Staggered T-Stars

[E34nication]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7941335284&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT

found these... wish I had the money. I have been wanting staggered t-stars for a while. My max bid was 950... that would have been too good to turn down. just wanted to give you guys a heads up.

[Alan]

I think i shed a tear when I saw them. They are so beautiful. Perfect wheel.

I thought you had T-Stars already without the covers?

[InfernoM3]

I think i shed a tear when I saw them. They are so beautiful. Perfect wheel.

I thought you had T-Stars already without the covers?
Polished t-stars although they are not in as good condition. A little rash here and there. Anyone know wah I can use to clean and polish the polished lip.

[E34nication]

I think i shed a tear when I saw them. They are so beautiful. Perfect wheel.

I thought you had T-Stars already without the covers?


I do have the t-stars... but these are staggered and I really want the 17x9" rear. I am going to need that extra rubber back there down the road :evil2

[E34nication]

Polished t-stars although they are not in as good condition. A little rash here and there. Anyone know wah I can use to clean and polish the polished lip.


are you talking about yours or the ones on ebay?

[Eddy@ApexRaceParts]

the guy selling those on ebay posted them here on the forum too. he also has another set of uncovered wheels with a polished lip and a logo in the center. i know cause i was looking at them :P

classified ad (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290374)

[InfernoM3]

the guy selling those on ebay posted them here on the forum too. he also has another set of uncovered wheels with a polished lip and a logo in the center. i know cause i was looking at them :P

classified ad (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290374)

he lives in the OC. Picked up a set of euro m5 shadowline trim. Pretty nice guy.

[E34nication]

1800.... ouch

I wish I had the 1200 for the non re-finished staggered set w/o covers... grr

[Eddy@ApexRaceParts]

1800.... ouch

I wish I had the 1200 for the non re-finished staggered set w/o covers... grr


i can give you the email of a guy that can import possibly just the rear wheels if you want. his prices are about what you would expect from someone who imports parts. from what i can tell he sells his stuff on ebay mostly.

i talked to him about importing a set of original 18" staggered M parallels (everything he gets is used so the prices aren't too bad). he said it could be like 1400-1600 for them. and he can get throwing stars for about 1200-1400 (stargered even)

if he doesn't have it and you want him to get it. he said it can take up to a month or two.

[shragon]

those are nice! polished lips!

[E34nication]

i can give you the email of a guy that can import possibly just the rear wheels if you want. his prices are about what you would expect from someone who imports parts. from what i can tell he sells his stuff on ebay mostly.

i talked to him about importing a set of original 18" staggered M parallels (everything he gets is used so the prices aren't too bad). he said it could be like 1400-1600 for them. and he can get throwing stars for about 1200-1400 (stargered even)

if he doesn't have it and you want him to get it. he said it can take up to a month or two.

that would be great. pm me with it if you could.

[Mblaster]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7941335284&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT

found these... wish I had the money. I have been wanting staggered t-stars for a while. My max bid was 950... that would have been too good to turn down. just wanted to give you guys a heads up.
I wonder if my wife would notice... :confused

[Eddy@ApexRaceParts]

notice the credit card bill, or the wheels on the car?

[MaloventEvil]

naw blaster, just buy her some jewelery and i think she'll let it slip :D

[SyN]

with tires on the m's or w/o?

[Mblaster]

Deal pretty much done.
Those staggered T-Stars will be living on my beast soon :buttrock

[Eddy@ApexRaceParts]

sweet. how much did you get them for 1800? and did you get the ones with covers or the uncovered ones that still have the polished lip

:biglaughc

[E34nication]

Deal pretty much done.
Those staggered T-Stars will be living on my beast soon :buttrock


i am a jealous bastard.

[jimmyz2]

I wonder if my wife would notice... :confused
:lol ..Edit:congrat's Dan

[Mblaster]

i am a jealous bastard.
Know that they are going to a good home, and I would have let them slip buy w/out your thread. Turns out I know the guy too. He's cool. I got a good deal. He's bringing in a lot of wheels and other BMW stuff from Germany so keep you eyes on his web page. I think there's going to be a set of staggered 18 in. M parallels comming on his nxt shipment. Those will be sweet on someones car. :cool

[E34nication]

Know that they are going to a good home, and I would have let them slip buy w/out your thread. Turns out I know the guy too. He's cool. I got a good deal. He's bringing in a lot of wheels and other BMW stuff from Germany so keep you eyes on his web page. I think there's going to be a set of staggered 18 in. M parallels comming on his nxt shipment. Those will be sweet on someones car. :cool

hmm.... very interesting indeed. I will keep my eyes open. I really want the staggered t-stars but there are just too many other things that I need to do first.

and def. congrats on the purchase... you better get some pics up. gonna look sweet.

