400rwhp coming soon...

[DakarDave]

The Car!
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The Man Behind The Power
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More pics and Info to coming to a website near you....

[///3oris]

Stop hosting on that stupid site that's blocked at my work... :( can't see pics :help

Boris

[highboostingm3]

The car has RMS all over it but is he holding a turbo in his hands? :confused Pics are nice but stop teasing, could you lay down the list of performance mods?

[Geno325is]

Is that Greg's vert?

[artemis]

The turbo I think is to my M3 which Paul e has posted dyno's to.

~440 rwhp and 470ftlbs.

[ICS Performance]

The car has RMS all over it but is he holding a turbo in his hands? :confused Pics are nice but stop teasing, could you lay down the list of performance mods?
That turbo flows 80 LBS per minute T3 flange serious power out flows gt40R.
Seriuos custom turbo. Greg is running RMS supercharger, I was holding the turbo @ the time and the picture were taken. He will be up and running, for Saturday (next week) for deliverey. Looking foward to seeing him again. :)

[highboostingm3]

That turbo flows 80 LBS per minute T3 flange serious power out flows gt40R.
Seriuos custom turbo. Greg is running RMS supercharger, I was holding the turbo @ the time and the picture were taken. He will be up and running, for Saturday (next week) for deliverey. Looking foward to seeing him again. :)


So there is the face to match the name! Cool! :eek 80lbs with a T3 flange? What turbo is that? Is it a sercret? Oh man I want it! That thing will take you past 700whp? Is it DBB?

[ICS Performance]

The turbo I think is to my M3 which Paul e has posted dyno's to.

~440 rwhp and 470ftlbs.
Thats actually on a dynomyte dyno, which 50 H.p can be added. and that was with no fan @ the dyno and running hot and choking on topp, 228-230 Degrees, due to the fact of a faulty fan clutch, now the car pulls hard to 7k no falling off, I would say minimum of 20WHP gain. Hot motor no fan, timing being pulled out = less power. Cooler motor no choking no power drop off = more power. I should have been a science major. that was on 14 psi, 7 psi made 369-371 whp. Which is way over 400 on a dynojet. :)

[ICS Performance]

So there is the face to match the name! Cool! :eek 80lbs with a T3 flange? What turbo is that? Is it a sercret? Oh man I want it! That thing will take you past 700whp? Is it DBB?750-800 horepower potential, Matt Duncan and I have the same turbo, I will test it soon and see what it does, if it works out the way I predict I will have them made in Ball bearing. :)

[PhEaR]

That is hotness. Can't wait to see some dynos of that when it is all set up and functioning.

[ICS Performance]

That is hotness. Can't wait to see some dynos of that when it is all set up and functioning.
Nice car.

[///3oris]

Thats actually on a dynomyte dyno, which 50 H.p can be added. and that was with no fan @ the dyno and running hot and choking on topp, 228-230 Degrees, due to the fact of a faulty fan clutch, now the car pulls hard to 7k no falling off, I would say minimum of 20WHP gain. Hot motor no fan, timing being pulled out = less power. Cooler motor no choking no power drop off = more power. I should have been a science major. that was on 14 psi, 7 psi made 369-371 whp. Which is way over 400 on a dynojet. :)

I guess we'll have to see that on a Dynojet, now won't we? :nono

Boris

[ICS Performance]

I guess we'll have to see that on a Dynojet, now won't we? :nono

Boris
Sweetheart ive been on enough dyno's to know, If you want I can run the boost on Jeremys car with a revision 2 chip and make lots more power, so you can see a higher #, only if you will pay for his rods when they bend from all the power that cars makes. They will bend from power and power only, not from a tuning issue. His car has all stock internals. :)

[highboostingm3]

Sweetheart ive been on enough dyno's to know, If you want I can run the boost on Jeremys car with a revision 2 chip and make lots more power, so you can see a higher #, only if you will pay for his rods when they bend from all the power that cars makes. They will bend from power and power only, not from a tuning issue. His car has all stock internals. :)

