.jpg
http://boostjunky.com/cc/bfest10.jpg

http://boostjunky.com/cc/bfest2.jpg
http://boostjunky.com/cc/bfest5.jpg
http://boostjunky.com/cc/bfest9.jpg

Pablo's engine bay pics..
http://boostjunky.com/cc/bfest3.jpg
http://boostjunky.com/cc/bfest7.jpg
http://boostjunky.com/cc/bfest8.jpg

I had a great time at the show meeting so many people.

[DefactoM6]

Those are three mofuggin impressive cars....the silver car i haven't seen much of, anybody know more about it? Jon, congrats on the cover of EC, man...you deserve it, you have one hell of a car....

[Croak]

That top-mount and intake manifold was the first thing that caught my eye when I saw Pablo's car there...instant "WTF?". :)

The "Turbo Trio" looked good up on the pad, and drew a lot of attention.

And it was good meeting you there too Jon.

[icemann633]

Would a manifold liket hat be beneficial on a NA car? If it was the large chamber with the factory throttle body at the opening, and then a cone directly after that with the hfm??

[guc32]

There is a duo of turbo car. The center silver car is supercharged.

That same silver car is on the cover of the latest EC mag.

[highboostingm3]

I just noticed his hood. :(

[CeeP]

Jon, why on your pics does pablo have a filter and on mine there isn't? Did he change it during bimmerfest or were those pics taken at a different time?

[Vader M3]

gentlemen, many great thanks for this thread and compliments. Once again, Bimmerfest is about meeting some great people and BMW car talk--just what the doctor ordered (for me). It was fun talking with some of you.

The guys (Jon and James) were laughing at me yesterday when we were shooting these pictures because I kept saying my car looked so wimpy next to these two widebodies, and I still stand behind my observation--I think you would agree ;-). Their cars look and I'm sure perform amazingly, and congrats to James for his award that day.

This build-up was simply an amazing accomplishment by those involved. Let me explain:
First off, the car had been sitting motorless for a while because JE was making newly designed M3 pistons for me, which you'll hopefully read about in the future. So in the meantime I was gathering the stock replacement parts I needed (gaskets, seals, bearings, etc) so that everything would be ready for build up.

The cylinder head was sent to VAC Motorsports in PA and was toggled between them and Swain Tech in NY a couple of times for the work and thermal barrier coating before coming back. Tony from VAC got it back to us in time for the build-up.

Wednesday the 13th of April (yes, 10 days before bimmerfest!) the rings were just going on the pistons, evosport in charge of the entire bottom-end build-up. I've always trusted these guys with the intricate parts of motor build-ups. Within 3 working days the engine was blue-printed, in the car with tranny, new UUC clutch, cylinder head (and cams/vanos clocked) and all the connectors/harnesses in place!

Monday the 18th (yes, this last week!) the car made it down to Speed Force Racing near San Diego, the same individuals who did the install on my Supra These guys can/will turbocharge ANYTHING. Monday night we still weren't sure whether we were going to mount it up top, bottom, left, right, etc.
Finally, Tim figured out how to do it and by Tues morning started work. Yes(!!), that means that in four days they designed and fabricated the entire turbo system from scratch! this included building an intercooler, mounting the turbo, making the headers, making the intake manifold, making space for the turbo downpipe, welding/designing the turbo cross-over and intercooler piping...everything.
By Saturday morning it was time to leave for Bimmerfest (as some of you may have noticed upon my arrival, I was running late) but we were seriously within 1 hour of firing the car up. It'll actually start now, but all that was needed was to relocate and refill the power steering reservoir, making one more fitting for the intake manifold, and tune the AEM for the new setup...that's it! But we simply ran out of time and so I trailered it. Still, an amazing accomplishment by the above companies. I'll have the car running tomorrow or Tuesday.
Some of ya may be wondering why go the turbo on this side. Well, everything has its advantages/disadvanges. Sure, this install isn't simple, but it definitely is easier than it looks. SFR made it that way by use of V-band clamp assemblies and spring loaded clamps so it could be installed pretty easily.
But, the car now uses near equal-length headers and I can run whatever size of turbo I want with a perfect gravity feed to the oil pan, no use of external scavenge pumps. The turbo and is also easy access for removal. Also, even though we didn't do it on my particular setup, SFR figured out a way to make this immense intercooler work without having to chop up the bumper cover and even retain the factory AC fan! Parts used were:
-Burns Stainless/Reid Washbon 321 stainless collectors and 6061 aluminum piping
-Turbonetics ball-bearing turbo, two intercooler cores (1000cfm each), silicone hoses
-RC 750cc injectors
-BMP Design factory engine parts (bearings, gaskets, seals, etc)
-SFR modified intake manifold, modified M3 TB, designed Turbo kit.

To answer some questions above:
-That intake horn was for show only. Actually, the hood won't even close on it, ;). But it allowed the view of the compressor wheel without people playing with it. I'll be using a 4-in K&N filter, though.
-If/when SFR decides to sell the intake manifold, not sure but I think they'll be doing the runners out of aluminum as well (not sure if cast or billet CNC), and making it a two-piece manifold for easy removal.
-The Supra now actually runs an SP71-GTS, the GTS wheel is 1/4-in bigger than the Q trim,and makes the .81 housing look tiny.
-Lastly, although there are a couple of other cars in the world with the turbo mounted on the intake side, the exhaust piping on this one way different. You'll see soon.
Everyone had their doubts about time, but they all did their part and got it done. It also wouldn't have happened without the immediate assistance we got from Turbonetics for getting us the stuff needed right away. MANY MANY thanks to they, evosport (http://www.evosport.com), Speed Force Racing, JE Pistons, UUC (http://www.uucmotorwerks.com), VAC Motorsports, AEM, Ferrea, Swain Tech, Umnitza (http://www.umnitza.com), ARP, Cryo Science and BMP Design, which I got all the factory engine parts from. Last but not least, many thanks to Jon Shafer for once again organizing such a fantastic event for the BMW community.
Testing and more technical/specific info on this car will be published soon in european car, so please renew your subscriptions! :stickoutt

[Vader M3]

Cameron, yes I was waiting to hear something about that some day after I saw yours. I got them done about a year ago but didn't have any pics posted til now. Unfortunately, the louvers alone weren't cutting it and knowing I'd have the turbo up top I had them redesign the hood to get the cold air in there. Wasn't trying to copy ya, just wanted air ducts after having such good results with them on my 951 with the intake air temps. And this was the only way to cool both sides of the motor. Had them make it in a trapezoid design like the louvers, not sure how yours are.

Ceep, this car keeps changing and changing, even at the show! ;)

[icemann633]

You're the man!!







Now im going to copy you!!! :devillook

[Vader M3]

Now im going to copy you!!! :devillook

In all seriousness you all are welcome to! Take any info and procedures I've learned with this car and use what you want or discard what you think is crazy and/or dislike (I know not everyone is a fan of this car but how can I expect everyone to love something so different--something you've got accept from the getgo in any project).
If possible, sometimes I'll be the first to try something out but sometimes I'll try something that also didn't work out so well (like gapless rings!). But I'll always tell where to get the stuff and what I did because the idea is to share with everyone everything in the end. That's basically it! :)

PS, love that pic in your sig. Big fan of Dakar and black wheels.