[Kris]

Deal pretty much done.
Those staggered T-Stars will be living on my beast soon :buttrock

Hey Den!
Did you get the ones with polished lips 8-9 ? :(

[Mblaster]

Hey Den!
Did you get the ones with polished lips 8-9 ? :(
Kris, Where you been?
Yea I got the staggered 8's and 9's :D

[Kris]

Kris, Where you been?
Yea I got the staggered 8's and 9's :D

Oh...you lucky bast....d!!! :) I want them :D

I've been here all the time

[Ted K]

I want to see some pictures with the new wheels.

[MaloventEvil]

does this mean the ACS Type 1's will be up for grabs? if they're free... im game ;)

[Mblaster]

They're part of the deal...sorry.

[MaloventEvil]

why do the staggered setup? why not just get 9" wide in all 4 corners?

[Mblaster]

Because that was the factory setup. And they will look awsome. :D

[MaloventEvil]

but i mean, are there any disadvantes to using 9's all around?

[Mblaster]

Shouldn't really be a prob but do you really want that much tire up front?
255's all the way around just doesn't seem right. I think Shragon has 245's all the way round. That seems right. Not sure what width he's using but prob 8 or 8.5. I gonna just get 2 new 255's for the back. I'm currently running 235's all the way round on 8.5in rims.

[Rob Levinson]

Make sure there's enough meat on that bone... 275/40-17 fits nicely on the 9":

http://www.robertlevinson.com/M5_Touring/wa/images2/tires_low_long2.jpg

- Rob

[Mblaster]

Ah Rob, What size do you suggest I put on the staggered t-stars?
Think I could go 245/45 front 275/40 rear w/out probs?
My car is nicely lowered...rubbing issues?

[jimmyz2]

Should look hot 'Old School Man'. :buttrock :D

[E34nication]

Ah Rob, What size do you suggest I put on the staggered t-stars?
Think I could go 245/45 front 275/40 rear w/out probs?
My car is nicely lowered...rubbing issues?

exactly.

[Alan]

I don't quite understand the staggered thing. E34s understeer like a bitch as it is. I know most of us have sway bars to defeat that, by staggering don't we kind of defeat the purpose of our sways? Really, is there any reason to stagger? I suppose some cars (M5s and FI 540s) need the extra tire to put the power down, but are there real advantages to running a staggered setup on most E34s?

[Mblaster]

I don't quite understand the staggered thing. E34s understeer like a bitch as it is. I know most of us have sway bars to defeat that, by staggering don't we kind of defeat the purpose of our sways? Really, is there any reason to stagger? I suppose some cars (M5s and FI 540s) need the extra tire to put the power down, but are there real advantages to running a staggered setup on most E34s?
My concern too as I "drive"my car frequently in the canyons.
Running sticky 235's all around the car is very predictable and easy to catch.
Though the Dinan suspension w/camber kit has dialed most of the understeer out. Currently the car is quite neutral w/ only a hint of push when entering corners imbalanced. The 245/275 setup will prob make the car a bit more twitchy so I'll need an auto-x or 2 to get the feel of the limit again. I think w/ that much sticky rubber on the back oversteer will be a little further out there but somewhat harder to control. Reason to stagger, well it sure will look cool :cool

[525iT_Feen]

So the type1's are gone Dan?

[Rob Levinson]

Ah Rob, What size do you suggest I put on the staggered t-stars?
Think I could go 245/45 front 275/40 rear w/out probs?
My car is nicely lowered...rubbing issues?

Those are the exact sizes you should use.

Normally, you will not have any problems... the only time you might have a slight issue is if your rear subframe is off-center. This is common and nothing to be worried about, but it may cause an inside fender rub if you are using a "thick" brand of tire (some brands are wider than others in a given size). A small 3mm spacer usually cures all of those problems.