How do you make all these super powerful cars if you are always on the computer? :confused :lol

[///3oris]

Sweetheart ive been on enough dyno's to know, If you want I can run the boost on Jeremys car with a revision 2 chip and make lots more power, so you can see a higher #, only if you will pay for his rods when they bend from all the power that cars makes. They will bend from power and power only, not from a tuning issue. His car has all stock internals. :)

Then, sweetheart, you should build up his internals if he's making too much power! Why would you give a customer a car that's so poweful it will break? :stickoutt

I know you have lots of experience, but some numbers have no backing... we'll go to the Dyno (or we'll wait for your Dyno to be installed) and then we'll advertise numbers. Why talk about what will be, what could be, and what might be? Talk about what IS or what WAS!

That's all, honey buns ;)

Boris

[///3oris]

How do you make all these super powerful cars if you are always on the computer? :confused :lol

He sends them to mexico for the cheaper labor rates :rofl

Just kidding, Georgio :)

Boris

[ICS Performance]

Then, sweetheart, you should build up his internals if he's making too much power! Why would you give a customer a car that's so poweful it will break? :stickoutt

I know you have lots of experience, but some numbers have no backing... we'll go to the Dyno (or we'll wait for your Dyno to be installed) and then we'll advertise numbers. Why talk about what will be, what could be, and what might be? Talk about what IS or what WAS!

That's all, honey buns ;)

Boris
Stock internals will make 500whp, and thats a proven fact, thats why his car is making @ least 480-490 dynoget if you like I will get it to the dynojet, and send you the bill, to ease your thoughts. :)

[///3oris]

If you go to my Dynojet, and you make over 400rwhp @ 7psi... I'll glady pay the bill and buy you a lobster roll to boot.... :)

Boris

[ICS Performance]

If you go to my Dynojet, and you make over 400rwhp @ 7psi... I'll glady pay the bill and buy you a lobster roll to boot.... :)

Boris
Cool ill make the appointment next week and Paul will go with me, for proof. :)

[paul e]

>>and Paul will go with me, for proof<<

ok. but only if I get a lobster roll too.

[ICS Performance]

Cool ill make the appointment next week and Paul will go with me, for proof. :)
Boris remember 9.1 motor big efficient turbo, I will make reservations tonight, for next week, for us to enjoy a nice dinner, I like Surf and Turf, rare.

[///3oris]

Boris remember 9.1 motor big efficient turbo, I will make reservations tonight, for next week, for us to enjoy a nice dinner, I like Surf and Turf, rare.

Sounds great... http://www.bristoldyno.com

Boris

[paul e]

Folks. remember, I spoke with Bristol dyno yesterday. To refresh, hes got current computer and wideband issues.. The computer is about fixed, but the wideband needs more work.. IT shouldnt be too much longer though. I prefer to go once the wideband is fixed.. people always like to see the afr on the power plots, so why have to go twice, even if this IS just about power ... if the power is or isnt what is expected, i cant see how it will hurt to have the afr plotted along with, as a diagnostic tool. It shouldnt be long, and he will contact me as soonas its fixed.

[ICS Performance]

Sounds great... http://www.bristoldyno.com

Boris
Either Bristol or the one in Hackinsack N.J only because its closer, and I have a ton of crap next week to finish like Greg's car. Jeremys car will be here the week after next, so I will definetally get in done so you can see. And see the difference between the 2 dyno's. :)

[paul e]

gk.. do you know the name of hte one in hackensack? Ive been to a dyno in hackensac run by a pair of twin brothers that look just like Bon Jovi, called Kaztech Motorsport. That was the first dyno pull i ever made, and it was Right after you installed my 6" pulley and gauges. remember? Is that the one you are talking about??

