Group BUY: InPRO Ellipsoids with Angel eyes

[NoSoup4U]

I just emailed Dean from altramotorsports and he is willing to do a group buy of $360 SHIPPED to the 48 contiguous states.

If you do not know, Altramotorsports (which I did not know either) is an authorized dealer and they give a FULL FIVE YEAR warranty on the product.

these are the real glass not plastic covers also. It is a direct replacement with bulbs and wiring. Fits ALL E36 models. Currently, they have them on special for $369 PLUS shipping which is around $25. So, if we can do a group buy of 10 or more people....we can get it for $360 SHIPPED. This is a pretty good deal and cheapest I have seen period.

Plus, the FULL five year warranty makes it even more appealing to me.

Here's the link: http://www.altramotorsport.com/main.html

Hit me up with an email and we can place the order. I am hoping we can get 10 people rather quickly. james.derry@gte.net

I am DEFINITELY in, no flakers either. You are either in for $360 or you are not. It's a good price and no I do not work for them or affiliated with them, I just approached them directly.

[moonluv810]

Just wondering if they carry ZKW ellipsoids too?

[NoSoup4U]

I believe they primarily deal with Porsche's, Audi's, etc...so you would have to contact them directly from those ellipsoids.

[scottycs]

The price is decent, but you are forgettin all the conectors and bulbs you need.

[NoSoup4U]

Dean says it has the 2 rubber boots, the H1 bulbs, the W2 bulbs, the factory clip/connector, the plug housings. So, it also says that on the website. So, he might be lying...but, I will try to get an email from him memorializing this in writing.

[scottycs]

Wow that's cheap. Because we ran into this predicament too, we could get the actual headlights for alot cheaper, no bulbs/connector/wiring.

[Turbo ///M50]

Originally posted by jderry
I just emailed Dean from altramotorsports and he is willing to do a group buy of $360 SHIPPED to the 48 contiguous states.

If you do not know, Altramotorsports (which I did not know either) is an authorized dealer and they give a FULL FIVE YEAR warranty on the product.

Are these the ones made in germany or the one made in tiawan?

and does it include all the wiring so we dont have to splice

if so Im in

Steve







these are the real glass not plastic covers also. It is a direct replacement with bulbs and wiring. Fits ALL E36 models. Currently, they have them on special for $369 PLUS shipping which is around $25. So, if we can do a group buy of 10 or more people....we can get it for $360 SHIPPED. This is a pretty good deal and cheapest I have seen period.

Plus, the FULL five year warranty makes it even more appealing to me.

Here's the link: http://www.altramotorsport.com/main.html

Hit me up with an email and we can place the order. I am hoping we can get 10 people rather quickly. james.derry@gte.net

I am DEFINITELY in, no flakers either. You are either in for $360 or you are not. It's a good price and no I do not work for them or affiliated with them, I just approached them directly.

[NoSoup4U]

I just received an email from Dean...I will keep you guys informed.

I hope this helps, anymore questions, feel free to ask and I will try to get them answered. I requested he send me the directions that are included so we can get an idea of the install, the time he approximates is about 30 minutes for each side.

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James-

they are most definitely and absolutely made in Germany. We are an
authorized dealer for INpro

The connectors will be a clip on style thus retaining the full
functionality of the original connector when you wan to put it back on

working on the directions for some reason the whole network is pooched here.
I will have to see if I can scan them at home and e-mail them to you

Call me direct if you want if you have further questions.

Dean

203-778-6836

www.altramotorsport.com


----- Original Message -----
From: Derry, James
To: ;
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:11 AM
Subject: I think it will be defininitely more than 10 people...


> I have had many people email me. They want to know these questions also:
>
> 1) do we need to do any splicing to hook these up, or is it a complete
plug
> and your done?
>
> 2) Is it possible to see a copy of the directions, can you scan them in?
>
> 3) Are these from taiwan or germany?
>
> Thanks Dean
>


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[NoSoup4U]

Ignore the top comments because he thought I was someone that had been bugging him for discounts and trying to get something for free. I guess he deals with some pretty rude teenagers at times. He made some derogatory comments about the M3....but I think we smoothed it over. From what I can see and I wrote him to make sure, it does not come with the rubber boots or the 4 H1 bulbs. So, you guys decide if it is still worth it. I know scotty's comes with everything, the rubber boots I really don't care about, the 4 H1 bulbs may be a different story. What do other people think, is $360 SHIPPED (mind you) still worth it? Scotty's is about $405 shipped. So difference here is $45, is not receiving the 4 H1 bulbs and rubber boots not worth it?