[Croak]

There is a duo of turbo car. The center silver car is supercharged.

That same silver car is on the cover of the latest EC mag.

My bad, I saw widebody and front mount and race seats and just assumed turbo. I just walked past it a dozen times checking out Jon and Pablo's cars, never really looked at it close.

And I haven't picked up a magazine of any sort for months. ;)

[ct323i]

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

[GG///M3]

can't wait to see the the dyno #'s. :) Are you still going to be tracking this car?

[jetpilot18]

I would love to see pics of vader M3's new turbo manifold. . . . .

[DefactoM6]

Ditto...this one I've gotta see...Pablo, that's some impressive stuff right there....

[Mikea]

Awsome Pablo congrats :) .

[SpeedForceRacin]

Hey guys,


I thought i would introduce myself.I am TurboTim from SpeedForceRacing.We built the turbo system,intake manifold for Pablos M3.Actually, this turbo system and intake was built in four days! We had an idea and then we executed it.We worked through the night on Friday to get it ready for the show on Saturday.Needless to say we were all pretty exhausted.Pablo did not sleep for over 48 hours in order to get the car ready and to the show!

I will discuss some of the components briefly because I dont want to spill the beans before the article in European Car come out.I will say that this turbo system will be offered by us in the near future.

The turbo is a T-66 ball-bearing.The headers are a tri-y design utilizing equal length runners and 3 into 1 merge collectors.The reason we put the turbo on the other side was to utilize the tri-y header design and to use a conventional oil drain without the use of a pump.Becuase of the location of the turbo we realized that we would have to modify the stock intake manifold.I came up with the idea of cutting the stock runners and building an aluminum plenum similiar to the intakes we build for the Supra.What is nice about this setup is that you can remove the plenum pretty easily to access the wiring,wastegate,etc........We plan on casting some aluminum runners for future kits.We wanted to thank Evosport for getting the motor built and installed into the car in one weeks time.They did a heck of a job.



Tim

[highboostingm3]

Cameron, yes I was waiting to hear something about that some day after I saw yours. I got them done about a year ago but didn't have any pics posted til now. Unfortunately, the louvers alone weren't cutting it and knowing I'd have the turbo up top I had them redesign the hood to get the cold air in there. Wasn't trying to copy ya, just wanted air ducts after having such good results with them on my 951 with the intake air temps. And this was the only way to cool both sides of the motor. Had them make it in a trapezoid design like the louvers, not sure how yours are.
Function is function. I have been thinking about everything. We all want to be different if we can but form follows function and when you are building a sick turbo car there are only so many locations you can place the turbo, only so many hood vent/scoop/louver designs, only so many widebody designs(that are tasteful)...eventually you have to do something that might look like something done before and that's just the way it is. I thought I was the only one with the turbo where I have it and then a 3-series e36 was found having it, another one in Europe and there are probably others before me. Now I realize that you had your scoops before me and I didn't even know. Great minds think alike. So it all doesn't really matter. They say "don't try to reinvent the wheel." Under your hood, your car is so f-ing amazing that it's really hard to find the words to describe it. I loved reading your story about how it came about. That is truly amazing. I wish I had the money to do what you did...I can't compete with that. You have really inspired me and I congratulate you.

[Vader M3]

Guys, thanks again. I think I may have to keep some of the pics offline for the magazine's sake, although I'm sure other people at bimmerfest may have snapped a few shots from underneath, which of course is ok. But I personally have to keep some info on the DL for now, hope ya'll understand. I do really wanna show and tell, honest! :D


I thought I was the only one with the turbo where I have it and then a 3-series e36 was found having it, another one in Europe and there are probably others before me. Now I realize that you had your scoops before me and I didn't even know. Great minds think alike. So it all doesn't really matter. They say "don't try to reinvent the wheel." Under your hood, your car is so f-ing amazing that it's really hard to find the words to describe it. I loved reading your story about how it came about. That is truly amazing. I wish I had the money to do what you did...I can't compete with that. You have really inspired me and I congratulate you.

Cameron: actually, you did have the scoops before me it turns out. It was shortly after I decided to do this that I saw yours and I was like, "oooh no!" But as you say, function is function and that was that.
If it makes you feel any better, however, I will say that I was first inspired to get the turbo above the engine after I saw your setup---especially finding out you were relatively local. Even though yours may not have been the first, it was the first that I personally saw and finally thought, "I think I want radically change my turbo setup!". So there ya go, many thanks to you. :drink1

[BeirBrennerE30]

truly an amazing car... i cant wait for the next issue of EC to arrive on my doorstep to read about everything thats been going on...

[jonsibal]

Maybe I can sell the pictures of the Pablos undercarriege on EBAY.. haha :stickoutt

Pablo, it doesnt matter how wide and agressive both cars are, yours is still the faster one :). But you did say you want a widebody.. go for it man.. you know you want to...haha :evil2 Hey if you get all the loose end tied up in the motor, lets meet up this saturday. I might hit Crystal Cove this week, its been forever since Ive been there.

Tim, congratulation on such an awesome job putting Pablo's car together in such a short time. The manifold and the exhaust pipes looks great! That was worth waking up early and driving up for the show.


Function is function. I have been thinking about everything. We all want to be different if we can but form follows function and when you are building a sick turbo car there are only so many locations you can place the turbo, only so many hood vent/scoop/louver designs, only so many widebody designs(that are tasteful)...eventually you have to do something that might look like something done before and that's just the way it is. I thought I was the only one with the turbo where I have it and then a 3-series e36 was found having it, another one in Europe and there are probably others before me. Now I realize that you had your scoops before me and I didn't even know. Great minds think alike. So it all doesn't really matter. They say "don't try to reinvent the wheel." Under your hood, your car is so f-ing amazing that it's really hard to find the words to describe it. I loved reading your story about how it came about. That is truly amazing. I wish I had the money to do what you did...I can't compete with that. You have really inspired me and I congratulate you.
Its great to see your perspective on all this whole "who done it 1st" issue. Its too easy to get caught up trying to be different etc but you show alot of maturity and class. I give you much respect for that. I'm sure we all have influenced each other in one way or another and yes great minds do think alike :buttrock



That top-mount and intake manifold was the first thing that caught my eye when I saw Pablo's car there...instant "WTF?".
The "Turbo Trio" looked good up on the pad, and drew a lot of attention.

And it was good meeting you there too Jon.
John, hey man.. the pleasure was all mine. It was great to finally have met you in person.



Those are three mofuggin impressive cars....the silver car i haven't seen much of, anybody know more about it? Jon, congrats on the cover of EC, man...you deserve it, you have one hell of a car....
Actually I was reffering to James' car as the cover of the latest EC magazine. Thanks for the props tho :)

[kalib0y]

Wow, Pablo! it seems like your set up will be the new standard for turbocharged e36s! Thanks for helping to pave the way for all of us in seeing the limits and potential of our cars!

[kalib0y]

Jon good to see you again too!