[ICS Performance]

gk.. do you know the name of hte one in hackensack? Ive been to a dyno in hackensac run by a pair of twin brothers that look just like Bon Jovi, called Kaztech Motorsport. That was the first dyno pull i ever made, and it was Right after you installed my 6" pulley and gauges. remember? Is that the one you are talking about??
Actually I dont, My friend with the AEM works there, his name is Felix Medeina, they have a dynojet drive on. :)

[DakarDave]

In a couple of weeks.. george will have his own dynojet dyno... he's buying one for his performance shop!

So, those of us in the CT/NY/NJ area... he have a new dyno place to go to!

-Dave

[ICS Performance]

In a couple of weeks.. george will have his own dynojet dyno... he's buying one for his performance shop!

So, those of us in the CT/NY/NJ area... he have a new dyno place to go to!

-Dave Hey Dave remember my grey car on 10psi stge 1 gen, small intercooler, tiny baby, 3 inch turbo back exhaust, tiny weak turbo 20g made 393whp, 378torque, from what you have seen Jeremys car on only 7psi still pulls harder correct me if im wrong, youve been in both cars,. By the way the grey car 3.2 obd1 all stock motor completely stop, and 10.7-10.9 AFR, pig rich, sometimes it would blow the spark, because of that. :)

[DakarDave]

Hey Dave remember my grey car on 10psi stge 1 gen, small intercooler, tiny baby, 3 inch turbo back exhaust, tiny weak turbo 20g made 393whp, 378torque, from what you have seen Jeremys car on only 7psi still pulls harder correct me if im wrong, youve been in both cars,. By the way the grey car 3.2 obd1 all stock motor completely stop, and 10.7-10.9 AFR, pig rich, sometimes it would blow the spark, because of that. :)

Yup.. very true.... Jeremy's car @ 7psi pulls like a mofo... on high boost that baby is a monster....

-Dave

[M3TurboCa]

George back then when the car was so rich 10.7 to 10.9 did the car not feel sluggish on boost. Plus no crisp throttle response ??

I can feel the car lazy at a/f 11.8 compared to before 12.2-12.5. Im having Karl pull out some fuel.

[ICS Performance]

George back then when the car was so rich 10.7 to 10.9 did the car not feel sluggish on boost. Plus no crisp throttle response ??

I can feel the car lazy at a/f 11.8 compared to before 12.2-12.5. Im having Karl pull out some fuel.
If you pull out the fuel and get it around, 12.2-12.5 max it will wake up on topp.

[paul e]

I think the way a car pulls can be irrelevant because it can be very impressive simply by installing gears.. Spinning wheels can be very impressive, and throw you back into the seat hard. And if you can get it to hook up, it will improve acceleratoin times.. But, it would be very misleading to assume anything about trq or hp from it..

[ICS Performance]

[QUOTE=M3TurboCa]George back then when the car was so rich 10.7 to 10.9 did the car not feel sluggish on boost. Plus no crisp throttle response ??

I can feel the car lazy at a/f 11.8 compared to before 12.2-12.5. Im having Karl pull out some fuel.[/QUOTEActually 12.7-12.8 feels pretty good on topp over 6k rpm, just have to be careful. :)

[///3oris]

George... Bristol Dyno... I'm not drying all the way to NJ... I already stated it. I don't really care what people feel and what people think... get that car on the Dyno at Bristol Dyno and let the NUMBERS do the talking. People make many assumptions...

Boris

P.S. SAE Corrected, NO ICE, No juice, etc. Engine + 7psi boost ONLY (I will confirm the boost, too)

[DakarDave]

I have AFRs in the mid-11s low 12s.. up high.... and my car doesn't feel slugish....