Oh they ARE clip-on connectors- so it seems that there is no splicing. Correct me if I am wrong Scotty, but I think you need to do some splicing with yours. But, I will check and post directions when I receive them.

Thanks guys.

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James-
As for cars, its my passion is what drove me to open the shop and a Inpro
(lights ) dealership.

I have two cars one is a Porsche 911 Strosek ( project cars ) and the other
is a vw Golf

so sorry about comments.

items included

1) plug housings (2 of them)
4) W2 bulbs for the rings
5) factory BMW connector
6) factor BMW clip harness
Glass ellipsoids with fully factory installed Celis Rings (angel eyes to
mortals)
German quality , 5 year warranty

instructions and a definite improvement in service.

Dean

[scottycs]

You will also need the acutal conectors to plug into the headlight. $10 bucks a side, only avaible at dealer, I doubt he has them, and the little pins that go in there.

Like Nopi, and all the others (even though they say they think they come with connectors, they don't) you will just get the actual Headlight.

With my kit you will get the connectors w/ rubber boots, wiring, 4 h1 bulbs, 6 wedge bulbs (4 ring bulbs, 2 city light bulbs). Call your dealer and price these parts, you will end up way over 400 shipped. Also some dealers will not sell you these parts.

[scottycs]

I called Dean today, I can say that he is no where near professional and very rude. Also he blew my question off to everything I asked and just was like yeah. He told me a lot of false information as well, like the in pros are better quality then ZKW's.:laugh :laugh Not that InPros are bad, its just you get what you pay for.

I also believe he is just giving you the actual assembly and nothing else.

I encourage you to call him up and ask him about the InPro lights.

[BS05ZHP]

is there another thread about your kit?

Thanks,

[scottycs]

Its on DTM, and I think on here. Heres Pics of the lights and are Phone #.

Angel Eyes (http://forum.dtmpower.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41343)

[moonluv810]

I'd be much more interested if they offered ZKW angel eyes. But I'm not too sure if there is such a thing :)

[PDX///M]

I purchased a set of these in a group buy on DTM from abramsmotorsports.com

They came with:
Inpro lights
4 H1 Bulbs
2 - Euro connectors (round twist on connector with 4 pin holes)
8 - Crimp on posts to connect wires to the euro connector
4 - Vampire tap wire connectors

Basically the US connector wont fit these lights so you need to either remove the US connector or spice into the wires. The kit I received had everything included for $370. The Euro connectors are about $15/pr from the dealer.

So if everything is included for $360 that is a good deal. If you have to purchase all the extras then its an okay deal.

[speedandosound]

Originally posted by jderry
Dean says it has the 2 rubber boots, the H1 bulbs, the W2 bulbs, the factory clip/connector, the plug housings. So, it also says that on the website. So, he might be lying...but, I will try to get an email from him memorializing this in writing.

and finally Dean had to show up to this thread.

Being for a prolonged amount of time in business and dealing with all kinds of customers is not easy. But hey when scottycs called that night I spent more than a half hour with him on the phone. What he didnt like to hear is that ZKW lights are actually made in Taiwan. Although they are advertised by ZKW that they are true german made lights they are not, trust me as I sell them as well. AND they are not a comparable product. the internals are of much lesser quality.

i have dissasambled both and found INPro to be superior. I mean I dont cut corners on my cars so why should my customers.

German parts for german Cars.

Dean

www.altramotorsport.com

[scottycs]

You spoke to me for two seconds, you must be thinking of someone else. InPros better than ZKWs?? :laugh :laugh Your wrong about them being made in Taiwan, only SOME are. Look at the inpro's and look at the ZKWs and tell me the inpros are better with a straight face. I mean the Inpros have a inner PLASTIC Lens. It is a well known fact that the Inpros are a lesser quality, but are still good.