[Vader M3]

Kaliboy and Beir,thanks for compliments. Kali, I believe I read somewhere that you have some stuff happening up your sleeve, too!


Pablo, it doesnt matter how wide and agressive both cars are, yours is still the faster one :).


whatever! My car looked stupid next to yours and James', :stickoutt


But you did say you want a widebody.. go for it man.. you know you want to...haha :evil2

don't tempt me with the widebody thing. For two years now I've been telling my wife I'm almost done with the M3...and then the 951 came along...and then the Supra...and now back to the M3....

man o man, she must actually love me. I warned her, though, about what "I do" could actually mean. :biglaughb


I'm sure we all have influenced each other in one way or another and yes great minds do think alike

come to think of it, yours may have been the first turbocharged E36 I've ever read about! wasn't that back in like mid 90s? And I could swear that's your face driving that red car on the current BMP catalog, lol. Pic looksl like it was taken at GMR.

[kalib0y]

Kaliboy and Beir,thanks for compliments. Kali, I believe I read somewhere that you have some stuff happening up your sleeve, too!



Definately nothing in comparison to you! with all the power that you are putting down, a widebody is not a bad Idea! Its funny how a few of us widebodies have it because we can have wider tires, yet you have a stock body and perhaps putting down more HP to put us all to shame!

[highboostingm3]

Its great to see your perspective on all this whole "who done it 1st" issue. Its too easy to get caught up trying to be different etc but you show alot of maturity and class. I give you much respect for that. I'm sure we all have influenced each other in one way or another and yes great minds do think alike :buttrock
Wow. Thanks a ton Jon! That means a lot coming from such a vet or anyone for that matter. :) I probably should have gone to b-fest if for nothing else but to meet you and Pablo(and a ton of other guys that I need to meet). Next time you are bored during the weekend let me know, I'll drive up and take you out to lunch, my treat(Pablo too if he lives around that area). P.S. Nice new FMIC. :drool:

All that is happening lately is so exciting! :redspot

[M tastic]

Wow your car just gets better and better. Just to let you know I subscribe to EC for your cars build up :buttrock

[xpresscripts]

Wow your car just gets better and better. Just to let you know I subscribe to EC for your cars build up :buttrock

Word! His car is one of the best e36 m3's i've seen in person.

[hukalaki]

Wow, Pablo, that is simply incredible.

What was the impetus for this radical transformation of what was already a great car? Did you just get the urge to knock everyone's socks off with a wild-ass ride?

The car is simply a thing of beauty--the design and thought that went into it is obvious--even though you all were able to knock it out in 4 days!!! Incredible.

And I guess I have to renew my EC subscription too--I am an old VW+Porsche subscriber for many many years, and it was EC, VWP's successor, and your car's saga, that spurred me on to the AA Stage 2 kit.

Great work--What do you have up your sleeve next? :alright

[flipm3]

props to all of you. u guys raise the standard all the time in the bmw tuning world. sorry to get off topic, but Pablo how much power are u puttin down on the supra. and how is the spool on the m3 and supra? thanks.

[blakbimmer]

Pablo, congrats on the car!! I love every thing on the car from the color to the rims, CF and especially the BB t66...drool.....Great job man...your ride is definately my favorite m3.

[MrBlonde]

I guess you've never seen Mert's or MrBlonde's cars?

Boris, the first BMW E36 to be turbocharged with the high mount location (that I know about) was Martin Higgins in June 2001 by Bavariacars.

Pat Philpot built his 535 turbo using BCars advice and parts - I'm not sure when he finished it.

My M Coupe was turbocharged with the high mount location in April 2002 by Bavariacars.

I'm not sure when Mert Dastan finished his E36 Turbo project (it's been through several configurations) but he built it using BCars parts and advice also.

I've seen several US turbo BMWs with high mount setups since then - most of whom are in this thread!

[MrBlonde]

It was great seing the new set up at the show.

The manifold will be available as a kit form. The piping underneath is a work of art. With this set up, no need to worry about the charged pipes scraping. The intercooler that Pablo is running is also interesting. More info will be posted in the upcoming issues of European Car Magazine.

BTW, Here are some pics I took at the show.

my car, James (covercar of current EC issue) and Pablo's car.
..
I had a great time at the show meeting so many people.
Three tough looking BMW turbo cars! Congratulations to the owners and builders.

[BOOSTED4DRM3]

how does the turbo work being on the intake side?

[gol10dr1]

Boris, the first BMW E36 to be turbocharged with the high mount location (that I know about) was Martin Higgins in June 2001 by Bavariacars.

Pat Philpot built his 535 turbo using BCars advice and parts - I'm not sure when he finished it.

My M Coupe was turbocharged with the high mount location in April 2002 by Bavariacars.

I'm not sure when Mert Dastan finished his E36 Turbo project (it's been through several configurations) but he built it using BCars parts and advice also.

I've seen several US turbo BMWs with high mount setups since then - most of whom are in this thread!

not to be a dick even though this will sounds kinda mean, does merts car even exist since every time he claims to have 900 or 1000 hp, we ask for dynos or vids or something and he never produces then disappears for a while.

[shim]

how does the turbo work being on the intake side?
same way it does if it were on the exhaust side. being on the intake side means longer piping & a different setup with exhaust manifold and other stuff....

[QWKBMW]

Guys, thanks again. I think I may have to keep some of the pics offline for the magazine's sake, although I'm sure other people at bimmerfest may have snapped a few shots from underneath, which of course is ok. But I personally have to keep some info on the DL for now, hope ya'll understand. I do really wanna show and tell, honest! :D



Cameron: actually, you did have the scoops before me it turns out. It was shortly after I decided to do this that I saw yours and I was like, "oooh no!" But as you say, function is function and that was that.
If it makes you feel any better, however, I will say that I was first inspired to get the turbo above the engine after I saw your setup---especially finding out you were relatively local. Even though yours may not have been the first, it was the first that I personally saw and finally thought, "I think I want radically change my turbo setup!". So there ya go, many thanks to you. :drink1


Pablo,

Thanks for showing me your setup of the SPA guages....

Very nice setup and nice meeting you.


-Alan

[MrBlonde]

not to be a dick even though this will sounds kinda mean, does merts car even exist since every time he claims to have 900 or 1000 hp, we ask for dynos or vids or something and he never produces then disappears for a while.
Andrew, I believe the claim is now 1,100 bhp! :-S

Mert's car definitely exists and is fitted with a GT4251R turbo. I know Mert has been through at least 6 engines on that car in search of his goals.

I can vouch for Mert having built the car (the daily calls to Bavariacars for advice continue) but I wouldn't dream of touching his horsepower claims!

[icemann633]

The thing that he does have tho are some videos of him roasting some exotics...allthough it is never clear what setup he is using because he changes at will...

But anyway the videos are claimed to be with only 600hp and a vortech blower or some crazyness...

[LWRNCE]

With the intake manifold like that it frees alot of engine space aswell.

[MrBlonde]

The thing that he does have tho are some videos of him roasting some exotics...allthough it is never clear what setup he is using because he changes at will...