I don't quite understand the staggered thing. E34s understeer like a bitch as it is. I know most of us have sway bars to defeat that, by staggering don't we kind of defeat the purpose of our sways? Really, is there any reason to stagger? I suppose some cars (M5s and FI 540s) need the extra tire to put the power down, but are there real advantages to running a staggered setup on most E34s?

When running a performance suspension in the E34, oversteer is more prevalent. You get understeer with a base E34 suspension and tall-sidewall tires simply due to the suspension and sidewalls flopping over. With a lowered car and swaybars around the M5 size (or better yet, the Nuburgring package on the Euro Touring), you can easily induce oversteer. For the larger-engined E34s, power-on oversteer is easy to produce and kicking the rear end out is easy. Even with the 275s in the rear, I have to use the power judiciously in an auto-x environment to avoid rotating the back end of the car around the front end. The larger rear tires help control this.

But for a much shorter answer, simply examine this concept: BMW fitted the staggered wheels to the later E34 M5s and 540s for a reason.

- Rob

[Rob Levinson]

but i mean, are there any disadvantes to using 9's all around?

Yes.

Too large of a tire will cause steering issues, particularly tramlining and wandering. I don't feel there is any benefit to running larger than a 245 in the front, and a 245 only needs 8" of wheel width.

I do know some people that use 255s all around on 9" rims which can be good for track use... but that's a situation where real-world road conditions are not a factor.

If you run a larger-width wheel with a narrower tire, you get that "Euro trash" look with the wheel edge sticking out past the tire. That deforms the tire and degrades performance. Really, there's nothing I can't stand more than that "look" where performance is degraded for cosmetics. For some reason, I see that more on cars in Europe, where you would think they know better!

- Rob

[MaloventEvil]

i dont understand how that look it cosmetically appealing. it looks fugly

[MaloventEvil]

Yes.

Too large of a tire will cause steering issues, particularly tramlining and wandering. I don't feel there is any benefit to running larger than a 245 in the front, and a 245 only needs 8" of wheel width.

I do know some people that use 255s all around on 9" rims which can be good for track use... but that's a situation where real-world road conditions are not a factor.

If you run a larger-width wheel with a narrower tire, you get that "Euro trash" look with the wheel edge sticking out past the tire. That deforms the tire and degrades performance. Really, there's nothing I can't stand more than that "look" where performance is degraded for cosmetics. For some reason, I see that more on cars in Europe, where you would think they know better!

- Rob
ot: rob i ordered my UUC kit, hopefully this fixes my sloppy shifter!

[Alan]

Those are the exact sizes you should use.

When running a performance suspension in the E34, oversteer is more prevalent. You get understeer with a base E34 suspension and tall-sidewall tires simply due to the suspension and sidewalls flopping over. With a lowered car and swaybars around the M5 size (or better yet, the Nuburgring package on the Euro Touring), you can easily induce oversteer. For the larger-engined E34s, power-on oversteer is easy to produce and kicking the rear end out is easy. Even with the 275s in the rear, I have to use the power judiciously in an auto-x environment to avoid rotating the back end of the car around the front end. The larger rear tires help control this.

But for a much shorter answer, simply examine this concept: BMW fitted the staggered wheels to the later E34 M5s and 540s for a reason.

- Rob

Power on oversteer...yeah I get that ALL the time with my 167 hp. :(

I really need to finish school so i can swap in that s50b30 ive wanted for so long.

[Mblaster]

So the type1's are gone Dan?
Sadly the ACS's will be going as part of the deal.
But it's for the greater good :devillook
If anyone want's my 235/45/17 MX's im gonna sell them cheap.
They only have around 2K miles on them.
I'm going to get some 245-275 MX's and see how the beast goes.
Thanks for the info Levinson.

[E34nication]

my car oversteers at will...

[InfernoM3]

Polished lip but not staggered. Do you guys think I should remove the covers and run it like that other guy was selling.

[Mblaster]

Naw...Leave the stars on :D

[E34nication]

Polished lip but not staggered. Do you guys think I should remove the covers and run it like that other guy was selling.

i think you should lower it.

[Kris]

Hey Dan,
Hurry up with pics. of your T-S :D

[Mblaster]

Prob. won't have them on the car till next week. Too busy w/ Christmas...