:)

<img src="http://members.roadfly.org/dakardave/zt-2_afr.jpg"/>

[ICS Performance]

I think the way a car pulls can be irrelevant because it can be very impressive simply by installing gears.. Spinning wheels can be very impressive, and throw you back into the seat hard. And if you can get it to hook up, it will improve acceleratoin times.. But, it would be very misleading to assume anything about trq or hp from it..
Ive been around cars all my life, I drag race them I dont let the seat of the pants fool me. believe me, I know what im talking about, when it comes to power, remember, the speedo doesnt lie while your on your car and watching it climb ferociously. :)

[M3TurboCa]

I know I used to be there with my older setup on top 6000-7000rpm 12.2-12.6 I want it back there.

On cold night pulls hard 12.5-12.6 a/f :)

I can feel the difference Im at 11.8 now and Karl's pulling out fuel for me. Like it lean and mean :)

[DakarDave]

George... Bristol Dyno... I'm not drying all the way to NJ... I already stated it. I don't really care what people feel and what people think... get that car on the Dyno at Bristol Dyno and let the NUMBERS do the talking. People make many assumptions...

Boris

P.S. SAE Corrected, NO ICE, No juice, etc. Engine + 7psi boost ONLY (I will confirm the boost, too)

Boris - Actually for me, I care less about the #s and more about how the car feels.... because, afterall... we're humans... and humans love to "feel" things... ;)

Case in point.. would you rather go out with someone with perfect measurement or with someone that "feels" right (esp. at night with the lights out! ) :devillook

[paul e]

>>Ive been around cars all my life, I drag race them <<

All im trying to say is I drove daves car yesterday. It felt WAY fast. .Way faster than mine.. spinning tires into third. by the way it felt id think it made way more power than me.. It doesnt.

[///3oris]

Boris - Actually for me, I care less about the #s and more about how the car feels.... because, afterall... we're humans... and humans love to "feel" things... ;)

Case in point.. would you rather go out with someone with perfect measurement or with someone that "feels" right (esp. at night with the lights out! ) :devillook

What does this thread have to do with FEEL? Check the subject of the thread... check the claims that were made... since when is this about feel? If you claim certain numbers without measurement, then pull out the equipment and back it up.

Maybe I'm just different, but I like to make the numbers before I talk about them. I HOPE the M50 manifold makes me some power, but I don't even think about it until the Dyno backs it up.

Maybe I'm alone in feeling this way? :(

Boris

[DakarDave]

Boris - Let's look at a very common thing.... Web pages.. Most browsers, make a seperate http connection to download images... because images are usually larger in size than the actual html source page.

Most browsers will render a html page, without waiting for all the images to be "downloaded".... this makes web browsing appear to be quicker.... when in fact.. the page weight is the same.....

I bet most people want the perception of quickness.....

what I'm saying is hunan perseption is important and should not be discounted....

-Dave

[M3Armand]

Cool ill make the appointment next week and Paul will go with me, for proof. :)

Ooooo!!! Can I go, too? I'll buy the three of you a round or two?

[paul e]

>>I bet most people want the perception of quickness.....
<<

your car doesnt just have the perception of quickness. It IS quick..Im sure its quicker than mine, due to the gears, and to its lesser weight. But i drove it a couple wks ago. Man its not the same car.. so its about its new catless state also. I think what youre saying is youd rather have the lesser power, and the quicker feeling, and in all probability quicker running car, too. I can certainly appreciate that. I was thinking about the gears too. but i dont like how id have to shift to third prior to 60 mph, and, i do alot more highway driving than you, and the truth is, i dotn even like the fact that we dont have a sixth gear now. I miss it.. So doing gears like yours woudl just exaserbate it for me. Plus since i drive it all winter too it probably wouldnt be the best compromise for me.. but its ideal for you. different strokes, etc, etc.

[ICS Performance]

Ooooo!!! Can I go, too? I'll buy the three of you a round or two?
You are welcome anytime, you felt the power on those cars the other day, you even told me your motorcycle doesnt accelerate like that, :) you can ride down with me. you can come down any time you are always welcome.