But anyway the videos are claimed to be with only 600hp and a vortech blower or some crazyness...
A bit off topic here, but I've seen those movies with the Ferraris, etc. Of course an FI BMW is going to beat a 350 bhp Ferrari.

[gol10dr1]

ya, a 1000 hp bmw would roast a ferrari much worse than the one in the videos. kenny, mert could silence all the critics witha simple dyno sheet ya know. as we have been through recently (with times, numbers, etc....) predictions are useless with out proof ya know? guess it doesnt matter to him though and that is all well and good.

[Vader M3]

thanks again to all for the kind words. It really feels great to have the M3 doing something again. Some know that I've been busy with the Supra and 951, but they also know the M3 is my baby.
Just for the record, though, I'm not going for the max hp out there. This setup we thought would work well for various reasons, and allow the use of almost any turbo out there (could easily fit a 74-GTQ BB turbo in there if I wanted to) without the use of an external pump and have good headers to boot. On top of that, the intake manifold of course. But you won't be able to fit a full 4-in downpipe on there, at least not for the first 6-8 inches unless you make some major room.
Reason I got the T66 is for its broad efficiency range. I'll be testing out the P-trim in various turbine housings (.58, .68 and .81, and maybe .96). After that, maybe or maybe not go to a Q-trim. But I'm building this M3 to stay together (ie no more motor build-ups) and I don't need 750whp. What I would like to see is quite of bit of power at relatively mild boost levels, which with the pressure drop in the intercooler and manifold I might and hope to see. Sure, I'll run the boost up some for some to see, but in the end I plan to keep this a pump-gas friendly car 99% of the time.
To answer the question regarding the Supra, it saw 520whp on pump gas (92 equivalent) before my bracket for the timing belt broke, and knicked a piece of the oil pump housing. So it's down for a while. But that was on a 71-GTQ w/ stock cams, and now it's got a 71-GTS with HKS 272s. I will run that one up well past 700whp, :D

here's a t66 map (excuse the notes/scribbles). but look at the broad 76% efficiency range. not bad.

[Mikea]

thanks again to all for the kind words. It really feels great to have the M3 doing something again. Some know that I've been busy with the Supra and 951, but they also know the M3 is my baby.
Just for the record, though, I'm not going for the max hp out there. This setup we thought would work well for various reasons, and allow the use of almost any turbo out there (could easily fit a 74-GTQ BB turbo in there if I wanted to) without the use of an external pump and have good headers to boot. On top of that, the intake manifold of course. But you won't be able to fit a full 4-in downpipe on there, at least not for the first 6-8 inches unless you make some major room.
Reason I got the T66 is for its broad efficiency range. I'll be testing out the P-trim in various turbine housings (.58, .68 and .81, and maybe .96). After that, maybe or maybe not go to a Q-trim. But I'm building this M3 to stay together (ie no more motor build-ups) and I don't need 750whp. What I would like to see is quite of bit of power at relatively mild boost levels, which with the pressure drop in the intercooler and manifold I might and hope to see. Sure, I'll run the boost up some for some to see, but in the end I plan to keep this a pump-gas friendly car 99% of the time.
To answer the question regarding the Supra, it saw 520whp on pump gas (92 equivalent) before my bracket for the timing belt broke, and knicked a piece of the oil pump housing. So it's down for a while. But that was on a 71-GTQ w/ stock cams, and now it's got a 71-GTS with HKS 272s. I will run that one up well past 700whp, :D

here's a t66 map (excuse the notes/scribbles). but look at the broad 76% efficiency range. not bad.


Your going to love that turbo it never gives up it just keeps going and going, I would go with a .82 a/r for the hot side spool is the same as my old 20g.

[highboostingm3]

thanks again to all for the kind words. It really feels great to have the M3 doing something again. Some know that I've been busy with the Supra and 951, but they also know the M3 is my baby.
Just for the record, though, I'm not going for the max hp out there. This setup we thought would work well for various reasons, and allow the use of almost any turbo out there (could easily fit a 74-GTQ BB turbo in there if I wanted to) without the use of an external pump and have good headers to boot. On top of that, the intake manifold of course. But you won't be able to fit a full 4-in downpipe on there, at least not for the first 6-8 inches unless you make some major room.
Reason I got the T66 is for its broad efficiency range. I'll be testing out the P-trim in various turbine housings (.58, .68 and .81, and maybe .96). After that, maybe or maybe not go to a Q-trim. But I'm building this M3 to stay together (ie no more motor build-ups) and I don't need 750whp. What I would like to see is quite of bit of power at relatively mild boost levels, which with the pressure drop in the intercooler and manifold I might and hope to see. Sure, I'll run the boost up some for some to see, but in the end I plan to keep this a pump-gas friendly car 99% of the time.
To answer the question regarding the Supra, it saw 520whp on pump gas (92 equivalent) before my bracket for the timing belt broke, and knicked a piece of the oil pump housing. So it's down for a while. But that was on a 71-GTQ w/ stock cams, and now it's got a 71-GTS with HKS 272s. I will run that one up well past 700whp, :D

here's a t66 map (excuse the notes/scribbles). but look at the broad 76% efficiency range. not bad.
Love all of the information Pablo. And I love that you are going to do all this testing to see what that turbo can do with your setup using different turbine housings.

FYI: 3.0L Supra T66 just made 370rwhp Mustang Dyno with .58 A/R on 91 Cali craptane fuel. I will take her to a Dynojet later to see what she does. She can't get more power since the fuel is so bad. Timing is max 10 degrees. Could try to lower timing more but 10 is pretty low.
Spools full boost at 3k rpm though! That's not bad for street use in Cali. I will try the .96 A/R housing later. I will also do race fuel tunes to show the difference you can get and how bad 91 really is for those not in Cali. They have no idea how lucky they are to have pump 92 & 93. We can compare exactly to see the difference of your BMW motor to my stock 2jz-gte! Good info for all!

[ADVANT123]

Vader, any estimates on how much a kit like this would cost?

[RogRacer]

That car has come a long way from its first introduction in EC...where the "high performance" intake consisted of some dryer hose from home depot. :lol

Congrats.

[gol10dr1]

Love all of the information Pablo. And I love that you are going to do all this testing to see what that turbo can do with your setup using different turbine housings.

FYI: 3.0L Supra T66 just made 370rwhp Mustang Dyno with .58 A/R on 91 Cali craptane fuel. I will take her to a Dynojet later to see what she does. She can't get more power since the fuel is so bad. Timing is max 10 degrees. Could try to lower timing more but 10 is pretty low.
Spools full boost at 3k rpm though! That's not bad for street use in Cali. I will try the .96 A/R housing later. I will also do race fuel tunes to show the difference you can get and how bad 91 really is for those not in Cali. They have no idea how lucky they are to have pump 92 & 93. We can compare exactly to see the difference of your BMW motor to my stock 2jz-gte! Good info for all!

cameron, any plans to take the supra up to the 600-700 hp range?

[highboostingm3]

cameron, any plans to take the supra up to the 600-700 hp range?
I mentioned the .96 A/R turbine housing...that should give me flow for possibly 720rwhp on c16. We will see.:) I will have three setups....58 A/R on 91 fuel map for street use, .58 A/R race fuel map for really fun street use...then change to .96 and race fuel for drag use.