Originally posted by speedandosound


and finally Dean had to show up to this thread.

Being for a prolonged amount of time in business and dealing with all kinds of customers is not easy. But hey when scottycs called that night I spent more than a half hour with him on the phone. What he didnt like to hear is that ZKW lights are actually made in Taiwan. Although they are advertised by ZKW that they are true german made lights they are not, trust me as I sell them as well. AND they are not a comparable product. the internals are of much lesser quality.

i have dissasambled both and found INPro to be superior. I mean I dont cut corners on my cars so why should my customers.

German parts for german Cars.

Dean

www.altramotorsport.com

[speedandosound]

The whole ZKW line of ANgel Eyes is MANUFACTURED in Taipei, Taiwan. :clap:

So Scotty other than the fact that germans provide the cardboard packaging there is nothing German about ZKW at all.

Unless you are telling me that I didnt see them with my own eyes correctly.


Anyways, I took my time to explain you everything. The fact that you were able to reach me rather late and that I freely offer my phone number to anyone including my home phone number shows that I have nothing to worry about the product that I sell and I stand behind it.



INpro is made in Germany, hands down...

German manufacturing IS SUPERIOR to taiwanese!

Otherwise your Bimmer would be made in Taiwan.


:buttrock :D

[scottycs]

You did not talk to me, you told me to "call back later". Second ZKWs do not have angel eyes.

ZKW is a SUPERIOR headlight, open them up and look. It is obvious.

Where is the proof the ZKWs are made in Taiwan?? some may be, but not all. Also ZKWs are OEM and InPros are not.

The InPros are good lights, thats why we sell them, but we don't advertise they are better than the ZKWs, bc they are not.

[PDX///M]

Blah Blah Blah Bla Blaaaaaa

It really doesnt matter. The inpros are a good solution for those that want a plug and play angel eye solution.

The ZKW's are a good solution for those who dont want angel eyes.

I think the DE and DDE is a hack option and wouldnt want to cut up a good set of ZKW's.

ZKW's = $320 or so
InPro = $360 or so
DDE = $300 ???

I think the $250-300 you save with the Inpro is worth the SLIGHT difference in quality if any at all.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[scottycs]

You are correct, but dean is mistaken about his assumptions with the ZKWs.

[John in Houston]

Alex,

As someone who is contemplating the upgrade to ellipsoid lighting, I appreciate the time that you (or an associate) took in generating this comparison.

As you clearly mention, the ZKW appears to be a better made product. This is easily seen in your step-by-step pictorial.

Thanks for the unbiased comparison!

John.

[moonluv810]

This may sound stupid....

What is/are the difference(s) between angel eyes and demon eyes?

TIA

[PDX///M]

Jim Powell just calls his custom eyes "demon eyes"

The original 5 series lights were called angel eyes. Then Jim decided he could market a custom fit kit for the E36 cars and he called them demon eyes because he thought they made the car look mean rather than like an angel :)

The inpro "rings" are more yellow than Jim Powells setup. But they also were pre installed and no messing around which in my book is well worth it.

The Demon Eyes are more blueish, the inpros are a lot closer to the original 5 series lights.

[scottycs]

They are the same thing. With the Demon Eyes you must install them into the headlight yourself and they are pricey. With the InPros they are alot cheaper and already installed, but not quite as bright.

[///M LIFE©]

Im in on the GB
There are the replace ment headlamps right?
also are there HID bulbs or what?
thanks
ali

[NoSoup4U]

I did a little research with altramotorsports.com and some people did not have favorable things to say. I think if "saving" $15 is the only thing, then it is not worth it compared to other competitors whom have favorable feedback would be more prudent at this point.

Moreover, I researched the inpro's compared to Hella's, ZKW's, and what's the other one? I think, for myself, I will personally save up the money and go with ZKW ellipsoids with the angel eyes. This will cost ALOT more. I am trying to see if anyone around me has inpro's; but, I have seen the ZKW's with angel eyes, and it looks REALLY good.

To get quality, you have to pay for quality. I am not saying INPRO is NOT quality; but, until I see it with my OWN two eyes how it looks compared to the ZKW's....I will hold off judgment and in favor of the ZKW's since I have seen them.