[M3Armand]

[QUOTE=IMPORTEDCARS]...told me your motorcycle doesnt accelerate like that, :) ...QUOTE]

It IS...those 2 turbo M3's were WAY quicker than my Gixer 600 (Suzuki). But hey, I'm just a newbie trying to get information to spend some money on a SC (it's better for my application). Still, those turbo M3's were the fastest vehicles I've ever been in.

[ICS Performance]

[QUOTE=IMPORTEDCARS]...told me your motorcycle doesnt accelerate like that, :) ...QUOTE]

It IS...those 2 turbo M3's were WAY quicker than my Gixer 600 (Suzuki). But hey, I'm just a newbie trying to get information to spend some money on a SC (it's better for my application). Still, those turbo M3's were the fastest vehicles I've ever been in.
Thank you. A very knowledgable man you are. :)

[Drifto]

Boris - Actually for me, I care less about the #s and more about how the car feels.... because, afterall... we're humans... and humans love to "feel" things... ;)

Case in point.. would you rather go out with someone with perfect measurement or with someone that "feels" right (esp. at night with the lights out! ) :devillook

Does this mean your into big girls ;)

[highboostingm3]

Case in point.. would you rather go out with someone with perfect measurement or with someone that "feels" right (esp. at night with the lights out! ) :devillook
To me someone with perfect measurement would feel perfect! If I could get turned on by a gross fatty then life would be a lot easier now wouldn't it? ;)

[guc32]

Wow, so much power that is so impressive. May i ask what kind of tuning is this? AA software with Unichip piggyback?

[ICS Performance]

Wow, so much power that is so impressive. May i ask what kind of tuning is this? AA software with Unichip piggyback?
That one was with AA remote tuning, from Karl @ AA, he and I work on it together, data logging back and forth. There was no need for a Unichip for this application since it was on stock internals, with the kind of power it is making. :)

[InterSpool]

There was no need for a Unichip for this application since it was on stock internals, with the kind of power it is making. :)
Ouch, burn :cool

[DakarDave]

But i drove it a couple wks ago. Man its not the same car.. so its about its new catless state also.

I think the quickness has more to do with the very very restrictive exhaust [george and marco can back this up.. they had the car on the lift and was :eek at the small, restrictive system] that came with the 2.8. It was simply not designed to be free flowing.. rather it was designed to be quiet...

The 2.8 exhaust was so restrictive.. you could hear it.. it was like sucking air through a straw.. it was that restrictive... The M exhaust system are much more free flowing.. so the difference in power may be more subtle...

I bet even with the cat back on, with the AA pipes from the cat back... I would be making a huge power increase.. that crappy dinan exhust only consisted of the muffler.. it wasn't a cat back system... should have gotten a supersprint!

-Dave

[CRISTIAN]

I definitely approve the "feel in the pants" test but felt by race professors. Everybody wants to build a car for a definite street performance and speed time, not for some whp numbers. If Dave's car is a lighter Z3 and has also a very short diff then with good drive skills and 350whp he can overpass E36M3 with 400whp on the street... is very true... But of course the "feel in the pants" can be very confusing if you are not a racer... very short differentials create this confuse feeling and if you badly loose traction and change 5 gears for 125mile/h instead of 4 gears... the difference between real power on the street and the "feel in the pants" can be really big.

[rukman]

Either Bristol or the one in Hackinsack N.J only because its closer, and I have a ton of crap next week to finish like Greg's car. Jeremys car will be here the week after next, so I will definetally get in done so you can see. And see the difference between the 2 dyno's. :)

George...

which shop in Hackensack? I want to get my car dynoed before i "boost" it :)

Rukman

[stimpee]

Rukman,

If you are willing to drive down to DE, I may have an option for you to get a baseline dyno in the coming month or 2...

Steve

[rukman]

Rukman,

If you are willing to drive down to DE, I may have an option for you to get a baseline dyno in the coming month or 2...

Steve

check your email steve...

Rukman