I only brought it up cause it would be neat for Pablo and myself to try the same things with the T66 on both engines and see the difference. So I might get the other housings he is talking about as well for a full comparison. For some reason(so far)it seems that the 2jz-gte needs a lot more boost to produce the same power.

FYI: His turbo is BB and mine is not so it will be interesting to see if the curves are different and the spool as well.

[supercharged]

Pablo although I didn’t get a chance to meet you I was the guy standing with Gary as he excitedly ran down the list. "Look here and over here see the headers and check this out ... oh man look whats over here."

Right about then the guy came and grabbed you to judge so I went and hung with Jon LOL

Still your car looked great! Nice job.

Sean
D/A

[flipm3]

that would be great to see a comparison of the 2jz-gte and the S52 and how they respond to FI. please keep us updated. what turbos do you recommend for the race track? what will give the best response around the turns, and won't take long to spool but will have a lot of top end power?

[MVEED3]

Pablo,

The car looks really good. I'm glad the guys over at SFR took care of you. I knew they did great work but this project exceeded my expectations. It's good to know I have a local place to turn to if I ever decide to go FI. Plus, Kiet and I go all the way back from highschool. So tempting...


Allen

[MrBlonde]

ya, a 1000 hp bmw would roast a ferrari much worse than the one in the videos. kenny, mert could silence all the critics witha simple dyno sheet ya know. as we have been through recently (with times, numbers, etc....) predictions are useless with out proof ya know? guess it doesnt matter to him though and that is all well and good.

Andrew, I couldn't agree more.

[ICS Performance]

Congradulations and good luck. :)

[smoothracing]

I have some pictures to sell as well. Jon do you want to go half??
lol

Pablo, great car and it was good to hang out for a little bit and shoot the ish. Can't wait for the next issue to read about the progress..


James

[highboostingm3]

Pablo,

The car looks really good. I'm glad the guys over at SFR took care of you. I knew they did great work but this project exceeded my expectations. It's good to know I have a local place to turn to if I ever decide to go FI. Plus, Kiet and I go all the way back from highschool. So tempting...


Allen
I went there today. I mainly talked to the owner and Pablo but everyone was very cool! Some absolutely stunning things happening at that shop!

Pablo, it was a pleasure finally meeting you and seeing your car. That little trip will probably cost me another $10-$20K I bet. I am way too excited about car modding right now. :devillook

[BOOSTED4DRM3]

can you post pics of the manifold? what are the benefits & cons of having the turbo on the intake side?

[EMC]

can you post pics of the manifold? what are the benefits & cons of having the turbo on the intake side?

Well, those pipes and turbine housing get really really hot. I wouldn't want them too close to my intake manifold. It looks like they did a pretty nice job of wrapping that housing to keep the heat contained.

I could see doing it on a right hand drive car, but it seems like the downpipe would be close to the steering shaft on a U.S. car.

I can't wait to see the dyno results. Maybe those will tell us if its that much better to move the turbo.

[SPEED FORCE]

Pablo- She's looking great! Can't wait to see it when I get back. Tim always amazes me what he can do it such short periods of time.

Allen- Just do it already! I'll call you when I get back into town.

HighboostinM3- You sure have a serious collection of cars.

Keith Ta
www.speedforceracing.com

[highboostingm3]

Pablo- She's looking great! Can't wait to see it when I get back. Tim always amazes me what he can do it such short periods of time.

Allen- Just do it already! I'll call you when I get back into town.

HighboostinM3- You sure have a serious collection of cars.

Keith Ta
www.speedforceracing.com
Thanks Keith. It's too bad that I didn't get to meet you. Tim showed me some of the projects there and I really am amazed. I had no idea that shop existed. A diamond in the rough that's for sure! You will be getting some of my business soon. :D

[kalib0y]

Pablo- She's looking great! Can't wait to see it when I get back. Tim always amazes me what he can do it such short periods of time.

Allen- Just do it already! I'll call you when I get back into town.

HighboostinM3- You sure have a serious collection of cars.

Keith Ta
www.speedforceracing.com

KEITH!, I didnt know that you were a part of this. Building a masterpieces! Its been a long time. I just glanced over the website and said " I know the owner of that supra!".

oh and sorry for waking you up this morning...but still sleeping on the east coast being 3-4 hours ahead, you must of had a great night

Well definately be in touch when you get back

-Ryan

[Vader M3]

Cameron, good to meet you, too! I'm glad you dropped by their shop and it was cool seeing your turbo setup.

Supercharged, yes Gary seemed pretty excited about the whole bit. He actually gave me the idea to go T66 BB P-trim since that what he used on his Supra back in the day.

George, thanks for the compliments. Any many congrats for 730whp, that video is great.

EMC, yes it's close to the shaft but we finally fired her up last night and drove around and no steering probs. Plus I would advise to Swain Tech coat the piping and then wrap as well. But even yesterday with the car idling for the longest time, I had my hand just sitting on the turbo exhaust cover which was a good start. I know it's different under load, but so far so good, and something you couldn't do without the coating and/or heat shield.

Smoothracing, good to meet you as well and of course you car looks simply amazing. Too bad it wasn't featured with the new instrumentation...just awesome.

RogRacer, that intake --believe it or not--was a one-off from AA from like back in '97! They modified my MSDS bracketed intake with a "CAI" type setup. I kept it from that car (wasn't this black M3) and had it on my mom's 328is at the time. But decided to throw in another intake setup for that test. funny stuff, but they've come a long way of course. Hey, it worked though! ;-)

Advant, no estimates yet, you'd have to contact SFR for that though.

Boosted4drM3, we'll see. So far I can tell you the 321 triY header design and oil-drain back are more optimal, and the manifold should better suit a boosted car. This Turbonetics/SFR intercooler is also something else. I'm going for efficient, reliable power with a turbo that's very street friendly (I probably should have gone Q-trim but we'll see how this spools first).
We'll see, though---I'll have testing as soon as I can. I don't want to jump to estimates/conclusions yet. This is a big change, and I'm just as anxious as everyone else. Finally got her fired up with the new motor first first time last night (!!) so I'm starting there with some miles put on the car.
But yes it requires more heat wrapping and attention to detail in that department. Also, Power steering reservoir gets relocated to passenger side. You'd need a similar intake manifold and throttle body, which I think SFR will supply.

[jonsibal]

Right about then the guy came and grabbed you to judge so I went and hung with Jon LOL

Sean
D/A

Sean, now I got it. I thought you went to the show just to meet me.. haha j/k. Nice hanging out with you man. Cant wait to see the "new" project.
:evil2



don't tempt me with the widebody thing. For two years now I've been telling my wife I'm almost done with the M3...and then the 951 came along...and then the Supra...and now back to the M3....

man o man, she must actually love me. I warned her, though, about what "I do" could actually mean. :biglaughb


For better or worst right.. haha. Keep the marriage strong ... everything else comes second. :buttrock



come to think of it, yours may have been the first turbocharged E36 I've ever read about! wasn't that back in like mid 90s? And I could swear that's your face driving that red car on the current BMP catalog, lol. Pic looksl like it was taken at GMR.