I have spoken to Scotty and an associate of his, Alex Chen? They seem to know their ellipsoids very well and it seems a very cost feasible alternative. I would suggest contacting him directly for more information.

However, for me, owning an M3 can be costly and if you are willing to own one, in my humble opinion, you should be willing to spend $$ for the best parts, or at least, OEM parts. Although, it is very hard to find these ellipsoids right now with DDE's installed, I have searched and only found a couple of places that have them in stock ready to ship.....

I am curious to see if anyone has ordered them off of EBAY from the person in Germany....they are ZKW's with ellipsoids for $379 plus $45 shipping, PS - email him directly and he will sell them for $409 TOTAL (shipped). ...I forget what it comes with....and he includes the bulbs, wiring, connectors. <---that's what he SAYS...so I don't know.

My friend imports Kerschner products directly and also just imported an M5 from Germany, he is looking to finding out whether he can obtain these angel eyes in the ZKW's for a group buy price. I will keep you guys abreast.

[jsp98m3]

Just a clarification. I'm a fair person and if you don't have the money, you don't have the money. Nothing wrong with that. We all make decisions about where to put our money. Some buy BMW, some buy Hondas. Both get you to work on time.

Same with lights. But the Daylight Demon Eyes are much brighter than the In Pros when installed correctly. I have sold DDE kits to In Pro owners who are trying to retrofit their In Pros after seeing their friend's cars with ZKWs and DDEs. The shape of the ring is also a bit different than stock on the In Pros. But it isn't really noticeable with eyebrows, if you have them.

I'm sure the In Pros are ok, maybe great lights. But I did want to set the story straight on ring light output.

[scottycs]

You are speaking of the rings?

I believe he ment the actual light output.

[NoSoup4U]

That is what I meant, the ZKW's with DDE's installed. I think the cheapest I have found is $700 plus shipping, if anyone knows of prices that are cheaper...feel free to let me know please. I am a little torn between going with ZKW's and the full HID install, or ZKW's with DDE's.

But - to me, they look "quality"; not saying Inpro's are not quality-made; but, I think pictures can be deceiving and too many times I think people use photoshop to enhance their pictures used, plus it seems everyone uses the same damn pictures when selling products, so hard to tell if it REALLY looks that way.

Anyone in Md/VA/DC have inpro's, love to see them and get your opinion. I know my friends with the ZKW's and DDE's...love them to death....they say it was worth every penny...but, like I mentioned above....it's a big cost difference, about the cost of a new Valentine one radar detector (hehehhe).....

[scottycs]

Never seen the DDE. I am kinda hesitent after purchasing the DE.

Good luck with your purchase. I am not sure if I will upgrade to the DDEs or get inpros.

[PDX///M]

I just put my inpros in and ill post some pics tomorrow.

IMO everyone has different taste for what they want. Personally I just wanted to replace the stock lights because the plastic looked cheap. I also liked the look of the 5 series with the stock angel eyes. So what I was going for was a suttle "classic" BMW look and not bright rings that would show up while driving around during the day.

Most of the posts I have seen out there want to make the rings super bright so they are seen all the time rather than at dusk or dawn like the original 5 series lights.

The inpros I felt were a good solution because of price but not only that. They are very close to the same light output of the 5 series and also I dont have to mess around with cutting my headlights and installing the angel eyes.

I felt that this looked like a PITA
Details on what you have to do to install DDE (http://www.apexcone.com/Lighting/DemonEyes/DemonEyes.html)

[scottycs]

Check out www.EurospeedPerformance.com (Whats new), we have pics of them there.

[IMAGE&STYLE]

Im in..... Check your mail buddy... :clap:

[Titanium Silver]

I don't know about the general consensus of the whole angel eye phase. Seems to me like a lit up liscense plate holder, or some cheesy ground effects. I'm not trying to clown on anyone, but first ask yourself if it is worth the trouble. I have seen quite a few ghetto-rigged installs and it just doesn't seem like the appropriate thing to do to a beautiful car. Whatever floats your boat. :) Alex

[99m3 steve]

hey alex what % tint do you have? it looks nice

[///M LIFE©]

let us know what u think PDX///M

[Kevin@KEST]

anyone wants a full inpro kit for $330 , please see the for sale section.