Yeah I've been broke since then.. and there still so much to learn. Its really all your fault with your articles in EC. BOO on you :shifty

[SPEED FORCE]

Pablo- I was just looking at your SIG. You are trully a car nut brother!

[Vader M3]

Man, it's like I tell everybody (and especially my wife, who I always kid about but she is--bless her heart--a fantastic supporter through all this) that I really REALLY wish I hated cars. It's freakin' disease.
I laugh when I think of my grandpa telling me back in the day when I was 16 (nearly 15 years ago) that I'd "grow out of" this car phase and the desire for more power. After all, "where can you can even use that power?", is what he used to say. And that was back when I was trying get every last bit of power out of my Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5, but was only at like 150+whp, :lol. I remember barely outrunning the then-new E36 325is back in '92-93 (my GTV6 was really light) and thinking to myself, "this is fantastic!"

Somebody shoot me now before my life gets way out of hand. :help

I gotta give credit where credit's due, though. That day back in '97 when Karl Hugh gave me a ride in the red AA turbocharged M3 changed my car life forever. So I guess I blame him, :stickoutt

[smoothracing]

Pablo, I know exactly how you feel. :)

[SPEED FORCE]

Ryan- Don't worry about waking me up brother. It was great hearing from you. I haven't done the show scene in a while. But, glad to know that I have lots of old friends on this board. I will surely be giving you a call on the new wheel designs you guys (DPE) have out. I love those RO-7, RO-8. But, I want to a set of LS15's for my Supra. I will be in touch with you as soon as I get back.

Allen- We go way back from High School? Is that it brother? We used to share the same clothes. The Good Old Days! I guess I have to buy a BMW now to hang out with you guys.

HighboostinM3- I wish I was there when you came around. Always like meeting crazy guys you like. There is only a hand full of CAR NUTS like us. I just can't leave any car I drive stock either. Hope to see you next time you are come by.

Pablo- I know your struggles. I know your pains. When its all over and done with it makes you love them even more huh? It's always good to know you have someone that stands by you thorugh all of this. I'm glad my fiance puts up with it. Sometimes even encourages it. But, on another note. I'm glad that you are apart of the crew at the shop. We will always be willing to help you out and thanks for all your support! Your "PROJECTS" will always be one of our own. :drink1

Keith ta
SUPRAFA5T@AOL.COM
WWW.SPEEDFORCERACING.COM

[smoothracing]

Keith, do you have room for another car there? :-)

[highboostingm3]

HighboostinM3- I wish I was there when you came around. Always like meeting crazy guys you like. There is only a hand full of CAR NUTS like us. I just can't leave any car I drive stock either. Hope to see you next time you are come by.
PM me next time you are there. I will come by in my Supra (M3 going in shop) and we can chat. By the way...remember the Supra meet June 6th of 2003 when "2F 2F" debuted in Irvine? I was there with my Supra but didn't get a chance to meet you. Ever since I saw your Supra in Turbo Magazine I had wanted to see it and meet you.

This might give you a quick flashback...I only took a few pics cause my fiancee was sick of making sure people didn't mess with my car. http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=271898&page=3

[SPEED FORCE]

James- with a car like that. I am sure we can make room. ;) Call me if there is anything that you might need. ;)

Cameron- Thanks for the kinds words. She doesn't look like how she used huh? I'm ready to go DRAG racing. I will make sure we grab lunch when I get back into town.

[kalib0y]

Man, it's like I tell everybody (and especially my wife, who I always kid about but she is--bless her heart--a fantastic supporter through all this) that I really REALLY wish I hated cars. It's freakin' disease.
I laugh when I think of my grandpa telling me back in the day when I was 16 (nearly 15 years ago) that I'd "grow out of" this car phase and the desire for more power. After all, "where can you can even use that power?", is what he used to say. And that was back when I was trying get every last bit of power out of my Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5, but was only at like 150+whp, :lol. I remember barely outrunning the then-new E36 325is back in '92-93 (my GTV6 was really light) and thinking to myself, "this is fantastic!"

Somebody shoot me now before my life gets way out of hand. :help

I gotta give credit where credit's due, though. That day back in '97 when Karl Hugh gave me a ride in the red AA turbocharged M3 changed my car life forever. So I guess I blame him, :stickoutt

man, Im glad my fiance is a car nut also, otherwise i would have sold everything and probaly would be driving a turbo dodge caravan, lol (everything i own from now on have to be a turbo!)

[SpeedForceRacin]

We are working on prices for the M3 turbo system right now.We should have some numbers in the next day or so.




Tim
tim@speedforceracing.com

[kalib0y]

Ryan- Don't worry about waking me up brother. It was great hearing from you. I haven't done the show scene in a while. But, glad to know that I have lots of old friends on this board. I will surely be giving you a call on the new wheel designs you guys (DPE) have out. I love those RO-7, RO-8. But, I want to a set of LS15's for my Supra. I will be in touch with you as soon as I get back.

so does tha mean I can wake you up tommorow too? lol j/k

[supercharged]

Keith, do you have room for another car there? :-)

James - Good Choice it will be nice to get your car running the way you want it to. Those guys do good work from what I've seen and after all this time you deserve to finally have your car the way its supposed to be. It was good to see you at the meet.

Jon - shhhh people are going to start to think I paid you off to get on the Top Ten page.

Sean

[SPEED FORCE]

Supercharged- thanks for the kind words.

Cameron- did you by chance own Gabe from HKS old Supra? Looks very familiar now that I look closer.

[Flip_Side_the_Pint]

impressive. I've been reading about this car for ages and I can't get enough of it.

I wish I could have seen it in person at Bimmerfest but I wasn't able to attend (see sig pic, lol)

Where did you get that velocity stack on the turbo?

[highboostingm3]

Cameron- did you by chance own Gabe from HKS old Supra? Looks very familiar now that I look closer.
:( Yes...I get that a lot. But don't you worry! When all my plans are said and done, you won't even recognize it...the car will only be known as Cameron's Supra...kinda like how your's is such a one-off. :D

[TYE]

I blame Pablo for this more power craze as well. I was completely fine having an all NA monster til I rode in Vader M3. After that I knew I had to boost, lol. And now, seeing this new setup makes me want to sell what I just bought and I havent even installed it yet.

[smoothracing]

Makes me want to sell the blower. :devillook

[mrsha007]

pablo, who makes that velocity stack?

[carcrazed4life]

Makes me want to sell the blower. :devillook

Me two... And to think I haven't really had the chance to drive mine with the SC stuff on...

Damn Turbo people :help :redspot :evil2

[SPEED FORCE]

Cameron- nothing to be ashamed about that is one of the cleanest MKIV out there with the best parts. We will talk about what plans you have when I get back. Don't want to take anything away from the post. Sorry, if we got side tracked Pablo.

[kalib0y]

Makes me want to sell the blower. :devillook

you know you want to sell it... just do it! lol

[smoothracing]

Are you offering to buy it??? LOL

[kalib0y]

Are you offering to buy it??? LOL

no thanks, you know turbo is the shiz, James, come on now!? lol j/k

[mrsha007]

pablo, do you mind if i bug you by pm about that intake plenum? im interested in crafting one up just like it for the e30, just wanted to ask about some design points on it.

[SPEED FORCE]

pablo, do you mind if i bug you by pm about that intake plenum? im interested in crafting one up just like it for the e30, just wanted to ask about some design points on it.

Call my partner Tim. 619-328-4012. I'm sure he can have one made for you soon.

[mrsha007]

Call my partner Tim. 619-328-4012. I'm sure he can have one made for you soon.


it isnt for an e36, it is for an e30 m3. just trying to experiment and not conform to the cf air box everyone runs.

[jonsibal]

pablo, who makes that velocity stack?

Turbonetics. Other company make/sells those too though

[EMC]

Turbonetics. Other company make/sells those too though

Turbohoses.com has something very similar...and it works inside an air filter as well.

[Vader M3]

Tye, yeah I remember how excited you were that first time at the Speedway.
MrSha, yeah sorry I don't have much info on the internals of that manifold--you'd have to contact SFR.

Well, got the car fired up Tues evening. Trailered the car home and then Gary at evosport emailed me an adjusted file off another turbo car he tuned for my 750cc injectors and after a quick upload to the AEM EMS the car runs perfectly. Motor-wise the car feels great, and I can just start to hear a little whine under part-throttle midrange. But I'll be putting some gentle miles for the next 800-1000miles. In the meantime, it seems all the heat wrapping and stuff is paying off. Armed with my pyrometer after each drive I'm checking every angle of the engine bay and things seem to be just fine, but it hasn't seen any high rpm or any boost over 3psi either. That's it! (future reports will have to happen on paper, :D)

[SPEED FORCE]

She's just asking for some boost! ;)

[89325iturbo]

Were can you buy the the turbo intake funnel on Vader's car? It doesn't have to be polished like his. I've never been able to find were there sold at? thanks

[kalib0y]

Were can you buy the the turbo intake funnel on Vader's car? It doesn't have to be polished like his. I've never been able to find were there sold at? thanks

you can get it at turbonetics

[jetpilot18]

Well, got the car fired up Tues evening. Trailered the car home and then Gary at evosport emailed me an adjusted file off another turbo car he tuned for my 750cc injectors and after a quick upload to the AEM EMS the car runs perfectly. Motor-wise the car feels great, and I can just start to hear a little whine under part-throttle midrange. But I'll be putting some gentle miles for the next 800-1000miles. In the meantime, it seems all the heat wrapping and stuff is paying off. Armed with my pyrometer after each drive I'm checking every angle of the engine bay and things seem to be just fine, but it hasn't seen any high rpm or any boost over 3psi either. That's it! (future reports will have to happen on paper, :D)
Just a couple quick questions for you . . .

-I have heard of people running into problems with wrapping the turbomanifolds, and even intake manifolds due to the fact that it traps moisture and can lead to weld seamfailure or failure of the piping all together due to dramatic heat cycling. What concerns me the most is that since the manifold is routed underneath the block to the other side the piping and wrapping is extremely low to the ground. I am guessing that any moderate contact with water repeadetly could pose potential problems for you if you do in fact drive this car in the rain at all . . . . any feedback on that for some of us interested in the same setup who might want to use this manifold design for a daily driver and use it in changing weather that might put you in a little higher water or even just high amounts of water underneath the car you would experience on the highway? In Houston I constantly battle high water but I really like the idea of the turbo placement and the possible benefits.

-Also how is the wastegate integrated in your system (placement?)

-Are you running a core with the inlet and outlet on the same side like a DSM styled core? It would make sense to me b/c you would have less piping and bends but I am very interested also in how it was routed.

Thanks Again and cant wait to see what you have in mind next . . . :buttrock

Take Care,

-JUSTIN-

[Vader M3]

Yes Turbonetics is my place to go to for things like fittings, gaskets, heat shields and even that intake trumpet/stack. I also got the wastegate, blow-off, intercooler cores and turbocharger from there.

Justin, I hear ya and I'm trying to pinpoint all possible scenarios with this car. I'm picky that way, too. The reason I've got stuff wrapped is time---didn't have enough of it to get it to Swain Tech for thermal coating because of Bimmerfest. To me, Swain Tech is fantastic with what they can do. The turbine housing was done (and it has been showing slightly colder temps than wrapped downpipe), but way before. When SFR takes the car back to make its jigs for future production, I'm having everything Swain Tech coated, and possibly wrapped, too...just for the extra protection.
Personally, I've never heard of any problem with getting the wraps wet, but that's just me. If you're worried about cracking the exhaust it will be hard. First off, Tim at SFR is a fantastic welder, but that's besides the point of him using 321 stainless throughout. Additionally, the only part that could ever really get sprinkled on isn't even a welded part, so that's the least of my worries. I'm just busy monitoring all temps around lines and stuff, and testing in places close to exhaust with zip ties to see if they melt. So far so good
Wastegate is plumbed just inside the turbo, under the manifold, which is heat shielded from it, too.
I will say regarding the wraps getting wet that on my 951 I've got the downpipe wrapped and have washed that engine a few times and fired it up afterwards. I've yet to see any problems and the wrap still keeps looking the same.

[icemann633]

Yes Turbonetics is my place to go to for things like fittings, gaskets, heat shields and even that intake trumpet/stack. I also got the wastegate, blow-off, intercooler cores and turbocharger from there.

Justin, I hear ya and I'm trying to pinpoint all possible scenarios with this car. I'm picky that way, too. The reason I've got stuff wrapped is time---didn't have enough of it to get it to Swain Tech for thermal coating because of Bimmerfest. To me, Swain Tech is fantastic with what they can do. The turbine housing was done (and it has been showing slightly colder temps than wrapped downpipe), but way before. When SFR takes the car back to make its jigs for future production, I'm having everything Swain Tech coated, and possibly wrapped, too...just for the extra protection.
Personally, I've never heard of any problem with getting the wraps wet, but that's just me. If you're worried about cracking the exhaust it will be hard. First off, Tim at SFR is a fantastic welder, but that's besides the point of him using 321 stainless throughout. Additionally, the only part that could ever really get sprinkled on isn't even a welded part, so that's the least of my worries. I'm just busy monitoring all temps around lines and stuff, and testing in places close to exhaust with zip ties to see if they melt. So far so good
Wastegate is plumbed just inside the turbo, under the manifold, which is heat shielded from it, too.
I will say regarding the wraps getting wet that on my 951 I've got the downpipe wrapped and have washed that engine a few times and fired it up afterwards. I've yet to see any problems and the wrap still keeps looking the same.

How do you like the godzilla and i'm assuming the New gen?? comments on sound and performance?

-Keith

[95RogueM3]

BUMPING this super-old thread looking for updates.

Tim, did you all ever develop a price for these components? I dont see anything on your site, but thought I would check and see....:confused

[Captain]

:devillook

[Brad D.]

BUMPING this super-old thread looking for updates.

Tim, did you all ever develop a price for these components? I dont see anything on your site, but thought I would check and see....:confused

Pablo moved. I don't know if that's somewhere in this thread, but I spoke with him briefly and he moved to Kansas it looks like.

[slcook54]

Tim hasn't produced a turbo system for the M3 yet, we have been discussing doing a kit on my car as a prototype and going from there.

Tim was actually talking about doing a Twin turbo with me the other day. :eek:

[highboostingm3]

Tim hasn't produced a turbo system for the M3 yet, we have been discussing doing a kit on my car as a prototype and going from there.

Tim was actually talking about doing a Twin turbo with me the other day. :eek:
I have been emailing Tim to see if he wanted to use an e36 to build a jig for an equal length manifold that would position the turbo down below. I was thinking a T3 and a T4 for both mid level power and crazy power. Nice to see you guys are talking about it.

[slcook54]

I have been emailing Tim to see if he wanted to use an e36 to build a jig for an equal length manifold that would position the turbo down below. I was thinking a T3 and a T4 for both mid level power and crazy power. Nice to see you guys are talking about it.

Yeah, we talked briefly about different options regarding turbo location, exhaust manifold and intake manifold design. But I'll let Tim do the talking, just got off the phone with him and sent him the link to this thread.

[95RogueM3]

Pablo moved. I don't know if that's somewhere in this thread, but I spoke with him briefly and he moved to Kansas it looks like.
I had forgotten he had moved, but I guess I was hoping there had been some progress on the kit, regardless. :embarrasm

Steve, thats cool that you and Tim have been talking...:buttrock

[slcook54]

I have been emailing Tim to see if he wanted to use an e36 to build a jig for an equal length manifold that would position the turbo down below. I was thinking a T3 and a T4 for both mid level power and crazy power. Nice to see you guys are talking about it.
What manifold are you using Cam, is SFR doing one for you?

[highboostingm3]

What manifold are you using Cam, is SFR doing one for you?
Yeah, it will be a custom SFR manifold. I could have saved a lot of money and just went with the manifold I had before and a GT35R...but oh well. I guess I have to be different. :devillook

[95RogueM3]

I could have saved a lot of money and just went with the manifold I had before and a GT35R...but oh well. I guess I have to be different. :devillook
You wouldnt be pushing 800rwhp, though. ;) Cameron, Clear your PM Box.

[highboostingm3]

You wouldnt be pushing 800rwhp, though. ;) Cameron, Clear your PM Box.
Very true. And some day in the future, if I'm not too cheap to buy a new tranny, I'll put an even bigger turbo on there. :devillook

[Brad D.]

Does anyone know if Pablo even works for the magazine anymore? I was under the impression that he doesn't.

[95RogueM3]

Does anyone know if Pablo even works for the magazine anymore? I was under the impression that he doesn't.
He's still listed as their "Project Editor" :
http://www.europeancarweb.com/contactus/

[jonsibal]

I spoke to Pablo earlier this month. He now resides at KC. He's been very busy with other things but still writes for Turbo and European Magazines.

The E36 M3 is running strong on a conservative tune. He also has some new gadgets installed that he will be writing about in the upcoming issues (don't wanna ruin the surprise). I forgot if the BLUE ANGEL (supra) is with him or not but I know that they are still actively working on it. Keep an eye out for both magazines for the latest updates on both cars.

He still visits this site so he should be able to fill in more info.

[TurboTim]

We are still going to build a top-mount turbo kit for guys who want something crazy.We started building some of the jigs but we need to finish some others before we have a finalized kit.

We might also do a more conventional turbo system or maybe even a twin system on slcook54 M3.

HighboostinM3 is getting a custom one off kit that will make everybody drool .




Tim

[slcook54]

See you in a little while Tim. Can't wait to see Cam's manifold :eek:

[95RogueM3]

We might also do a more conventional turbo system
When you say "conventional" will it still be a top-mount kit? I would hope so..its nice to be able to see the turbo. :stickoutt

[slcook54]

When you say "conventional" will it still be a top-mount kit? I would hope so..its nice to be able to see the turbo. :stickoutt
You probably wouldn't be saying that if you had to deal with the SMOG nazis out here. I love the subtlety of Boris' setup. If a cop or SMOG station pop'd the hood, the majority wouldn't know the difference.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/slcook54/P7110009.jpg

[highboostingm3]

You probably wouldn't be saying that if you had to deal with the SMOG nazis out here. I love the subtlety of Boris' setup. If a cop or SMOG station pop'd the hood, the majority wouldn't know the difference.

Good point! I think an equal length tubular positioning the turbo down below (T3 & T4) would be the best idea for mass production.

Besides, you can't really sell a system if the customer has to remove or relocate A/C, hack up or hammer the crap out of his strut tower and so-on. However, a system putting the turbo on the intake side, as long as it comes with an intake manifold to work with it, could sell I would think.

[95RogueM3]

However, a system putting the turbo on the intake side, as long as it comes with an intake manifold to work with it, could sell I would think.
I should have specified that the kit would need to locate the turbo on the intake side. (Thats what I was picturing in my head) You are right, as no kit would sell effectively if it called for beating in your strut tower and removing the AC.

[slcook54]

Tim and I talked a little today when I picked up my car and it involved a GT28R

x2 :devillook

[highboostingm3]

Tim and I talked a little today when I picked up my car and it involved a GT28R

x2 :devillook
:wow Tim is da man with twins! The job he did on the R33 GTR Skyline was so sick! That would be pretty nuts if you did that. I thought you just had a supercharger installed man? :lol

[slcook54]

Yeah, unfortunately, it is too slow. I have been in too many fast cars recently and am definitely not satisfied with the powerband. I want some torque :D

[highboostingm3]

Yeah, unfortunately, it is too slow. I have been in too many fast cars recently and am definitely not satisfied with the powerband. I want some torque :D
Oh boy! :devillook We welcome you new turbo brother. You will now find peace and happiness with new magnificent products that you have never touched before...like the Electronic Boost Controller. :eek: Be cautious as you lay eyes on this new world where you don't have to park your car, whip out a different pulley and belt, then break your knuckles under the hood while your hot date shakes her head at you and jumps in a taxi before you are done to show her more boost. :D You will journey into a realm of smoke and burnt rubber, of BOV chirps and passers by with saucer-sized eyeballs as you lay down black marks past them. Fear not, this is where you belong my brother! :buttrock :redspot :alright :smoke3

[slcook54]

Oh boy! :devillook We welcome you new turbo brother. You will now find peace and happiness with new magnificent products that you have never touched before...like the Electronic Boost Controller. :eek: Be cautious as you lay eyes on this new world where you don't have to park your car, whip out a different pulley and belt, then break your knuckles under the hood while your hot date shakes her head at you and jumps in a taxi before you are done to show her more boost. :D You will journey into a realm of smoke and burnt rubber, of BOV chirps and passers by with saucer-sized eyeballs as you lay down black marks past them. Fear not, this is where you belong my brother! :buttrock :redspot :alright :smoke3
Hopefully my budget allows for this greatness you speak of :buttrock